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A 19 year old kid getting cornholed by Max Hardcore for $300 so she can pay her rent isn't exactly free will. And how many times does she really know what she's in for, but is too intimidated to back out? Huh?
Jagerclown--are you a judge? Tapes can get edited, maybe you've forgotten, but this is a company started by a convict, funded by his brother's offshore casino money, and now run by another convicted criminal in vince. Why do you have such faith in this group? I certainly wouldn't let my daughter near people whose art might be the same as their lives.
malone; how appropriate that your first reply is to this thread. you're obviously just a 'casual' porno fan who's happened to stumble apon ADT for sure. we at RLD, as well as our counterparts/contemporaries in adult, ALL have to adhere to strict guidelines in order to continue producing even the most basic pornography. even the source tapes are subject to 2257, so if you think that the editing process is a failsafe, then think again. but then you already sound like a pretty learned guy in the scheme of adult entertainment w/your verbatim bio of the RLD big wigs. criticism is one thing, and bias another, but blatant accusations (of this magnatude) are totally unacceptible, especially in a public forum. people need to start 'moderating' around here. lates, Von S.
p.s.; now in the event I get hammered for sticking up for those around me, so be it. goodnight and godbless, V.S.
Well, what's baseless about those statements? I never claimed anyone was guilty, just not above suspicion, and the one thing I wasn't sure of I said it was alleged. The rest are true, correct?
Malone.It seems as though you need to check yourself fella. You seem to be going way left field,and out of the way with your efforts to put peoples Bio on display in a Public forum.Whether it is facts does not prove your point.There is a way to state your suspecion on this topic without making it so blatentley Personal.Did'nt Mommy teach you cader and suttleness? I know Daddy taught you about thin Ice.So stop walking on it.There are personal facts about people I dont like all over this damn thread;but there is a thing called class.It is obvious you are very new to this forum;and it shows.
Hi This is Corina...First of all, I would like to thank everyone on here who is supporting me on this issue...I am taking a lie detector test and I will be posting those results...I know exactly what happened...what was discussed and how everything went down....I have no problem sitting here saying I will post the results of the given test because I know it will prove I am telling the truth...whether I was in pain during the incident does not have anything to with what took place...it has to do with being taken advantage of and lied to on top of that...and if Vince would like to show his enitre tape ...ALL OF IT ...I will also gladly post the check I was given which was a good 300.00 less than what I was promised after being thrown into a fucking anal..which I had never done in the first fucking place ...ever...I was all around screwed..I also think his friendship with my former agant may have had something to do with the incident...The first time I said NO to the anal should have been enough not 10 times later...promises later...and " the cock is already in your ass" later...thank you very much...COR
...and as far as crazy goes...I guess b/c I had a nervous breakdown b/c I have feelings and have been through so much shit ...that constitues me as being crazy...oh and b/c I am not a druggie and I tell the truth..guess that makes me a complete fucking wacko..cor
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Posted - Aug 9 2004 : 4:54AM
All this "he said - she said" talk is pointless. No one will EVER know who's telling the truth. NOT EVER. Vince could post a video, Corina could take a lie detector test. Neither matters. Videos can be edited. Lie detectors can be fudged. And who's going to be the impartial jury? You? Me? Fuckin' Luke Ford?
Porn is filled with wacky people on both sides of the camera. I don't know Vince and I don't know Corina. But I do know a guy who did time in jail for date rape, and I used to know a girl who lied about being raped. So I know either one of these situations is completely feasible.
If Corina was raped, and I mean REALLY raped, not coerced, she should file charges, plain and simple. Rape is rape, whether it's in the smut trade or at a banker's x-mas party. The laws the law. And I would think seeking justice and real restitution would be more important than bitching to Gene Ross and picking up her "short" paycheck from one of the men responsible for the rape.
