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| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 |  Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:43PMAnd I will say this... two performers not being paid on time, and then steps taken to resolve it... is a specific incident. That is far different from Pierre's implication that nobody is being paid which is the picture he seems to want to paint. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 4:46:07 PM   [Link] |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1489 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:13PM I am myself working with few thousand of girls and in 25 years I didn't get 10 % of the bad publicity FROM THE GIRLS that LP get in only 4 years !!! You can't accuse me to speak about it to do my publicity, I have other things to do but I'm very tired to listen day after day the girls telling me crazy things this company does, in Europe or in Mexico. From the syphilis of Mike Angelo in 2012 and 2015 till the non paiement of this two girls today ( By the way Chanel Lux explained in her casting interview she got 500 $ for 4 scenes and a kick in the ass as thank you !!! ) there have been many scandal which should make all performers aware of working for them. To be the first pirate of the net with Xvideos making millions on the back of honest porn producers should give them at least the decence to paid the girls used in the production for the "cleaning machine" called LEGAL PORNO !!! Just my opinion ... PW [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:31PM [Link] |
Flash  Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 6:42PM Members complained that this wasn't appropriate for the Legal Porno thread, so it got its own thread. Stop trying to take this thread off track please. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:22PM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 1:59AM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:14AM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:19AM Hey, I totally understand that Xvideos has cost you a lot of money.... and for that you have to go after them with any blemish you can find. I can see why you do it, I just have to call you out and say it is self serving and not some crusade to improve the porn industry; you certainly were not making publicly loud comments about Mr Marcus shooting with syphillis or the myriad of girls that didn't get paid for scenes here and there over the years. [Link] |
| Paddy82 Member 54 Posts 5/16 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:26AM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:34AM For all of the pissing and moaning around here about how disingenuous Pierre is and how he twists the truth it seems that those same people can't help but do the exact same thing and misrepresent damn near everything the man says. [Link] |
| Paddy82 Member 54 Posts 5/16 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 3:21AM Seen as you like my pedantry so much, Cindy said "he seems to want to paint" that picture, not that he is. And can you explain to me how that tweet is a misrepresentation of him, it's in direct response to performers pay on the day this was blowing up, and is a clear attempt to suggest that this has been happening for years in Europe, and that he's been trying to tell people but until it involved the US nobody cared. A couple things wrong with that: Not only is there not a single case, or even a rumor of performers having faced this situation before a few days ago, it is also the first time, despite his many different accusations over the years, that he's ever made mention of it. It was done deliberately to fuel the flames, and to help establish to the masses a false narrative that this has been going on for years. [Link] |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1489 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:05AM _______________________________________________________ Who ? Where and how many time ? Excepted the "out of mind" Serenity Haze " ( fired since from porn industry ) I never had any problem with any US porn performer and it's always the BF/Husband ( like with August Ames ) or some boys who love tell bullshits or sadly some under table accords between agent and producer unhappy a girl did anal with me when nothing was dealed in advance but show me the girls able to pretend I did not paid anyone or did bad to anyone !!! There are not !!! Do you think after so long in industry any agent will give me a model if I was not correct. Do you think agencies will even send me girls NEVER HAVING SHOT if I was a risk ? Be realistic .... Did you see my friend Jenna Jameson or Tera Patrick who knows me since their first day in this industry having tell a single bad word about me ??? NO !!! And they are not girls who don't put the knife in the stomac of any cheater of the industry, so it should said all ... _____________________________ Is Mike Angelo's syphilis confirmed? _____________________________ I hope not, but twice he was and LP denied last October there was the lastest problem on their set with him. So I just ask since almost one year to Mike and LP for a test in a laboratory with online result in order to see his TPHA and Mike never did it and LP never care of this, giving him job every day !!! This is also something not normal ... You have more info here : http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/syphilis-situation-and-fight-with-legal-porno-t8816.html LP or XYZ company and I will have the same attitude, if some people don't like the fact I shake the tree to remove the wrong fruit, then it means clearly for some guys only see an open asshole is important. Sorry but I'm not a employee of anyone,I'm not scare of anyone and I tell what I think is important to be said !!! After this bordelo I did with syphilis LP became more serious with the test policy ( even if we still can't control online their result ) and I hope now, after this warning again, they will be carreful about what is going on at Sineplex. It's their company name on the bank wire so this story should have been fixed since long time ... PW [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 7:59AM [Link] |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1489 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 9:22AM If it was me the guy accused by performers not having paid them and considering my logo is on the video made by them, I will have the class to paid those 3500 $ to Samantha because it's pinutts for a man who does half million dollars every day with Xvideos and will pick it up back on the next Javier Vasquez salary. So please Stephane P.... show you can resolve the problem of Megan and her agency LAdirect Models in a minute ( after a scandal begin on the net LOL ) you can easily do the same for Samantha !!! I think it's the minimum you must do ... PW [Link] |
