Allegedly the Industry is going to shit and Companies aren't making what they could be making due to Piracy so it got me thinking. I feel like since the platform provides Women advertisement, a bigger and broader appeal, clientele, and Celebrity then why shouldn't they pay for that? I would never know who these Ladies are if it wasn't for Porno and neither would any of you. We'd all be at our own Local titty bars drooling over Homegrown Talent. I don't know about y'all but I'm Black, well Brown anyway. And I'm tired of scrolling through Tubesites and Company Websites seeing nothing but White Guys fucking Black Women. They've created such a market gap that it's almost impossible at this point to catch up. And I'm what Ms. Voletta calls herself, a Realest. I know Black People aren't going to just start paying for Porn in abundance because we start catering to us more. We'll still bootleg and we'll still put out Vanilla Based Low Budget Productions, it's true, I know this. And honestly, I do the same thing. Most Performers regardless of Race & Ethnicity Escort anyway. You basically just give her a Platform to charge higher rates while you, allegedly, reap money on the back end. We know there's no real money or future in this shit so why not change the Females a rate to use your Platform. Companies are pretty much just Marketing Mediums anyway, always have been and always will be. In the end everybody wins. Globally, billions of people watch Pornography. Realistically only maybe at the most a couple hundred thousand people actually pay for it which is probably a pretty good conservative estimate. At the end of the day I'm probably not interested into what the Murdocks of the world are interested in and we probably don't share too much of the same views and vice versa as well. So why are Companies marketing shit to one demographic and not really the other. If it's profit margin then why not level the playing field and give everybody what they want? Be honest, who would be the loser in this situation, I can't see it. And this isn't a race baiting thread for the record. I honestly think it just makes sense. The Producers would have final say so in the end regardless. So if they want to pay for someone in particular then let them. I just think that it makes more sense Economically for everyone involved because of what it does and not just for what it is Edited by - WillieMack on Aug 31 2015
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 1:07PM
Asked.......and answered. You aren't going to get what you want if you're not willing to pay for it. You can come on here and complain about how awful the current batch of tranny porn is, but if you're not paying for it I can say with more certainty than anything else I've ever said on here, the producers don't care what you think. As to your idea of charging female talent, it's based on some incorrect assumptions. Not all performers escort, and of those that do, not all do it as their primary source of income. So changing to a model based exclusively on performers making money from escorting would eliminate a significant portion of the talent pool. Not to mention the rates that studios would have to charge the talent in order to make it worth giving the porn away would be cost prohibitive from the standpoint of the performers. It's simply not an economically feasible model. Or if you prefer, they're not going to be willing to do it for the same reason that you're not willing to pay for porn. They're used to the status quo, so changing the model to where they have to pay isn't going to happen.
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 1:22PM
Again. I'm not interested in the perspectives of the murdocks on here and vice versa. There's a "debate" in this Thread but it's not going to come from those types of people. They're nothing but straw man arguments catered to the deaf, dumb, and blind Edited by - WillieMack on 8/31/2015 1:24:16 PM
Murdock made some pretty compelling points. As he said, you'd be eliminating the significant portion of the female talent pool that doesn't escort or derive their main income from escorting. That seems pretty obvious. And yeah, if you don't buy porn how are content producers supposed to know what to produce for you? Purchases send signals. If something sells more, it will be produced more. Not buying porn makes your preferences essentially invisible to content producers.
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 1:52PM
Who is this significant portion Lmao? Please name names and show receipts. Because I'm sure I can get anyone of those Speigler girls for a Stack and no camera. I can guarantee it
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 2:15PM
There are thousands of active performers right now. You haven't listed a single one, let alone a majority of them. No one is arguing that there aren't any performers who escort. What's in question is the percentage and you've yet to provide any proof of your assertion that a majority escort.