Before this gets locked, I understand the people standing up for their friends when malone wrote what he did, especially when neither are being accused of rape. That said, according to what I knew in one case and can find in the others, he was accurate about their pasts, which is probably the first time hearing of it for most here. being so defensive does make you guys look like you're hiding something, and not artfully. obviously people's pasts aren't a prediction of their current reality, but i'd say the "stand up guy" angle is pretty much organizationally discredited by now.
diamond, the majority of rape victims never get near a courtroom, would you want to go as a girl that age? realistically, sex workers claiming rape with a considerable delay and accepting payment is an uphill battle in court, but the fact is she may have been raped and it's kinda sad in a forum supposedly full of fans of the girls, it's just either about how vince always sucked or vince is my friend, with only a few posts about the girl. she feels she was raped, i'll join a few others who earlier wished her well.
The most important thing to remember is the fact there have been many girls who said they have been abused by Vince Voyeur, not to mention the fact that it also has been recorded on tape so it's pretty easy who to give the benefit of the doubt. Even Bisexual Britni said he made her do things she didn't want to do and here's a girl who has done the most hardcore things.
I hope the casting agents warn their girls when they go to work for him otherwise their will be more victims.
I just saw the video. Rape is really a bad term to use for what happened as it cheapens the plight of women who have truly been forced to perform sex against their will. Corina may have been tricked or coerced or lied to but that's a whole different situation.
I agree with you there's nothing that dramatically proves this, but most rape doesn't start after penetration either.
Anyhow, your logic sucks, not every rape is at knifepoint in an alley--you're probably insulting to every victim of date or aquaintance rape, but I won't speak for them with the certainty you seem to muster.
Well lets ask Eric Everhard .Why in the middle of a scene do you try for more than the girl is there for? That IS putting the girl on the spot isnt it? Or is that standard procedure .
A person doesn't need to be delusional to believe a version of an event that may not be exactly what happened. If someone truly believes that they were raped, then they will pass a lie detector test whether they were raped or not.
As usual, Tricia hit the nail on the head with this one. Renegotiating the contents of a scene on the set is just a bad idea. These girls have agents for a reason.
If this girl was "RAPED" as she claims;how come she did'nt go to the Police right after it happened? Forget the fact that she did not want to be blackballed or difficult as she say's. There is a thing called self Accountability and being responsible for your own actions.The bottom line is she let this happen;and played up to the Camera with Glee.That does not sound like rape to me. Now are you trying to tell me that our hearts should bleed over this nobody who is on the outs in the business;and still has an Axe to grind.This is her last 15 minutes of fame!This Thread!I think if she got that Cover;this issue would'nt be of importance to this girl.
Why don't girls who've been raped always run straight to the police ? Fear of not being believed , shame ( believe it or not ) , complete shut down of all mental processes , numbness , fear of reprisals , fear of what everyone will think , etc . There are probably a ton more reasons and you're a smart fella so I'll let you work them out , TL .
As for this particular case ? Well , it looks a lot more like coercion than rape . But that's judging before all the facts are in .
There have been times when I was attempting anal sex with girls, and even though they had agreed to it or even asked for it in the first place, when they tell me to stop or to go slow, I stop or I go slow. If someone is not ready for it, particularly if they're not very experienced, it can be quite painful and possibly even do some damage. Didn't Amee Donavan retire because of the rectal damage from a DAP? Even if a girl has agreed to perform a certain act and even if she's getting paid for it, there still needs to be communication between the participants so that the act is as painless as possible. Sometimes people aren't aware of what they're limits are until they try something out.
Lee O,Iam in complete agreeance of your statement.There are alot of reasons why a girl would not cry Rape right away;often because of the reasons you elaborated on.I feel sorry for the girls that are actually raped;and are so paralized by it;they cant report it right away.But we all know as youve said;this is more of a cohersion situation;which she obviously agreed to go along with.I think this young girl is cheapining the word Rape and the true magnitude of it;by even associating her plight with RAPE.This is a very strong word,and I think there are many girls who have been really raped would be offended by her using that word for this situation.
