Greetings, I'm a noob here, but I'm a veteran member of other forum sites (Legal Porno, Kink.com, etc). I'm curious and hoping to get some feedback from fans and performers alike. As the adult industry seems to be getting more permissive and mainstream, many taboos/fetishes are more social excepted now (gang bangs, bondage, forced fantasy), so I'm curious about some female performers who "hold back". I understand that everyone has limits and top female performers will generally earn more per shoot than men, so therefore they aren't as willing to do the more extreme scenes. However, I do notice as some starlets age, they become willing to turn to more extreme scenes. Maybe I've just been desensitized over the years (in my early 40's), but now when I see a beautiful woman getting fucked, I find myself disappointed by those ladies who don't swallow (spitters are quitters?). And I enjoy vaginal sex as much as the next guy, however if a girl is not willing to do anal, I'm a bit reluctant to explore her work any further. I mean pretty girls having vaginal-only sex in high heels and not swallowing a load can only go so far. It's so vanilla...it's actually a turn off for me now. Any thoughts? Thanks for your time, Necro
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - May 4 2016 : 11:50PM
There is enough porn to suit you. All girls should not do anal or swallow.. they should do what they want and if they don't like those things... that is ok. The BG Vaginal market and the GG market is huge in the USA... far bigger than DP DAP Gangbang stuff..... so, girls do not have to do that if they don't want to. The "harder" stuff pays more per scene of course, but they all should do what they want. You can't possibly watch every porn scene released by every performer, so why does it matter if there are some that don't do it? Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/4/2016 11:50:53 PM
Thanks for your feedback. I'm not an expert by any means. Guess I need to narrow this down for more focused discussion. Bottom line: I'm wondering if anyone else's porn tastes have changed over time and become more extreme or fetish oriented (anal, swallowing, piss, bondage, etc.)? If so, is "vanilla" porn less interesting to you now? Thanks Cindy! Kind Regards, Necro Edited by - necroman on 5/4/2016 11:56:55 PM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - May 5 2016 : 12:58AM
To answer... I like all kinds of porn, I like variety... I watch a lot of Legal Porno, and am a double anal fanatic and that is my favorite sex act in porn. I also enjoy seeing softer porn too,and like to mix it up. Porn can be desensitizing. If you watch a particular standard for a while, eventually you need to "turn up the heat' to get excited...... repetition can get boring for people So long term porn consumers, who watch several hours of porn a week like most of us here on ADT, will tend to want harder stuff... more people, more cocks, Dp's, bodily fluids, and whatever else..... A huge swath of porn buyers in our countries are not hardcore like this... they just watch a bit here and there so they are happy with a BG no-anal scene with a hot girl, or a hot lesbian scene. There is a market for everyone. most of us here at ADT get out our pitchforks and torches at Asa Akira going all condom; guess what, out side of ADT she is still one of the most well known and popular porn performers in the universe. We seem to forget we are really a niche here. More porn watching tends to lead a person to want more harder stuff and more intensity otherwise boredom may set in. My porn tastes started with renting VHS in the early 90s and rarely did I see an anal scene in all these titles. As I got more into porn I craved harder content..... I evolved... it helped my sex life and evolved my sexuality with people I was with...... I certainly am not the same sexual being as I was 20 years ago and porn has a lot to do with that. We all evolve if we watch it on a long term basis and that is a very cool thing. Porn can be an absolutely glorious part of the human experience if approached in a healthy way , and it is used to help drive your own sexuality. This is my thought. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/5/2016 1:04:18 AM
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Posted - May 5 2016 : 2:05AM
I watch a wide variety of porn. I eat a wide variety of food. Without question I would prefer a properly cooked steak and potato over any other food, but if I ate steak and potato for every meal I would grow tired of it in no time. So to me the question isn't should all girls do anal and swallow, the question is what will you turn to next when you burn yourself out on anal and swallowing? That said, hooray! Yet Another Everyone Else Should Conform To My Tastes thread. We just don't get enough of those around here. [o\|]
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PlanZ Deactivated User
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Posted - May 5 2016 : 5:07AM
" Yet Another Everyone Else Should Conform To My Tastes thread. " Indeed. The intolerance and bigotry show on here by some posters towards other people's sexual preferences or even their sexuality simply defies belief. You'd expect aficionados of pornography to be liberal minded, open and laissez faire on the issue, but there is often little evidence of that here.
