Steve Holmes (page 4)

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onlybalogna Member 720 Posts 10/15	Posted - Jun 16 2021 : 6:55PM misspornUSA wrote: ^Aubrey wasted her time by showing up on set and, I assume, doing some prep work for a scene that was planned well in advance. It is perfectly reasonable that she was upset about that and that she expressed those feelings. Click to expand It's reasonable for her to be upset. It's not professional for her to start a fight with someone on twitter over it. [Link]
onlybalogna Member 720 Posts 10/15	Posted - Jun 16 2021 : 6:56PM Feet N Ass wrote: onlybalogna wrote: I don't believe it's really Steve's responsibility to google if a performer is trans or not. That's the producer's and director's responsibility to inform someone who is normally a straight performer that they are being booked for a TS scene. And even if it was Steve's responsibility to do research, it's still not a professional reaction on her part to start a public confrontation over it. Point blank, you don't pick fights with people who don't want to have sex with you. Click to expand If you had read my post properly, you would have seen me say that she DIDN'T pick a fight with him because he didn't want to have sex with her, but for the waste of her time as misspornUSA rightly says. And, I'm sorry, it's 2021 and almost every human in the western world have access to all the information the internet contains available to them 24 hours a day on multiple devices. So it may not have been his responsibility, but it was lazy of him to not do so. The director and producer have some blame too, but the person in this with the least blame is Aubrey, yet she seems to be getting as much stick for this as Steve. Always feet n ass. In that order. Click to expand He's paid talent. His only responsibility is to show up, on time, with a valid test. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 16 2021 : 8:55PM ^^Calling out a performer who flaked at the last minute after you and others showed up ready to work is also reasonable. [Link]
onlybalogna Member 720 Posts 10/15	Posted - Jun 16 2021 : 9:46PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^Calling out a performer who flaked at the last minute after you and others showed up ready to work is also reasonable. Click to expand He didn't flake. He didn't know he was booked for a TS scene, of which he should have been made aware. He tried to be professional about it and apologize to Aubrey, but the producers wouldn't let him. Apparently they failed to inform her of that as well. Seems to be a common theme here with the producers not doing their job, but everyone is focused on Steve. Now don't get me wrong. Steve absolutely should not have attacked her gender identity. But it seems to me that most, if not all, of this would have been avoided had the producers done their job correctly. However you and I are apparently going to disagree that picking a fight on twitter, even going as far as to publicly challenge his manhood, was a reasonable action on Aubrey's part. I feel it was completely unprofessional. [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 16 2021 : 11:17PM ^It seems to me that from Aubrey's perspective, Steve flaked, and that is why she criticized him. Why do you believe that she should have kept silent? Aubrey had a shoot scheduled. She got ready and showed up. Her would-be scene partner, who had not expressed any misgivings about working with her beforehand, suddenly refused to perform, so she called him out. That Aubrey was mistaken about Steve choosing not to explain himself in person, doesn't detract from the overall appropriateness of her choice to criticize him for wasting everyone's time. I continue to find it weird that neither Dana or Aiden said anything to Steve beforehand, not because they were obligated to but because it was completely out of the ordinary for Steve to shoot with a transperson. [Link]
onlybalogna Member 720 Posts 10/15	Posted - Jun 17 2021 : 8:55AM ^Criticizing is one thing. Criticizing when you don't have all the facts is another thing. And then directing your tweet directly @ someone in a confrontational manner is yet another thing. [Link]
2bollocks Senior Member 3585 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 17 2021 : 1:49PM MOD: If you can't use non-offensive terms just don't post in the thread. You too are banned from this thread. Edited by - Flash on 6/17/2021 6:08:34 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 17 2021 : 4:36PM ^The shoot was scheduled in advance. It's not egotistical for Aubrey to expect Steve to have looked her up by the shooting date. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 17 2021 : 4:41PM ^^^Aubrey didn't know that she didn't have all of the facts. Aubrey tweeted directly at Steve in a confrontational manner because she believed that he was to blame for the shoot she had prepared for and showed up for not taking place. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 17 2021 : 6:10PM I think it says mountains that one side of the argument keeps resorting to misgendering or offensive terms. [Link]
LandoRyder91 New Member 5 Posts 11/17	Posted - Jun 19 2021 : 2:20AM misspornUSA wrote: ^Just as a person may feel dehumanized by being called an n-word, a transperson may feel dehumanized by being misgendered. Click to expand Ma'am with all do respect please stop comparing transgender ppl to black ppl because you're ignorant is showing love. [Link]
Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15	Posted - Jun 19 2021 : 2:37AM onlybalogna wrote: We argue every day about performers' rights to bodily autonomy, who they get to work with, and what types of scenes they will do. Click to expand Pardon my ignorance, but I actually didn't know that in 2021 we were still having such discussions. And in the general public, let alone on a porn forum. [Link]
AngryPirate Senior Member 3210 Posts 8/17	Posted - Jun 19 2021 : 5:11AM ^ It's clear as day that bodily autonomy is still questioned and threatened frequently when performers are harassed and abused for changes to their appearance but that's for another topic. [Link]
jasonraybould Member 89 Posts 3/19	Posted - Jun 20 2021 : 10:50AM I think many on here are missing the big major issue and that is he was transphobic to her and insulted her in a way what is just as bad as calling a black person the N word. Its irreverent if he knew or not she was Trans its how he acted after. Its also worth noting we don't really know how he acted on set on the day, he says Aiden and Dana wouldn't let him speak to Aubrey but it could be he was kicking off about it on the day and they didn't want him upsetting her so told him to stay away, he's clearly transphobic going by his comments so its easy to assume he wasn't cool and calm about it on the day. Maybe yes Aubrey shouldn't have assumed he knew but then you can't blame her for thinking he looked her up beforehand, she's the most mainstream Trans star out there and has just come off another AVN win so you can't blame her for thinking he was aware. Having followed Aubrey for years and see who she is beyond porn i don't think she any issues with male or female stars not wanting to do Trans porn, her issue is when they insult her and be nasty about her being Trans. [Link]

