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| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 |  Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 12:37PMEdited by - joeteen on 6/13/2012 12:53:02 PM [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 12:54PM Edited by - sexshopgrl on 6/13/2012 12:54:58 PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 1:06PM [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 2:12PM "I know for a fact most women enjoy being dominated." I asked to see those facts. You never provided them. That mkes it YOUR opinion. A crappily done graph chart from OK Stupid means nothing to me. And of course cowbell had NOTHING to do with that argument, right? Here....I'll do YOUR homework for you. The Examination of Relationship between Social Support, Social Selfefficacy Sexual Submissiveness in Women Pay attention!! The answer to your original question is there. Think whatever you want of me and my opinions. Doesn't really matter to me. I think it's safe to say that quite a few of the other guys around here have figured that one out. SexShopGrl is honey badger and honey badger don't give a shit. The truth is I get so tired of answering the same questions from guys young and old who can't figure out what they are doing right or wrong with women. You guys ask for our opinions and when we give them you bitch because it doesn't match up with what you think should be true. I've also been told by other female members here they don't bother anymore because when they do it comes down to a) Their opinions being thrown right out the window and b) Their being accused of having a feminist agenda just becuse their opinions don't line up with what men think. Well, I got news for you. I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR!!!!! It doesn't do you or me any favors so get over it!! [Link] |
| ass_clown Member 42 Posts 5/12 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 2:57PM lol [Link] |
| phenemol Member 30 Posts 6/11 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 5:24PM @SexShopGrl why don't you like the okcupid graph I posted? It basically proves your point that the majority of women are not interested in rough sex/being submissive. Additionally your studies don't seem to answer either the poster's original question (Women who like rough sex/being dominated, why do you like it?) or the question this thread has somehow become about (True or false: women overwhelmingly prefer rough sex/being dominated?) The first one is a study on social submissiveness and says people raised in a nuclear family and male are more likely to be submissive. Fine, this tells us nothing about either of those questions. The second studies whether sexual submissiveness is a learned trait in females. They conclude that it is and that and may in fact be hindering some women's sexual satisfaction. In fact they describe sexual submissiveness in females as socially normative which would imply that the majority of women do engage in it. Now this is a counter argument to the corollary argument you had about the "natural" form of female sexuality (I agree there is no such thing) with cow_bell but I don't see it answering any of the above stated questions. Maybe I am misreading them but that's what I got. Also you kind of did put shit on joeteen 3 posts ago when you lumped him in with the OP for generalizing and using the word "fact" which is something he apologized for and took back earlier. You seem pretty upset and you have every right to be. People telling you they know more about some aspect of your life and is insanely upsetting. I had my own run in with this on this very site. https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/why-indian-girls-are-so-rare-in-porn/reply/2003989#post Dealing with people like cow_bell and Dubious_Leftovers can be exasperating so kudos to you for still making the effort, I gave up. I'm just saying all this in the hope we can get back to the original question (Women who like rough sex/being dominated, why do you like it?) however awkwardly stated. Mainly because I think the answers sound sexy and interesting. Yeah I'm on this site to perv out haha. [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 5:32PM Edited by - joeteen on 6/13/2012 5:42:29 PM Edited by - joeteen on 6/13/2012 7:25:27 PM Edited by - joeteen on 6/13/2012 7:27:10 PM [Link] |
| phenemol Member 30 Posts 6/11 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 5:44PM And seriously give her a break too. I mean she's arguing with cow_bell who says stupid things like "Pussy gets wet because it increases the chances that the sperm in the pussy is wanted by the female (she likes the guy)." That would make anyone upset. Edited by - phenemol on 6/13/2012 5:46:57 PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 5:52PM [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 7:50PM Second, who gets to define domination? One cannot assume that the bald question 'Do you like to be dominated' means the same thing to every woman, because their own experiences matter. One woman may say she likes being dominated in such-and-such a fashion only to be told by another that what she likes doesn't qualify as domination. For example, if I pull a woman's hair to force her head back so I can kiss her throat am I dominating her, or am I just taking momentary control of the situation? What's the difference? Does your response change if she then does the same thing to me? My guess would be that some women may indeed want to be dominated, but a larger number of women are willing to be dominated in some sense in some situations by some partners. In other words, not only does one's definition of the word matter, but context probably matters, as well. That being the case, how the question is phrased in a poll probably matters a great deal, too. The bottom line - always take bald survey results with a grain of salt. