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Opium
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 11:38PM
i currently use a router with my PC, but since the 2nd PC in my home is now gone i don't really need it any more. then i read on a website that a router firewall is better/more secure than a windows/PC router (don't know what to call it). is this true, and as long as i have a good antivirus with a firewall does it matter whether or not i still use a router with the new PC i plan on getting?
Edited by - Opium on Mar 28 2012
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Posted - Mar 29 2012 : 3:21AM
If you're one of those guys that downloads all sorts of "YOU HAVE TO TRY THIS!!!!" crap then you should probably go with the router-based solution.
On the other hand, if your first concern when you are thinking of downloading a file off of the internet is to make sure that it is not going to mess up your computer, then you are probably the type that can use a PC based security solution effectively.
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Posted - Mar 29 2012 : 5:57PM
I agree with Hardware. If you have a good system on your computer, the router isn't necessary.
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Posted - Mar 29 2012 : 10:01PM
Do you have any other components besides a computer in your house that could benefit from accessing the Internet or your home network?
Besides my PC's, I currently have 3 DVR's, 2 Blu-ray players, an XM Internet Radio, a WDTV media player and my cell phone that all access my network either through ethernet or via Wifi. I need a router in order for any of these components to access the network.
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Posted - Mar 30 2012 : 1:44AM
Since I'm minorly paranoid, my opinion is that unless the hardware router is causing trouble, you should use it. It's like wearing double condoms; if one fails the other may stop something.
 
cubesnake
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Posted - Mar 30 2012 : 5:42AM
I´m with jayo
on occasions you may turn of the firewall of your os and maybe forget to turn it on again. If you don´t have a router than you are unprotected. I don´t know if this is still true but years ago it took about 10 minutes to catch a virus if your pc was idle on a modem
double condom sounds good to me ... and it doesn´t stop there. Having a pop-up-blocker and scriptblocker is very important too ... besides a good antivirus soft of course
Maybe people should only surf via "virtual machines" or use "LINUX Live CDs"
The internet becomes more and more dangerous to those who are not "geeks" or professors
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Edited by - cubesnake on 3/30/2012 5:46:45 AM
Opium
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Posted - Mar 30 2012 : 6:47AM
thanks for the help everyone. for the record i don't use anything else like DVR's or XM Radio, and my antivirus is AVG (the full version) which comes with a firewall. so far it's been the best AV i've had, no serious viruses since 2010. before i used norton and used to get a virus or trojan basically once a year.
Edited by - Opium on 3/30/2012 6:48:49 AM
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 4:50AM
+1. Plus there are good routers out there that help with lowering ping times and increase performance.
Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 4/11/2012 4:51:32 AM
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 2:25PM
Lowering PING times doesn't buy you anything unless the router can do the same thing for regular TCP traffic.
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 2:48PM
I strongly advise a router, whether you need one for multiple connections or not, due to the extra firewall protection benefits it provides.
I also strongly advise a good software firewall.
A software firewall is typically in addition to your active anti-virus/anti-malware real-time software you are using (although some of your better suites come with an integrated firewall).
Windows firewall is just about useless.
VIPRE Internet Security 2012 is an exceptionally good software with an integrated firewall.
VIPRE® Internet Security combines next-generation antivirus and antispyware technologies with a bi-directional firewall and spam and web filtering for all-in-one protection against malware.
cubesnake
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 2:58PM
yes but ... it´s like putting a newbie into the seat of a racecar ... if he does not accommodate himself with the car the outcome will not be a surprise.
Cube
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 3:02PM
I have no idea what this means.
If it relates to my post, I'd like to know.
Otherwise, I don't really care
cubesnake
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 7:42PM
what i was trying to say is. Most people are no computer wizards they manage to install a software but they almost never look at the settings. A lot of times you need to customize the settings in order to be almost 100% safe.
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 7:49PM
I'm inclined to agree except for the fact that a lot of software, especially stuff like firewalls, is not designed nor documented with a non-professional in mind. So even if you want to do a better job, it's very difficult to figure out how to tweak the settings for optimization.
At least that's been my experience.
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 8:24PM
The VIPRE default settings are excellent.
The average person merely has to install it, let it update itself and let it run its scans -- updating and scanning defaults will occur if the user just leaves it alone to do its thing.
Sad truth may be that, the average person is too stupid to do even this.
Personally, I've relaxed the software, in that, I have over-ridden the automatic default updating and scanning settings, choosing instead to update and scan when I choose to.
Since I work with a great deal of video, I find it inconvenient to have these processes launch and run while I'm working.
With the firewall, specifically, I use the standard settings to this day.
I could go into a learning mode (where I would teach the program which sites to block and allow, etc.), but this becomes annoying -- and completely not necessary.
I can also set sites to allow ahead of time.
However, I choose not to.
Visiting porn-related sites as we are like to do, meets up with sites that VIPRE flags as "malicious" (AEBN for example), and I have chosen to defer to VIPRE's judgement in these matters.
FYI, I'd say a good 10-to-20 percent of free pics and video sites, like you would encounter on Freeones, get flagged as "malicious."
VIPRE is a great product -- the absolute best I've ever used.
FYI, about four years ago I was so fed up with my paid version of AVG that, I uninstalled it with eight-months still remaining on my license, and switched to VIPRE.
(Yes, AVG was that bad.)
Best decision I ever made in this regard.
 
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 11:56PM
well, in terms of "Freeones" i can only advise to have your AV Soft up to date. It went all crazy several times ... dont know if thats still the case with some of those links
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Posted - Apr 12 2012 : 1:48AM
are you saying visiting AEBN will get me a virus? been on there alot and never had any problems with that site.
as far as AVG paid version IMO it's fine and is much better than norton, which is what i used prior and got several viruses and trojans.
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Posted - Apr 12 2012 : 6:21AM
^ Polio is "better than Norton"
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