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BB88
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 7:35AM
Morning community
Wanted to start and curate this thread. Any porn girls (or guys) that either self identify (admit in interview or Twitter etc) that they are satanists OR they have tattoos that indicate (upside down crosses etc).
I can't remember the name exactly but Adriano did a scene with a girl named Zarrah I think who had a big upside down cross on her chest and a bumble bee tattoo coming outta her anus lol. Also noticed Amelia Dire has some upside down crosses tattooed on her.
Will add pics later. Let's get this thread going! Thanks!
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^Xander Corvus is a Satanist.
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I wrote last year:
I would assume that at least a few of Burning Angel's performers have anti-Christian ink, but none come to mind at the moment.
BB88
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 3:21PM
exactly...waiting on a few of our burning angel experts to weigh in
Cray
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Club Satan was a porno made by Satanists for Satanists.
 
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^I really do wish the director's cut was available. The producer's cut starts out strong but goes to shit.
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[mod edit: let's not link to that site. It reveals performers' real names, and it is also suspect in its accuracy.]
Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/12/2015 6:14:42 PM
mharris127
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Maitresse Madeline at Kink recently got a tattoo of an upside down cross on a casket on one of her armpits recently. IMO she has ruined any chances of continuing as a performer with that move (she also got another tattoo on her other armpit, I don't know the meaning attached to that one or even how to describe it) as most porn viewers are at least liberally Christian. She has also directed several scenes with satanic story lines recently. I suspect this will cost Madeline her job as a director and performer for Kink when her contract comes up again (Kink's owner Peter was raised a Jesuit and is probably getting pissed fast as to Madeline's choices as to her recent scene subject matter and her satanic tattoo) but for now at least those scenes are still available on sites she directs on Kink's website.
Aiden Starr also has a pair of leather shorts with an upside down cross on the front of them that she wears in scenes from time to time. Whether she actually identifies as a satanist or just wears those shorts as a joke I do not know unlike Madeline who is obviously deep into that cult. It has already been mentioned that Xander Corvus is an admitted satanist as well. Now you know whose scenes to avoid in the future if that subject matter offends you.
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Posted - Oct 13 2015 : 10:37PM
^There have already been multiple scenes on Kink mocking Christianity and Christian values in general as well as Catholicism specifically, so I have no idea at all why Madeline would lose her job.
There is no such thing as being raised a Jesuit. The Society of Jesus, the Jesuits, is a religious order of Catholic priests and brothers.
Here are some of the scenes at Kink that fit the description I opened with:
"Petite Blonde Lives out Fantasy: Nun Gangbanged by 5 Priests in Chapel" for Hardcore Gangbang.
"Sins Of The Flesh" for Whipped Ass (I love that scene).
"Sins of Sister Summers" for Sex and Submission.
"Filth and Sin" for Whipped Ass.
"Innocent Christian Girl is Made to Give up her Virginity on Film" for Bound Gangbangs (one of the greatest BGBs of all time).
"Bad Habits: Pray to her cock!" for TS Seduction.
"The Holiest of Holes: Anal Lesbian Blasphemy!" for Whipped Ass.
"For the Love of God - Starring Dahlia Sky in her First Gangbang EVER!" for Hardcore Gangbang.

Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/13/2015 10:49:20 PM

BritPorn
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Posted - Oct 13 2015 : 11:35PM
You should check out Iconfessfiles.com a Private spin off site. A bunch of UK girls confessing their sins in a confessional booth with a twisted priest
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Posted - Oct 14 2015 : 4:43PM
As I am not Catholic I don't know the specifics of the Jesuit religious order. Peter's father was a Jesuit priest as referenced in several write-ups about Peter over the years.