I too get cross when people expect the industry to cater solely to their tastes, although I'm not sure that's necessarily the case here. What is interesting is whether increased use of porn leads the viewer inexorably towards more and more extreme content. I agree that over-use of porn can lead to desenitising, but in my case, rather than lead me to search for extremes I find myself becoming more and more restricted to one or two fetish genres. This has been the case for a while now but I still find the more extreme stuff to be just as much a turn off as it was when I first picked up an adult VHS film all those years ago.
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Posted - May 5 2016 : 6:33AM
If the girl wants to make a living she better be willing to do it all, prissy cum dodging porn stars like Annette Haven are a thing of the past.
Then how come thoe like Dani Daniels are such huge stars when they don't 'do it all'? The pay for anal may be higher, but if you do enough work you can do more than just make a living.
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Posted - May 5 2016 : 7:11AM
She doesn't do anal but she does do Group,IR,Lez and Swallows cum. Some girls(very few) are hot enough to get away with not doing 1 or 2 of the "harder" things but a girl like Annette Haven would be laughed out of a studio today.
Thanks for the feedback. I enjoy reading all the comments and I have thick skin so please don't hold back :) I suppose this thread topic "Should all girls do anal and swallow" was framed to elicit a response one way or another. Some background to my post: I started into porn early, sneaking Playboy and Penthouse, watching grainy cable channels, renting VHS cassettes and then buying DVDs. Now I basically download for free or buy memberships to sites I like (currently into: Evil Angel, Hardcore Gangbangs/Bound Gangbangs and Team Skeet). BTW I always search online discounts first - got a year membership for $60, normally costs three times that. Recently, I've seen some very elegant romantic porn - pretty tan blonde girl with clear high heels, gets taken on white sheets in every vanilla position, then finishes with cumshot on her chin as she stares playfully into the man's eyes...fade to black. I "should" in general like this type of scene (it's well done, beautiful models, HD, etc.) but I find myself skipping through the sex, disappointed and thinking to myself "why didn't he suck her toes?, "why "didn't she swallow his load?", "why didn't he pull her hair?", etc. So another trip to Hardcore Gangbangs it is. :) My tastes are no longer Annette Haven, but Annette Schwarz. Thanks.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 5 2016 : 8:41AM
Annette Haven wasn't a 'cum dodger' and did a lot of very kinky movies she just didn't take shit from directors from what I hear. But no, I haven't developed the need for 'harder' porn even as I became very familiar with the genre (I don't see why swallowing is harder or kinkier btw). The more I explored pornography it did open my tastes up to rougher porn and S&M and various kinks but I also developed a taste for g/g, which most porn fans consider on the softer end of things, and solo masturbation, JOI and even sites like Kiss Me Girl that sometimes have no explicit sex in their scenes. From the beginning it was often the tease sequences that I found the most sexy in gonzo and I still often find that today.
no. girls should perform the sex acts they enjoy. they aren't robots or blowup dolls. they are humans who like/dislike different things. Edited by - yourmomma on 5/5/2016 10:21:13 AM
Lol - I processed this as Annette Schwarz and was like WUT. Haven didn't do facials, it's true. Who cares? She became a megastar regardless. I guess that says it all. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 5/5/2016 12:06:45 PM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - May 5 2016 : 1:15PM
Stop being a cheap ass and pay for your porn. If you can't afford the minimal costs of porn perhaps a new career path is in order.
Stars should eventually do as many different fetishes as possible throughout the course of their career but they should pace themselves with those fetishes and not overdo any one fetish. And they shouldnt do anything they arent comfortable with. That's why I dont like the European business strategy where stars are doing dps within their first week. I would like to see stars take this pacing further and start out doing only soft nudes, like Eva Lovia did. Also mix things up with artistic shoots and softcore shoots along with hardcore shoots.
They should perform acts they are comfortable with and be compensated accordingly. Edited by - fanofman on 5/5/2016 1:36:25 PM Edited by - fanofman on 5/5/2016 1:37:31 PM
Thanks for the insult Cindy and for your judgmental attitude. Seems contrary to your "free thinking" mantra. And for your information sweetheart, there is "free porn" actually legally available. But what would a "cheap ass" like me know. Private message me so we can talk further if you'd like to continue your insults. It gets me excited. :) Thanks, Necro. Edited by - necroman on 5/5/2016 7:28:37 PM
In the BTS of 'Cum Swallowing Whores 2' the director Francesca Lè yells out: "And if you can't swallow you should get the fuck outta porn!". (But then says she's only joking.)
