^ It might one day change the way the European porn industry deals with those problems but I doubt it. For one thing there isn't just one Country that would have to agree on a single system but multiple ones. For another thing. Similar things have happened in the US porn industry on multiples times in the last two decades and how much has really changed since that first issue? Now the following will biased by the fact that I am a huge proponent of mandatory use of condoms in porn and therefore I have no pity for any person or company that gets fined for violating the law requiring performers to use a condom during the penetration part of the scene. A condom will in no way affect the way I look at a scene except that I will be happier knowing that the performers will have a better chance of going home without an STI.
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Posted - Sep 24 2016 : 9:32PM
You would be in the minority. Producers and Directors know the vast majority of porn fans (I've seen it reported 9/10) do not want condoms.
You are totally right. I haven't met many porn fans who have no problems with condoms in porn. I watch porn for many, many years and it always has to be condom free porn. I really don't like it that they try to enforce condom use in the US porn industry and it would be very bad if there would be mandatory use of condoms in the European porn industry
^And yet Wicked and Vivid were two of the biggest and most profitable studios for decades and they were for the most part of their life condom only studios. It`s quite possible that I am in the minority but maybe I am part of a much larger group that just happens to prefer to remain silent on the subject of condoms because to suggest that condoms in porn is a good thing is almost a guarantee to be attacked or ridiculed. I`ve been watching French porn for decades and again condoms are mandatory for any production done in France. It has not affected them and it certainly hasn`t affected my enjoyment of their brand of porn. I would argue that your average French performer is less likely to have an STI and if she does get infected than she will only get infected once. The same can`t be said for American performers who will get infected at least once and likely multiple times if they stay long enough in the industry.
It is right that Wicked and Vived have made lots of porn movies and they have been profitable. If companies want to make condom porn that is totally okay for me, but I will never watch those vids. It is only good that all sorts of porn are made, so everyone can watch the porn he or she likes.I mostly watch Euro porn from companies like Perfectgonzo or Legalporno. Their vids are always condom free. I have also seen some condom porn vids in the past, but after a few vids I knew that, that isn't the type of porn I like. So when condom free porn is shot, the actors and actresses should be tested, so the scenes can be shot safely.
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Posted - Sep 25 2016 : 3:45PM
Staying in business and sqeaking by are not the same as making lots of money like LP.. Hardly no one watches Wicked or Vivid any more and most fans speak poorly of those companies other then to say they can have good production values.
And I assume that you have some sort of figure to back up that Wicked is just squeaking by? And of how most porn fans speak? Edited by - Flash on 9/25/2016 4:03:59 PM
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Posted - Sep 25 2016 : 4:11PM
I really don't have a problem with condoms -- when it is the performer's choice that their studs wear condoms and/or the studio's policy. BUT, I do have have three aspects of porn where I will not tolerate condoms (i.e. I just won't watch it): Blowjobs Handjobs Cumshots (facials and visible external cumshots) Condoms being used during vaginal and anal penetration don't really ruin scenes for me (although I would obviously prefer no condoms). Internal vaginal and anal "creampie" cumshots may pose risks -- particularly anal -- where an argument can be made for condom use. Unprotected anal sex, in particular, being the #1 risk factor in the sexual transmission of HIV/Aids -- especially introducing bodily fluids (i.e. semen) to come into contact with torn and/or bleeding rectal tissue at the conclusion of sexual anal penetration. HOWEVER, I strongly believe that ALL decisions concerning condom use be left up to the performers and production houses to handle as they deem appropriate.
