Ok, this may seem a little odd, but I was just wondering if anyone has seen any scenes that feature guys who have noticable problems 'rising to the occasion'. I ask as I recently watched Big Natural Tits #5 and couldn't help but notice how one of the guys in the scene with Rita Faltoyano struggles throughout the scene to maintain a full erection. He's pretty well hung and seems to have a semi throughout, but apart from about 5 seconds worth, never gets hard enough to fuck Rita. For a large portion of the scene the guy takes more of a back seat role, just watching and fondling Rita while wanking himself trying to get hard. The other guy in the scene, Leslie Taylor, has no problems and gives Rita a good seeing to. Its only at the very end before the cumshots that he seems to have resolved the problem, although this may be partly due to Rita telling him to "come on!" six times.
Of course, you do see guys losing their erections from time to time in films, although its usually only a temporary problem, and nothing a quick jerk can't solve. But I was quite suprised to see an entire scene with a pretty big name actress, where the guy couldn't get wood.
I've seen it a couple of other times in British films as well. Strangely, one from Cathy Barry's 'Cathy's Diaries 2' and the other from 'Cathy's Diaries 3'. One guy couldn't even get a semi for the entire scene and his flaccid dick couldn't have been more than 3 inches for the whole scene.
I can understand why a guy might have such problems, but it seems odd that these scenes make it through onto the finished product. Why not just tell the guy to clear off and then just shoot the scene with the guy that can perform?
Can anyone think of any other scenes where a guy has noticable problems getting hard?
I was watching Gag Factor once and the guys obviously had some major problems getting it up in the one I saw. Maybe they're just cheating so they can advertise that every scene features a deep throat or something! Who knows.
When this happens i'd imagine maybe they're having a bad day and could it be possible they filmed more than one scene in an entire day and the guy is tired of something? Who knows.
Jack Napier, West Coast Productions primary male performer. Pick a scene.
Good guy, happy-go-lucky personality, monster tool, very likable, ladies love him, men are cool with him.
Can't keep a bone if his life depended on it.
BSD
P.S. - It may be because his meat is 1/2 his body weight, and for him to stay hard would mean that physiologically, something else would have to give. It's either keep wood, or remain conscious. I don't think he can do both.
Funnily enough I remember seeing a clip of Cathy Barry with Peter North (in what I assume is a scene from one of the 'Deep Throat This' series) where Peter is having real trouble keeping his erection while she gives him a lousy blowjob. I've never seen the loadman struggle like that before. Maybe she has that affect on guys!
In Sex Drugs and Rock N Roll the Guy Capo movie, Dick Smothers Jr. is in the first scene with Tony Sexton and a girl and he has problems throughout and is convienietly gone about halfway through the scene never to return!
Cut the guys a break....have you seen some of the non-big name gals?? It would be difficult for ANYONE to stay hard if they were blowing you. Most are attractive, but some are like "blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
I would think it's difficult to stay hard if you don't find the girl attractive.
Take Peter North....that scene mentioned above...Pete gives a moan now and then(kind of fake...maybe???). But, take the scene with Bella Donna in Deep Throat This #7, where he can't quit moaning and all (espicially when she deep throats him and licks his balls).
To get into Pete's psyche....it just "seemed" that he was more attracted to Bella Donna then some other stuff he has done.
But still WHY is wood trouble tolerated? Why does it make it to the final edit and thusly the vid WE rent or buy? It's distracting and a "mood" killer!!
I think it's only natural. When the male member is basically "designed" to work when the male has interest in the female...it's grand.
But, when the male DOESN'T have much interest in the female (i.e. lack of wood) I don't think you can blame the male pornstar. How excited could you be knowing you have to fuck or be blown by some nasty ass chick.
Now, to each his own though....I saw a scene where guys go limp with Wendy Night, and I can't imagine not standing at attention in front of Wendy...but I guess the guys I saw in the one porno weren't all that interested in her.
