We were discussing ways to keep kids off of the porn sites. I said why it wouldn't work. As for the poster that essentially said I would be stupid to give a 16 year old a credit card, don't ever have kids. You have two choices -- keep large amounts of cash around on his person to cover his needs when he is outside the home or give him a credit card with you responsible for the bill. What if said kid breaks down in his car and needs a tow home? What about books for school (yes, in some states high school students buy at least some of their books)? Lunch and dinner when he is at a school function? I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.
Americas has one of the lowest personal income taxes for any developed nation. and we have been cutting taxes since the 1960's the top tax brackets were like 70% now the top bracket is like 35% and all liberals want to do is to put it back to 39.5% and you guys scream now we do have a high corporate tax rate compared to other countries,at 35% but if you add in all the deduction and subsidies we give corporations its about 25%, and 50% of aericans paid no federal income tax last yr. as far as taxing porn look I like watching and making porn,but letsbe real why not tax it it gives no value to society and if I have to pay higher dvd cost to provide foodstamps, college education,and much needed social services to ppl I think its a good price to pay
Think about how much income the porn industry generates in California. Now translate that to the taxes the state of California earns off the porn industry. Then consider what the Federal Government earns in taxes thanks to the porn industry. It is a cash cow neither Democrats or Republicans want to see end.
Not only are you wrong but you are way off. I actually enter into the top tax bracket and how you got you figures is amazing considering what my tax rate is. I'm not going to argue on a porn forum site about it, but it is just inaccurate. Even if you were correct, and I will remind you that you are not, somehow comparing shitty tax rates of other countries does not justify ours. It's like being shot by a 9mm hand gun or a .357. Either way, you've been shot and no matter how big the bullet is, it sucks. I don't feel the least bit bad because I bitch about my tax rate. This is fucking America and the fact that we have no ceiling to work under to make a living, and we can run our country and still have low taxes, yes, I'm going to bitch about a too high of a tax rate. If you are okay with paying more, you can be my guest, but I'm not going to join you.
I call shenanigans. Cite your source. I'll give you a hint. The guy that sells hot-dogs or tacos on the street is not a reliable source, nor is Fox news, nor is The Register nor The Enquirer. Provide a legitimate news source or government agency with documentation. Edited by - mich on 1/18/2011 7:48:18 PM
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Posted - Jan 18 2011 : 10:09PM
Or you teach the kid that life is not handed to him. You teach him self reliance and how to solve problems. Call home or friends to help changing the tire. Books, have him pay for them himself via a part time job, or write him a check. Lunch/dinner? pack a lunch. Edited by - rosco fuji on 1/18/2011 10:16:09 PM
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Posted - Jan 18 2011 : 10:12PM
The last thing I want is to have porn taxed to provide foodstamps and other social services.
Wow, you Googled it? Shit, it must be true. I don't need google since I'm the one who gets taxed. For the record, I'm not going to show you my tax records, so you're going to have to take my word that it's more that you think it is. Try Googling Lindsay Lohan nude and see how many pictures you get that are "real". Google is nice but God help you if you make your decisions on what Google tells you. If Google tells you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? Sorry, I shouldn't have asked. I would feel responsible if you jumped off a cliff because someone thinks I have suggested to Google that they tell you to jump off a cliff. But then again, as a democrat, you can always sue the cliff for damages, since it wouldn't be your fault. [mod edit: cropped quote] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 1/23/2011 12:42:32 PM
How do you know that? What do you think all these people would be doing if they weren't jacking off? A lot of the crime rates have been steadily dropping for years. Ever wonder why? Many people aren't out running all over the place looking for something to get into because they'd rather spend their free time masturbating. That might cost some business people but it's not entirely a bad thing.You've gotta be fucking kidding me. You are clearly not on the same planet I see.
those are straight from the IRS website.now those dont include state income taxes because they vary from state,and some states dont have income taxes,but have sales taxes,and then you have longterm capital gains rate at 15% obama wanted to raise it 20% since it was 35% in the 90's,but he decided to keep at 15% extraneous quotes deleted. Edited by - savoy on 1/19/2011 1:06:49 PM
lol look dude I like porn obviously Im on a porn board but you guys over worship this industry,its a tool to jerk off nothing more nothing lees yes the directors and actors can be talented in their own right,but the U.S would be fine without internet porn,lol at you thinking porn has any affect crime rates you think a poor inner city kid is not gonna sell drugs because he can watch a sasha grey movie and Im the lunatic lol. wait you would rather poor kids not go to school,so you can jerk off cheaper,wow you have nice priorities there.
