Edited by - skronker on 8/6/2004 2:52:41 PM

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I was hoping after BellaDonna that we had heard the last of this type of stuff, but I guess it still continues.

What's sad is these guys feel they have to do that. If they do a hot scene it doesn't have to have Anal. Anal, Interracial, &/or rough stuff don't have to be in every scene/film for it to be good.

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Unfortunately, that is far easier said than done. The fact is that she should have never been put in this position.

On a larger scale, why does stuff like this still happen in porn? There are some fucking lecherous human beings at work there that go unchecked and remain in positions of too much power. How many girls have to have the same bad experiences with the same people before something gets done.

It is sickening to think about.

It shall be interesting to see if there is any kind of response and what the other side of the story might possibly be.

Kelly

Edited by - tscfan317 on 8/6/2004 4:32:39 PM

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Although I do think that if we are to seek out porn producers who at some point of their career "convinced" a girl to do something she didn't really want to do or enjoyed doing (by using charm, sweet or not so sweet talk, paycheck), we could nail nearly all of them for "rape", starting with Max Hardcore.

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Let's imagine that, in a near future, Corina declares that everything's forgotten and forgiven : would YOU forget and forgive ?

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This is not the first time Voyeur was accused of such shady dealings.

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Well it seems I got in on this one late, but regardless, I have no reason to believe either side really. But at the same time the idea of being "raped" is disgusting. Although I haven’t seen the scene/movie (but will shortly now), the link that jamesboston provided us with sounds like Erik's side. Is there a chance BOTH sides are not telling the full truth? Yes. Is it possible BOTH sides could be lying? Yes...

So regardless, it boils down to the people who were in the scene and I know some people here don't like that fact , but there is 2 sides to EVERY story and there is typically a spin on it in favor of the person telling the story...

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This past April, a thread about Corina Taylor was started at www.sternfannetwork.com after her appearance on the show, more than one actually. She took a fair amount of abuse from Stern fans actually. She sometimes can rub people the wrong way. Corina posted:
http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=390766#post390766
"very esp.... when you go on a shoot for a bunch of assholes and they force you into things you are not supposed to be doing and then they blackmail you...a girl just got gangbang raped by the same company who raped me up the ass when i did not even do anal sex.........so it is a lot harder than any of you people think...alll you hear or see is the glamour side ........ive also gone to the doctor with my throat bleeding from getting throat banged to the point it ripped a hole in the back of my throat but you know what b/c im not a fucking crybaby i finished the scene with a puddle of blood coming out of my throat in the floor in front of me then i went to the doctor............so yes it is a very hard business.....i know a girl who got ass raped and she had blood running down to her fucking ankles but this is the shit no one ever hears about ............only about the money and the movies not what really can happen."

Was she "raped?" Strong word. Was she taken advantage of or put in a position where she felt she couldn't say no? That's not so hard to believe.

What I don't like is having my intelligence insulted. These chicks get jackhammered anally or violently throat fucked and we are supposed to believe they don't get injured or aren't stoned, they all are just REALLY into it. If some of this stuff was actually acknowledged than there would be people with great reputations and people with shady reputations and the people with great reputations wouldn't have to work so hard to defend themselves. Just my $.02.

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Corina seems to be up front and frank about how she feels and isn't afraid to share her "true" feelings.

Howard Stern himself should know this more than anybody else.

No wonder most people hide stuff in the closet because they don't want to be subjected to the abuse that so many narrow minded people have.

Is Corina the first step daughter to walk around naked in front of her father? No. But her saying that she was surprised that it would arouse her step dad sexually to see that is probably what rubbed people the wrong way.

Same as this anal rape accusation. In Corina's mind she probably felt she got anally raped on film. But when the raw footage surfaces(if it ever does) it will probably show that Corina got anally raped figurately speaking (i.e. being talked into anal when she wasn't comfortable with it).

Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/6/2004 11:45:53 PM

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It's the same old story.

I am not inclined to fully believe Erik or Corina on this matter. However, I think it is probably a good idea that Erik put up all the footage and let it speak for itself. I pretty much agree with Mutt on this: "I do believe Corinna believes what happened did happen to her-but Eric's tape could tell a different story."

As for the Vince Vouyer bashing, it's really a case of where there's smoke there must be fire. You see a trend and think there's something to it. "Such and such suspect has a history of...." You know. That kind of thing. To be honest, it would seem that there often is truth to that logic.

You stick around long enough and you read and hear some horrible stories about porn, girls having bad experiences, sleazy agents, Max Hardcore quasi-raping another girl, etc. It's harder and harder to decipher rumors from fact sometimes.

Kelly

Edited by - tscfan317 on 8/7/2004 1:35:33 AM

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If what you say is true and and have the video to prove it, then I owe you my most humble apology and shame on Corina for not only lying but for giving the porn community and women victims a bad rap. If however her story adds up then maybe this is her way of getting justice.

Erik you seem like a stand up, honest person. Women seem to want to work with you for a reason and I was surprised your name was even mentioned. Voyeur...on the other hand...

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The funny thing is if it was Max Hardcore who was being accussed then everybody would be all over him but because people seem to like Everhard and Voyeur here people look the other way. Sad but true.

