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| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | "The greatest changes to the parts of the brain that are responsible for impulse-control, judgement, decision-making, planning, organization and involved in other functions like emotion, occur in adolescence. This area of the brain (prefrontal cortex) does not reach full maturity until around age 25!" Thus it could be argued that people are not adults until age 25. That is probably how the Republicans picked that number. source |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | The reason they're such assbags in the first place is because they know they're making an impact. They'll only be bigger assholes if they make a dent. |
| VandalSupreme Member 16 Posts 8/10 | |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | 1. Driving. The idea that a 16 year old is fine behind the wheel of a car but an 18 year old is hopelessly overwhelmed in porn is just bizarre. But if 18 year olds shouldn't be doing porn, they shouldn't be having sex or driving, either. 2. They shouldn't be allowed to go to college until they're deemed old enough to have sex and make porn. College is a far more complicated decision with consequences that are just as far reaching and potentially devastating. 3. Anyone who can't be in a porn scene shouldn't be on a battlefield. I think everyone could agree errant impulses in a war zone could really ruin someone's life. 4. Anyone who can't be in a porn scene shouldn't be fucking their GF/BF at all. Because fucking, as it turns out, often results in pregnancy. Unwanted pregnancy, even. Should a 19 year old have a baby? What if she regrets it five years later and neglects the child (or worse)? Really, just having sex has almost as many potential consequences as doing porn. Sure. They won't have to worry about being recognized and harassed by some dirtbag with an attitude problem but if they run into some of the other problems they could have just from having sex, they are going to be just as traumatized. 5. They shouldn't be allowed to buy cars because if they can't pay the loan, it could ruin their credit. 6. They shouldn't be allowed to leave home until they're deemed old enough to be capable of functioning without impulsively self-destructing. 7. They shouldn't be working in any job. This one should speak for itself. They'll definitely regret it if they work a crappy job. And most jobs an 18 year old can get don't pay enough to justify getting out of bet at 6 every morning. 8. They shouldn't be on the internet at all. The internet is a place fraught with danger for someone who isn't capable of understanding the long-term consequences of their actions. Signing into a web site has more consequences than it might seem to. Signing up for an email account is a complicated decision with many potentially unwanted consequences. You almost need a law degree just to fully understand the user agreement for a site like Facebook or Twitter or a typical ISP. You're telling me a person who's too naive and underdeveloped to make a very simple decision with obvious consequences is perfectly capable of making the decision to practically sign their life over to a web site or an ISP? How is it that they should know they won't someday regret signing up with Facebook or Twitter? Such a decision could potentially come back to haunt someone 20 years from now. Porn isn't the only thing that never goes away once it's online. Nothing anyone does online is as simple as it seems. If they can't figure out they might regret being in a porn flick, they shouldn't be anywhere near a computer. 9. They shouldn't be buying any food at all. Everything you consume affects your health for the rest of your life. Making the wrong decision is something you'll definitely regret. Teenagers are notoriously thoughtless about what they eat and drink. Yep. They should just wrap themselves in a cocoon or something and wait to develop. |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | |
| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | I am also aware that there is a difference between the age of consent and the age to legally perform porn. But again, that wasn't the point of my comment. There are atleast three reasons that the age to perform porn is 18, whereas the age of sexual consent is lower: 1. Ages of sexual consent vary by location. 16 may be the legal age of consent in one state, but it may be 17 or 18 in another state, which would mean that watching a video with a 16 year-old participant would be illegal in those states. To prevent this from happening, the age for porn is 18, which would make it legal in all states. For example, the age of consent in California, where most American porn is produced, is 18, which means that having sex with someone under the age of 18 in California is illegal even if it isn't for porn. 2. The age for porn is determined not by age of consent, but by age of majority, which are two different things. The age of cinsent is the age at which an individual can legally consent to sexual activity. The age of majority is the age at which the law recognizes an individual as an adult, and no longer a minor. Depending on the laws of the locality, one doesn't have to reach the age of majority to consent to sex. However, one does have to reach the age of majority to consent to performing in porn. One main reason for this is because a person cannot legally enter into a contract prior to reaching the age of majority. To perform in porn requires signing legal contracts (e.g., model releases, etc.). Since legal minors (those under the age of 18) cannot legally enter into most types of contractual agreements without parental consent (not even marriage), they're not legally able to agree to do porn. 3. Porn produced and distributed in the U.S. must adhere to 2257 statutes, which requires that all individuals performing in pornography must be legal adults, which is again set as the legal age of majority at age 18. This is also probably why other countries have set their legal ages to 18 for performing in porn. In order to have their movies legally distributed in the U.S., the participants in those movies would also have to be 18. Hypothetically, let's say that it was legal in a European country to shoot porn with models who are 16. Those movies would be legal to sell in that country, but not in the U.S. Since most foreign porn production companies do want to be able to sell their porn in the U.S. because of the huge market that exists here, then they are of course going to make sure that their movies meet the same legal requirements that they need to meet to sell them here. If they want to sell their movies in the U.S., then they have to follow what the U.S. does. |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | The rest of your post is certainly true, and states the obvious, that 18 is the age of majority and that's why in the US that is when one can legally perform in porn. I don't really have any desire to see the age raised btw, but let's not forget that the OP was wrong from the get-go, there is no real push for the age to be raised in the US. |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | If they actually believe the age should be raised for the reasons they apparently do, then it makes no sense for them to believe 19 year olds have any business fucking at all. They have as much a right to be hypocritical as anyone. Almost everyone is on some issue or another at some point in their lives. But it IS hypocrisy. |
