I have to give credit to Brazzers, they are the best on the net with porn but I would loved to see them make an IR series from them. I know they did some IR scence in the past with Lexington Steele. Most of the IR website have the ghetto sterotype theme in them and that is why I turn way from it. I think that Brazzers can do an IR series done right without the ghetto crap like the other scene do. Pluse get some new black male performer that does act like a thug. The only IR i enjoy is from Jules Jordan, Mercenary, Black Ice, and Justin Slayer. IR fans deserve a better then those ghetto themes.
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 8 2010 : 10:37PM
The first thing to do is to stop calling IR anything with a black guy while categorizing every other minority as regular people.
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Master D Deactivated User
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Dude do you have a problem with IR. I just don't like how IR sometimes used the sterotype ghetto theme like Blacks on Blondes or something from Huh Huh. I like how Brazzers does to there scence that some IR website don't do.
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 8 2010 : 10:56PM
English is like your 3rd language isn't it? I don't think you get the just of an English paragraph.
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I don't want to started a fight on here ok but this is not grade school. Edited by - Master D on 2/8/2010 11:42:49 PM
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This is not a fight, you just don't seem to understand the context of what I'm writing. Even others have had to explain it to you. Maybe you are young, I'm not sure. Nothing wrong with not understanding English well but to make things short, I am not against IR, I am against IR including only one group of people. I hope you understand that.
C'mon guys lets stay on subject,,,Can't see Brazzers doing an Interacial series but do agree it would be a good thing,,,Enough support in places like ADT may just catch someones attention from Brazzers but I would not hold out for that one.
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 2:15AM
That actually IS the topic. When we're talking about 'IR' what exactly are we talking about?
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Master D Deactivated User
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Ir is short for Interracial Edited by - Master D on 2/9/2010 2:21:31 AM
Just out of interest Master D what theme would you suggest that would make this genre of better quality? and do you agree that the ghetto themed interracial scenes tend to be those with a lower budget as compared to say Justin Slayer movies which IMO are slicker and well produced.
They used to have Teens Like It Black, MILFS Like It Black (think this may have been part of Mofos though), Racks and Blacks and Butts and Blacks but most of those finished off in 2008. It's about time though, Brazzers has a good bank of stars and performers; both black and also willing to engage in IR.
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 7:34AM
They've tried several black guy-white/asian/latin girl sites - Butts and Blacks, Racks and Blacks, MILFs Like It Black, Teens Like It Black - but from what I hear they were never very popular with the customers. Edited by - awmdb on 2/9/2010 7:37:20 AM
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^^ Yeah, I've read that their forum. They get really defensive when the subject of "black male/white female" porn is broached. Deleting threads, banning members etc.
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Master D Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 2:28PM
That mean cancelled there membership too watch porn too. So they hated BM/WF but they do WM/BF scene on there and they do get alot of black woman on there too. IR fans don't have a good website like Brazzers does and they did had scene with Lexington Steele and Mr.Marcus. Well someone from Brazzers is on here on this forum and let ask him why you don't do an IR series that does do with the sterotype stuff. I like how Jules Jordan Video, Black Ice, Mercenary, and Justin Slayer stay way from the sterotype stuff from Huh Huh, and Blacks on Blondes. Well I like how Mofos is done with it IR series like Brazzers does with it scene. Pluse they should get new black male performer that don't act like a thug but more of a QG type. I say get Sean Michael to help them out with it.
I think that at this time, our members aren't fully committed to IR porn... Although we do occasionally release IR scenes for different websites, the scenes tend to get very low ratings and very negative comments by our members. One example, is the recently updated scene for "milfs like it big" with Shay Sights. Shay always gets a very high rating along with positive comments (for the most part). For this scene, however, it would appear to be the opposite...despite the fact that she even worked with Sean Michaels, who is known for being a very good performer and well established in the industry...the scene scored low and received quite a few negative (and sometimes racist) comments. Another example is when we launched "teens like it black" ...it was immediately criticized and we discontinued it as a result. Personally, i believe that it was a bad idea from the start since we already had a very similar website on a network that was originally built around the 'big tits' niche. The reality, however, is that a new IR site just didn't go over with our members. In the end, it all comes down to fact that we cant please everyone, and although we've attempted the interracial stuff, it just doesn't seem to work with us. And although a lot of our members ask for more IR scenes, its still difficult to gauge since the few that actually do post comments and rate scenes, in reality, represent less than a percent of our total members (per scene)... Maybe (hopefully) in the future we'll be able to work this all out.