Porn is market driven. Girls that "don't" do whatever, limit their consumer base. Smaller consumer base = less demand. Do what you want to do, but don't bitch about lack of offers. That being said, good performances are always appreciated, and should be rewarded.
Here is the funny part.... you make a post HERE that says that YOU have a thick skin and nobody should hold back. I put that to the test and have a bit of fun with it, and you break down crying and start attacking me in multiple threads. Don't make such statements about thick skins if you don't have one. Thank you Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/6/2016 3:01:46 PM
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Posted - May 6 2016 : 5:01PM
My assumption is he thinks tube sites are legal because they are free to watch.
they are interesting... I mean, you get a guy who says "don't hold back I have a thick skin" ,and when you challenge him and do exactly what he requested, he gets hostile , cries, and stops posting and runs away. what can you do?
^ Maybe he's Donald Trump I feel the performer should be comfortable with what they're doing. I've heard a few horror stories. The old line that a performer doing something they're not comfortable with often kills whatever heat there might be in the scene. I will say I tend to go for the more "vanilla" type scenes, but if the performer likes doing harder scenes and I find them attractive, I will follow them like Vicki Chase. I have been buying some Adriana Chechik dvds, but she does some pretty hard scenes. I bought Darkko's Ultimate Slut dvd months ago, but haven't watched it (or even unwrapped it). Might take a while to watch that one.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 8 2016 : 2:08PM
Maybe Necroman is my Granddad?
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Posted - May 8 2016 : 5:23PM
No way. Some of my favorites down the line stay favorites because of the fact that they never went too far: Ashley Jensen, Staci Silverstone, Kylee Reese come to mind.
In his defense they are more or less legal. I think they are morally corrupt and should all be put out of business but until someone comes up with a way to do that than tube sites still remain super popular because it doesn't require the viewer to pay for what he or she is about to watch. I avoid using the word free because we all know that it isn't. Someone like you and me paid for that scene to be created when we bought the movie or a membership to the site from which it was stolen.
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Posted - May 9 2016 : 11:45AM
I agree! Why do girls enter the porn industry if they arent going to do everything? Even regular girls swallow and do anal these days, so its highly disappointing when a supposed "professional" refuses to do the same!
What.Are.You.Talking.About? It's opinions like this that give the rest of us men a bad name. Who are these 'regular girls', and how do you know what every woman does and doesn't do? I can assure you that not every woman does anal, whether in porn or otherwise, and it is entirely up to them what they feel comfortable doing.
What? Expecting sex performers to perform sex acts, makes me crazy and gives men a bad name?! Sorry dude, but I kinda disagree! In my experience, I have yet to meet a girl who didnt swallow - and about half the girls Ive met like some anal action! With the passage of time, eventually most if not all girls will do anal... women enjoy it, men enjoy it, so it is inevitable!
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Posted - May 9 2016 : 3:41PM
Unless you are super human and can watch every porn scene ever made; why does it annoy you if some performers don't do certain acts? I would think, since you can only exist 24 hours per day, that there are enough performers doing anal and swallowing that you can fill all of your waking hours watching porn scenes. Why get all worked up about scenes you won't be watching? Let me ask you... if you are watching Porn Girl A in a great anal scene; do you get all stressed out knowing somewhere in the world Porn Girl B just filmed a vaginal scene and won't do anal? Why not just treat porn like this...... decide on what you like to see, and then go see it. Ignore the stuff that doesn't provide you the interests that turn you on. PS - you don't need to put your sex life over in order to make your points about porn performers. Although I would wonder how you talk, act, or treat girls who say no to your "everyone does anal, so should you" approach during all of your conquests. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/9/2016 3:44:08 PM
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Posted - May 9 2016 : 3:45PM
^^ Not everyone enjoys it. So expecting everyone to do it is unrealistic. Even if you have Wilt Chamberlain levels of experience, (which I seriously doubt) your experience amounts to 0.000000001% of the population, and is utterly meaningless. It's pretty obvious that there are plenty of performers who have no interest in swallowing or doing anal. Take Nicole Aniston for example. She clearly has an aversion to cum and many of here scenes take a turn for the worse when it comes time for a pop shot anywhere near her face or mouth. Yet many of here scenes get more exciting towards the end if she's getting creampied as her enthusiasm and dirty talk both ramp up. I wouldn't want Nicole Aniston to swallow simply because it makes for a worse scene. On the flip side, not every performer likes to get creampied so it would be unrealistic of me to expect all of them to do it simply because I like some Nicole Aniston scenes that ended that way. Enjoy whatever you like but don't expect the entire world to conform to your preferences.