Also, several of the scenes you reference were directed by Princess Donna. I think the puncture of Cameron Bay's tit implant scandal was instrumental in Princess Donna's leaving Kink (I think when word finally comes out it will be said that her contract was not renewed due to her actions at Kink specifically referencing this incident) but it is very possible the Hardcore Gangbang/Bound Gangbang scenes you reference (three of them) may have also been part of the reason she is no longer with Kink -- especially if satanism was explicitly part of the scene (which cannot be determined from the scene titles) as many of Madeline's scenes are as of late considering Peter is very obviously a Christian (albeit a liberal one). TS Seduction has had several directors over the years so I would have to do more research (which I won't since tranny scenes do not turn me on) to comment intelligently on that. Marty is also no longer with Kink and he had directed Sex and Submission since its inception, his leaving Kink has not been discussed publicly but if that scene were blatantly satanic (which from the title I cannot determine) that could have been why his contract was not renewed as well (I would have to watch the scene to comment further). There is a big difference between a priest banging a parishioner or a Christian girl giving up her virginity scene/being gang-banged (mocking Christian values but not pushing satanism specifically) and a scene that is obviously satanic in content IMO. I think that difference will cost Madeline her job when her contract comes up for renewal if not earlier as her scenes are obviously directly satanic and at least most of the scenes you reference are not. I know I would be looking for a loophole in Madeline's contract to get rid of her if I were running Kink since her emphasis on satanism in scenes directed by her as of late will drag Kink down severely if her satanic scenes continue to be made and posted. Also, all future director's contracts would have a clause banning satanism from being part of any scene produced for Kink if I were running the company.
StoneSeduction666
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Posted - Oct 14 2015 : 7:48PM
So you're saying someone should be fired in an American company, in a country where there is allegedly freedom of religion, for their possible religious beliefs?
The studio companies themselves no doubt give the sign off/green light to do these types of scenes.
The last few years it seems that blasphemy porn is becoming a thing but it hasn't taken off big. It no doubt is a small genre.
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Posted - Oct 14 2015 : 8:01PM
^^Two questions:
1. What proof do you have that Peter Ackworth dislikes "Satanic" scenarios in porn?
2. What proof do you have that Peter Ackworth identifies as a Christian?
mharris127
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^ Over the years Peter has claimed to have been raised a Christian and said his father was at one time a Jesuit priest. I don't have any links handy (and at least one reference was on his Kink blog which was taken down several years ago) or I would give them to you. Since he is a Christian at least in background it can reasonably be inferred that he does not approve of satanic content. Even if he wasn't Christian he has to realize most people in the US are and he is likely losing customers at a fast rate because of Madeline's insistence on producing scenes that are obviously satanic in content. Peter has also said several times that his directors approve content for their sites. I think Peter is not keeping an eye on his company and the inmates are running the asylum as far as Madeline's sites are concerned (or maybe Madeline's contract contains a clause giving her final say over her sites which would cause problems if Peter intervened anyway). I would like to be a fly on the wall at Kink's weekly director's meetings just to hear how Madeline's sites are losing subscribers at a fast rate -- especially since it wasn't just a one-off satanic scene but at least two of them a month for the past three months. If Madeline continues to insist on producing obviously satanic content she will also severely limit her talent pool as (I think) most performers will not participate in satanic content either.
I also have to reiterate that there is a huge difference between mocking Christian institutions and producing obviously satanic content. We have a sense of humor when a scene shows a priest fucking a virgin but when satan worship is involved we as a whole get pissed fast! Satanic porn is also a ticket to an obscenity prosecution IMO with Madeline taking Peter down with her when it happens.
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Posted - Oct 15 2015 : 2:21PM
That he was raised a Christian and that his father was a former Jesuit in no way, shape, or form implies that he is a Christian today, nor is that evidence from which one can reasonably infer than he does not approve of Satanic content. Marliyn Manson is probably the most famous LaVeyan Satanist alive today, and he was raised Catholic. I myself was raised Catholic, am now an atheist, and have no problem at all with "satanic content."
Has the member response been more mixed than usual? Mostly negative? I'm no longer a member and don't pay attention. In any case, I would hope that most members wouldn't get so touchy about fictional porn scenarios.
Do you have any evidence to support your guess that "Madeline's sites are losing subscribers at a fast rate"?
What are the titles of the other scenes? I would like to watch the trailers.
 
StoneSeduction666
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Posted - Oct 15 2015 : 2:30PM
I totally agree with you! I was just browsing Madeline's scenes on Kink as we speak thanks to this topic. I've taken a look at the 5 most recent and so far I see nothing that seems to resemble Satanic content. The only thing that stands out is her famous nun scene.
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Many "liberal" Christians do not even believe in the existence of Satan (neither, incidentally, do LaVeyan Satanists, but I digress). Some of these are Jesuit theologians and Biblical scholars. I think that a lot of these Christians would view depictions of "satan worship" as silly and nonsensical, and would be a lot more likely to regards acts of sacrilege like what is depicted in "Petite Blonde Lives out Fantasy: Nun Gangbanged by 5 Priests in Chapel" (not shown in the trailer) as offensive instead.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/15/2015 2:55:35 PM
mharris127
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Posted - Oct 15 2015 : 11:39PM
Do you have any evidence to support your guess that "Madeline's sites are losing subscribers at a fast rate"?