This is my point. I can understand why the guys might have trouble in the first place, not so much because they aren't attracted to the girls - afterall they are supposed to be pros, but because of nerves/pressure etc.. Bear in mind in my initial post I mentioned the scene with Rita Faltoyano, how any guy can't be attracted to her I can't understand! But its the fact that they carry on with the filming of the scene and that sometimes the scene actually makes it onto the final cut. You would have thought that maybe the director would have a cut off point and if a guy hasn't got it up after say an hour or two then he should just say "sorry pal, its just not going to happen is it?" and start over with the actors that could perform.
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Isn't ironic that IR gets so little attention, but as soon as a thread comes up dealing with issues in porn scenes, people come up with the names of black talent.
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Nov 16 2004 : 7:23PM
I take offence to what you have said so hence my posting.... If you have ever visited my site you would notice I DO NOT like using the term "black" and I don't include interracial as a genre for a few reason - mainly because almost every movie is interracial to some degree, even when it's not black on white performers.
Anyway, I watch A LOT of interracial movies, it just so happened the last movie I seen happened to have a black man had wood problems - I mean after all ALL the participants in the scenes were black.....
But to make you happy Steve Hatcher, a white guy, had plenty of problems keeping his dick hard in Dripping Wet Sex #9 - in his scene with Joey Ray and Jessica Sweet. Oh and the white guy in Perverted P.O.V. who was fucking Cherry Lane has some cock problems as well...
And if I'm not mistaken, Dick Smothers Jr. is white as well.
In Up Your Ass #3, Johnni Black gets fucked by Sean Michaels. Michael Black, supposedly her real-life husband, gets naked and attempts to jack off his little pecker. It stays pretty much soft the whole time, but he does manage to cum a little at the end.
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The point wasn't racism, the point was the only time some people speak about IR titles is when it's negative. Also let's not get anything twisted. We all know when people talk IR, 99%A of the time it's Black Male, White Female.
By the standards you mention, most porn is IR, but we all know that the women that tend not to do black men, do black women, so let's call a spade a spade. Be offended if you like, but I'm just here for conversation. YOu don't have to throw any white names in the mix now, if you felt that strong, you would have done so before I spoke.
Guys, sometimes it is not physical. Even if the girl looks hot she can be an unattractive person. I'm sure that 99 % of you get a boner in front of Rita Faltoyano or Belladonna but could you still get hard if a hot girl like her would say something really fucked up to you like she can't stand you, thinks you're ugly and a looser and would never even look at you if there was no money involved. Maybe you don't realize but if the girls is cold and ignores the guy she can be hot as hell it doesn't matter wood wise. I think every guy would rather fuck a not so hot chick that likes him and moans and screams like he is the best lover she ever had than the other way round. Always keep in mind: you are not there, you don't know what happend before the scene starts. Another thing: you never know what the edit out. I have high respect of guys that just got involved in an "anal accident", take a shower and return with a boner. If I was a guy I probably would even want to get my dick hard after a girl just shit all over me...
Please understand that I mean no disrespect towards you, and please take it in the good humor with which it is given, but if YOU, Katja Kassin , were to shit all over MY dick, as a result of an "anal accident", I WOULD BE THE HAPPIEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED!
A girl telling a guy the only reason she's there is for the money, even calling the guy a loser etc doesn't seem like it would deter most porn dudes from getting it up and fucking the shit out of the girl. Especially with the little blue pill being as prevalent as it is in porn. Regardless, sometimes fucking out of spite can be some of the best sex ever. I know of couples that would argue all the time, they'd hate each others guts but stayed together because the sex was volcanic, mostly due to the heated arguments and clash of personalities.
viagra can't make you horny when you are not. it is no aphrodisiac pill. if the guy does not like the girl and his mind is not up to fucking her it won't work. he could have 25 viagra with no effect. and believe me a girl can really fuck up a porn stud by telling him the wrong things right in his face. believe me I've seen it all happen...
