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alexl467
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Bklyn, NY
873 Posts
4/03
Posted - Dec 27 2006 : 4:33PM
1) Is VIVID ALT the new gonzo division of Vivid Videos?

2) Which of the following best describe the sexual content in a typically VIVID ALT movie?

A) It is equal to the sexual content of the typical gonzo DVDs that are released by companies like RLD, PXP, and Zero Tolerance?
B) Is it harder than a typical feature porn, but not as hardcore as gonzo movies like Fuck Slaves” and “I Love It Rough 1”?

3) Are VIVID ALT movies similar to Joanna Angel’s movies?

4) Are any, all, some, or none of the following acts regularly performed in VIVID ALT movies?

ir
ir anal
anal
gangbangs
creampies
squirting
dap
dvp

5) What are posters thoughts and opinions of VIVID ALT movies? Do you all like that, or do you all hate them? Are they were worth buying?


alexl467

nomad2317
Member

14 Posts
10/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 6:46AM
From what I've seen on adult dvd empire, it looks like they are trying to make a gonzo line but don't hold your breath on that wish list you have. The few titles I took a peek at didn't have IR. If they make a film with an IR scene then too things are certain.

(1) None of their current contract stars will be doing the IR scene

(2) If they prove me wrong about #1 then said contract star will be in a Vivid feature not Vivid ALT.

I don't know what they are trying to do with this new studio but I'd save my money and wait see.

"losing isn't learning to be lost. It's learning to know when you're lost."

Edited by - nomad2317 on 12/28/2006 6:48:21 AM

DanaDeArmond
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2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 1:50PM
go to vividalt.com

Mission:
This website sells you nothing. We just want you to know who we are and what we are doing.
From the original idea to the final DVD, each VividAlt director has complete creative control.
FAQ:
Why cant I buy anything here?
This is part of the deal Eon Mckai struck with Vivid when
creating the Vividalt imprint. Travel to the directors sites and you ll
most likely find links to buy the movies.
Are the girls in these pix really fucking in the Vividalt movies?
Yes!
How do I get VividAlt stickers?
Step 1) Register in the gossip area.
Step 2) Go to street teem and click on Get Stickers.
Can I ride in the Vividalt jet?
No!
Questions:
EONatEONMCKAIdotCOM
Don’t ask me what alt is Im tired of talking about it

and as for interracial scenes they are in all of the vivid alt titles.

rebelle rousers
skater girl fever
girls lie
danadearmonddoestheinternet.
and east side story is coming... also have IR.

sooooo
you dont know what you are talking about.

ALT PORN definition from urban dictionary
1. alt porn

Altporn - alternative pornography. a medium (mainly online but also occassionally in print) consisting of an alternative to mainstream pornography, websites that often offer communities where members can communicate with models, breaking down barriers and exploitation by featuring models who are real people. Often feature men and women of subculture and considered woman friendly and sex-positive.

There has been a recent surge in do-it-yourself, grassroots alporn sites that feature sex positive models of all shapes and sizes.

DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 2:24PM
there is squirting is a bonus scene with me on girls lie.
i do anal in girls lie.
skater girl is a deviant flick.
rebelle rousers is, well indescribable. lets just say tyler night plays a redneck.
JEWEL (imposter)
Jewel De'Nyle

736 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 3:06PM
It's just a trend for now to hit the younger market.
 
DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

TheInternetsGirlfriend.com
2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 3:07PM
or perhaps to introduce something less contrived and formulaic into the mainstream?

thats a nicer way to say it.

vodka tonic
coolest cucumber

who
1243 Posts
11/02
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:05PM
Good answer. Alex, If you're looking for specific sex acts, don't go for Vivid .alt. It's not about niches. I've only seen "Rebelle Rousers" because I'm gay and so far, it's their only release which featured my kind of men, and it was the best porn movie I've seen in a long time. I would say vignettes, with gusto and lots of talent. But I don't think the rest of their releases can be described as vignettes. Go to their website and check their trailers, it should give you an accurate idea. As far as I know, they're all scripted. "Rebelle Rousers" featured anal, DP, IR, g/g domination and a long bondage scene. But I repeat, it's not about the sex acts. If you're looking for gonzo, don't bother.
DanaDeArmond
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1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:15PM
i <3 vodka tonic
the poster not the drink. :)

all vivid alt movies are different from all other movies being made and they are all different from one another.


dana dearmond does the internet is my porn biopic involving my relationship to the internet, my myspace fame, cute reinactments, documentaries and a trip to the zoo. oh and lesbian sex with anal gaping.

there is something for everyone!