| Paddy82 Member 54 Posts 5/16 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 9:47AM It's funny how Pierre didn't deny or reply to my post, but you felt the need to on his behalf, are you a shill ? And I agree with you Pierre, this should have been settled for her already, not just out of principle, but because $3500 is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:40AM What I find amusing is a handful of people on here keep reacting to Pierre's post with such righteous indignation, yet I haven't seen anyone point out where he said something that was actually wrong. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:40AM [Link] |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1489 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:01PM Read it please ( for sure you know this tread already ) http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/syphilis-situation-and-fight-with-legal-porno-t8816.html Understand the difference between telling Mike was syphilis positive twice in 2012 and 2015 and twice him and LP denied about it. I don't said in present time he is infected ... I am asking since almost a year to him and LP to show his TPHA result and still NOBODY was able to present a negative TPHA for Mike. It's LP who changed the laboratory MEDICENTRUM with a relief stamp + online result for Previdig who have no relief stamp ( easy to fake ) and no online result access for agencies and professionals of porn. My test is accessible to anyone at INTERLAB Budapest or MEDICENTRUM Prague, even it is in L-A when I am in USA. So who has a dirty ass in this story ? PW [Link] |
| lefaf Deactivated User 5776 Posts 10/14 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 3:40PM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:09PM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:19PM I just use this as further point that he is not a crusader for performer pay or STI's; he is a crusader against a competitor he hates very much. And, there is a difference. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:21PM [Link] |
| jeffandersonn Deactivated User 1605 Posts 3/13 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:42PM Mindgeek companies do the same, we just don't know how often it happens here is what carter cruise says about her experience with Wicked & axel braun, a million dollar company  [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 5:24PM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 5:43PM [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 5:45PM And by the way... there are two sides to pay disputes. As star struck fans we often lean heavily on the performer's side and thinking she is getting abused or ripped off. We know from history that a lot of porn performers are difficult to deal with ,terrible with banking and money , and so we should be careful to just blanket assume the studio are evil doers. Maybe they are, sometimes they are not. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/7/2016 5:54:24 PM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 5:59PM Edited by - fanofman on 9/7/2016 6:14:53 PM Edited by - fanofman on 9/7/2016 6:17:29 PM [Link] |
| Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 6:44PM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 6:48PM [Link] |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1489 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 9:21PM __________________________________________________________________________ Not true, but I can't know about everyone problems as nobody knew about Carter Cruise until now. Anyone not paying a girl having done the job is an asshole !!! I don't know Alex Braun but I know very well Carter who is an adorable and serious person. So I really think if she complains she must be right !!! Now back to the case !!! I love how the LP boss speaks about Samantha Rone. Just that, should enlighten anyone about Stephane's mentality : " She makes a big story out of nothing" Yeah sure making few scenes with DAP and not get paid since August 11 th, it is really ... NOTHING !!!  PW [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 9:36PM Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/7/2016 9:37:26 PM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:02PM I mean we get it. You're absolutely foaming at the mouth desperate to prove that Pierre isn't some altruistic beacon of virtue. I hate to break it to you, but nobody here is. Nobody here claims to be. So why can't we have a discussion about a problem without you constantly trying to derail it into your own personal crusade against Pierre. If we held you to the same ridiculous standard of "you have to actively protest against every possible example, otherwise you can't even mention any individual example" you'd be awfully busy creating threads and calling out people for all of the crimes you're constantly griping about on here, but you aren't of course because presumably you have something better to do with your time, and Pierre probably does to. Now before you trying to turn the tables on me and ask me why I'm defending Pierre, perhaps you should ask yourself why, in the Canadian_Cindy vs. Pierre Woodman battle how Pierre somehow ended up as the good guy in the debate, and you'll probably figure out the answer. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:03PM Canadian_Cindy, you need to back down. There is already a thread here covering that topic right here in the same forum as I am sure you are already aware. If you can't play nice I this thread stop posting in it. [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:14PM You have lost your way as a mod... this is about a personal attack on me, which is likely a violation of forum rules yourself. If you want me to back down on this, clean up Pierre's act. You are allowing him to say a lot of shit here without any check and balance, and are threatening someone for calling him out on it. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:20PM Canadian_Cindy, this is now being referred to the owners of the site to handle. [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 10:53PM Your little derailment in the female porn thread was petty, intentional, and for a mod to deliberately bait me so I say something that he can use as ground for a ban is something to behold. I get it.. you don't like someone like me challenging you or pushing back..... message is heard loud and clear Do as you wish; I really don't care about it as much as you seem to. I think this place is a hypocritical to allow mods to bait forum members, or to allow Pierre to go on like that without check in spite of forum rules. I'll take a time out at this point and see you on the other side. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/7/2016 10:56:48 PM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 11:34PM http://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=12846&start=80#p103401 http://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=12846&start=80#p103402 [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 11:55PM people who willingly included LP in their tweets and posts (knowing our structure and doing it only to cause potential damage and not caring if they were mentionning the right company) will not receive a cent from me if Javier/Sineplex doesn't pay them. Now, he also claims in that same post that as far as he knows, Sineplex has already sent the money. But if that isn't the case, and Sineplex doesn't pay Samantha Rone, he will not do so. Also, I take this to mean that it couldn't have been LP that paid Megan Rain, unless this is a new policy he has adopted after paying her. Did Sineplex pay her? [Link] |
| Paddy82 Member 54 Posts 5/16 | Posted - Sep 8 2016 : 5:31AM A week later and I've still seen no apology from Javier, no expanation for this fuck up or a promise to make it right. Don't go to Mexico. [Link] |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1489 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 12:18AM And telling she does a problem for "nothing" is not acceptable IMHO ... PW [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 1:21AM However, if after some reasonable number of days it turns out that the money has never been sent, then yes, I think the ethical thing would be to take the scene down. [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 2:21AM Let me ask you a question. If you hired and paid a production company to produce a certain scene for you and that production company went and hired a model to perform that scene but never paid them, would you not distribute it? Would you come out of pocket again and pay performer(s) for that scene? No, you would say I own the scene. I paid for it. Why shouldn't I distribute it and attempt to make a profit from the scene that I contracted and paid for? You would say I already paid for that scene why should I pay people again and reduce my profit? You would be upset with the production company for not paying the model and making you look bad. You hopefully would strongly advise the production company to make payment to the performers. You might consider suing the production company for not meeting its contractual obligations. You would be upset the production company was potentially damaging your brand with negative publicity. You might consider severing ties with that company in the future. You would also be upset if performers were going on social media and generating negative publicity about your company when (1) you never directly hired them, (2) you had no contractual relationship with that performer(s), and (3) had indirectly (via production company) paid them for that scene already. P.S. I hope she gets paid by some entity. Edited by - fanofman on 9/9/2016 2:26:48 AM Edited by - fanofman on 9/9/2016 2:32:32 AM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 7:56AM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 8:09AM I don't believe that LP has a legal responsibility to pay her if they didn't have a contract with her. This is business. You can start a bad precedent if you start paying performers directly when things go wrong with companies that hire them. You think JJV or Evil Angel should/would do that if the producers that create scenes they distribute didn't pay the models the producer hired? Siniplex should be the one paying her. However, I can understand if LP paid her just to get rid of the negative publicity. Edited by - fanofman on 9/9/2016 8:32:30 AM Edited by - fanofman on 9/9/2016 8:45:03 AM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 8:31AM And how would that be a bad precedent? The bad precedent was already set when Siniplex didn't pay the model in the first place. If your business partners are paying their bills then it is a non issue. Edited by - murdock on 9/9/2016 8:33:31 AM As for your scenario, you're ignoring a few very important aspects... If I'm rebranding whatever I bought as my own, selling it for a profit, and I want to keep getting more of whatever it is that I bought, you're damn right I'm going to make sure that contractor gets paid. Edited by - murdock on 9/9/2016 8:36:42 AM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 8:42AM [Link] |
| Paddy82 Member 54 Posts 5/16 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 8:49AM If she did shoot two and the agreed upon fee for each was $3500, then she has been payed for the one scene they are currently selling. [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 8:52AM Instead of doing that, they just fronted Siniplex a bunch of money for more scenes. How's that strike you for a precedent? Edited by - murdock on 9/9/2016 8:53:13 AM [Link] |
| fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 8:57AM Edited by - fanofman on 9/9/2016 8:58:13 AM [Link] |
| Paddy82 Member 54 Posts 5/16 | Posted - Sep 9 2016 : 9:03AM She's said more than once that she signed no paperwork on her trip, which absolutely baffles me; was everything agreed upon verbal ? [Link] |
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