Tapes can be edited, but we would KNOW if they are edited. So, if Vince shows the whole tape we can all be the judge. If he shows bits & pieces, then speculate all you want.
Manipulated to do something that she really did'nt want to do;but went ahead and took one for the team in hopes she would land the covinent Box Cover.This is the catagory this belongs in.Again;this is not Rape.If Everhard was shoving his Cock up her Ass;and she screamed NO!! And she proceeded to push him off;and he continued to man handle her;that is Rape.Price Negotiations and false promises not being fulfilled is what this actually is. She just wanted that Box Cover;so she could show her friends in Arkansas a Trophy!To say;see!"I went to L.A. and did something with myself and became a whore"."I even made Box Cover"!It did not go right;now shes crying.Why doesnt anybody ask;Why did she play up to the Camera and complete the scene? Why did she negotiate price? If she was really RAPED;she would not even mention not being on the Box Cover.If she was raped;I doubt if she would even want to be associated with that release;and shed be in Court.Face it;this sounds like a scorned Gold Digger to me.
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Chino, come on man. We're talking about Corina Taylor here... And the porn industry. How is she really going to prove she even took a test, let alone beat one. Maybe if she went on Stern than it would be an unbiased situation. But I doubt she'll do that, and here's why. Lets say she is telling the truth. If she's nervous, had a bad morning, or even if her stomachs upset from a bad breakfast burrito, all those things can determine the outcome of a test. And even if she's telling the truth, it could come out as being "deceptive". That test generally doesn't flat out tell if someones lying, only if they're being "deceptive". So do you think she would risk being exposed as a liar of rape on Howard Stern with millions of people listening? Very doubtful.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Since this will not happen, what do you think she's going to do? Get everyone from ADT in a room while she takes the test? Put it up on a website? Have Gene Ross there? That guy seems to have about as much ethics as used car sales men affiliated with the mob.
And I'm not harping on Corina. She may very well be a victim here. And if she is, she has my deepest condolences. But someone stated earlier something to the effect that she has to take responsibilty for what happened. That includes not seeking down your paycheck for the alleged rape, not hinting about it on Stern, not talking to Gene Ross about it and not complaining in the same breath about loosing a box cover to Superstar Teagan.
Where is the unedited video. I wanna see how it went down before I comment. I seriously don't know where it is so can someone tell me and I thought he [Vince] was posting it.
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Be patient ogulame,
Editing takes a little time. Once it's all fixed up and in the proper order Vince will post it.
what editing?, if vince asks corina if she wants to do anal and she says yes, what more do you need?(anyways i still believe that the boxcover thing is the key in this case)
I disagree and agree with those who seek not to broaden rape from forced intercourse to any penetration where the girl might have rather been doing something else (shopping most often)
I can tell you if any man tried to rape me the line of argument that he'd already got his cock half in my ass so he may as well continue would not sway my thinking in the way stated in this article. I can tell you if I was being raped I'd either give a damned good kicking or I'd happily take one and the idea that you can allow someone to fuck you so as not to disappoint them and then suggest that this somehow constitutes rape does not sit well with me. I always thought rape was a really bad crime but if this really is rape then clearly I was wrong and in fact rape can be a much more minor offence (morally speaking).
To my mind the actions described quite accurately mimic the kinds of things you could read in the sex talk forum or in numerous agony aunt columns where guys attempt to seduce their partners into anal sex through somewhat devious means including 'accidentally' slipping it in the 'wrong hole'. The difference here, and what needs to be appreciated, is that these girls are not in the equal environment of a one-on-one private encounter but with maybe several male stars a male director and male crew and this must be quite intimidating at times, especially if the atmosphere is slightly uncomfy. From the similar threads I've read about VV before I get the feeling that he is not so much a nasty bloke but rather someone who, like many bosses, pushes to get a bit extra out of his charges but perhaps fails to realise that the environment they work in is a very unequal one and that some of the girls may feel somewhat outside the loop and pressured into 'going with the flow' even if, were they mentally stronger or even physically so with the confidence that brings, they would really rather not.
i believe the scene in question is from Cum Drippers 6. if so, it is hard to believe Corina was raped, judging by the scene. i know video can be editted so what you see isnt always what you get....BUT she clearly asks him to stick it in her butt even tho she says she hasnt really done that before....and at the end she is screaming "cum in my ass, cum in my 19 year old ass".