What are the titles of the other scenes? I would like to watch the trailers.
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If I had any direct evidence I would have given it in great detail. Unfortunately since Kink is a private company no one but Peter, his accountant and directors have that information. However, knowing how skittish US viewers are about anything satanic I think it is reasonable to surmise that Madeline's sites are or will be losing subscribers quickly.
Hardcore Gangbang has "The Satanic Sacrifice of Carter Cruise". According to Madeline's Twitter another satanic scene is going up on Halloween as referenced in a post about Bella Rossi's costume which has a large pentagram in her breast area. Also on Madeline's Twitter is a reference and picture of a scene with Veruca James, Cherry Torn and Bella Rossi as female talent and Jay Wimp (Madeline's significant other) and Mike Panic as male talent, the picture has a large upside-down cross hanging from the wall. There is also reference on her Twitter feed where she is working caskets into as many scenes as possible this month which for someone prone to satanic scenes is likely a warning that more of the same is to come (scenes recorded now would show up in December or January). I recall reference to a couple of others over the past couple of months but they seem to not have been posted as of yet (or Peter came to his senses and took them down). Madeline has also recently got a tattoo of a casket with an upside down cross on it over her armpit which makes every scene she performs in as talent a reference to satanism IMO. There are also a couple of thinly veiled references to wicca in her Twitter feed (one is "All women are witches. Use your powers wisely. . . . ") which although not directly satanic is also reviled by most Americans. I need to take a closer look at her other sites for more titles (granted just because there isn't a reference to satan in the title doesn't mean such content is not in a scene, I am not a subscriber to her sites and fem-dom is not my thing anyway) but it seems like I have been seeing reference to satanic references here and there in Madeline's scene promotions for two to three months now. Even if it has only been a couple of months (scene turn-around at Kink is usually about two months) and they haven't been posted yet it will be a very interesting time at Kink over the next couple of months regarding the subscriber revenue of sites Madeline directs now that the scenes are due to be posted to her sites.
On July 22 Madeline made this post on Twitter: "My porn is about to get way weird. Ya'll been warned. What weird shit can I slip into my films and still have people jack off to it?". This is when she likely decided to go off of the deep end with her scenes. I hope I am wrong and this is just a short fascination with the occult. I am afraid it is not with her going so far as to tattoo satanic symbolism on her armpit, however.
Referencing Missporn's post, I do see where a scene of a nun being gangbanged would also be a problem. I am just addressing the most outlandish of Madeline's recent misadventures which is satanic content. To me that is more worrisome than a nun being gangbanged.
People have the right to their "religious" beliefs. However for a porn site diving into the satanic abyss like Madeline is doing is perilous at best. Loss of subscribers is a big problem but even worse is the likely looming obscenity prosecution from such scenes which could take more than just Madeline down -- Peter would likely be prosecuted as well as Madeline's direct supervisor. Even the most liberal community standards do not support satanic and wiccan content in porn, the SCOTUS has ruled more than once that obscenity is based on local standards of which San Francisco's (admittedly the most liberal in the country) would most likely apply here since it is internet porn and that is where it is produced.
To whomever made the post I am referencing: Since your post is long I took the liberty of editing the quotation from it, bringing it down to the point I am answering above to make my post easier to read and save server space. I apologize if I misrepresented your opinion in the editing.
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How do you know that? My sales numbers tell me another story.
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^^So, you have no evidence at all about Mistress' websites losing subscribers then, not even from member comments at the website?
A pentagram on Halloween doesn't seem too far out imo.
Why do you assume that an inverted cross must symbolize Satanism? It could just as easily be a protest against Christianity or even organized religion in general (as represented by Christianity) without being a reference to Satanism. As I mentioned on another thread, Zarrah, who was named as an example in the OP, said that she got her inverted cross tattoo because she's a fan of heavy metal. There are a number of explanations for an inverted cross tattoo besides Satanism.
Perhaps Mistress' tweet was a reference to LaVeyan witchcraft, which is actually just applied psychology? Who knows?
LaVeyan Satanism was founded here in SF and used to have its headquarters on 6114 California Street. I'm not sure how you concluded that the SF community is especially offended by "satanic and wiccan content."
Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/16/2015 12:18:46 AM
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Another classic mharris127 thread.
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I am puzzled why anyone would care if Porn would offend a Christian? Christians aren't even supposed to watch this evil filth (yes, I know a huge portion of porn business is from Christian men and understand the irony).