AngryPirate Senior Member 3210 Posts 8/17	Posted - Jun 20 2021 : 12:30PM LandoRyder91 wrote: Ma'am with all do respect please stop comparing transgender ppl to black ppl because you're ignorant is showing love. Click to expand It's rather rich to call someone ignorant when you failed to understand the context of their comment. The comparison is not in the people but the inhumane ways people of either demographic have seen their humanity denied by others. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 20 2021 : 1:38PM jasonraybould wrote: I think many on here are missing the big major issue and that is he was transphobic to her and insulted her in a way what is just as bad as calling a black person the N word. Click to expand They aren't missing it. They don't care. This has been pointed out, time and time again, yet his "defense team" here still tries to engineer a way to make her wrong. What's worse is a good segment of his "defense team" here has been kicked out of the thread for transphobic comments -- which sadly indicates it is worse than just not caring for most of them. [Link]
onlybalogna Member 720 Posts 10/15	Posted - Jun 20 2021 : 6:00PM ^I do care and I have been pretty adamant in that he's in the wrong for his comments, even when you take into account that he was provoked into a confrontation. He's still wrong. I just believe that he's not the only person who did wrong in this situation, and there is a large group of people who seem to want to be deliberately obtuse about that point. [Link]
Bad_Habits Member 209 Posts 12/15	Posted - Jun 20 2021 : 8:41PM ^ Very well put. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 21 2021 : 6:51AM Feet N Ass wrote: ^ She wasn't challenging him on not wanting to work with her. She was challenging him on wasting her time by not realising she was trans until he walked on set, which is a legitimate complaint for her to have. Googling Aubrey takes just a few seconds and it is quite clear that she has a penis. If he had done this, another male talent could have been found. The only comment she made that I disagree with was 'not being man enough', but that does not justify in any way his response. Edited to correct the words Aubrey used. Always feet n ass. In that order. Click to expand If she did the same she'd realize he doesn't do transgenders and that there was a possible miscommunication Nobody answered to this so far , why was he supposed to do researches but she wasn't? did she assume everybody in the world must know who she is? Is she known more than Holmes? Both shoud have done more researches about the other [Link]
Feet N Ass Senior Member 2249 Posts 12/19	Posted - Jun 21 2021 : 7:26AM ^ Ramon Nomar and Xander Corvus have both done scenes with trans people this year when they hadn't before, and Sean Michaels did so a few years back. So male performers have done these scenes when they hadn't previously. Also, in her initial text exchanges with Steve asking him if he wanted to be involved, she did seem a little surprised he said yes, which would indicate she was aware that he hadn't done such scenes before. Always feet n ass. In that order. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 21 2021 : 5:13PM onlybalogna wrote: ^I do care and I have been pretty adamant in that he's in the wrong for his comments, even when you take into account that he was provoked into a confrontation. He's still wrong. I just believe that he's not the only person who did wrong in this situation, and there is a large group of people who seem to want to be deliberately obtuse about that point. Click to expand No, he and he alone purposely misgendered her. No one else misgendered her. Him. That is what is the issue. There is a shrinking group of people that are being deliberately obtuse about that and trying to create ways to share the blame. No matter how you try to share the blame, he and he alone purposely misgendered her. He could have been completely lied to and opted to be a good human being and not to misgender her on purpose. There is a complete difference between being upset over a situation, and being a transphobic piece of trash. [Link]
jo848484 Member 12 Posts 9/21	Posted - Sep 15 2021 : 12:04PM hi, steve holmes did you have any relationship with any porn actresses? [Link]
Secret Guy Senior Member Stay Beautiful 2407 Posts 10/17	Posted - Feb 3 2022 : 3:49PM I've just seen a movie trailer which was filmed recently, which features Holmes and he's really let himself go. It's not a good look. [Link]
Mobzters Member 971 Posts 4/15	Posted - Oct 26 2023 : 6:59AM Secret Guy wrote: I've just seen a movie trailer which was filmed recently, which features Holmes and he's really let himself go. It's not a good look. Click to expand Which movie are you referring to? [Link]

Ganymede79 Deactivated User 17 Posts 5/23	Posted - Oct 27 2023 : 9:35PM MOD: Why some people are so immature that they have to have their account deactivated is beyond me. However, your extremely transphobic statement has ended your time here. Edited by - Flash on 10/28/2023 12:29:25 AM [Link]