Don't know what to say. It's like any other rape case, you have to be on the jury before you get a good idea of what happened, and even then you don't reeeeely know. The "cum in my ass!" performance could have been a post-intimidation thing. Porn players and NBA players have this sexual assault habit in common, it seems. They're "playing" so much they forget the other person is occasionally saying no?
Frankly it makes me just feel sad and angry to see people displaying such disgusting attitudes, and it throws shadows on all fair dealing, confident people working in the biz.
No means no, no matter what. there is no need for any other 'safeword'. Corina said NO before the scene started and that should be clear enough!
it has been said before but ill repeat it for those slow in the mind: talking people into things they didnt agreed to before the shot started and making discussions about payment during a running scene is unprofessional and leaves more than just a sad aftertaste. while most of the time everything turns out well there is always a chance this mistaken behaviour comes back to you like a boomerang one day and you get into deep poo like that. if you try to take an asshole by surprise or pressure girls mentally on set to do so you give a perfect example of a company talents should avoid in future.
corina taylor stated she felt under pressure and taken by surprise, this situation is causal due to the unexpected treatment she got. it doesnt even matter if she approved later under pressure - with no time to think and the fear to fail - to give it a try. the attitudes she was confronted with are plain wrong and they show the industry in a bad light. dont even try to defend this philosophy of people needing to be pushed beyond their limits, it makes things only worse and companies may loose the last bits of credibility and trustfulness left.
only the talent is allowed to change any arranged rules at any time by the free will to try something new or just by feeling uncomfortable and most important only if she comes up with it. durring the shot it is a big no no for anyone in the team to question these rules and to try to bring round or sweet-talk the talent into anything.
sometimes things may go unintentional wrong on a set, than it shows who has the guts to apologize for an error intead of parting in anger. the more both sides argue against each other in public, the more they loose, both of them. normally i would recommend to speak out yourselfs somewhere in private, preferably in a friendly atmosphere. dont think you were the first that had to. but if i have to read things like talents getting threatened by directors or agents i get really furious.
yeah guess what, that includes agents. most agents are useful for starters and as better ansafones on holiday vacations only, once you made yourself a name youre better off dumping them, especially those that give a fuck about you anyway. besides that the only deal id do with an agent/agency today is getting money from them for the pure fact of being listed as a reference of the agency.
it has been said before but ill repeat it for those slow in the mind: talking people into things they didnt agreed to before the shot started and making discussions about payment during a running scene is unprofessional and leaves more than just a sad aftertaste. while most of the time everything turns out well there is always a chance this mistaken behaviour comes back to you like a boomerang one day and you get into deep poo like that. if you try to take an asshole by surprise or pressure girls mentally on set to do so you give a perfect example of a company talents should avoid in future.
corina taylor stated she felt under pressure and taken by surprise, this situation is causal due to the unexpected treatment she got. it doesnt even matter if she approved later under pressure - with no time to think and the fear to fail - to give it a try. the attitudes she was confronted with are plain wrong and they show the industry in a bad light. dont even try to defend this philosophy of people needing to be pushed beyond their limits, it makes things only worse and companies may loose the last bits of credibility and trustfulness left.
only the talent is allowed to change any arranged rules at any time by the free will to try something new or just by feeling uncomfortable and most important only if she comes up with it. durring the shot it is a big no no for anyone in the team to question these rules and to try to bring round or sweet-talk the talent into anything.
sometimes things may go unintentional wrong on a set, than it shows who has the guts to apologize for an error intead of parting in anger. the more both sides argue against each other in public, the more they loose, both of them. normally i would recommend to speak out yourselfs somewhere in private, preferably in a friendly atmosphere. dont think you were the first that had to. but if i have to read things like talents getting threatened by directors or agents i get really furious.