Satan only exists to Christians and the concept of an evil being only exists to religious folk; and more and more Christians are finally accepting he doesn't exist and was just a boogieman designed to keep people in line with the rules. Heck, The actual Church of Satan doesn't even believe there is actually a being named Satan. Sure, there are "theistic statanists" that decided to believe there was a real Satan and come up with all sorts of silly rituals; however they aren't even in on the joke
Not sure why Satanic porn should be a problem for the industry. Should we say that a nice Christian man would be horrified by Satanic imagery, but have no problem with an 8 man gangbang finishing up with the girl licking cum off a dirty toilet seat?
Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 11/8/2015 3:11:12 AM
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I'm glad this post was bumped up. I was just going to ask if anyone knows what happened to the XXX Horror site and the woman who owned it and was the director. I think her name was Mistress Ania or something like that. The site is never updated now and she hasn't been on Twitter in more than a year. I don't even know if she still is on Twitter. It's like she suddenly disappeared.
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Roxy Raye posted some pictures of crucifix shaped dildo on twitter a while ago.
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Johnny Thrust..wait a minute it was an inverted penis he had

Joking before anyone gets mad

 
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You should see what she did with a statue of the Virgin Mary,lets just say Mary is not an anal virgin anymore and Mother Teresa is still spinning in her grave at the thought of it all.
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^One of my favorite scenes of her's.
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holy shit!! haha
mharris127
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The KKK has its main administration office in Traverse City. Does that automatically mean the general populace in Michigan (or even just Traverse City) takes pleasure in hanging blacks and those that work for the NAACP from the trees every weekend? I think not (although admittedly Michigan is by far the most racist state in the US). Just because someone happened to start a satanic movement in SF doesn't mean the general populace supports it. BTW SF also has a large Catholic population (almost surely much larger than the satanist population although I don't know of the Census Bureau keeping numbers on the latter), I am sure they are deeply offended by satanic and wiccan content.
As for evidence of Madeline's sites losing subscribers, Peter does not release the subscriber numbers so short of getting a job in the accounting department at Kink I would have no way to get that information. I am not going to place much stock in the comments section as very few subscribers comment on videos. Common sense would tell most people knowledgeable about the US and its culture that the subscriber numbers are likely taking a dive right about now.
I will defer to Jacco as far as Western European sales numbers (his DVD business which sells Kink DVDs is based in the Netherlands). I will be very curious to see what the sales numbers are on Madeline's foray into satanic content when the DVDs are pressed and they start selling over there. However, Europe likely attracts less than 10% of Kink's revenue and especially in the Netherlands and France the culture is much more liberal than the US which may cause less controversy over there.
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There's support, and then there's indifference. I don't support a lot of things that I'm not opposed to. Either way, you're simply guessing about San Francisco's community standards and are suggesting without basis that your feelings about "satanic and wiccan content" are widely held in San Francisco.
There are no doubt Catholics in this city who are deeply offended by a lot of what goes on here. Fortunately, San Francisco is not what Salt Lake City is to Mormons or Grand Rapids is to Calvinists. The Church is not as big a power player here as you seem to imagine, or else this would be a much different city. Needless to say, a devout Catholic would be opposed to and offended by everything going on at The Armory, and to pornography and sex work itself.
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Translation: I have no proof at all, but I believe, alleluia!
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MOD:
Theft is not allowed here and asking people to steal for you is definitely not allowed here. If you want to watch adult entertainment support the artists who created it and purchase the content you wish to view. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't watch it.
Edited by - flash on 12/17/2015 11:14:08 AM
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^Sorry, but requests like that aren't allowed here.
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misspornUSA
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^I think she needs to use that on camera ASAP.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/8/2016 2:10:54 PM
 
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Charlotte Sartre has 666 in Roman Numerals tattooed on her chest (DCLXVI).
I don't know (or care) if she's a Satanist or not. I'm just providing info in case the tattoo helps anyone get off to her.
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Posted - May 8 2016 : 4:31AM
Maia Davis has a satanic themed gangbang shot with Kink. I tend to align with satanic values so I consider it a plus to have demonic content in my porn. I love the pentagrams in the Ass Worship logos that Jules Jordan used to put out. Also on the cover some Mike Adriano stuff you see a little devil face with "100% Anal" under it. Oh and Hail Satan :)
Do you guys remember when Julia Bond got an upside down cross tattooed on her chest area?