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 7:56PM [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 9:48PM phenemol, just because it agrees with what I'm saying doesn't mean it was well done. I mean come on, look at the page. It was as if it was written to be one big joke. I appreciate the effort but the truth is there is no trustworthy statistical data on dominate and subissive sex. If people are taught to be submissive why do you think they like it? I've given plenty of good reasons why in this thread an in others. If you guys don't like my answers too bad. So again.... 1) They like it because they've been taught they should be submissive. 2) They like it because they can forget about being dominant in their daily lives and give up the control of sex. Sunshowers and I BOTH said this. But for whatever reason I guess it's just not the answer the OP wants to hear. So then the question suddenlly changes. I personally don't give a fuck anymore. @joeteen There is only one member on this entire forum that can actually say he knows me and you're not him. [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 12:32AM The whole Dom/sub dynamics go way beyond sex, imo, no bs studies to back me up on this. And to each their own when it comes to Dom/sub relationships. Many times the sub becomes the Dom because he/she relies upon them when the sub wants to rely upon their Dom if that makes any sense, and it has nothing to do with sex!! joeteen, thanks for bringing this up!! The fact that you are asking questions about it is great!! [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 12:42AM [Link] |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 1:35AM 1. The OP doesn't actually seem interested in what 'ladies' actually think. 2. joeteen and more_cowbell are probably the exact same poster. [Link] |
| matchmaker Senior Member 24909 Posts 4/05 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 1:47AM Instead it seems to have people arguing and getting personal with each other.To summarize everything, each individual person have their own preferences. [Link] |
| more_cowbell Member 162 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 3:47AM I thought I saw on a sex documentary that natural lubricant helps sperm but didn't bother to google it. So what? I haven't heard anyone question or dismiss the other examples I came up with. Oh and try to disprove those examples without using google. (that would be cheating) [Link] |
| more_cowbell Member 162 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 3:50AM Can't wait to read your blog on Bilderberg. [Link] |
| SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 8:00AM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 12:20PM reason no.2 I understand and accept it and I read it on your link but I need more details just like I gave details. I need the psychological period they pass by during actual process... And,are you saying I don't really know you and know the depths of your heart and soul :'( ? Oh no, I thought I was the one but I guess it's not me and I just have to accept that, what a lucky man the one who has the key to you heart,your just like a treasure box I can never open , How am I gonna live now knowing I'll never reach the mountain top :tears: :commits suicide: Edited by - joeteen on 6/14/2012 1:01:17 PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 12:32PM and if you consider SexShopGrl to be all "ladies" and if I disagree with her then I disagree with all "ladies" then that's your problem , quote me a reply to my actual question from a lady that I seemed "not interested in",you won't find one,a reply that starts with " I love being dominated cause it makes me feel..." giving detailed description not "some women like it cause..." or "I can imagine it's because..." I want a woman who loves being dominated in bed to speak for herself giving thorough details like the one I gave, the only one I heard was "they like to lose control" explain more plz! Edited by - joeteen on 6/14/2012 12:48:39 PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 12:35PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 12:59PM "To sexually dominate someone, specifically a submissive partner, often by speaking harshly and causing physical pain" that's copy pasted. Summary : SexShopGrl said they like to let go and lose control,okay,can we get the details on the "psychological period" during the process as I mentioned before? and how she's not offended by it even if it helps her to let go? and thx to everyone who replied including SexShopGrl... Edited by - joeteen on 6/14/2012 1:05:57 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 1:22PM Another thing I think pervasive in culture is the idea that sexual interaction and relationships involve a strict power dynamic -- a power binary. But sexual activity need not require a controller/the controlled, a dom and a sub. It can just be sex between two people where one or both may or may not penetrate/be penetrated. [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 4:22PM Example... rope play....The Top is the person doing the tying. The bottom is the person being tied up. Whipping...The Top is the person doing the whipping. The Bottom is the person being whipped. Ect. ect. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 6:35PM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 6:40PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 9:45PM [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 12:53AM I am not going to tear your thread up joeteen, but you did say.....The key words I am looking at are the last five from what I just quoted. I am typing this in haste so please forgive me if I missed something, the last thing you directed towards me was something like...."I am only talking about in the bedroom" but clearly in your initial post it goes beyond that or am I wrong? To generalize women is wrong in my opinion, because all women are different, some like things and some don't. One thing I have learned is that women do not like to be stereotyped or thought less of for having fantasies that aren't considered normal, if that makes any sense. I am having a hard time typing what I am trying to say. So I am going to be blunt, women have a pussy and guys have a cock, women like to get fucked and guys like to fuck. Psychologically, women have it much harder than men, again in my opinion, for whatever reason society is hard on women. Whenever a woman admits to having a strange fantasy men seem to think they are messed up so women don't share their fantasies with them. [Link] |