yeah guess what, that includes agents. most agents are useful for starters and as better ansafones on holiday vacations only, once you made yourself a name youre better off dumping them, especially those that give a fuck about you anyway. besides that the only deal id do with an agent/agency today is getting money from them for the pure fact of being listed as a reference of the agency.
it has been said before but ill repeat it for those slow in the mind: talking people into things they didnt agreed to before the shot started and making discussions about payment during a running scene is unprofessional and leaves more than just a sad aftertaste. while most of the time everything turns out well there is always a chance this mistaken behaviour comes back to you like a boomerang one day and you get into deep poo like that. if you try to take an asshole by surprise or pressure girls mentally on set to do so you give a perfect example of a company talents should avoid in future.
corina taylor stated she felt under pressure and taken by surprise, this situation is causal due to the unexpected treatment she got. it doesnt even matter if she approved later under pressure - with no time to think and the fear to fail - to give it a try. the attitudes she was confronted with are plain wrong and they show the industry in a bad light. dont even try to defend this philosophy of people needing to be pushed beyond their limits, it makes things only worse and companies may loose the last bits of credibility and trustfulness left.
only the talent is allowed to change any arranged rules at any time by the free will to try something new or just by feeling uncomfortable and most important only if she comes up with it. durring the shot it is a big no no for anyone in the team to question these rules and to try to bring round or sweet-talk the talent into anything.
sometimes things may go unintentional wrong on a set, than it shows who has the guts to apologize for an error intead of parting in anger. the more both sides argue against each other in public, the more they loose, both of them. normally i would recommend to speak out yourselfs somewhere in private, preferably in a friendly atmosphere. dont think you were the first that had to. but if i have to read things like talents getting threatened by directors or agents i get really furious.
yeah guess what, that includes agents. most agents are useful for starters and as better ansafones on holiday vacations only, once you made yourself a name youre better off dumping them, especially those that give a fuck about you anyway. besides that the only deal id do with an agent/agency today is getting money from them for the pure fact of being listed as a reference of the agency.
it has been said before but i'll repeat it for those slow in the mind: talking people into things they didnt agreed to before the shot started and making discussions about payment during a running scene is unprofessional and leaves more than just a sad aftertaste. while most of the time everything turns out well there is always a chance this mistaken behaviour comes back to you like a boomerang one day and you get into deep poo like that. if you try to take an asshole by surprise or pressure girls mentally on set to do so you give a perfect example of a company talents should avoid in future.
corina taylor stated she felt under pressure and taken by surprise, this situation is causal due to the unexpected treatment she got. it doesnt even matter if she approved later under pressure - with no time to think and the fear to fail - to give it a try. the attitudes she was confronted with are plain wrong and they show the industry in a bad light. don't even try to defend this philosophy of people needing to be pushed beyond their limits, it makes things only worse and companies may loose the last bits of credibility and trustfulness left.
only the talent is allowed to change any arranged rules at any time by the free will to try something new or just by feeling uncomfortable and most important only if she comes up with it. durring the shot it is a big no no for anyone in the team to question these rules and to try to bring round or sweet-talk the talent into anything.
sometimes things may go unintentional wrong on a set, than it shows who has the guts to apologize for an error intead of parting in anger. the more both sides argue against each other in public, the more they loose, both of them. normally i would recommend to speak out yourselfs somewhere in private, preferably in a friendly atmosphere. don't think you were the first that had to. but if i have to read things like talents getting threatened by directors or agents i get really furious.
yeah guess what, that includes agents. most agents are useful for starters and as better ansafones on holiday vacations only, once you made yourself a name you're better off dumping them, especially those that give a fuck about you anyway. besides that the only deal i'd do with an agent/agency today is getting money from them for the pure fact of being listed as a reference of the agency.