Edited by - Mutantmo on 5/8/2016 6:07:27 AM
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Anti-Christian doesn't mean necessarily satanist , many at Burning Angel are Jewish beginning from Joanna Angel herself
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^I know (I'd guess that the majority of anti-Christian or anti-religious individuals aren't Satanists), and being Jewish and Satanist aren't mutually exclusive as long as you're not a religious Jew. That would exclude Joanna Angel, but not others.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/8/2016 12:12:01 PM
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I don't remember there being anything Satanic about Maia's gangbang. As far as I recall it was just a nun/religious fetish scene. The scene was sacrilegious and blasphemous, but not satanic I think.
I liked Julia's ink. Too bad she's not shooting anymore.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/8/2016 2:12:18 PM
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I just meant that someone who is not Christian has no need to be sympathetic with them and that Christian symbols are meaningless to them , for example a cross right or reverted has no religious meaning to a Jewish hence it's not even satanist to them , also the Antichrist too means nothing to a Jewish , he should accept Christ in the first place to recognize the Antichrist

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^You're assuming a lot. Christian symbols carry meaning and even weight regardless of whether an American is Christian or not, because Christianity is part of American culture. A secular individual is not unaware that an inverted cross carries a certain meaning in American culture.
The term "antichrist" means something to Americans in general, regardless of whether or not they regard Jesus as the Christ.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/8/2016 5:27:27 PM
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^
Whatever the meaning of antichrist the "real" one will prepare the way for the return of Christ
A Menorah means nothing to me reversed ,right or diagonal , still I know its significance
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^Whatever the Biblical or theological concept of "antichrist" may entail, the term carries undeniable cultural significance in the US.
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^
you still miss the point , I'm not denying that, I'm saying that a reverted cross is a satanic symbol only for a Christian , its meaning weighs only for those coming from Christianity not Judaism a Satanist coming from Judaism would have different symbols related to his own religion , the very moment he accepts a reverted cross as a Satanic symbol he's also accepting Christ as related to God , otherwise it would be a joke , we despise all the other religions but our own EVERY DAY , if to use a religious symbol mocking it is already enough to be called satanists then we all are.
Edited by - LCF on 5/10/2016 9:39:21 AM
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You do realize that if that were true, it would mean that only Christians could be Satanists, since, in your view, the inverted cross " is a satanic symbol only for a Christian."
What makes you thinks that? If a Jew joins the Church of Satan, s/he adopts the same symbols as everyone else in the church.
The Church of Satan does not actually believe in God, so "accepting Christ as related to God" is a moot point.
Who suggested that " to use a religious symbol mocking it is already enough to be called satanists"?
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 10:59AM
See this is something I struggle with, as I am actually on board with most of the tenements of Satanism, which seems to be basically do what feels good so long as you're not impeding or hurting others, but to me it has SFA to do with Satan?
They even describe themselves as "skeptical atheists" and the perceived ideas of Satanism as Devil Worshipping, blood sacrifices etc is not Satanism? Is it?
And their "magic", especially "lesser magic" has nothing to do with magic at all..
Edited by - draghixafan on 5/11/2016 11:00:51 AM
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^It really just comes down to a rejection of Christianity and Christian values, and Satan (really more Milton's Satan than the Bible's) being an effective symbol of that. So something like the LaVeyan Black Mass is a celebration of anti-Christianity.
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Laveyian 'Satanism' was founded by a charlatan and wife beater. Read about him in Drugs Are Nice and in the interviews of his own daughter.
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^Based on my experiences using some of the methods in "The Satanic Witch", I wouldn't say that he was entirely a charlatan, but as to whether he was a wife beater I'm not interested enough to have a position.
I've read "Drugs are Nice" of course, but I don't know why I should take what Lisa wrote about LaVey as gospel, which isn't to say that it's isn't true. As for Zeena, much of what she's into is nuts and far crazier than anything in LaVeyan Satanism. While I agree with at least some of what she has had to say about her father (she's right to point out that many of the biographical details he gave about his life are unreliable), I'm agnostic about many of the others things she's had to say to about him.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/14/2016 1:10:54 PM
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Posted - May 15 2016 : 3:20AM
The police were called and he was charged for assaulting his wife. Several family members confirm his behaviour. I somehow doubt most consider the conduct of Catholic priests and the moral and political stance of the Church irrelevant to each other, I can't see why a different standard should be applied to fringe cultists.
Edited by - BlackSix on 5/15/2016 3:36:33 AM
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