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 2:18PM
Not really. Because who said that I don't dabble with Escorts/Porn Stars and who said that I don't promote Porn Companies and Said Performers? Don't make assumptions. Stick to the Topic. Especially since 95% of what I wrote is based around sound economics and 5% of it is based around the Other, which includes Race, which is also based around Economics. And considering you highlighted that One ency-wincy quote from me I doubt you're capable of having this conversation. And for the record I've actually purchased pornography in the past, I'm just smart enough to do some research before I commit. I'm also wise enough to practice self control Edited by - WillieMack on 8/31/2015 2:24:20 PM
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 2:22PM
Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
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Hey Straw Man. I'm not about to snitch on anybody just to make you happy. I know who you are, I know how you get down, and I can think of a couple reasons why. Which is why I ostracized you in the OP. I want an intelligent conversation, not a drug and alcohol and hate fueled pissing contest
^ Snitch? Performers who escort have profiles on sites like Luxury Companion and reviews on sites like Eros.com. It's not like this info isn't readily available. And if we can't talk about which performers even escort, how are we supposed to promote their escorting business under your new paradigm?
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 2:30PM
Well, if you're worried about getting someone in trouble, I'm sure you can just reveal what the numbers are and how you arrived at them. If you're claiming a majority of performers escort, you need to know two things, the number of performers that do, and the number of performers that don't. I doubt you know either of those, but I'm giving you the opportunity to prove me wrong.
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 2:33PM
It's not a New Paradigm. It's the same ol shit when it comes to this new age in entertainment. You can't hold up the Two or Three who don't on a pedestal and ignore the Thousands that do and Generalize the Industry as such. There's a reason why Champagne Rooms were invented, this is literally no different.
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Posted - Aug 31 2015 : 11:25PM
Women pay to dance in clubs so paying to perform is not that far fetched. Realistically though why are porn companies allowing tube sites to kill the business. It seems like they would unite and drive them out of business..Tube sites probably were a drain a few years ago but now they are not the problem they are made out to be. The problem is the industry is not giving people what they want so fewer people are paying for porn. It has become about the producer, the company not the consumer. When you can't find Black on Black porn in a country where minorities are almost half the population it is not about business it is personal.
Small wonder though that somebody with that background is making the delusional assumption that people stealing porn outnumber people paying for porn by more than 10000:1 ("billions" vs "a couple hundred thousand"). And then expects to kickstart an intelligent discussion with drivel like that... Edited by - shalalin on 9/1/2015 5:39:58 AM
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I already knew it was Personal but that's not what I'm trying to discuss here. But you're correct about them paying to dance in the clubs. Some sex workers pay a fee as well, and a lot of it has to do with Room & Board, access to Clientele, Wardrobe, Food & Beverage, Transportation, etc. There's obviously some that are coerced into doing it but that's another thread. But think about the benefits that they have once they star in a movie: - Celebrity - Brand Expansion/Opportunities to expand their brand through films with various other Mainstream/Non-Mainstream Companies - Webcam interests - Name Recognition - Feature Dancing - Higher end Escorting - Gifts from Fans that's just to name a few
this is a pretty wacko thread :P No matter in which branch of modeling the models always get paid (except the ones who do apperances as charity) But seriously if you where in their position would you do anals, ass to mouth, blowbangs/gangbangs and so forth for free? :P Doing porn is a big decision, once the scene/pics are released they will forever be out on the internet where all people can find them. If some girls would want to model for free I'd have no problems with it, but paying for doing porn.. I'm not so sure about that one.