Porn is just a hobby... nobody will die if they dont see their fave girl perform the way they want lol! But, wishing that they do their best and make every effort to please, is and should be expected. Just look at all the excitement when a girl does her first anal scene lol! Or even when a lesbian star does her first Boy/Girl scene etc. The reality is, that anal is quickly becoming the norm in hardcore porn. When a girl refuses, you have to wonder why she bothered to enter the industry. Maybe she should stick to softcore or amateur? And Im not bragging about my conquests - trust me Im not a rock star lol. All Im saying is that anal is quite common now - which is even more reason why it should be expected in porn!
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - May 9 2016 : 6:44PM
By that line of thinking, every NBA player should average a quintuple double. But I still want to know why the porn that I watch and enjoy (that you clearly don't watch and enjoy) should have to be changed to conform to your liking? It appears you borrowed your reasoning from the anti-porn censorship crowd. It's not enough for them that they can choose to change the channel and watch something more to their liking. The mere idea that something is on they don't approve of is too much for them to handle.
I don't think ALL girls should do anal and swallow, each performer has their own set of limits of what they will & won't do on camera and some girls just aren't as comfortable doing anal and I'm perfectly OK with that.
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Posted - May 9 2016 : 7:53PM
Hate to break the news to you, but let me try...... 1 - a person can do what they want with their body; they are under no obligation to appeal to any segment of the porn marketplace. Their earnings are their business; and if they are satisfied with their level of income at "no anal" , then that is their amazing choice. Not yours. 2 - There are a lot of people out there who love to see a woman perform oral, strip, dance, get fucked in the vagina, , and make out with other girls. There are a lot of people who spend money on scenes without male/female anal. Many performers have made tens of thousands of dollars a year without one anal scene. So, if people are paying for it, and companies are paying the performers for it, why should it be blackballed. 3 - Porn provides content for every one's tastes..... it should never segregate one field out and say "everyone does this or fuck off". That is a terrible way to view the world. I could literally take your "logic" and apply it to my favorite porn sex act, double anal. Should I proclaim throughout the forum that "Double Anal should be expected; otherwise ,why the heck do these girls even bother to enter porn". "10% of the girls I meet in my personal world are willing to try it, eventually it will be all of them. So get with the program, this is expected!!!!! " You may say "oh that's ridiculous"... but only because of your own bias, not logic or reality. You are talking through a bias that thinks sex is pointless without anal and girls that don't do anal are not worth your time. That is your choice; focus on the girls you want and leave the rest of them to their own lives. You also fail to answer why, when you can fill all of your porn watching time with girls who do anal; that it bothers you that some girls do not do it. Why do you care about porn you will not bother watching? Yeah you are trolling me, but I felt like joining in. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/9/2016 7:56:12 PM
Women in the industry should do what they want and only what they are comfortable doing. As or my tastes. I have specific tastes, and there's a whole slew of specific performers not in mainstream porn that perform them, and do them well. Plus, some of my favorites, like Sara Jay, have never and will never do anal scenes, and that's perfectly fine. ----Dread's Twitter----
I feel the performer should be comfortable with what they're doing. I've heard a few horror stories. The old line that a performer doing something they're not comfortable with often kills whatever heat there might be in the scene. I will say I tend to go for the more "vanilla" type scenes, but if the performer likes doing harder scenes and I find them attractive, I will follow them like Vicki Chase. I have been buying some Adriana Chechik dvds, but she does some pretty hard scenes. I bought Darkko's Ultimate Slut dvd months ago, but haven't watched it (or even unwrapped it). Might take a while to watch that one.