Im going right into my closet;and pulling out my violen from my 6th grade band camp.Whooos me for these bleeding hearts for this girl."Pay me more Money,just dont tell my Agent" is what this girl obviously proposed.Nobody in this thread or forum said this but the girl that is crying RAPE. The true rape in all of this is the raping of the word rape itself. As for X-ray saying Agents being good for starters only;then dumping once someone gets a name exactley proves my point about the Mantality that gets alot of these girls in trouble in the long run.This girl Corina;obviously thought she was hot stuff enough;to negotiate this herself;and she got in shit deep literally.She did the Anal on the stipulation;not to tell her Agent because she wanted more Money.This sounds like a person;down to swindle a person that got her in the position to make money.In this instance,Her Agent had little to no say so;ONLY because she(Corina)considered her lust for extra funds more relevant than her desire to stay Anally free. As a result she got burned for her greed.Every Studio that does big numbers knows that Agents and Agency's are the lifeblood and core of the Adult Industry.Remember,its through Agents and Agencys that a studio is often able to shoot a Girl;pay a Girl;which in turn pays for food,rent;and livelihood of the Girls.To disregard there importance;and DUMP them after one has made a name only speaks of a mantality no better than a Director just out to get the material from the scene.For one to talk up Good Business ethics;and good standards;I would think dear X-Ray would be able to see this.And as for finding Agents useful only for answering phones;while girls are on Vacation? I would not advise this;because alot of these girls will have plenty of time to relax;once a fresher,younger 18 year old Model comes along to steal there Jobs and Thunder. -Tycoon
well, Mr. T.L.Tycoon DON MEGA INTERNATIONAL PORN AGENT$$$ i said most agents. besides, put the case i would be a talent having problems on a set and call you as my agent telling you i dont want to do this or that, i feel plagued... and you tell me, hey, you know what? they can squeeze an elephant to your backdoor, now shut up babe and fuck me rich, dont forget to come in my office tomorrow to give me my share of the xtra money and my daily treat and now please tell director xxx my best compliments. dont dissapoint me baby - you know there are others to take your place.
now, think hard, what will a stupid babe like me tell the clever chap?
your right that some girls are better off with someone who leads them in this buisness, they profit from the agency , their knowledge and return a part of their hard earned money to the agents, if the agent can get a contract deal for the talent at one point both are happy, and it sounds like a fair game. i never said there arent agents who care and who work theirs balls off to get a kickass deal, and if something goes wrong they shred the producer to pieces no matter how famous he maybe - its just not the majority of them. however there are girls who are mentally strong enough to cut through the shit themselfs, they may get burnt once or twice. but what did i say somewhere? once bitten, twice nasty.
i say live and let live, though expressing anger can be healthy sometimes.
i said most agents. besides, put the case i would be a talent having problems on a set and call you as my agent telling you i dont want to do this or that, i feel plagued... and you tell me, hey, you know what? they can squeeze an elephant to your backdoor, now shut up babe and fuck me rich, dont forget to come in my office tomorrow to give me my share of the xtra money and my daily treat and now please tell director xxx my best compliments. dont dissapoint me baby - you know there are others to take your place.
now, think hard, what will a stupid babe like me tell the clever chap?
your right that some girls are better off with someone who leads them in this buisness, they profit from the agency , their knowledge and return a part of their hard earned money to the agents, if the agent can get a contract deal for the talent at one point both are happy, and it sounds like a fair game. i never said there arent agents who care and who work theirs balls off to get a kickass deal, and if something goes wrong they shred the producer to pieces no matter how famous he maybe - its just not the majority of them. however there are girls who are mentally strong enough to cut through the shit themselfs, they may get burnt once or twice. but what did i say somewhere? once bitten, twice nasty.
i say live and let live, though expressing anger can be healthy sometimes.