No. I'd rather people pay for their own shit. I don't have any responsibility to pay other people's bills. My priorities are my own business and I'm not ashamed of it. There wouldn't be so many poor kids if more people jerked off (Or at least used a few brain cells) instead of deliberately having kids so they could qualify for all kinds of handouts. People who can't afford to have kids shouldn't have them. You can believe anything you want but you obviously have some really strange priorities of your own when you start talking about this social welfare garbage. When I see that, I know right away that everything I'm going to hear from you is bullshit. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/19/2011 1:19:17 PM
^ obviously you dont understand how economics work college by nature has to be government subsidized,even middleclass families who have decent jobs,can not afford the cost of college tuition n theor own accord. the only reason most americans can afford college,because it is state a goverment subsidized. You go to public university,you are taken advantage of tax dollars. because the cost of education grows fater than wage and salary inflation. [mod edit: quote removed] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 1/23/2011 12:44:26 PM
Porn is what makes 'merica a great nation. It's what get's people up out of bed in the morning. It's what gives them purpose. Porn... porn is our national treasure, right up there with baseball and apple pie.
As odd as it. for me to say this I agree with this idea. Where I live you can't drive a taxi until you're 25. It's about mature decision making. Of course you can die for country at 18 and I understand those who'll scoff at this proposal. A reputation is hard to restore is all I'm saying.
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Posted - Mar 14 2011 : 11:00PM
Repubs only preach less government when it is designed to put more money in their greedy little hands. When it comes to our personal choices or personal lifestyles they are the ones pushing to legislate against people's freedoms. They are all a bunch of hypocrites. Remember Clarance Thomas one of their legions has a real fixation about porn but they turn the blind eye in his case.
The amount of corporate welfare this country doles out dwarfs any sort of government assistance given to the poor. Your ideas about welfare are a stereotype that have little to do with reality. Most people receive government assistance for a period of months, not a lifetime. Sex-ed classes and not porn are probably the best way to cut pregnancy rates.
Look. Basically, someone was talking about imposing what amounts to a "sin tax" on porn to provide social services for people who can't seem to get by without reproducing. It's unfathomable why someone would think people who masturbate should be taxed for actually being responsible. It's funny you should mention sex-ed. You would think an advocate of sex education would know how babies are made. I'll give you a hint. It isn't masturbation.
Frankly, this post shows you don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to argue that an 18 year old doesn't understand the consequences of her actions, you can't honestly believe 3 additional years is going to make that much difference. Well, you probably can but that's more proof that older people don't always have a clue just because they're older. Let's look at it this way. 21 is the legal drinking age and it's still a disaster. Why? Because it's not age. It's common sense. While people certainly do still have some growing up to do at 18, someone who has no common sense at all at 18 (And let's face it, those are the ones you're trying to "protect" from porn) isn't going to grow a common sense appendage in their brain in 3 years unless they fuck up real bad and learn the hard way. In which case, it's the same difference.
As someone who has worked in the insurance industry. I have to disagree of you look at drunk driving accident rates for 18 yr olds, 21 yr old and 25 yr old. They decrease significantly as time goes on which is why 25 yr olds dont have to pay as high insurance rates as 16-21 yr olds 21 yr old might have high rate in comparison to the gerneral poulation of adults but they are less than 16-18 yr olds. In fact it was the insurance industry who lobbied politicians in the 70"s to raise the age because they were paying billions of dollars in insurance claims regarding teenagers.
That explains a lot. You wouldn't happen to be here on company business, would you?In my book that only proves that people learn from their mistakes. Getting older doesn't necessarily keep you from making mistakes in the first place. If you wait until you're 25 to start driving, you're probably going to make many of the same mistakes you would have made at 18. People learn from experience. Making someone wait until they're 25 to do porn is not going to keep them from making mistakes when it comes to sex. And they still won't know anything about making porn until they make some.Who would have thought that if you promised to pay for someone's accidents, you might actually have to pay every once in a while? How crazy is that? Oh well. They can always change the rules so they can still milk the customer dry while the cow doesn't get a thing in return.