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I've seen the scene in question. Looks like
Corina had lots of fun with Erik on that day.

Seemed like your ordinary vag & anal scene.

Pretty good sex scene in my opinion. She
did agree to it prior & got paid good for
the anal sex.

Ramsey, check out this scene in Cum Drippers 6
DVD before accusing people of rape!

Oops that's right you hate everything about
Erik Everhard & Red Light District.

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i dont know, maybe i just dont have enough experience, i do know there are some assholes out there that really dont know what the words no or stop mean, and that is a bit scary..i do hope that wasnt the case here

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if she was happy to negotiaite a price to do anal, then how can she use the word 'rape'? she was there to have sex on camera after all...

as soon as that nasty r word comes up then the accused is instantly on the back foot struggling to defend themselves. it sounds to me like, at worst, she 'reluctantly agreed' - she could always have flat-out 'refused' to do it, rather than just re-negotiate her fee there and then.

what she says in that interview says it all to me 'i should have have that boxcover and it should have said corina taylor's first anal' - so it's spoiled her plans of being a boxfront star while losing her anal virginity and all that comes with it...

the situation on set sounds awkward, but i think she probably just feels ripped off more than anything else.

that's my take on it for now anyway, given the info at my disposal, i haven't seen the scene yet.

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So what I am going to do is put this footage on the internet on late monday or tuesday so all you bleeding hearts out there can see & hear for yourself what really happened!

One last note on the subject! I was forwarned on the behavior of corrina taylor about her being crazy and a story teller , this information came by way of her last agent who is very well known throughout the adult industry!
This is why I videotaped the whole day! I hope that all you bleeding hearts that have been dragging my name thru the mud have actually watched the dvd!

Yur Pal

Uncle vinny

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There's a thread on XXXPT about Lain Oui's shoot for Max (Max Faktor 10 ). That happened because of a bad agent, and I suspect an agent who got some money under the table for finding a girl unfamiliar with the business.

There is no handbook for how new girls can avoid problems. That's why I try to tell every new girl to try to have a chat with someone like Tricia Deveraux or Gen Padova. Lain got things straightened out after renting a room from Gen; Gen got her to A.S.S. as an agent so that's fixed now but who will rescue the next newcomer?

As to this particular incident who knows? A good agent might help by knowing what directors are prone to asking for extras on the set, and knowing whether the girl needs
coaching on asking for more pay or on how to give a firm decision-is-final No. I have no idea if this is one of those he's-hoping-to-hear-yes and she's-worried-a-flat-no-is-bad situations.

Note: In the second adultFYI article "Jamie Ralph Gardener" counters the complaint by citing dialog from the final edited scene. This is totally worthless, not worthy of printing: you can't tell anything from edited footage.

PS. The scum agent who sent Lain to Max was Thomas Hope from XTC Models.

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EDIT: the comment I heard was something along the lines of "I wouldn't believe anything Corina said, if I were you," or "I wouldn't take anything Corina says seriously, if I were you." It was not suggested that she was "crazy."

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No may mean No but it's not always that clear-cut. Yes might not mean Yes.

One problem in Lain's shoot came when Max pissed on her. She was really upset and Max's rebuttal was "But I showed you the pictures!" I think she assumed they were just posing right up to the instant Max starting pissing.

Well, Max probably did show her some pictures ahead of time which Lain had no problem with. But I don't think it ever occurred to Lain that Max didn't plan to fake it - indeed the camera angles made it pointless to not fake it.

So does Yes mean Yes? Max told her what the plan was, showed her pictures, and she agreed. But what she thought she agree to was a scene depicting pissing and it didn't even occur to her that he wanted to do it for real. She assumed he's use a little tube to squirt water etc, which is indeed how it's often done.

I think everyone here would absolve Lain and blame her "agent" and Max for the whole thing: Yes didn't mean Yes. Even if the "agent" wasn't working for Max, Max knows this is Lain's first shoot and didn't take care to make sure there was no misunderstanding (Max was counting on that misunderstanding for all I know).

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-If you look at the adultfyi article she says EE started fingering her ass at which point she says she doesn't do anal. In this thread, EE says he played with he ass. So I have to ask is it accepted that even if a girl is not contracted to do ass play that it might happen anyway? If not, isn't this at the very least an overstep?

-Like Tricia said, how do you renegotiate in the middle of the scene? That would be like someone going to a basketball player in the middle of the game and offering him more money if he scored 50 points that night.

-A lot is being made about the box cover. Again read the adultfyi article, she says publicity was promised.

-VV said he was told that Taylor was crazy so he had cameras running off scene. Why would you renegotiate with someone who was "crazy" directly and not her agent?

I'm just a nobody poster and no one owes me any explanations. I don't believe she was forcibly raped but it sure sounds like something shady went down.

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Every little parochial explorer of adventurous sexuality knows about such fundamentals, but people doing it as business do not have a clue about fundamentals of risky sex?

Talk about a professor in mathematics who is unable to solve the difficult equation "1+1=".

No, I will not start a rant again.

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TL is the man who brought Teagan into the business. I have photos of her TL emailed me early in December, i didn't realize until months later when i looked at the pics again that it was Teagan.

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