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First and foremost it's a matter of choice and no one is holding a gun to their head. All of them arent Halona Vog and lets not act like they are because thats disrespectful to the women who are really in those types of situations on camera and off camera As quiet as its kept on here a lot of these women are Escorting and Stripping and Webcamming beforehand so they're technically already out there exposed. Whether theyre instagram "models", a jump-off on somebody's smartphone, or a mugshot for an advertisement on some tubesite or a model for a flyer for an upcoming stripper event. Modeling is almost just as much of a business as it is an art, whether it be amateur or commercial To speak to your comment about the scenes being out there forever. Well, a lot of them dont have trouble finding relationships and if they do I can pretty much take comfort that it comes from their lack of whatever verses it being the man's (or woman's) fault. It's not always their fault and I dont want to imply that but it already takes a unique individual to date someone who works in the sexual workforce so usually I would have to say that its more than probably the issue. If there's any issue at all because sometimes as in any relationship, things just dont work. No disrespect to the "failed" couples of the past who may or may not have had children together but Simps dont lie and some people just truly dont care or truly happen to love that they do what they do no matter how erotic it is. Because a Pornstar isn't any different than the jump-off who went to school with you or the Stripper from your local strip clubs. All of those girls are virtually on the same exact playing field and you can try to butter it up all you want to but it's the truth Not to mention that there's a lot of porn out there being overlooked and forgotten about. I've probably ran across some females who did a scene or two and didnt even bat an eye twice because they werent immediately recognizable. Not just that either, I've probably looked at so much porn over the years that shes just a blur in the moment and i didnt even recognize the fact that i know her from a porno. I probably thought I might've recognized her from a Store or a jump-off's friend of a friend or something like that. Also, everybody's not into the same type of porn and everybody's not checking for the same thing. A lot of y'all would probably recognize the very latest Brazzer models in public but if I ever saw one I probably wouldn't even notice to be honest. And thats not to contradict what im saying but i just want to elaborate a little more on your idea that her scenes are out there for everybody to see forever. And frankly, its only a select amount of companies who get hacked a lot. its not like everybody who runs a site has their content leaked in full & in bulk. Its usually Brazzer scenes, Adriano scenes, Pinkys material, Dogfart extended clips, and if we're lucky we'll get some Legal Porno scenes. Other than that its usually just the same old scenes being reupped and on the off-chance its new then its usually a doctored clip. The benefits of being in a Porno today outweigh the cons. You're building her portfolio and she'll be able to eat off of that until she decides to quit. There's females out here claiming to be Pornstars who are charging triple and quadruple the standard rate and they've only done a scene or two And there's people out here really paying those prices. If she didn't do those movies, depending on her looks and services, then she couldn't really charge those rates. They're no different than Centerfolds and Back Room Editing Models who do the same thing. One is just more glorified than the other because some of the paradigm has shifted in the past 10 or so years. Everybody has a favorite girl on the screen and we all want to be with her but how many people are still buying magazines and can name the latest or even biggest models out there? Because those magazine models are definitely more interchangeable than the booty movie girl. A girl might do ONE scene and she'll be in people's head for a very long period of time, or even a lifetime. But the magazine girls, in today's world, probably the total opposite, which is where the instagram comes in. And even then they're a dime a dozen and there's always somebody new & delicious to follow. Dont get me wrong, some girls are gauranteed money makers and have established clientele. But truthfully we'd have to look into the past and acknowledge that it comes from the huge amount or types of Pornos theyve been in since the Industry started shooting in color. Theyre only that big because wrrr used to seeing them and they tend to not have as many hang ups or barriers as someone who's new to the scene. A girl who's new is just looking for attention just so she can make money, the company's investment is technically- for her future & their temporary gain and if She doesnt know how to make the most of it then thats on her and her management if she's even using management for long term purposes. And a woman who's seasoned is probably looking to stay relevant just so she can keep the money flowing in if she hasnt handled it as well as she liked to over the years or hasnt found that sugar daddy looking to make her his trophy wife yet. Either way, the companies are doing more for them than she is doing for them. Especially in Northern American porn where the entire industry is pretty tame and really all youre doing is just having recorded sex for a few months or years out of your entire life. And honestly, all considered, Max Hardcore was JV compared to some of the Japanese and German companies. Naughty America and Jules Jordan arent doing those types of scenes even if theres fluids being exchanged through multiple people at the same time. Which actually isnt as rare as you think it is with respect to standard monogamous relationships. And sure, if its a 12 man gangbang or something incredibly extreme then okay, why not toss her an incentive. But if its a standard b/g scene or even a b/b/g or b/g/g then why pay for that? At the end of the day she'll reap more benefits than the company. A lot of people remember the girl then they remember the brand. Too many people arent checking company websites like us pervs are. They simply wait to check the weekly or monthly update on the tubesites or for the Female to tweet something about it coming out if theyre even following her on twitter or instagram