Edited by - randomprecision on 3/23/2011 10:42:38 PM
Technically? The average 18 year old probably isn't much less likely to make mistakes than the average 16 year old. But we have to set the "I'm a big girl now" age somewhere. 18 is a quarter of the average lifespan. That seems more than reasonable. That's where they set it when they had the chance and that's where it's been ever since. It's now pretty close to the standard porn age everywhere. They're not going to fucking change this shit on us now. That's bullshit. If they were just setting it today and 18 had never been the accepted standard, I'd probably be cool with it. Anyway, I didn't say it makes no difference. Just that it's unlikely that a person who has no sense at 18 probably isn't going to change much by 21. I went through those years myself and I remember them well. I'm a lot more mature now than I was at 18 but I'm 37 and everything I learned, I learned it the hard way. I didn't just magically get common sense for my 21st (or my 25th) birthday. I got a little bit of it that year but it wasn't free. Edited by - randomprecision on 3/23/2011 11:10:43 PM
Doing porn itself is the mistake. Once it's done, who cares what the learning curve is. You've taken the plunge. It's over. That's where the driving analogy doesn't fit with being a porn performer. People who hate porn don't care if you did classy porn or bukkake only. Doesn't matter. It's all the same to them. Having a greater level of maturity before starting as an adult performer is where it counts, not after you've already been fucked for all the world to see.
The 25 year old from Dumpwater, Nebraska isn't necessarily going to be any more mature than the 18 year old from Chicago. And honestly, it might well be the other way around. If the "Porno Dude" is looking for the most "innocent" girls the law will allow, he's probably gonna look in Nebraska first. Frankly, Porno Dude probably does his best to filter out the girls who seem more "mature" regardless of their age (Unless he's making specialty porn that has a focus on maturity). And Porno Dude will always be porno dude no matter what the legal age is. I probably don't have to tell you this but if you're making porn and you're looking for a 35 year old "MILF" who doesn't have the common sense of a sack of potatoes, you can find her in a world with 6 billion people and in which even well educated people sometimes have to grovel and beg for a halfway decent job. It'll take a little bit longer. Might cost a little more. That's all.
Of course everyone doesn't mature at the same rate, but you're using the exceptions to prove your point. Yes. Some people will always be immature, but in general greater age equals more advanced decision making.
Yes but in the cases where that is true, it's generally experience that really makes the difference. Not age. And you gain experience by making decisions. And a person can only gain experience in making decisions about porn by making decisions about porn. In which case, that person will not gain any experience in making decisions about porn until they can actually do so. People associate good decision making with age because every day that passes adds to your experience. But your experience in grocery shopping or mowing the lawn isn't going to really be applicable to life in the porn biz. We get better at grocery shopping because we keep doing it and the screwups on one trip to the grocery store are directly applicable to improving our performance on the next trip to the grocery store. You got nasty tasting peanut butter last week, you know not to buy that brand again. Eventually, you'll find one you like. Your first day in the porn business. You're 25 and this is the first time you've been near a porn set. What do you know about porn that you didn't know when you were 18? And I guess more importantly, how do you know it? Edited by - randomprecision on 3/24/2011 12:30:34 PM
RP - So you're basically saying that there are no such thing as soft skills or any learning experience being transferable to other situations? lol Alright. You wrote it yourself: "You gain experience by making decisions." Number of life-changing decisions an 18 year old has made vs. a 25 year old? Generally, it will be higher the longer you have lived. Most 18 year olds have not even lived outside of their parents' home. They can't even manage a checking account properly. As for the rest of your post, I'm not gonna rewrite my opinion about the need to experience porn in order to make decisions about porn.
From what I remember back when this news story came out. The all time record for a Vegas weekend of cumulative porn rentals was when the Southern Baptists held their convention in Vegas. It was significantly higher than the usual weekly average.
