"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Oct 26 2015 : 10:18AM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 28 2015 : 8:35PM
Yeah, that is a fair point. I guess people could refuse to work for him or anything under his company; but work is slim pickings at times so that is probably a non factor. He didn't get the verbal "calling out" that he should have though. I mean, even a male performer should be a bit upset the man hiring him to have sex with Sheena was not telling him they were barebacking in private. It's one of those things that could have seriously damaged the industry; but there was no outbreak so it just gets forgotten as reckless behavior. If HIV ended up being spread in the talent pool it would have been more serious than any recent outbreak due to the intentional disgregard behind it. Ah well, move on I guess. Sheena is not going to make much money in this business anymore and he will continue to roll it in. I just hope it doesn't happen again with someone else.
^My fear is just quoting this risks reopening this discussion again, after it was (wisely in my view) moved to another to another thread back on the first page (and this line of discussion also got Sheena's prior thread locked) jmo
^Dude, this story has been covered up enough already, I commend the mods for not stopping this discussion. As of right now I can only find 1 single google article about this incident, which is not good enough for such a dangerous situation. Like I said Stagliano is still making movies doing the same thing in scenes with girls which is wrong, it's wrong how easily he got away with this. Atleast Sheena is paying for her mistake.
^The post I was responding to , quoted a part of an argument about the very nature of HIV itself, which is a topic all of it's own. It's an argument that the mods indeed did view as off topic(in the last thread) ,from what I've seen, and that's a view that I agree with. As a physician that has published research on HIV's structural biology and pathogenesis,refraining from jumping in is difficult, but I defer to the moderators and their judgment. That's all I'll say on the matter.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 30 2015 : 4:38AM
So he shouldn't even touch the women? That seems absurd. There are safe ways to have what Bill Clinton would call 'sexual relations' with someone with HIV, masturbation being the most obvious. I recall in one of his videos with Kristina Rose he clearly jerked off to orgasm with his face buried in her clothed ass. Who cares? Now the unprotected sex thing, I don't know enough about the situation to comment, this thread is the first time I've heard of it. Guess it happened during my hiatus from the forum.
^No he should not, because this is exactly what lead to his BTS-romance with Sheena Shaw. It was all perfectly fine and safe untill they ended up having actual intercourse. There is no guarentee that Stagliano isn't going to have another one of these 'sparks' with another performer that leads to the same thing down the line. This crime was too serious to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore and IMO he should be perma-banned from the industry which I know will never happen.
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FlacFan Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 30 2015 : 10:58AM
^ You only have to look at the industries response to attempted murderer Marc Wallace to see how they respond to this. he infected at least 4 women, falsified tests, delayed taking tests, has never, that I have seen, admitted he did anything wrong, yet at one time was back in the biz behind the camera. You'd think after what happened to his wife, Tricia Devereaux, he'd have a bit more of a caring attitude. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
^You admitted that you had a long "hiatus from the forum" so this is why you have no idea. We all saw the tweets Sheena Shaw made herself AT THE TIME. And right after that her career was pretty much finished. Nobody who saw it all unfold denies that Stagliano lacked enough self control(Sheena too) to have sex with her. The only questions are when it happened and did Sheena still work with other performers afterwards. Regardless, what we do know should be enough to ban both of them imo.
^Actually when you add the "but" to your comment than you are in fact sort of excusing what he did. In this case it would be what they both did but you know what I mean.
#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03
Posted - Nov 4 2015 : 1:04AM
You are, of course, correct, but you're wasting your time trying to talk to these guys. They read it on teh internet, therefore they "know" it and it must be true.
^We read it from the official twitter of the performer in question and her real-life actions coincide exactly with her claims. Apologists like you, one of many, are likely part of the reason Stagliano got away with this so easily.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 5 2015 : 2:19AM
Twitter comments are not exactly a strong source either, particularly from someone who may have an axe to grind for whatever reason. Seems like there would have to be some actual you know, reporting and investigation by those people called reporters before one could really comment on it.
^I was a big fan of Sheena's, but her tweets around that time (before and during) really got out there. For awhile--and seemingly overnight, she was tweeting anti-porn feminism, posting photos of anti-porn books, talking about the false sense of pride taken from people liking her scenes, etc. ... then, she unfollowed almost all of the industry people ... then the Stagliano stuff started up, but she seemed to be back in porn...or at least trying to be. I kind of gave up following at that point. I think that it's pretty clear that she was upset (disheveled, even) and likely had an axe to grind. That said, I honestly couldn't say where the truth was. There are always two sides to a story.
^ Like you said, there are always two sides to a story. I don't know who is guilty ans who is not. I just know that Sheena was/is one of the top porn actresses right now. That's all, I miss her.
^ I just love her as a performer. The way she fuck, the way she talk, the way she move, her face expression and her voice when she talks dirty... her tiny body and her huge hunger. Her scenes were always great and I was never disappointed.
That sounds exactly like a woman who is bitter because she got rightfully blackballed from the industry. Those tweets also contained a photo of her pregnancy test results courtesy of Stagliano's seed. There is no doubt in my mind that he had sex with her, I think only an apologist would deny it at this point. I remember when Katie Summer filed her lawsuit, Stag's wife and others were very quick to defend him. Also when Rob Black made other accusations like the story about Monica Santhiago, again his wife was quick to defend him online. But this Sheena Shaw situation? Everyone was remarkably quiet, despite this story being the most damaging to his reputation so far. Very telling.
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FlacFan Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 5 2015 : 7:37PM
This is the most troubling part after what happened to Trish Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 6 2015 : 7:23PM
Lack of evidence is not evidence. Often in situations lawyers or common sense will tell you to not say anything as that just adds fuel to the fire, particularly on the net. As this thread demonstrates people will start to speculate based on very little. I didn't see the test results but they in and of themselves don't demonstrate anything definitive about the nature or timing of their supposed relationship.