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 4:23PM
All those words and not a damn thing to say. You sit there and spout off about how you think things should be and have no perspective on how things really are. You have no idea what sort of impact making porn has on a person's life, not just because you haven't done it but because you clearly haven't bothered to find out. Like everything else you've posted on here since day 1, you've invented a reality in your head that makes sense to you and you assume that's how it must really be. You assume that most performers escort. You assume that most make a significant amount of money from that, You assume that most feature dance, and you assume that a substantial amount of money is made from that as well, but in reality you have no idea. Yeah you might be able to see some feature dance, and find some that escort, but YOU HAVE NO IDEA what percentage of active performers are actually doing those things and YOU HAVE NO IDEA how much of their income is derived from this. You simply want free porn, and just like Steiner, you're trying to rationalize it by coming up with unsustainable, poorly thought out business models, that aren't even superficially plausible. You keep spouting off about your sound economic plan but you've yet to provide a single number in this thread that you didn't just pull out of your ass. If you think it's a sustainable plan, show your work. Show the numbers that back up what you say. Give us some real world examples of how this plan can not only succeed in the short term, but in the long term too. You've been asked several times already and you've yet to back up anything you've said with facts, instead resulting to personal attacks.
Even if , for the sake of argument, all porn performers do escort still those who have a job in porn don't , make up crew, catering , directors, cover makers , websites publicists, cameramen, sellers, distributors , shippers all of them must be paid , the star's fee is just a part of the cost and not the biggest one. Besides why should a pornstar pay to shoot, distribute it for free so that millions of people who will never be their escorting customer still would enjoy their performances? And maybe even harass the and demand thing like double anals , gang bangs, extreme fisting , you name them If they are to perform for free I'm pretty sure they would get a lot more light and customers by fucking for free every twenty clients or maybe even ten , or possibly not for free but double time with no extra charge , or possibly given the chance for anal, you just need to be lucky enough to be that tenth client I assure you they'll become very popular real fast among their clientele, and you know what? there wouldn't be any porn movie to haunt them for life if discovered in the future and would be way cheaper than produce , film and manage a pornsite , and a free one at that Edited by - LCF on 9/1/2015 4:53:58 PM
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What do you mean? Make-up, Camera crew and the rest of them get paid. They'll probably get paid more after the fact. Everybody eats. You're also underestimating the majority who do Escort. They're making some good money and I don't care what you say. Then the ones who don't do it do Feature Dancing, Webcamming, and or whatever else comes their way like music videos, interviews for documentaries, and or product endorsements. They aren't exactly limited to dealing with the same 10 customers all their life. Beautiful women get harassed everyday, its not exactly exclusive to Models and Pornstars lol. And I'm going to ignore that last part. That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 5:35PM
Let's also not ignore the problem of the completely ass-backwards solution you have here where, the more successful you are the less you have to pay, which is great and all, but the less bankable names (who can afford it the least) are the ones who will be required to do so. It's like a special tax on the poor, but just for sex workers. how could that possibly go wrong (except in every way possible, I mean) So what we'd likely end up with is traditional porn being made by the handful of performers successful enough to be able to afford to pay to have porn made, so essentially porn get's reduced to a giant MindGeek contract girl promotion, and everyone else stops making porn and starts camming because they can do that for free. So most porn performers get the shaft. The consumers get some free MindGeek porn, and all the other diverse porn (including your favorite tranny porn) completely disappears since there is no incentive to make it, so we get the shaft too. Congratulations, you've managed to come up with the porn equivalent of Reaganomics. I suspect when you go to casinos you're the type of guy that cheers for the House to win.