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| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 | I think you can get a drivers license at age 16. Did you know the age of consent is 16 for young people to have sex in many states. Interesting chart worth checking out if you doubt me. |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | I don't think you will ever see the age of consent lowered from 18 and I wouldn't be surprised if it got increased. I know the argument that a girl who just turned 18 is no more mature than a girl who happens to be 17 and 364 days but the law is that you have to be 18. |
| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 | Summer Rose started at age 17 and Jean Jennings as young as age 16. I saw Jean Jennings in Defiance of Good from 1974 which is pretty good and she was just over age 17, if that. Jean Jennings on the IAFD |
| DP AsaAkira Senior Member 2087 Posts 8/10 | |
| Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11 | |
| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 | One person is not representative of the entire Republican party. The OP got their nuts off by making a broad factually wrong generalization which works great if you can't think for yourself. By the way, somebody, Original thread poster, please post the name of the politician who proposed such a thing. I read your post and you mention no one by name. I'd like to search more into it. WHO IS THIS ALLEGED POLITICIAN????? If it is true I'd like to search more into it. I have not come across a name in all these posts of the politician unless I missed it. Edited by - peoples temple on 1/11/2012 12:16:40 AM |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Edited by - BlackSix on 1/11/2012 3:42:05 AM |
| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 | Hence I conclude Democrats are against porn. |
| Amawatcher Member Show it to us! 134 Posts 9/11 | |
| j_daddy Member 84 Posts 7/09 |
This just came out today, and features three candidates for the Republican nomination for President taking an "anti-porn" stance. http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/01/gop-candidates-promise-revive-war-porn?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29 I don't think Democrats are pro-porn, but coming out against it is not a prerequisite for attaining higher office. |
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| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | It would be interesting to know Ron Paul's thoughts on this matter. I know he's unlikely to speak about porn in public. But has he ever made public statements about issues like drinking age, or whether the government should be in the business of licensing people of any age to drive? Has he ever spoken publicly about prostitution (which I assume he would legalize)? I'm sure everyone agrees that child can't make a decision to do porn. That said, what SHOULD constitute sufficient maturity? I feel comfortable with 18, but that's only because it's what I know. On reflection, I suspect that Sasha Grey might have been ready to make the decision earlier than 18, and Shelley Lubbin was clearly not ready to make a mature decision when she did porn. So while the law requires a clear line, and age can provide that clarity, it seems that age isn't the real issue. What is the real issue? To what degree are we concerned with the emotional and psychological well-being of young people who are considering doing porn, and to what degree are we condemning pedaphilia, and don't want to feed their "perversion"? How is this related to having sufficient maturity to VIEW porn? Lots of children have looked at Playboy, and I know that people sold me tickets to enter hardcore movie theaters when I wasn't of age. With the internet, a lot of teens (and some younger children) are exposed to hardcore porn. This doesn't strike me as a big problem, but others may see it as a real concern. Edited by - cumminglinguist on 1/12/2012 8:53:50 AM |
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| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 | If it is legal for 16 year olds to have sex with adults in many states it should be legal to do it on film. I would vote for any candidate that proposes lowering the porn entry age. |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Young people often don't do a good job of anticipating the results of their actions. |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 |
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| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 |
The real fear is the massive runaway population of 16 and 17 year olds that come from families of neglect, dysfunctional, abusive GUARDIANS, where the teens try anything to get out of that situation. That means they need money to support themselves while alone and I would take a stab at it that many of these young people would be swallowed up by the adult industry to perform on film for good money. So with that reasoning perhaps it is why the age will not be lowered. Word gets around very fast where you can make decent money, especially legally earned money. It would also be very bad business for McDonalds. |
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| ControlFreak Member At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09 | |
| JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08 | Edit: I've been trying to make a nuanced argument about the benefits of a higher entry age. I certainly believe there are clear benefits from the point of performers, but I'm not ready to legitimize divorcing more things from the (almost) universal age limit of 18. If we start going down that road who knows what certain people might start thinking of doing when it comes to other hot button issues (women's rights, abortion, etc). But because of the stigma, and the unfortunate risks (mental and physical) for women when it comes to porn, a universal limit can easily be argued to have clear benefits. It doesn't mean its necessarily a good idea, but there are good arguments. And yes, those are good arguments only because porn has a stigma (and especially so for women), so it is kind of circular, but that is the world we are living in. Edited by - JohnW on 2/15/2012 3:36:52 PM |
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