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 10:58PM
At least you answered, but this whole 'interracial' thing is goofy anyway. My plan is to destroy it.
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 10:59PM
thanks for answering,but i don't believe any of that.
^Bram, is Brazzers going to release any of its IR stuff on DVD? Especially this one Racks and Blacks scene where Kara Nox fucks Charlie Macc!
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 12:04AM
Exactly. So instead of letting a few dickheads speak for your entire member base, why not just go ahead and do a good IR site and stick with it? I agree that something about this doesn't sound right. You're right that Butts&Blacks and Racks&Blacks were good sites, which is why I have difficulty believing that they were cancelled simply because members didn't like them. There are quite a few of your members who don't like lesbian sex. Does that mean you're going to get rid of your Hot&Mean site? Also, the PornStarsPunishment site has garnered alot of controversy with people saying that it promotes rape. Are you going to get rid of that too? What about all the members who complain that TeensLikeItBig is a pedo site, or who don't like BigWetButts because they don't like anal scenes? Are you going to do way with those sites? It seems very strange that your IR sites are the only ones in which in you allow an outspoken minority of asshole members to dictate that you should cancel a whole site despite the number of your members who do like them. It sounds like Brazzers just simply doesn't want to do IR, and is using its customers as a scapegoat for why it doesn't do it.
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 12:11AM
Correction: It sounds like Brazzers just simply doesn't want to do black male/white female, and is using its customers as a scapegoat for why it doesn't do it. Sex between races is fine, interracial sex isn't.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 1:31AM
Don't they both mean the same thing? Oh wait! I forgot. This is porn.
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Master D Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 1:32AM
Dude stop hating on what people like and don't like. If there choice on who they buy or not to buy. You must be from the south which they don't agree with Interracial. BTW I grew up on an interracial parent, my dad is black and my step mom is white (no my dad did not left my real mom for an white woman, my real mother die 19 years ago) pluse I am in a interracial relationship with a white girl (we have been seen each other for three month). So you called me bad or that. So I have to deffend myself, as for Brazzers it by the fans who are white racist fans. I may have to cancelled my member and not buy there movie anymore since too many races comment. I will still support company that do IR, as for IR fans who want a good and better IR website without the sterotype email to Lexington Steele, Sean Michael, and Jules Jordan to make it happen. We voted for an president in election and voted for the next America Idol you can do the samething right.
Well if 90% of your content is wm/wf, it stands to reason that most of your paying fans are going to be consumers in that vein, doesn't it? I mean if I join girlskissing.com and then they start putting up two guys on one girl scenes I'm likely to be disappointed by that content. And generally anyone who is dedicated enough to like a specific type of porn is likely to comment if they're not getting that type of specific porn. Porn is niched to the max and the days on throwing one anal scene, one lesbian scene, one IR, one group scene into a movie are pretty much a distant memory. I'm sure teens like it black would've worked as part of the Blacks on Blondes family/dogfart group of websites, because presumably fans would've been welcoming of the same kind of content they already like. As long as your IR content is loaded where people expect to see wm/wf scenes, there will likely be some discontent, I would imagine. It would make far more sense from a fanbase point of view to create some distance from your other sites if you're looking to do another niche. Financially it probably doesn't. That's porn for ya... Edited by - irex on 2/10/2010 1:47:57 AM
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 2:31AM
'DUDE', you have a total lack of understanding for the English language, how old are you? You have no understanding of irony, context or structure of a paragraph. Have you noticed other people confused at what you're writing? Really, you need some English lessons. There is no IR in porn, it's black male/white female that's 'IR'. You are part of the problem by propagating the term.