i said most agents. besides, put the case i would be a talent having problems on a set and call you as my agent telling you i dont want to do this or that, i feel plagued... and you tell me, hey, you know what? they can squeeze an elephant to your backdoor, now shut up babe and fuck me rich, dont forget to come in my office tomorrow to give me my share of the xtra money and my daily treat and now please tell director xxx my best compliments. dont dissapoint me baby - you know there are others to take your place.
now, think hard, what will a stupid babe like me tell the clever chap?
your right that some girls are better off with someone who leads them in this buisness, they profit from the agency , their knowledge and return a part of their hard earned money to the agents, if the agent can get a contract deal for the talent at one point both are happy, and it sounds like a fair game. i never said there arent agents who care and who work theirs balls off to get a kickass deal, and if something goes wrong they shred the producer to pieces no matter how famous he maybe - its just not the majority of them. however there are girls who are mentally strong enough to cut through the shit themselfs, they may get burnt once or twice. but what did i say somewhere? once bitten, twice nasty.
i say live and let live, though expressing anger can be healthy sometimes.
i said most agents. besides, put the case i would be a talent having problems on a set and call you as my agent telling you i don't want to do this or that, i feel plagued... and you tell me, hey, you know what? they can squeeze an elephant to your backdoor, now shut up babe and fuck me rich, don't forget to come in my office tomorrow to give me my share of the xtra money and my daily treat and now please tell director xxx my best compliments. dont dissapoint me baby - you know there are others to take your place.
now, think hard, what will a stupid babe like me tell the clever chap?
your right that some girls are better off with someone who leads them in this buisness, they profit from the agency , their knowledge and return a part of their hard earned money to the agents, if the agent can get a contract deal for the talent at one point both are happy, and it sounds like a fair game. i never said there aren't agents who care and who work their's balls off to get a kickass deal, and if something goes wrong they shred the producer to pieces no matter how famous he maybe - it's just not the majority of them. however there are girls who are mentally strong enough to cut through the shit themselfs, they may get burnt once or twice. but what did i say somewhere? once bitten, twice nasty.
i say live and let live, though expressing anger can be healthy sometimes.
X-ray, I think you might have lost the sense of reality there. Nobody is disputing that such things are wrong, but they are also sort of inevitable in business, especially porn.. given it's current status.
Zoid, will you please be so kind to tell me in which points i have lost sense for reality in your opinion? Which things are wrong and need no dispute?
Do you want to tell me a girl can under no circumstances handle this buisness on her own without an agent? or what are you up to? please note that my last post was a reply to T.L. only, i hope it did not derail this thread too much.
X-Ray! Your points are well taken. I think niether of us dispute that there is good and bad people on all spectrums of this Industry.Unfortunately;this Industry does not rake in Billions Annually from people being Nice,considerate,and playing by the rules fairly.You got some really incedious Assholes that will do anything and cross anybody to insure there "immediate" bottomline.That goes for Directors, Company Heads,Models;and yes,SOME Agents.I personally am fair and on the up and up on many I come across;and I think people can see this when they interact with me.I still think the main concern in this thread is this girls motives;and the fact that she did consent to Anal in my opinion.Anybody that discusses price on the act,agrees to it;and then complains about being Raped while dissapointed she did not earn a Box Cover;does not have merit in my eyes.
I guess we'll never see this footage ( and I don't mean the actaul dvd).
No means no, except when no means yes. This probably is one of those cases although she did eventually give in. But I cannot place judgment until this video is made available.
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Posted - Aug 10 2004 : 5:03PM
I agree with T.L. Tycoon. There was no rape here. Did Vince and Everhard act unethically in pressuring her to take it up the ass? Maybe. Do I care? Not really. Although I think it's kind of dumb for them to do this sort of thing, I don't really care that they did it. She agreed to the act after all.
I'm going to try and rent this DVD tonight to see how the scene turned out.
Basically, it's already been said by other posters. You just appear to view this all from purely moral and ethical point of view and choose not to take commercial interest into account.