I for one really like Jack Napier and try to see most of his titles. He appears to be a genuinely nice guy who gets along with most of the women he works with. I wish he would be used by more studios with some of the better female talent.
He does consistantly seem to have wood problems though. His problems seem to be increasing over the last year or so. Most of the time he just looks floppy, which is probably alot easier for a girl trying to fit that 14 inch dick inside her.
more reasons why a porno stud can't get wood even if the girl is hot as hell:
the guy could be sick maybe he didn't get enough sleep maybe he worked so much in the past that he just has a bad day he could have ate something wrong that upset his stomach he could have smoked too much weed he could have personal problems that stress him out girl could have bad personal hygene that turns the guy off the guy could have partied too much the night before and the alcohol fucked him up he could have had too much sex with the girlfriend the night before the directors voice during the scene or too many breaks can be a major turn off the location could be too hot and uncomfortable the husband or boyfriend of the girl is on set, watches and sticks his nose in everything too much man ass in multiple guy scenes and cocky arrogant male co workers frustrate fellow male talend during the scene
and then you have never been in a situation where you HAVE to fuck a girl maybe with all the pressure of unpaid bills on your mind seven days a week wheter you like her or not. you are just sitting on your couch jerking off to these girls and you dream of them having sex with you.
I admit that I have only done like 100 scenes, but the only major wood problem I experienced was for Vivid when I first entered the industry. I had to fuck Christie Lee on a log outside near a pond. There was a big pile of manure near where she was blowing me. There were 10 male crew members around. 2 of them were fishing during the shoot. 1 of the camera guys had his dog running around the scene. I was supposed to fuck her on an small ice chest (remember I am 6'5), and to top it all off the sun was shining, it was like noon on a saturday in march. It was horrible. I felt like a piece of shit. Oh well, what can you do. I fully expect to get some emails saying how is it possible that you couldnt get it up for Christie Lee? :) I can take it! Bring it on.
Katja, you're absolutely right with your last paragraph BUT... in my opinion some of the points you made about the porno studs are right (being sick, personal problems, stress...) because are normal people just as the watchers. But other points don't seem valid for me. I mean: weed, alcohol...?? C'mon, those guys are suposed to be professionals. I'm sure my boss will not attend any reason if I show symptoms of being drunk on my job and my task fails.
We're all human, but I think every worker in every job has some responsabilities. That's we all are being paid.
All I wanted to prove was that the looks of the girl sometimes don't matter because one of you said something like "so and so is so hot how can he not get hard..."
Also, I have to say that sometimes not even the hottest girl can get you going if you're fatigued. Oh boy, have I been there! On the other hand, when you're extra horny and fired up, your dick will get hard if the wind blows the wrong way. Same in porn as in life, though I'm not sure I could rise on command with all the lights, and the people running back and forth.
I would think that a female porn star would realize that, the more you talk down to your male scene partner that the harder it is going to be for the guy to get/keep erect. Thus, the longer the scene is going to take.
But, I guess a lot don't think that way.
Like I said....I read an interview with Peter North, and he said that he always can try to find AT LEAST one thing about the "girl" that he's attracted to and focus on to make himself stay erect and eventually pop.
If everyone had that attitude, porn would probably have less of the problems it encounters on the set.
I wonder what GaySatyr would make of this, I have't watched a lot of gay porn but it seems to me they take a long time to get down to any action. Obviously there could be a pre shot warm up and preamble that is edited out, but if a guy is being asked to dive straight in then he could go soft just out of self defense.
What is more annoying to me is when a guy's erection fails and he kind of panics and flaps his penis about as if that was going to get it erect. Like he can't retreat on defeat. Yet this still makes it to the release.
I avoid purchasing movies featuring guys with wood problems, by renting dvds and downloading trailers. It really kills the mood and i can't understand why companies put out this scenes on dvd.