"I didn't see the tests" in other words you don't know what you're talking about. And your point about not wanting to draw attention doesn't apply because his wife has already drawn attention to smaller stories than this, and they were from people who don't have much credibility on porn forums like R. Black. Responding vehemently against Rob Black claiming that Stagliano penetrated Monica Santhiago in their scene, but being completely silent about Sheena Shaw claiming to have intercourse with him and showing proof that he impregnated her? They were always vocal to defend his reputation, but apparently his reputation is least important when it comes to a story that has completely wrecked it the most. I think it's time for another hiatus from the forum for you. Edited by - 2bollocks on 11/6/2015 7:32:59 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 6 2015 : 7:40PM
You are the one being belligerent, why don't you take a break tough guy? It it your inability to discuss things civilly that will lead to the thread being shut down, yet again. Edited by - BlackSix on 11/6/2015 7:42:35 PM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 6 2015 : 7:53PM
Think everyone needs to calm down here. *allegedly* Sheena had sex with an HIV positive male while performing and may have got pregnant from him (implying they had bareback). well, she has got her punishment for it as she won't be getting much work. The male, didn't have much in the way of consequences, it is what it is. In reflection, it is difficult to drop a heavy hammer on either of them because we all know how reckless porn performers can be when they are out drinking and partying and hooking up with people not part of the tested talent pool. All the talk focuses on HIV however there are several STI's performers get more than once in their career that are just not talked about in any open dialogue. When sex is your living and you eat and breathe it, I would suggest it is far easier to make impulsive or reckless sexual choices that most of us would not make in our personal lives. They do live in a different reality than the "real world" and that does affect judgement. This is the porn industry; not a beacon of moral authority. I think we all should just move on and hope it doesn't happen too often in the future.
#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03
Posted - Nov 6 2015 : 10:17PM
If you look in the previous thread, jrv discusses the cheapie test she bought, and why it was unreliable and basically meaningless (except for people who won't let inconvenient facts get in the way of what they "know.")
^LOL. Care to enlighten us all as to who got it from this specific situation, particularly given that it's in the past and done with? (Though I do appreciate the poetic, albeit self-righteously hyperbolic, overstretch...)
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 7 2015 : 5:28AM
Found it, thanks, he also brings up questions about the timeline of the tweets.
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FlacFan Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 7 2015 : 4:19PM
My main point was about Tricia's reaction to this situation, which she changed her story on and is now insisting that she became infected outside the industry, this was after years and a lot of evidence that it was in fact from inside the industry. I know nothing about Sheena's situation, it does seem self destructive to your career, not to mention your life, to have sex with a + person, I can't understand how someone would be annoyed about a negative industry reaction to an action that could bring down the entire industry. Totally illogical. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
Ugh, after watching her new gaping scene with Alysa Gap for Jay Sin, which was shot in Europe, I can't help but feel bitter about her being marginalized by the industry, because she's as gorgeous as ever, it's like she never left. I'm sure she's perfectly healthy, so that's not why they have isolated her, it's just that John Stagliano is one the most powerful men in the biz and he surely used that power in this matter. So there's that, once again it's a pity because she could have become a legend.
#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03
Posted - Feb 10 2018 : 12:33AM
Right, right, that must be it. It can't be because she has no figure to speak of, so can't do big tits/big ass movies. It can't be because she's too old to pass as a teen, and is nobody's idea of what a MILF looks like, so isn't going to be hired for any of those kinds of scenes (which seem to be almost all that anyone is shooting these days). It can't be that a pivot to G-G scenes is out of the question because her past work leaves her way too covered with icky boy cooties for the G-G obsessive weirdos to deal with. It can't be that her particular talent - a willingness to have large objects shoved up her ass - has been previously and thoroughly exploited by just about everyone interested in shooting such content. (Plus, you can now sit in your living room and watch cam girls from Colombia to Kazakhstan enthusiastically shove large objects up their asses for the electronic equivalent of wooden nickels.) No, the only logical explanation is that Evil Porn Overlord Stagliano has decreed from his deceptively pleasant Malibu aerie that Sheena is not to be hired - except by a guy who releases his (large objects being stuffed up asses) stuff through Stagliano's own company (because that will craftily disguise his devious plan, or something).
So, what is going on with Sheena is she back in porn? Does she even have an active twitter account? She had a new scene with Anna de Ville and Charlotte Sartre come out but it was another extreme anal lesbian scene with Jay Sin. I'm not really a fan of that stuff but if that is your thing she shot that. I am more into regular B/G. Is there any chance she does a B/G scene again?
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A_Fan Deactivated User
1187 Posts 9/16
Posted - Apr 12 2018 : 1:31AM
^she isn't getting called for B/G... that whole issue from the past that blackballed her seems to still be in force. Not even Legal Porno will book her and she would be perfect for them and a huge seller on their site.
Color me amazed if the reason she isn't getting booked is because of her being blacklisted. I'm not exactly sure of what happened with her, but I was really hoping to see more from once she appeared in two of Jay Sin's releases. Damn. One of the best of all time imo.
her latest evilangel scene with Brittany Bardot & Angel Wicky https://www.nachovidalhardcore.com/nl/Sheena-Shaw-Brittany-Bardot-Angel-Wicky-Scene-01/screenshots/132214
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Jaygatsby777 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 28 2018 : 11:41PM
I can't access the scene. Also is this new or old?
Sheena Shaw @ AEBN
Posted - Oct 26 2015 : 10:14AM