In regards to porn and sex. The porn age I could care what they do with it. As far as sex and 18yr olds vs 21yr old and 25 yr old girls. I think at 25 the average person has more capacity to evaluate risk and reward. In college all the older guys 21-25 would try and pick up the 18-19 yr old freshman. why do older men prefer 18 yr olds over 21 yr olds. 21 yr old chicks are just as hott as 18 yr olds. Guys know its alot easier to manipulate 18 yr olds then. I see alot of chicks who were promiscous that 1st yr and then, by sophmore yr they regretted and wanted to be in serious relationships but alot of guys didnt want to be in relationships with them because they had been promiscous a yr before. if it was say 19 yr old vs 40 yr old woman than,you can make the level of attractiveness arguement but 18 vs 21 that doesnt hold up. I think the risk and reward evaluation for porn for 18 yr old really isnt thought through. They really think 500-1,000 bucks is really alot of money,and worth risking relationships with their parents freinds and future spouses or children. alot of them really think that nobody is going to see the video or if someone does see it,they want really care that much. It might be worth it if you go on too become a big star making 100,000-200,000 a yr but that is vey rare most chicks will be gone with in 6 months to a yr with very little money to show and their ability to live a "" normal life"" really inhibited especially now that everyone is uploading old movies on tube sites. The risk has gone exponentially. I think at 25 you have found your place socially,in the world and can make a better decision,if you wanna give up a mainstream existance and can better analyze ppl's reaction.
I don't know about that. Before the beer 'pooch', before the tattoos, before platinum blonde hair so she can look like every other girl in her sorority. And it's used more to describe demeanor than appearance, but I say there's a discernible feature of freshmen known as being "wide-eyed and innocent." By the way I'm a teacher's assistant, or will be once again, and I can also attest to the their level of retardation. lol On a further note, I ask "what is your major?" at college parties. You know a lot about a person's malleability by what they choose to study in college. I totally agree with the rest. 25 year olds are more likely to be smarter and more experienced, period. While they won't know much about porn, odds are they've lived away from home and dealt with the kind of sleaze bags (no offence) that comprise male members of the industry. Plus, they should know the value of a dollar. I don't think they're less susceptible to being naive about consequences of shooting a porno. That just doesn't add up, no causal explanation in my view. All that said, I really like 18-20 year olds in porn so I'm against it. 18 is a quarter of your life, a perfect time to be "an adult" and make adult decisions. EDIT: I like 18-20. 21 is fine, but not as minimum age, not at all. Edited by - Cody McLarge on 3/25/2011 3:46:44 AM
as far as 18 and 21 is usually the freshman who gain weight the first semester then they work it off in the summer breaks but i still dont see any discenerable difference in college parties between 18-21 yr old girls atleast physically. behavior wise its whole different story.
You do realize that there is a "reply to topic" icon at the bottom of the page? It won't include a quote of the post right above your reply. Try it out. Seems a lot of newbies don't realize it exists and muck up the threads by endlessly requoting unnecessarily. Please be courteous and clean it up.
Do people realize that in most U.S. states (more than 40 of them), and in most world countries, the age of sexual consent is actually lower than 18? For this reason, it's really absurd that this whole "18 being too young" thing is even a debate. In the vast majority of the world, it's not too young at all. Only in certain puritanical segments of American society is that the case.
Not at all. Just that getting fucked in the ass by 5 guys in front of 20 people or eating 100 loads of fried cum with a spoon for a camera isn't likely to be something anyone is really going to be prepared for at any age until they've actually done it. And in which case, a halfway intelligent girl is probably going to be as mentally ready as she'll ever be at 18. I'm almost 40 and I don't think I'd really be fully prepared for that. But by the same token, if someone approached me when I was 18 and offered to pay me a couple of grand (or whatever it was) to eat 100 loads of fried cum with a spoon for a camera, I'd have said no. And I was flat broke at 18. It's really not a complicated thing at all, is it?Managing a checking account is actually a lot harder than figuring out the consequences of getting fucked in front of a camera and having the scene put on the internet forever. I grew up with a sister. Hardly a day went by when my mother wasn't reminding her of the consequences of having sex. I don't see how any girl who had parents could possibly have no idea. And I fully believe my parents were typical. The fact of the matter is that the chances are very high they know what the consequences will be and they just don't care. There's a big difference between being ignorant or naive and just not caring. I know people in their 30s, 40s and 50s who do things all the time not caring about the consequences until they come face to face with them. That's part of human nature. And they don't have anyone to blame because nobody's going to buy it if they try and say they just didn't know any better. And many of them keep doing it again and again. Getting older doesn't fix them. Not even having to pay the piper fixes many of them.