Vivid-alt
New Member

Los Angeles
5 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:16PM
DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:16PM
oh and PS kimberly kane directed a VIVID ALT title called triple ecstasy which is one of the dirtiest things to be captured on video. so no complaining!
Vivid-alt
New Member

Los Angeles
5 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:26PM
let alt grow and run free...

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:29PM
What's the difference between alt and indie?
DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:35PM
i guess alt is the new indie. when talking about records indie means on an independant record label. but we live in a world where "alternative" "indie" and the like have become mainstream. e.g. nirvana, indie 103.1 radio station.

ALT is the new CULT

DanaDeArmond
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2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:37PM
i think you are confusing vivid alt with vivid raw.

they had that as a gonzo division for a while.

Vivid-alt
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Los Angeles
5 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:37PM
I think indy would meen independant... an i did use the indy porn name early on....But I worked fro VCA... ownd buy LFP... not verry indy in the grand sceem....

but about the same size as a 90s indy label ( I'm talking out my ass a bit here )

that beeing said

alt meaning alternative seems to not always to me...

alt is a moiving liveing thing... thats the only whay it will have some staying power

Edited by - Vivid-alt on 12/28/2006 4:38:49 PM

 
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 4:43PM
How many units before you move from being indie porn to major lable porn? Feel free to answer in units/title, units/year, or both.
DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 5:07PM
its the difference between jadetree records and sony records.
get it?
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 5:09PM
How many units is that?
Ultrasiet2
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1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 5:13PM
Holy mackerel, you mean porn stars aren't real people? Even the ones with no boob jobs done?

Then Dana said:

Keep telling yourself that.

The Urban dictionary provides the following definition of cult:
A "religion" usually started by some old guy as an excuse to bang teenage runaway girls he gets to join his "alternative-religio n." All rituals somehow involve worship of said old guy's penis.

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 5:13PM
Here, I'll help. Fill in the blanks:

When Sony has a big record, it sells millions of copies.

When Jade Tree has a big record, it sells ________ copies.

When LFP has a big DVD, it sells __________ copies.

When Pink&White Productions has a big DVD, it sells 5-6 thousand copies.

DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 5:30PM
ultrasiet there is no reason to get nasty with me.

as a generalization a lot of alt porn tries to humanize the porn star instead of presenting her on a pedestal as some unattainable object.
and i mean alt is a cult is in the way that people involved with subculture are often fanatical about a lot of things.
i.e. if a guy with a black flag tattoo on his neck sees to chicks with either wearing a misfits shit and a insane clown posse shirt. who will he talk to. the one with the misfits shirt, because she is of his subculture.

im sure my point will be completely missed. i have low blood sugar.
goodbye.

Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 6:16PM
I'm sorry if it came across that way, just me being mischevious. I should disclose that I own copies of all the Vivid Alt films, excluding Rebelle Rousers which I hadn't heard of until you mentioned it, and including your film, which I've yet to watch but look forward to viewing when I get a chance, as I'm a fan of yours, although I don't always feel the need to acknowledge that to porn stars online. I am firmly behind the alt-movies, but I do find the nomenclature a bit of a load of crap. I understand the need to distinguish and categorise a genre of porn, but come on: sentences like 'alt is the new cult' when delivered without a sense of self-lampooning are awfully banal and platitudinous, if you'll allow me a neologism of my own. That's even with your explanation. I take your point, but there is a lot of chest-beating involved with subcultures which is fair game for ridicule, IMHO.

The irony of this sentence:
as a generalization a lot of alt porn tries to humanize the porn star instead of presenting her on a pedestal as some unattainable object.

is that porn stars are unattainable anyway and one of the principle ideas of gonzo to start with was to contextualise porn stars in terms of real-world experience. Or am I being naive and was gonzo just all about doing away with scripts and artifice?

DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:16PM
well perhaps you arent a big dana fan otherwise you'd know to take mostly everything i say with a grain of salt. :P

and yes gonzo is about eliminating scripts and a pissing contest to see who can do the grossest shit. (which i am all for)


lets just kiss and make up. tell me that im right and you like my movie
jokies
xo dd

Vivid-alt
New Member

Los Angeles
5 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:38PM
I see what your trying to get at... but I was thinking a bout the size of the staff...

it's pritty safe to say that I can't talk about this stuff.

and when you work for LFP... thay never show you #s

Sean Carnage who did pr for a bit at LFP. When I met him he sugested that thay were comparabel.
http://seancarnage.com/
I'm guessing if yhou compared one tital to another like you have... buit lfp seems to want alot of titals. Not Qualaty and Creativaty.

he just put out a DVD of muisic on a indy label
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000J3Q12O/ref=pd_sl_aw_open-1_dvd_24375217_10?tag2=amd-google-20

there is some more conversatin and some math to go where this sentance is.


man how did we get here?

you can see why this conversation can grow tireing...

and I'm gessing the wrong convefrsation fot this venu..


When Sony has a big record, it sells millions of copies.

When Jade Tree has a big record, it sells ________ copies.

When LFP has a big DVD, it sells __________ copies.

When Pink&White Productions has a big DVD, it sells 5-6 thousand copies.

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Edited by - Vivid-alt on 12/28/2006 7:41:14 PM
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:42PM
I want to save post this for posterity
Edited by - Vivid-alt on 12/28/2006 7:41:14 PM
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Ultrasiet2
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12/04
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:43PM
I'm a big Dana's-performances fan. The whole PR thing - nah, you got enough of them. You don't need me.

How about we go with this: the letters 'a' and 'l' and 't' are like three confused hipster groupies lingering around the word 'porn.' They don't know why they're there, or what they're all about, they don't exactly have any intrinsic meaning, but they wanna be near the porn. People see the groupie letters and think: man, something unusual and cool is happening here. Let's investigate.

And yes, you're right and I like your movies, but your abandonment of apostrophes troubles me.

OneLouder
Member

203 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:43PM
.....my head hurts.....
DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:56PM
my wreckless abandonment of apostrophes is my trademark!
Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 7:59PM
How very Cormac McCarthy of you.
benderset
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8/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:09PM
Ive checked out a few of the Vivid Alt. titles and I wouldnt recommend any of them. Im sure Alt will find its little niche but I dont see it blowing up on the scene
DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:12PM
maybe not all of us want to watch the race of who can get 4 dicks in their ass first.
benderset
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477 Posts
8/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:17PM
Thats not what I want to see either. Maybe Im getting alittle old but alot of the performers are just to weird looking for my blood. Id much rather see a Cassidey title from Vivid then a movie where a girl has to many tats and messed up hairstyles and all those freakish facial rings

Edited by - benderset on 12/28/2006 8:20:58 PM

ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:21PM
the 'alt' niche is one that has been ignored in porn for far too long. as the most emo-looking poster on this board, i know what i'm talking about. it's near impossible to find a flick that features the good-looking girls that i would be inclined to sleep with in these films--the girls with dark hair and dark clothes--without it being some s&m bondage film, which i don't like. why does the alt image = bondage? it doesn't within the actual subculture.

with things like suicide girls being so popular, i'm glad companies have finally realised that this is what people want to see. i think it's fair to say that it's more 'real' to see this than to see bottle-blondes with fake tits, only in that these people are more relatable to those people already in the subculture.

* i didn't mean to write this much, but whatever.

ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:22PM
there's at least one or two other companies that put out a movie every now and then. good luck with finding something you do like.
DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:29PM
punk is an attitude, not a haircut.

and i am alt's sweetheart and i have only one visible tattoo, and its not something that looks like i got it in jail like that thing on cassidey's tit.

 
DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:30PM
and also let me add... janine is one of porn biggest stars in mainstream and has a FULL SLEEVE
benderset
Deactivated User

477 Posts
8/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:31PM
Give me a movie with any of these girls and Im happy

Cassidey
Devon
Jesse Jane
Brea Bennett
Kristen Price
Carmen Hart
Jenna Haze

DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:33PM
good for you. go start a poll elsewhere.

god now im all fired up!