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Master D Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 2:42AM
Look stop making fun of me ok. I have trobule with my spelling and I can't remeber that good so take it easy ok. this is a fourm for adult not grade school kids. Grow up and be a man. Edited by - Master D on 2/10/2010 2:44:08 AM
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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ugh
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realtip Deactivated User
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That rationale would be more appropriate if Brazzers were just one website rather than a network of several different websites each catering to a different niche. You're right that Brazzers performers are almost all white. However, the network consists of almost 30 different websites, though about a dozen of those sites are no longer active, including all of the IR sites. If Brazzers had only one site out of the several that focused on IR sex, then that's not asking a lot. For example, mostly all of Brazzers scenes are non-anal. But there are two sites that focus exclusively on anal sex. This is simply to satisfy the customer base that likes anal sex, while everyone else can simply avoid those sites. The same with lesbian sex. Brazzers has one site that consists solely of G/G scenes, while all the other sites feature exclusively straight scenes. Does having one G/G site mean that Brazzers is turning into a lesbian site? Of course not. It's just one website out of many on the network. I don't understand why this same standard can't apply to IR. As Bramm pointed out, Brazzers did have two very good active IR sites before the network decided to stop updating them. I agree with him that the network's attempts at IR since then have not been good. I don't think that's because the majority of the customers don't like IR. It's just because scenes have mostly been terrible, and actually seemed like deliberate attempts to sabotage the IR niche on the network. If Brazzers would reincorporate atleast one good IR site into its network, there's no reason to believe that it wouldn't be successful. No, the members who prefer the site to stay lily-white will not watch it. But they will have the rest of the almost two dozen active sites to watch. Meanwhile, Brazzers will draw in more members who do like the IR sites to make up for the ones who don't. For instance, when I first joined Brazzers, I joined because I wanted to see Racks&Blacks and Butts&Blacks, which were active at the time. I later learned that the rest of the sites on the network were good too. But those were the two sites that first drew me in. I'm sure I'm not the only one. That's the whole point of having several different sites to appeal to everyone's tastes. This is why it just doesn't make sense not to have a good IR site on the network. Edited by - realtip on 2/10/2010 3:03:51 AM
^^^Opportunity costs. Your argument would perhaps be valid if the cost of producing IR content was zero. That's clearly not the case. Production of IR scenes is as expansive as production of white on white content (perhaps even more as it is well know fact that some girls charge more for IR). Given that Brazzers's production budget allows them to produce x scenes per day, it obviously makes sense for them to produce mainly the stuff their members like and then a few experimental scenes in which they try new things and observe how well they are received by their members. It doesn't make any sense to invest in producing content that their members clearly hate. Also, it's not some "outspoken minority of asshole members" who despise the IR content. On the contrary, there are quite a few characters over at brazzers forums who seem to be into that kind of thing. But the fact that IR content consistently receives bad ratings from majority of their members proves that such content is simply not popular with the members. And finally the notion that brazzers deliberately produce shit IR content to justify not doing more IR is simply ridiculous. It's not like white pornographers have to hire any black males to fuck white chicks. They don't need to justify anything to anyone. Especially not to a bunch of guys who swarmed this board after the demise of Mr. Marcus's pirate board and appointed themselves self-styles inquisitors passing judgment on the porners left and right, labeling people "racists" and questioning their declared motives without any proof.
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Master D Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 9:23AM
I just cancelled my Brazzers memeber just a few mintue ago and I don't ever post on there forum because who know I may be called the n-word on there. Well some of the Mr Marcus form members do come over here to talk IR but there are other IR fourm based website that IR can talk about it. I don'talk IR that much on this forum because I talk more about white on white porn here but I am a memeber of a IR forum too. But Brazzier should take the Zero Tolerance rotue when they had Black Ice for there IR and black porn fan. Maybe Brazzers should have an IR website just for IR fans like the movie they do and kept the white racist fans out of there. Pluse they should hire a person who have work in IR movies. Well Dogfart is an all IR website but it also the worst. Because it have too many of the sterotype stuff and most of the guy on there act like thugs. Maybe IR fans should email Lexington Steele and Jules Jordan for an better IR website that doesn't fit the sterotype. As for Brazzers I just watch the girl who are in a Brazzers movie in other company website or other movie because I can't support anything racist not just porn but everywhere.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 9:35AM
The problem seems to be that the people who don't like something are given more credence than the ones who do like it. As Bramm admitted, the majority of Brazzers' members do not rate scenes, leave comments, or participate in the forums. Among those who do, there are obviously a few who have racial hostility issues going on. I'm not understanding why these members would be allowed to speak for all the rest of the members, including the ones who do favor an IR site. The point is that Brazzers isn't losing anything by having an IR site, as long as it's a good one that will attract viewers. You're correct that Brazzers doesn't have to shoot IR scenes. This is obvious by the fact that it doesn't anymore. But the point is that they did and stopped, which likely left many of the customers disappointed and wondering what's going on. Why stop the IR sites when there are members who enjoyed them, and who represent a probably larger proportion of the member base than those who make a point of hating them? Take a site like NaughtyAmerica, for example, which never had an exclusively IR site to begin with. For this reason, customers would have no reason to expect NaughtyAmerica to suddenly start one out of the blue. But when a network has not one, but two, successful IR sites and decides to stop updating both of them simply because a few immature members repeatedly left comments spewing racial epithets, then something about that just doesn't make sense. Edited by - realtip on 2/10/2010 9:40:24 AM