Every bit of making simple decisions about sex is common sense. More so than even something as banal as operating a cell phone. Yes. People do make dumb decisions about sex every day. I know a 35 year old woman who's had three kids in the past few years simply because she wanted them. She works full time, has a huge mortgage. Doesn't have the time to spend with the kids. It was pretty irresponsible of her to have one but three is ridiculous. People everywhere (of all ages) are reproducing like the human race is going extinct. And they're doing it for no reason at all. Just because. No. These people are not significantly smarter than an 18 year old who decides to make a few porn flicks. Nobody has any business having 3 kids in this world unless they've adopted some of them. Edited by - randomprecision on 3/27/2011 9:41:47 PM
Ok, this is where I agree and disagree. Becoming an erotic film performer is NOT a mistake, if that is what a person wants to do. This is what I see...Girls want their 15 minutes of fame and fast cash. So hey, do double anal and ass to mouth, next gig, next girl. 15 minutes is all the new talent seems to get. Used up and thrown away, no studio wants to shoot a girl who has already performed the circus acts. Some of you so called porn enthusiasts should watch the "Opening of Misty Beethoven," classic. Golden Rod Girl? Now that should be an award at the AVN show. I am talking about girls who really love sex and want to take it to the next level on their own terms. Sorry to slash your post Savoy.
^I personally don't think being a sex performer is a mistake. I was writing from the perspective of those outside of the industry who will pass judgment and scorn someone who was once a sex worker. Those types of people don't differentiate. What you actually did during your porn career doesn't matter much to them. They just know you did porn. I can see how that didn't make sense and even thought I should go back and re-edit at the time, but got distracted and never did. How da ya mean slash? If you mean, you quoted effectively - then I applaud you! People are apparently unable to edit or reply to posts properly these days. It's a real pain in the ass reading this forum right now. I hate being a particular bitch, but when you spend more time browsing past unnecessarily quoted paragraphs just to get to like one sentence replies, it becomes sooooooooooooooooo tiresome and gives me a fuckin' headache! Yeah. That was off-topic.
I think when we talk about the risk of porn. people especially young people only think about immediate risk STD's. people forget the psychological risk. The reason why alot of girls get out of porn real quick is because the mental stress of hooking up with dudes they are not attracted starts to weigh on them. they realize that hooking with a cute guy at the bar is alot different then boning ugly guys in porn. I think a 21 yr old maybe more intact with her sexuality,and thus make a better decision. alot of girls leave porn and escorting without the ability to enjoy sex,because after hooking up with alot of guys they dont like mentallly the intimacy is gone. but porn stays with you for life at 18 you might not think that doing 1 porn movie will make it alot harder to have a family. I know a girl who did 3 porn movies when she was 19,and she hates when she is on a date with a guy she like,she struggles with having to tell him about the movies. she constantly goes on tubesites,looking for her scenes hoping they dont pop up. she wonders if her employeers and good freinds are going to find out. whern she was 19 she thought being in porn was like being a celeberity because of how the media portrayed then she learned,that even the most liberal people treated sex workers like they were freaks and that at 19 having a family was not on her mind so doing porn seemed like a good idea at that time and 1,000 bucks seems like alot of money for a 19 yr old,but its not really alot of money. I think these less aparent risk are what makes porn a bigger decision, should we raise the age or will it help i dont know,but it defiantly should be debated. Edited by - tbetts12 on 3/30/2011 3:44:03 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Mar 30 2011 : 4:43PM
In most other countries it's completely illegal to make porn period, so your argument makes little sense. In those few countries that do allow porn to be shot legally, there is a difference between the age of consent and the legal age to perform in pornography. The only exception was in some of Europe but they changed the age when one can perform in pornography in most European countries years ago. Edited by - BlackSix on 3/30/2011 4:46:06 PM
Posted - Jan 18 2011 : 4:26AM
You are clearly not on the same planet I see.
How crazy is that? Oh well. They can always change the rules so they can still milk the customer dry while the cow doesn't get a thing in return. 