*howls at the moon*

benderset
Deactivated User

477 Posts
8/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:34PM
I have to say I do find Riley Mason to be very cute Ill watch her scenes. And I like your scenes just not these titles

Edited by - benderset on 12/28/2006 8:35:35 PM

OneLouder
Member

203 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 8:37PM
Look- "alt" is for those that want a change from the generic porn look that is all around. Personally I am bored by 90% of the porn I see.
If you don't like it, fine. As MM said above, there is plenty of product out there for you.

Edit; spelling

Edited by - OneLouder on 12/28/2006 8:39:14 PM

Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:04PM
Is howling-at-the-moon alt-behaviour? Any chance you can do it in the next movie you're in?

For the record, I think the vivid-alt movies I've seen, and anything Eon McKai's done, are pretty good work. I discourage anyone from avoiding alt-films just because the hype is suffering from hipatitis.

And for a definition of hipatitis:
Hipatitis - terminal coolness

Edited by - Ultrasiet2 on 12/28/2006 9:05:09 PM

Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:08PM
Can we say that alt is developing its own generic look? In the Pixie Pearl thread, a post recognised her as having the 'alt-look.' Whenever anyone says 'alt' I think of her look or Dana's. However, it could be argued that Charlotte Stokely is fast becoming alt's poster-girl.

I disagree that there is a generic porn look around. Do Tobi Pacific and Jenna Presley have the same look? They've got tits and pussy, and other human attributes.

Actually, whenever anyone says 'alt', I stop and wait for further instructions.

DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:12PM
pixie charlotte and i look nothing alike but we undeniably have our own personal style.
OneLouder
Member

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12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:26PM
I know what you are saying, and would agree.
Lexi Bardot
Member

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8/05
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:29PM
If it wasn't for alt, I'd be out of a job
DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:39PM
you guys are going to have to eat your hats when the doll underground and man ruin comes out. SUCKERS!
OneLouder
Member

203 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 9:59PM
Dana, I wasn't knocking you, your movies or VividAlt. I honestly wish you the best. I haven't got around to seeing any of these titles yet, but they look like something I would like.
I was merely conceding a point, that anything that is "different" becomes copied and cloned and eventually generic. Thats not to say the genre is no longer valid, or that there is no longer any talent or creativity.
Look at Punk, Hip Hop, Grunge, Drum & Bass, whatever..... it happens.
Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 10:10PM
Yes, but we won't be suckers with a generic look.
DanaDeArmond
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 10:15PM
uh yeah you will... fishnet tops are a generic look.

you people are admitting to never seening any vivid alt movie sand then saying its generic hot topic crap. i suggest you buy a few of these and form an opinion for yourself.

OneLouder
Member

203 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 10:26PM
Dana, Ultra has already posted that he owns several titles.
And I never said it was crap, I said it was something I might pick up.
I don't think I could have been any clearer.

Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 10:31PM
Dearest Dana, where has anyone said that it's generic hot topic crap? If anything, I may have suggested that the idea that it's a hot topic is crap, whereas the films are quite good. Except that's not really what I said either. I just think the categorising of the genre of alt-porn and the vocabulary of its justification is a bit silly and, let's face it, fair game for send-up. I'm not sure who 'you people' are supposed to be, but I'm a step ahead of you, having bought the alt-films I've mentioned above. I've seen Skater Girl Fever a few times as well as Art School Sluts (which is VCA but very alt) and I'm a fan of the films. I realise you're fired up, but we're not really disputing the same points.

Let's move the conversation to more fecund territory: what is your mindset making these movies? For example, when making DANA DEARMOND DOES THE INTERNET, which given its some sort of porn biography of your career, did you have any production or atmosphere ideas when making the film? Is the alt-movie for you all about the aesthetic, or do you see importance in the dialogue and the personality of the performers? What about the way alt-films are made, as you have previously said, 'humanizes' the porn star? What would an 'alt-porn' manifesto, similar to the Dogme manifesto Danish filmmakers developed in the Nineties, look like?

Edited by - Ultrasiet2 on 12/28/2006 10:37:51 PM

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