^True but for me that's not even the biggest problem. The problem I have with (almost) everyone who shoots scenario porn is that they do a piss poor job with the scenarios. This thread is dedicated to family porn but I say the same thing in lesbian porn or just about every other scenario porn video and sometimes I think gonzo porn is in a much worse shape.
P.S. Don't you wish that someone would finally have an original idea? Even if his/her original idea is really an old one that hasn't been seen in a while. I know I do.
I do wish there were original ideas. I have original spec scripts on the market without any bites. I am published on the mainstream side, so it isn't poor writing.
I'm even more annoyed because it's almost all "step" now from mainstream companies. If you're being racy and courting the taboo that is incest, at least let the two consenting adults pretend to be biologically related. It's crazy to me that what was already a somewhat boring and repetitive trend is now watered down even more.
^^Do you think there is anyone currently in the porn industry talented enough behind the camera to do a moderately decent job with any of your scripts?
I don't really mind it, but I can see why it might seem obtrusive in modern Western porn.
I also agree with others here that studios should at least be brave enough to go all out and drop the stupid step prefix. They aren't even following through with the fantasy. Japanese porn doesn't seem to care and goes all it in its incest scenarios. They are also a lot more original.
I wouldn't call it "lack of imagination". It's a genre that has a big fanbase despite some people being tired of it or not liking it at all. Since it's popular and seems to be working most porn producers are going to stick to the model that works for them. If and when the popularity dies down I'm sure they'll move on. In the meantime you have to consider the fact that there's only so much you can do with that "step-sex" scenario. I'm sure it would be a lot easier to do other types of story set-ups but when you're forced to work within those fairly narrow story structure you are pretty much going to repeat yourself.
There are genres and porn producers that I personally think show "lack of imagination". I personally think having a girl strut around for a few minutes in lingerie before a guy(guys) walk into frame and just start having sex show far less imagination than the people doing "family porn". Shooting a story/scenario based scene is far more work. Coming up with a storyline, writing dialogue, shooting in different locations/rooms, the performers having to show different types of emotions and having to actually act, and having to do much more percise editing to make it all flow and work. But at the same time I get and can enjoy the porn makers who can make entertaining porn by not doing any of that and just have a girl and guy appear and just have sex. I prefer story driven sex scenes more but it's nice having options and there are a handful of porn makers who I think do that type of porn well...as well as some I'm bored by after the second scene of theirs.
Also, I totally understand what you're saying about not considering the scenarios I mention as "family porn" but I personally consider "family porn" as porn scenes that play up family members having sex in a household. This thread uses the term "family porn" but really what's being discussed here is "step-porn", which is just a part of the whole "family porn" genre.
To each their own. For me, while I like the story driven stuff, I want it to be simple and move fast. I'm ultimately there for the sex. It doesn't have to be clever or original just a reason for the sex to happen. The acting doesn't have to be great. The directing doesn't have to be great. The story doesn't have to be great. Just give me a few minutes of explaining why these people are about to have sex and have it well shot and I'm happy. My biggest annoyance with some of this type of stuff is when they have a guy driving around or wherever just talking to the camera droning on about nothing for 5 minutes about nothing I care about in what seems to be an attempt to make the scene longer or because someone thought what he's saying is interesting/entertaining enough to go on and on for what seems like forever. It just wastes time and is visually boring. At least if it were a girl doing the same thing we'd have something nice to look at.
Judging by the what seems to be popular on this site "family porn" holds little appeal. It's not not hard or extreme enough for a lot of if not most of the people here. But I have to think that typical casual porn watchers like it better and really aren't into the circus act or degrading women stuff. It's obvious that there's a big audience for it. The members of this site for the most part isn't part of that audience.Isn't incest illegal? Totally understandable why porn producers don't want to go down that road when it isn't necessary. That's why they go out of their way to make it clear this isn't incest. At the end of the day would having these scenes be incestuous make the actual scene better? Yeah, I guess it would make this stuff edgier for some but it would totally gross out a big section of the audience. The idea of step-whatevers having sex is a more likely real life scenario and can be sexy to view without bringing in the creepiness of having sex with relatives. I'm sure there are people who would rather it be portrayed as incest but that isn't something a more mainstream audience wants to watch.
Well, I was making a general statement. Maybe it seems more common than it actually is. You make a good point though. This site is probably not too representative of your average person's taste in porn.Well, first of all incest is not illegal in all countries. It generally is in the US, though its legal status seems to vary a lot from state to state, but incest between consenting adults is legal in quite a few European countries (France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal ...), in Argentina and in Japan, among other places. Don't get me wrong though, I can certainly see why studios aren't risking it. But I just think that many studios have become too risk-averse in general and didn't the US actually used to produce full-on incest content in the past?
Now would it improve those scenes? Hard to generalize, but I personally think it would in many cases. Though that would probably require more creativity and better setups as well. Simply dropping the step prefix would only do so much. But you are certainly right that it could also have an alienating effect on others. I'm not denying that. Do we always need absolutes though? I guess I just want some people to go for full-blown incest. Not saying that everyone has to. Variety is a wonderful thing.
^While I didn't realize just how many Countries still allow incest. I suspect it's a moot point where incest themed porn is concerned because Country of production is less the issue and more the Country where that content is sold. Anyone looking to sell it in the US might face charges that the producer in the Country of production would not.
Some US producers have done true incest porn but I fins that the interaction between the siblings is often quite superficial but it is still partially incest porn.
Western porn producers definitely know how to make a good taboo scenes like Japanese, but they are not allow to...all need to be in a comedic,unreal,silly style,with zero zero taboo feeling in these scenes...