Firstly, I don't understand why you even joined brazzers in the first place. They were never known for producing your kind of stuff. And stop being ridiculous, no one's gonna throw any racial slurs at you at brazzers forum. You just have to accept that many white guys like white girls who like white guys.:) Think about it...Thing is they do not depend on members ratings and comments when determining whether something works or not. Don't forget they have access to the raw data: sign ups, conversion rate, customer retention rate...all these numbers are being analyzed regularly and they don't lie. For example twistys, another popular site, recently featured Tori Black as their "Treat of the Month". She was the first treat in twistys who had sex with a black guy (Tee Reel) in one of her Treat of the Month videos. As a result, the sign ups fell faster than Obama's approval numbers, despite all Miss Black's undeniable qualities. They only picked up after the IR portion was removed from the trailer. It's clear that there's an important group of porn consumers who don't want to see white girls having sex with black guys. Therefore, brazzers would loose a lot by having an IR site, which is more likely why they don't have it. They had some in the past probably because they did not understand the market very well.
The bottom line is Brazzers shouldn't be listening to the assholes who post racist comments about their IR scenes. If you don't like IR, don't watch it. You don't have to go and post negative, hateful shit about it.
So according to you, brazzers don't have any IR sites because a few "assholes" posted comments containing the "N-word" and they got scared? ROFL Edited by - Croc on 2/10/2010 12:00:48 PM
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 12:02PM
There is a group of porn viewers that is adamantly against IR sex, despite how relatively inproportional to the entire customer base this one group may be. In other words, this one group does not comprise the entire customer base, or even most of it. Bramm already stated that "a lot of [Brazzers] members ask for more IR scenes." Why not give it to them? You say that Brazzers would lose a lot? But what would it lose? Are you saying that members would cancel their memberships if Brazzers reincorporated an IR site into its network? If the rest of the sites are still good enough to retain those members who don't like IR, then there's no reason that they would leave. In regards to Brazzers not understanding the market well, I doubt that. IR is one of the most popular niches available in porn. Companies that expand to cater to the IR audience usually attract more viewers, and therefore more profits. It's also apparent that IR is more popular among the white male audience than the black male audience. For example, the video store I patronize has greatly increased the number of IR videos it carries. I thought this was rather strange considering that, from what I see, most of the customers who rent and buy adult videos from there are white. When I asked the manager about this, he told me it was because the IR videos rent/sell well, and that's what the customers like. The ironic part was that I was the one who found this strange.
Some of them would cancel, yes.But that is unlikely to be the biggest problem. More importantly, resources used for producing IR can't be used for production of other kinds of content that might attract more members than IR. Oh and people who sign for brazzers are probably not the same people that you can meet at adult video stores.
I'm a huge fan of IR in all genres. Virtually any of my other posts will show it, but in this case, I simply don't think that Brazzers and their network is the right place for BM/WF IR. There are some folks who don't like IR and as consumers they have every right not to support it. Many of the girls who don't do IR are regular members of the stable of talent that Brazzers utilizes. As a result, I think they attract far more of the crowd who don't want to see IR content of the BM/WF variety. I think over the years as the internet has narrowed in terms of who comes to a site, this has become a major issue. Look at how many discussion sites have huge bitter battles over IR and how "dodging" is a factor. Before message boards became such a part of the porn landscape it might have been a bit more a dirty secret, but now it's out in the open and it's become an uncomfortable part of the overall porn discussion virtually every day. I think the other parts of their network that have anal or girl/girl still cater to that segment that doesn't want any type of interracial sex. As large as Brazzers is they're only a small part of the porn landscape so it really doesn't surprise me that they've latched onto (in my opinion) a particular audience. They hire girls who often don't appear in IR, they produce very little IR and they've got a rep among a few message boards as being mostly anti-IR given how they keep giving on IR content. Re: butts and blacks and racks and blacks, those sites stopped producing content some time ago and the input was sporadic before that. I think even over the last two years the U.S. at least has become far more polarized, much more of a very divided country and I think people are picking sides in terms of virtually everything (look at any recent political polls), especially race. And if we can't agree that sentiment seeps into the collective consciousness that's fine, but in my opinion I do think it's a factor. But Brazzers, Naughty America et al, just appear to have a specific market that are just fine with their current two dozen sites and rather than have them continuously start and stop IR sites or scenes and make the market look weak, it'd be better for them to either do a site that stands alone or create a network that doesn't rely on traffic from the other niche specific brazzers sites. I mean their plan is to conquer all porn eventually anyway, right? Might as get started on their IR wing.