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 8:42PM
Kinda, but not really. Playboy has charged a registration fee at some of their live casting calls, but not all of them, and from what I can find only the ones where they were "giving" away promotional items to the entrants.It is still free to register online to pose for Playboy. http://www.playboy.com/pose-for-playboy
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 9:22PM
I was thinking more like a representation fee. You know the old saying, "its not what you know its who you know". Studios and Agencies would have some extra money to expend on Niche markets and fetishes, branding, marketing, merchandise, and a little profit to manage on the side. Because the audience isnt going anywhere and its always growing but the profits are and the internet isnt going to have a radical makeover because the entertainment industry wants to save its ass. So it should stop simping and grow a pair and adapt. If you want to appear on a website that gets hundreds of thousands of views or let alone millions then you should pay for that. Especially if all youre doing is whats considered vanilla or nothing too too extreme beyond normal bdsm. Your portfolio and resume is being enhanced 100000 fold and in the end you end up benefiting just as much if not more than the companies do themselves. Mainstream or Amateur.
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 10:07PM
Actors already get paid on the backend in mainstream movies. They take a cut of the profits instead of a big pay check upfront. It could work in porn if the right people got together. New ideas is what allowed the a few companies to monopolize the industry.
once we do that and porn is gone, we'll have to jackoff to memories and stick figure drawings on lined paper.
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 11:13PM
Who are these companies and who are these performers because I've always heard the opposite? And are you talking about performers from the 90s and before or more recent performers and are you talking about mainstream or rude.com type total amateurs?? Because if youre talking about the handful of select Lisa Anns and jesse janes of the Industry that doesn't mean shit to this matter with all due respect. Youd be talking about literally a dozen of performers verses the random thousands participating in the market. And those handful also got that big just because they starred in porn. Pretty faces come a dime a dozen today, its definitely not like it was previously.
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By mainstream I mean Hollywood..it is normal for a star to get paid from the backend profits instead of a paycheck up front. They gamble that if a movie is a hit they can make much more. I can't get too deep into it on a porn board but the idea of certain porn stars paying to be in movies is not too far fetched.
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Never. These young girls thirst for the attention. There's girls out here right now coasting along on yachts getting paid by the day because they had booty sex on camera for 15 minutes 6 times in one year only to quit a year later and still have some gifts and money to spend or a sugar daddy months or years after. While the others upsell escort or stripping services 10 years after the fact just This is the reality in a lot of cases and not a hypothetical. I'm not lumping the ones paying for school with them but that doesn't mean anything because its still the same principle
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Posted - Sep 1 2015 : 11:30PM
Yeah but you're literally talking about a dozen performers who can probably make that trade verses the random thousands who can't and never will. You're also talking about DVD sales and DVDs aren't what they used to be Edited by - WillieMack on 9/1/2015 11:31:33 PM
There's a lack of motives a pornstar earns say an average of $ 400 per scene , why should she pay $ 3,000 to do that? If she wants to promote herself and get more clients she should just offer free sex every now and then and make sure everybody knows on advertising or just do webcams there's no need to shoot a movie and there's no need to pay for it on performers' side For what? to allow someone to watch her insides for free? To allow someone to go on a forum and say how ugly she is? think again
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Posted - Sep 2 2015 : 4:57PM
First off why are you dictating what they should pay? That's the Company's choice and or whatever type of deal they would work out. Laurie Cameron Fan doesn't get to determine those numbers. Ava Devine gives out free sex every now and then. At least she used to do so in the past. Then there's also performers who do like to have sex randomly with random guys or girls who go out and get drunk occasionally. Just because it doesn't happen for Joe Smow who you know who idolizes her more than his own mother or girlfriend doesn't mean that it doesn't go down. That $1500 an hour phenomenon that you worship is sexing some tall skinny handsome douchebag that you could never be. These performers are still human at the end of the day so you should probably take them down off that pedestal that you have them on. How do you think they end up getting married or pregnant when there's only so much male performers to go around; professional and amateur. These are still regular people at the end of the day who have lives to live just like the rest of us. A lot of them do but a lot of them don't plan on selling pussy until they can't anymore. A lot of them want better, some sooner than others. Some are just so jaded because they want what they can't have just like most people... because most of them are normal people. And again she's not getting nothing in return. She's getting exposure, celebrity, and a whole bunch more. I don't really think you understand how the business of selling sex works. This isn't 1985 this is 2015, almost 2016. You need to get hip or get that pink slip
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Posted - Sep 2 2015 : 5:13PM
Somebody has to and I see you didn't bother to include any actual numbers in your 95% sound economics.Guess what? TrannyFan doesn't get to determine those numbers either. The studios and and performers have already worked those numbers out. Guess what? It's nothing like what you've described!