Porn is business and although it's pretty cliche phrase, but people are in business to make money. It's logical to assume many will push limits to make extra buck; many on purpose, some might just get carried away. I don't think anyone really gives a damn about anyone else's feelings . Also, IMO, porn is still considered 'unworthy' business by a huge portion of general population. Many people think adult industry is nothing but a bunch of scumbags, pimps, and crack whores; evildoers who corrupt youth. That attitude doesn't help the cause when you want to fight for the rights of porn girls and friendlier working environments on porn sets.
Sure, there is certain glamorous top in porn, but adult industry is fucking HUGE, especially since Internet is around. Gonzo seems to be popular these days. Everyone with a camcorder can shoot it -- that's been claimed by SOME directors in this forum -- and gonzo demands new faces on regular basis, otherwise it's boring; and it appears to be no lack of new girls willing to do hardcore. Talent seems to easily replaceable and thus expendable, and by being such, how can it be possible for many of them to dictate any conditions or set rules? Not every porn star wannabe is a gorgeous babe who can score contract with Vivid and live happily ever after.
So, there will always be girls who will be cheated, tricked or otherwise mistreated by SOME crooked directors, and SOME pimping agents, and it probably happens more often than we realize, but I don't think it can be cured on global scale, at least at this point in time. I feel sorry for the girls and I don't like the fact that it's happening, but ultimately it is a girl's decision to be in this industry with all the benefits, but also hazards.
This concludes my share of bullshit.
Oh wait, it doesn't. Regarding this particular incident. It appears to me that this has become a matter of whom you like/dislike and thus support; NOT who's telling the truth. I mean we all believe what we want to believe, regardless of evidence and proof. Every evidence we don't like is either an excuse or simply fabricated.
I choose to support Corina and express my sympathy even if she doesn't make much sense. I am a heterosexual male; she's kinda hot; and that's all it takes. Sorry, Mister Voyuer.
Edited by - Zoid on 8/10/2004 5:29:52 PM
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Pleasant Man Deactivated User
7 Posts 8/04
Posted - Aug 10 2004 : 5:23PM
Hot thread. I'll definitely be renting this one. This is what's great about America- I can sit in the comfort of my den and watch a girl get raped on DVD without breaking the law. If Everhard and Voyeur get brought up on charges that'll make it even hotter. I love where porno has been going.
I can see that you are clearly joking about the increased appeal. otherwise, that's sick dude. Go watch a snuff tape or something if u really wanna get ur rocks off
Aha! Well, thanks for this flush of hot air, Okay i shouldnt complain, i asked for it.
i can tell you i live quite good for having lost all sense for reality, besides commercial interest would be my #1 reason to dump an agent as i'm not so keen on the daily treats and profit-splitting schemes.
ah before i forget it, another poster just tried to answer the rhetorical question whether or not a girl can handle the negotiation part of the business by herself. Of course the answer is somewhere to the left of this post.
This thread's going nowhere fast... are we done here?
The issues at the heart of it are serious, no matter whose side you take, or what kind of inane humor you try to take from it. This is just becoming a contentious platform for speculation about things most of us know nothing about.
I always get wary about threads that start with an adultfyi.com link. ::groan::
It was not targetted on this very case. I brought in the "safeword" because someone mentioned "No may mean No but it's not always that clear-cut. Yes might not mean Yes." If such a situation arises a safeword is mandatory in my naive way of thinking, e.g. in a scene where the script or idea of the director calls for a rough sex scene or even more a scene portraying forced sex.
That "No" in a beforehand negotiation means "No" was never questioned by me, as you can also see here.
BTW, on all those "bleeding hearts" callers: Maybe the "bleeding hearts" are actually the very people who get accused of misbehaviour on a regular basis and therefore show that they are incompetent in terms of setting up a policy and guidelines, which prevents them or their company to get involved with such rumours in the future, incompetent in personal management and/or incompetent in getting rid of employees who show disrespect to other colleagues.
No respect to incompetent people, respect to people who do show concern about others.
Hot Wives 8, The - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Aug 8 2004 : 7:42PM