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Posted - Sep 25 2016 : 6:02PM
^ Yeah, I realized that after I posted. My legitimate excuse is that posted following quite a few "condom" posts, without realizing they were taking us somewhat off-topic. And, yes, Swiss is my favorite type of cheese :)
Exactly !!! All scandals every year with Legal Porno / Sineplex are making problem to us also. The problem of non-paiement and girls "jailed in Mexico" makes Russian girls more affraid than ever to travel to Budapest or Prague in this moment, and also the health stories have poisonned the wish of Americans to fly in Europe because Christiana Cinn and Chloe Amour was with me in Budapest 1 year ago when everyone was speaking about the Mike Angelo infection with syphilis. So this problem associated to Daesh ( I must admit the terror attack didn't help also) I haven't been able to bring back any newbie from USA in Europe since october last year. Of course LP love to tell : " WOODMAN is an asshole telling bullshit about us " but the full test of Pierre Woodman is online every two weeks at INTERLAB Budapest when me I still ask since one year to Mike Angelo to show his Syphilis TPHA result from Interlab Budapest or Medicentrum Prague but after one year he still never did it !!! This is not giving troubles to LP using Mike Angelo every day as performer after been waiting only two weeks to receive him again in their studio ( Mike was so proud to put it on his FB ). And NOBODY can control online ANY RESULT FROM LP PERFORMERS because the LP boss refuse to send his people to a labor where all agencies can control who is clean or not and also their test result is just a piece of paper without a relief stamp, so easy to faked with photoshop !!! In america this will be non acceptable but in Europe unfortunately they do. So when a girl is arriving from Prague to Budapest with a test from LP labor I send her to the official labor INTERLAB to be sure she is OK. It's just insane and cost money just because this man, biggest thief ever for our industry with Xvideos he owns, think he is a king able to do all what he want and using humans like puppets. He didn't stop his collaboration with Javier Vasquez, which proves how he care what happened to all these girls ... PW MOD: Edited for formatting issues. Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 9/25/2016 6:15:06 PM
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Posted - Sep 26 2016 : 5:37PM
What happened with Mike Angelo? At this point it seems clear that LP is not going to post a response on their own forums regarding the non-payment of Maria Devine and Sineplex. Maria Devine's Twitter is set to private? Her tweet about not being paid isn't publically available. Wonder if this means LP are dealing with this BTS. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/26/2016 5:43:48 PM
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Posted - Sep 26 2016 : 8:51PM
They will have to do a lot of dealing BTS because the list of girls that didn't get paid seems to grow every few days.
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 4:39PM
We're coming up to almost two weeks since this issue was posted to Legal Porno's forum and still no response. Guess I'll check their twitter to see if they have said anything there.
I don't know, but some said so although it happened in the period among tests Edit to add , there's no proof of anything , just rumors Edited by - LCF on 9/28/2016 5:11:53 PM
____________________________________________________________________ STDs, Syphilis as it is rumored this would also be his second time ____________________________________________________________________ It was his second time yes !!! July 2012 and October 2015. Now he his coming in Budapest to work for Rocco next week, I'm curious to know if he will go to make a test in INTERLAB where result are online and where TPHA is shown when negative and not when positive or if he will show to the girl his usual piece if paper from Previdig labor in Prague without any stamps in relief on it. Also someguys love to said I lie about the LP studio "ambiance" so watch the pictures here : http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/mike-angelo-gay-t7139-10.html PW
^How did you become aware of his alleged test reports? Adult performers gets STDs in the States but their results aren't discussed online by colleagues. Is there no privacy disclosure requirements for producers/directors in Europe? If you don't work with him and only work with performers that get their results from certain labs, why is this a continuing topic of conversation?
^ If someone has STD and manages to go away with it through less scrupoulous tests also with no stamps on it , then you have to find a way to defend yourself from that
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Posted - Sep 29 2016 : 4:11PM
^^ Yeah considering the well known cases of performers with HIV and STDs performing knowing they're infected concerns about privacy seem of very secondary importance.