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Posted - Sep 2 2015 : 5:17PM
Vivid allegedly offered Kylie Jenner 10 million to do a flick that show there is still alot of money to made in porn. If a star had the choice of 2000 upfront or a percentage of a potential million dollar movie most would take the risk. Whether women should pay depends on the people involved in the deal and how it is put together.
Let me guess you say the pornstars should pay but it's a "Company" who dictates the prices? anyway I didn't dictate anything just divided the cost ov a average movie ($ 12,000 they say) to the average number of scenes in a movie (4) plus the cost to rent a location ) hence 12,000 divided 4 equal 3,000 plus 1,000 equal 4,000 cost of a scene also I don't know why are aggressive on me, maybe because I just exposed your "respect" for those human being by wanting free porn paid by them? There's no logic in this the only logis is you either pay for for you take or you're a thief there are no other options Yeah she's getting exposure and celebrity for a while and stigma and harassment their whole life and they should even pay for this Edited by - LCF on 9/2/2015 5:31:21 PM
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Posted - Sep 2 2015 : 5:43PM
A.B.C. Snowbunny and G.X.Z Chocolate Chip Cookie aren't Kylie Jenner, sorry lol. I knew one of y'all were going to bring that up Smh lol But that last part is partly what I'm trying to say. All Porn is good for today is a quick nut and a Platform to reach millions upon millions of people. And every now and then its good for stimuli to get your lady wet if she's even into that or if you even have a lady. but other than that it's just promotion and a quick fix. People are interested in the girl and the act than the company itself. Everybody shoots anal and the occasional 3way. Nothing is exclusive anymore besides a few niche sites and a handful of directors. The bigger the network the bigger the audience. Everybody is still eating during final cut
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Posted - Sep 2 2015 : 5:48PM
I don't know what's weaker. Your math, your use of codewords, or your simping. Clearly you have a chip on your shoulder. You're definitely not qualified to speak on this subject. You lack intelligence, you're angry, and its causing you to behave irrationally. You're just not cut out for this anymore
^ So you have solid numbers instead. It's a pity you didn't provide any
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Anyway. You're just acting like a monkey right now. Thats not needed. Come back to me when you can use some self control and common sense. By then maybe you'll know how to have a conversation or a debate. To all else, I don't think the regular male talent should pay. As long as it's the same 30 guys in the Industry all around in every niche then they should get paid. Every man can't do what they do, allegedly. But if its an untested male then he should pay. A lot of time and money can be wasted on unfamiliar actors. Edited by - WillieMack on 9/2/2015 6:20:23 PM
Alright this place is getting out of hand. Willie and everyone else, stop with the insults and dismissals of others. Allow me to remind you of this part of the ADT forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond." If the hostility continues this thread will be locked.
Shout out to the Originals in Australia. We need some of y'all in these flicks too. I for one have never seen one in a porno. I want to see some of y'all Titties too. I definitely want to see what that box look like. Is it hairy, is it shaved, is it died, is it curly or is it fried? Edited by - WillieMack on 9/2/2015 9:02:13 PM