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I can't speak for the amount of resources available to Brazzers. I don't have that information. But it doesn't look like its current content is at all designed to appeal to a wider audience at all. Most of the websites are all the same, with almost nothing to distinguish them. But maybe you're right; maybe the whole point is to make them all the same to appeal to only one demographic. I also haven't done a survey on the subject, but I don't see the correlation between subscribing to a website and visiting a video store. It's likely that there are many people who do both.Shyla Styles, Phoenix Marie, Courtney Cummz, Eva Angelina, Priya Rai, etc., are all frequent and popular Brazzers regulars so much so that there's a scene with atleast one of them just about every week. It doesn't appear that a lack of girls who do IR is the issue.I can see why it would be an uncomfortable issue for porn to deal with. But if it's so uncomfortable, then why insist on continuing to make a big deal about it? The porn industry is like the bigot who enjoys being a bigot, but just doesn't like anyone pointing out that he is one.Now that you mention it, Brazzers' sister network Mofos did have two IR sites. Now it only has one. One of the sites was transferred over to Brazzers only to immediately be cancelled with the reasoning that the members disliked it. For one thing, if you're saying that having IR on Brazzers is such a huge issue, then why transfer the site there from another network where it wasn't an issue? Secondly, if it became an issue, then why not just transfer it back to Mofos along with the other IR site? Some of these things just don't make any sense.
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Master D Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 1:46PM
That is the same thing, alot of white guy loved to see white woman getting fucked by black guys but most of the IR fanbase is black. IR wasn't that poupler around the 1980's and 1990's but it pick in the last decade thanks to Lexington Steele and Jules Jordan who broke grounds in IR porn. Also white own companies like Evil Angels have different type of porn (not into the she-male stuff because that is not my cup of tea) have something for everybody and have been there for 21 years. Pluse you know alot of white guy loved Hallie Berry. Pluse also there are manstream IR couples like Reggie Bush and Kim Kardashian, Lamar Odom and Khole Kardashian, Geroge Lucas is currenty dating a black woman, also there are IR couples in porn not just in scene but in real life like Tori Black and Teel Reel, Lexington Steele is dating a white woman who is in porn, Sophie Dee and Lee Bang, Lisa Ann is dating some black guy right now who is not in porn. You can love anybody from outside of races or sex btw.
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 2:03PM
Begging these companies for Black Male/White female porn (I refuse to label it interracial, that's a porn industry code word that doesn't include any other race) is a goofy endeavor. Who cares if they do or don't? The best performers are known, if they don't want to capitalize on it then so be it they don't get my money. You're going to hear these excuses forever and they will only do something if it affects their pockets, that's IT. Once they see money it will be this gigantic epiphany and a press release. I frankly don't want them to do this kind of porn because just like old, useless porn stars that aren't hot anymore they use it to breath life back into their played-out product. Please don't add this to your roster, let other more deserving companies do so instead. Thanks.
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 3:20PM
^Dude are you againt the word interracial or something? [mod edit: quote removed] Edited by - savoy on 2/10/2010 11:27:24 PM
Master D - he is NOT against the word interracial at all. What he is against is the ridiculousness that the term is only being applied to black male/white female interactions. Or to put it another way, why aren't encounters between asians/whites, latins/asians, etc. referred to as IR? The term has become very loaded only because its essentially used to refer to one ethnic group/gender: black men with any other type of ethnic group. [mod edit: quote removed] Edited by - savoy on 2/10/2010 11:27:57 PM
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