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Posted - Sep 29 2016 : 4:16PM
Here is the pic from social media. The drug use isn't that surprising but it being done so openly certainly is, my understanding is most directors don't want drug use on set. It does suggest an unprofessional set. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/29/2016 4:17:45 PM
I would like people understand Mike was like a son for me in 2006 when he started and I wanted him to be the new Pierre Woodman because I had in mind to buid up a big website for Woodman Entertainment and stop to fuck myself front of camera in casting. He was a good guy with a nice wife but when I brougt him in Brazil he started to jump deep in the drug and became totally out of control. Anyway I liked hima lot, especting he will stop all this shit, and kept him in my team until end of july 2012 when I found out he tried to hide his positive result for Syphilis. I think all people working as performers have a responsability toward others and as a person going every two weeks in a labor for blood test which is possible to be controled online, I DO NOT ACCEPT WHEN ANYONE ESCAPE FROM THIS DUTY BECAUSE HE HIS PROTECTED BY SOME PRODUCERS WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DANGERS THEY CAN REPRESENT FOR ALL PEOPLE HAVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE AT SAME TIME !!! To be clear, after the storm of 2012 when around 40 people were infected by syphilis in Budapest and Prague, agencies agreed that all performers must have a test done every 3 weeks in an official labor where it was possible for agencies and producers to control online the test results, and test must have a stamp in relief to ensure the validity. We have been asked to give money to paid a lawyer to make a specific release telling that all performers working in an agency or with models of an agency agreed that their results come online, and all was working perfectly in Budapest with INTERLAB and almost perfectly in Prague with MEDICENTRUM where not everyone was playing the game but the majority was, UNTIL LP ARRIVED AT THE END OF 2012. At begining all was fine the performers was going to Medicentrum but by my fault after I used the Mike Angelo test from February 2013 with a TPHA positive, the LP boss decided to move all his performers to another Labor where nobody except them can know what's going on and the result is just a paper with a regular stamp on it, which make it hyper easy to falsified. Also there was a rule telling that any foreigner arriving from France, England,Spain, USA etc ... could not use any external test if we can't have an online access and then must pass in the Budapest or Prague labor. I have always strictly applicated this rule and I do not understand why some people can accept some guys like Mike angelo to shoot without he never showed since one year to anyone a valid test including the Syphilis TPHA (his VDRL is supposed be negative so it's OK but nobody have been able to access to his test result online and he his working every day ) Now, as I said already, he is coming to work in Budapest for Rocco, we will see if he will work with his piece of paper from Prague or if a serious producer as Rocco will send him to Interlab where all will be official then ... PW
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Posted - Oct 1 2016 : 3:42AM
Jesus Christ, this happened around the same time as Mr. Marcus I guess. Didn't realize it involved so many performers in Europe. Edited by - BlackSix on 10/1/2016 3:46:42 AM
^http://www.xbiz.com/news/153188 https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/Euro-Performer-Syphilis-Cases-Not-as-Numerous-as-Reported-486312.html Edited by - fanofman on 10/1/2016 4:02:29 AM
Actually not , that happened around the same time Mr Marcus was caught , but he already had a second grade syphilis which means he got infected around the end of March or early April , he didn't know that yet though. Mike Angelo was hit much later when the outburst showed itself in Europe and measure were taken also the number of europeans infected was highly exaggerated , basically anybody who was unavailable was listed as infected but actually there were different reasons for that or even some different STD for that matter.
^ that was because they stopped completely for over a month and had everyone tested twice prior to resume. In the States at one point they stopped testing and begun to fill the performers with antibiotics (penicillin) , so you don't really know how many they were actually Edited by - LCF on 10/1/2016 12:32:07 PM
________________ I heart you pierre ________________ Love you Carter !!! __________________________________________________________________________________ Mike Angelo was hit much later when the outburst showed itself in Europe and measure were taken __________________________________________________________________________________ Well, my personal opinion, but I can be wrong, is Mr Markus is the responsible of the chaos we had in Europe in 2012. His mistress in May 2012 was a french girl which went back to Europe in June and worked with .... Mike Angelo !!! It's not a formal proove for anything but my conviction is in that direction ... PW
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 8:40PM
Well, it seems Miss Ventura has been tweeting she is owed partial payment and they are not giving it to her. It seems she was paid for something, but not for everything. It is sad because they make some good porn at Sineplex and good performers are going to refuse to go there to work.
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 10:08PM
I know Aletta Ocean tweeted that she had gotten a STD at that time. She even posted a picture of herself making a strange face to show how peeved she was. The story going around is she either gave it to Marcus or he gave it to her.