It seems strange to me that someone would use Japanese porn with their pixelizations and not actual showing body parts as an example of "brave" porn making. I'm not knocking JAV porn here for their customs as much as the need to point out that pretty much every country has things they consider taboo. I'm sure there are people who'd much rather put up with the step-prefix and see all the body parts than to see pixelated(censored) fake incest.
Always found that strange that Japanese porn will show some of the most extreme content you'll ever see with full on scat and girls throwing up geysers of puke and, even in those scenes of absolute depravity, they'll pixelate the guys dick. Does anyone know what the reason is?
If you're getting off on all that super extreme stuff, I doubt seeing a dick is going to corrupt you any further.
^ It's an outdated decades old law that mandates censoring genitalia. I'd imagine acts such as vomiting weren't on the lawmaker's minds at the time, hence why they're not censored.
Well, my point was more that more Western should follow suit. Again, not everyone making porn. But at least some studios. Not that I want other countries to adopt pixelation. Plus it's not like the pixelation is up to the producers. But they can't change the law on their own. I think no one would dispute that there are few actual content restrictions in Japanese porn. You have a point though.
It's also not that producers don't want to go down the incest route (roleplay, not actual incest obviously), many do but have been pressured into changing to step roleplay (still pretty creepy and wrong no? And maybe illegal in some states). Meana Wolf had made a living for years doing incest scenes, same for Bareback Studios and many others. All have now been forced to go down the step route because pornhub and Clips4sale have changed their policy on this stuff due to pressure from credit card billing companies.
It's not illegal to act out incest on screen as far as I'm aware otherwise Game Of Thrones would not have been allowed to show explicit sex between blood related characters on a mainstream tv show, one of the biggest shows of all time. I just think porn has now become so risk averse that they're not prepared to take a chance just in case someone does object.
It all comes down to pathetic credit card companies etc. Instead of them just getting their fucking money and be happy, they have to play the moral police.
This is one of those things that makes me wonder if the porn industry is really giving people what they want or if they're just guessing and no one really cares enough to complain about. When I scroll through the comments on porn sites I never see anyone asking for one of these types of scenes.
Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there are no talented people in Western porn who could do similar things. I'm sure there are and I want those people to succeed. It's just a bit of a shame that they can't really seem to risk it.
Also, as others already pointed out, just because something is illegal in real life doesn't mean it shouldn't be depicted in fiction. It's simulated anyway. Isn't the fact that incest is illegal or at least frowned upon in most parts of the world the whole appeal? You want to see something dirty and taboo, after all.
I think those wondering why one could enjoy "incest" porn even if its pretend should ask themselves a question do you ever question yourself for liking a violent movie or TV show? Like anyone seen The Raid films? Very good action films but extremely violent and gory, i'm sure for those what have seen them have smiled at some of the kills in those films. Those what like incest porn most likely don't want to screw their sister or mum in real life just like those who watch and enjoy violent movies don't want to kill people in real life, i suppose its the "fantasy" or thrill of watching something what's wrong in the real world. I mean i like watching some "degrading" porn or watching Angela White in gangbangs but in the real world in my actual sex life i'm not a fan of really rough sex like you see in porn or BDSM and the idea of a gangbang is something i have no interest in doing. I've found people's porn interest's may not match what their actual sexual interests are in the real world hence why taboo and incest porn are popular.
I like the "Incest" sub genre, I agree with the person who said their needs to be some plot build up though.
And it's the damn CC companies that are causing the "step siblings" crap, They screwed over a lot of people on Patreon because of it.
I think it's silly, It's fiction for christ's sake.
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Posted - May 17 2021 : 6:08AM
i think you are 100% correct . There should be difference between Reality and Virtual Porn . Majority of ppl watch porn looking for their own individual fantasy element satisfaction and should not compare with real life .
if it makes you that uncomfortable then dont watch it. and it kinda feels like you are projecting, maybe you have some hidden desires that trigger when you see these scenes.
There doesn't seem to be a healthy variety of old/young/milf scenes that aren't fauxcest. It's predominant. One could place blame on supply and demand, but I'd wager the vast majority of those watching porn are doing so for free. Economically, is this a paid subscriber kink?
I think it's a bubble some of l the west coast porn producers are living in.
^ There is probably an element of laziness too. The scenes you'd like to see would just require a bit more creativity in writing a basic plot but I suspect a lot of companies just go with the low-hanging fruit.
And I agree that the number of people stealing porn has a negative effect on those of us who pay for it.
Many family stories would be better without sex, like the one I read today: After her dad's funeral, the daughter wants her stepmom out of the house immediately. But the stepmom owns the house, which she tells the daughter after moving out, and you can start paying rent now, cooking your own meals, etc. The daughter eventually eats crow and asks the stepmom to come back. Nah, she still wants rent. The daughter eventually moves to her aunt's home. Where does sex fit in? It doesn't. But that is still a video I might watch, with competent acting and writing. Some porn studios can stop pretending they know how to shoot sex scenes. They might as well try real writing and acting.
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Posted - Apr 6 2023 : 8:38PM
I am learning that pedophilia and incest are of big import to U.S. people, which is why the trend isn't going away..
You even see it in our politicians, some of which are hesitant to outlaw things like child marriage.
I hate porn storylines because they're so stupid. My ideal porn would be two or more attractive people just fucking as soon as the filming starts, no stupid unbelievable skits. The step-x crap wouldn't exist if consumers didn't want incest-lite content. The porn producers will roll out whatever makes them money. They don't care that it's of questionable morality. Kinda makes me wonder how many real life stepdaughters are preyed upon by their real life stepfathers .
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Posted - Apr 12 2023 : 4:12PM
"About 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 13 boys in the United States experience child sexual abuse. Someone known and trusted by the child or child's family members, perpetrates 91% of child sexual abuse."
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