| more_cowbell Member 162 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 1:54AM If you don't like a guy, you won't get wet, which will make climaxing more difficult for him, which decreases the chance to get pregnant by someone who doesn't turn you on. Just a theory, but it makes sense if the intention is to ensure the female approves of the male and therefore his sperm. Edited by - more_cowbell on 6/15/2012 1:54:53 AM Edited by - more_cowbell on 6/15/2012 1:55:32 AM Edited by - more_cowbell on 6/15/2012 1:56:29 AM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 2:16AM characterized by tendencies to yield to the will or authority of others - bullying usually involves a stronger, more dominant personality coercing a weaker, more submissive personality—S. W. Twemlow —sub·mis·sive·ness noun this can be accomplished in several ways, a persons want or need to give up that control; anothers want or need to take it; Fear of pain leading to conditioning, which is very sadistic and masochistic. I am not saying it isn't fun, been on both sides of the rope, and it can be quite nice. that said, while joeteens initial post was benign, his reaction to SSG says otherwise. and while women may be, emphasis on MAY BE, more inclined to submit, I'd be willing to bet that just as many guys would submit if they could be honest about what they want. I know jack shit about women, I do know enough that if you try to take over a situation regardless of activity and she's not up for it, you're gonna get your ass handed to you. I'd be very interested to hear joeteens answer to this: Would you let your Girlfriend/Wife peg you with the same zeal as you described in your initial post? Edited by - RemyGetsMeWet on 6/15/2012 3:26:50 AM [Link] |
| Algaliarept Senior Member 3557 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 3:09AM [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 10:16AM You should really just stop now. [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 12:02PM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 12:06PM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 12:50PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 12:56PM @remygetswet yes I can let go and let her be in charge (sometimes) but I guess I rarely get in the mood for that,was that your question ? I need an example,like tell me what she would be doing and what would I be doing...etc Edited by - joeteen on 6/15/2012 1:33:13 PM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 1:32PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 1:35PM Edited by - joeteen on 6/15/2012 1:40:32 PM Edited by - joeteen on 6/15/2012 1:48:37 PM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 1:57PM [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 2:36PM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 3:25PM I do like women to tell me what they want, makes it much easier to get them off. however you just admitted you want a woman to tell you it's o.k. to control her and abuse her. now if that's what she wants and no one is really getting hurt, that's wonderful, but be aware that that view can quickly darken if you aren't mindful. [Link] |
| joeteen Member 207 Posts 4/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 4:44PM [Link] |
| phenemol Member 30 Posts 6/11 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 7:05PM Also a question. your earlier post mentioned that you wont ask anything you wouldn't be comfortable doing. Is this an ethical or moral position about sex that you have? Does that mean it would be required to be a bisexual to be in an ethical sexual relationship? Edited by - phenemol on 6/15/2012 7:23:59 PM [Link] |
| RemyGetsMeWet Deactivated User Freedom Of Speech Isn't A Punchline 300 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 9:03PM I never said that liking BDSM or rough sex was in anyway misogynistic. i should have said that the tone of what was said {"we need a woman who loves being dominated"} was. now if the statement had only been the remainder of that sentence {"we need a woman who tells us exactly how she feels and how it's not degrading for her"} and or the first part was phrased differently, then I'd agree with you. as for part 2, badly phrased. I would never ask to do some thing to a woman I wasn't willing to have her do to me. Ethically, I don't see how you can want to do a thing with another person that you aren't willing to have them do to you. the math doesn't work for me. Bi is a deal breaker, just my own wiring, but it's a free world {mostly} so to each his own if it's not being forced on me. so therefore , Yes I'd let her peg me, hasn't come up yet, haven't had the privilege of being allowed access to a woman's ass yet, but yeah I'd be up for it. Edited by - RemyGetsMeWet on 6/15/2012 11:07:36 PM [Link] |
| more_cowbell Member 162 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 9:28PM Another hypothesis. You don't know if it's conclusively false or not. [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 15 2012 : 10:46PM It's really there more for our comfort than yours (bacause you make your own) and to facilitates the movement of sperm. [Link] |
| phenemol Member 30 Posts 6/11 | Posted - Jun 16 2012 : 12:06AM As for your 2nd thing. That ethical frame seems to have some logical inconsistencies, but hey whatever floats your boat. Edited by - phenemol on 6/16/2012 12:08:48 AM [Link] |
| WardqueenJanine Member 914 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jun 16 2012 : 12:58AM This is really so condescending and complete bullshit. It's not only non-feminist, it's Victorian. It's going back to saying that if we engage in sex for our own pleasure we need to submit to am an to get pleasure and they have the control over us is bringing us satisfaction. [Link] |
| SexShopGrl Member F is for Forty and Fabulous! 940 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Jun 16 2012 : 1:07AM [Link] |
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