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 11:43PM
^ That isn't a Sineplex issue really. Porn Valley has plenty of STI's going around like Herpes, the clap, and so on. Most performers need to hit the doctor for medications from time to time, and I would be comfortable saying Miss Ocean has performed enough that she would have had to get an STI treated in other times in her career. Testing doesn't check for everything , just the more serious or potentially fatal ones. It is part of the trade so to speak and while Sineplex seems to be having money problems, they are no different than anyone else for untested STI's.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 10 2016 : 2:54AM
So now Juelz Ventura has tweeted she hasn't been paid fully either. Here's a link with the info about it. Sounds a bit like where they paid Samantha Rone half of what she was owed. If they can't maintain enough cash flow to pay the full amount owed they must be idiots or broke. Pretty odd that the scenes are being posted to Legal Porno's website before the performer is even paid. Oh and not a single post from Legal Porno about any of this so far. Edited by - BlackSix on 10/10/2016 3:11:05 AM
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Posted - Oct 13 2016 : 11:18PM
Unfortunately no updates from Legal Porno on this situation even on their own forum. Have they said anything on Twitter or are they just stonewalling? All I can see there is a stream of anal, DAP, DDP etc posts. Juelz Ventura doesn't seem to have been paid still according to her Twitter but Legal Porno are still selling the scene on their website. Edited by - BlackSix on 10/13/2016 11:23:52 PM
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Posted - Oct 14 2016 : 4:00AM
^ I'm sure they're too busy scrambling to make up for the lost revenue* from Paddy82's principled stand against these practices to bother updating people. * principled stand may or may not (totally won't) decrease LP or Sineplex's revenue in the slightest.
Aletta Ocean knew very well who infected her it happened a lot later and wasn't Mr Marcus ,besides she didn't set foot in the States fo a year prior to that, so she had nothing to do with either Marcus infection nor the outburst in Europe she was a victim of it
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Posted - Oct 28 2016 : 1:02PM
Legal Porno haven't responded to anyone from what I can see but Maddy O'Reilly and AJ Applegate flew to Europe to shoot new scenes for Legal Porno. Legal Porno is finding time to promote these scenes but has apparently done nothing to pay Juelz Ventura or Mara Devine. Hopefully AJ and Maddy have learned enough to ask for payment in cash (should be under the legal amount to bring back) or at least confirm the money has been wired within a day of completing the scenes.
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Posted - Oct 28 2016 : 1:35PM
Everyone has been paid by Sineplex it seems. Just because they are not announcing a press release saying they paid performers doesn't mean the bills are outstanding. As for the women flying to Europe. They all get paid, and paid very well. This issue was the guys in Mexico and I know people tried to use it to smear ALL of Legal Porn, that was wrong to do so. People still don't understand distribution agreements and that they actually are separate business entities. Edited by - A_Fan on 10/28/2016 1:36:36 PM
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Posted - Oct 28 2016 : 4:13PM
Sorry if LP puts the videos on THEIR site then they have a responsibility to make sure the porn company they are working with pays the talent. They should have brought down the hammer on Simplex the 1st time it happened. Hopefully LP learned a lesson here with the bad publicity.
Has everyone owed money confirmed they finally got paid?
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Posted - Oct 28 2016 : 6:43PM
I take the position that none of the performers are talking about it anymore so one can assume it is complete, and nobody else has come forward. If you are a person who needs to see the deposit records to be convinced, I suppose you will still think they are unpaid. It just seems to be an issue that has been put in the past.
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Posted - Oct 28 2016 : 6:47PM
I don't agree with you there. My local grocery store distributes for hundreds of brands and if one of them doesn't pay their factory workers in Mexico I am not sure the grocery store should be lambasted for it. However, I do understand that a lot of people see it marketed by Legal Porno and thus feel they should solve any problems from one of the studios they distribute for. It does reflect on their entire brand it seems, and it is great fuel for anti LP crowd to bring them down. So, in light of that, if I were Legal Porno I would have paid the girls immediately and then withheld sales money to Sineplex until the debt was paid off. If that forced Sineplex out of business (which it might as they seem to be terrible at managing money), so be it. They can be replaced. I was annoyed at it to. One of my more favorite performers was one of the ones that claimed to be short changed . I was not happy as it was a scene I eagerly purchased. Edited by - A_Fan on 10/28/2016 6:51:30 PM
^I know I'm wasting my time but here we go again. None of us are idiots so your trying to use convoluted explanation as to why Legal Porno who owns the brand Sineplex doesn't actually own it but only distributes the content produced under that company is a waste of your time because someone already debunked that theory and even if he hadn't than the fact that only LP is allowed to use the Sineplex scenes automatically tells us that there is at minimum an exclusive partnership. P.S: but good try with the grocery store explanation. it was worth a quick chuckle.
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Posted - Oct 28 2016 : 9:38PM
AJ Applegate says that she has been told the fellow at Sineplex is soon to lose his job so it sounds like Legal Porno are at least telling others that they are going to do the right thing.