They show Jake Malone injecting his penis with this caverject crap in the Behind the Scenes section at Meatholes. That seems a very serious extreme to go to just to get laid. If you can't get it up anymore, just give it up and find something else to do. How old is Malone anyway? He's got to realize he can't remain Lord and Master over his boner forever.
As far as scenes where dudes have wood problems, I don't think it's any secret that I'm black and though I'm risking offending my boy The Pocketcomb Pimp, I've got to tell you about John E. Depth in Lex Steele XXX 2 .
It's him, Toni Ribas and Lex and they're all taking on Ava Devine. Depth is pathetic here. He doesn't even manage HALF a hard-on in the scene and never does much more than get head from Ava. Obviously he can't fuck her because his dick is about as limp as noodles can get. It was pretty sad to watch.
As a brother and consumer, I don't have any problem holding other brothers to the same performance standards as anybody else when it comes to easily quantifiable endeavors. Like sports. And porn. Yeah, no stats are kept in porn, but most folks know the goods when they see it. Porn is too important to be left to the weak and unprepared.
I have made my unhappiness known to James Alexander of WCP , about their repeated use of John E. Depth, he of the less than stellar wood keeping ability, and the lame performances. For me, that guy has ruined more scenes than a little bit. Some with a few of my very favorite porn actresses.
That guy has got the look, and he's got the equiptment, but he just doesn't bring the noise. I realize that everybody ain't gonna be a fuck pig like Nacho, or a machine like Slayer, but they gotta come with somethin' to the table.
Unfortunately, caverject has been around in porn forever -- a lot longer than Viagra, which was just put on the market in the last few years! Tell-tale sign is the ugly blue bruise on the side of the cock ... it's a fine way to transmit blood to blood pathogens, including HIV ... While whatever pill a man pops is between him and his blood pressure, I heavily discourage -- i.e., stop hiring -- guys who use caverject on my sets.
I actually don't mind Jack Napier's wood problems. He's big enough limp that he can get away with it, and he seems like a nice guy that usually has good chemistry with the ladies. I have to agree with Clay. There probably aren't many girls that could take him on if he was "rock-hard" in every scene.
As for the issue of limp dicks in general, I'm glad that Katja brought up all of those great points. It's not just about how sexy the girl is. There are a lot of other factors. I, for one, don't think that I could even come close to getting aroused in front of a full camera crew. Nor do I think that I could maintain a hard-on in close proximity to another guy that was aroused. DPs, DVPs, and DAPs are fun to watch, but I could never do that in my personal life. I'm reminded of the episode of Family Business where that couple hired Seymore Butts to film them and the husband couldn't get a hard on with Seymore and Bishop in the room. Being a porn stud looks like it's fun, but I sure as hell don't think that I could do it, and I tip my hat to the guys that can.
Yea a guy fucking with a limp dick just kills a scene...even if he gets by on a semi the scene will suck
One of the main things for wood loss is either drug use or decreased testosterone...levels decrease as you get older...sometimes supplementing with androgel or a weak steroid/androgen can bring erections back to normal
I like watching IR, but notice that a lot of black performers have problems keeping stiff wood. Just watched Black Initiations 2 and was rather disappointed. The scene with Aspen Stevens was terrible. I don't know who the guy was, but he could not keep it up. The first scene with Mr. Marcus and Avy Lee Roth (who I think is pretty hot) went bad when Brian Pumper joined the party.
I've seen videos where Justin Slayer had issues. Darren James had issues as well.
The reason why these scenes are in the movies is because the studio just spent (at least)$1,500-$2,000 for that scene and they are not about to toss that money in the toilet.
If any company truly cared about putting out good product with heat, then the "kill fee" is the perfect solution. Can't get it up. Here's $100, goodbye. RE: girls. Show up with a bad attitude(fighting with your boyfriend, partied all night, whatever) and the scene reflects it. Kill fee, goodbye.
Jack's currently exclusive to West Coast -- I just met him for the first time at Asianmodelpalooza and was so impressed by his style and attitude I'd be filming him already, otherwise ...