Of course, these choices do not make Lee or Kurt "homophobes." I like one-on-one sex and wouldn't want to perform multiple partner scenes either. And I enjoy good studs in addition to the girls.
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Lost Horizon Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 8:04PM
I don't think that argument will work as both those guys seem quite happy to perform in b/g/g scenes
BigBobxxx just mentioned multiple partners regarding his own tastes. He's right that these choices don't make the boys homophobes (I certainly remember reading about Kurt Lockwood getting in a huff because someone implied he didn't like gays). If being involved in a sex act with another man turns you off, it doesn't mean you don't like gays or are afraid you might be one. It just means it's not your thing. And it would certainly be silly to agree to perform in scenes where you're certain to lose wood just to prove that you're not homophobic.
Note that I'm not saying that homophobia is never the reason a performer doesn't do B/B/G scenes, just that it doesn't have to be.
It's very hard for directors to book a dap or dpp scene. A lot of guys won't do scenes like this. I also know that a couple of guys have limits to how many guy are in the scene with them, Lee Stone, Kurt Lockwood or Mark Ashley won't perform with any other male in the scene. I know that Barett Blade hates to share the girl. Other guys will do 2 or 3 guys per scene but no gang bangs for example.
The only BBG scene I can recall him being in was with Byron Long and Sadie in Naughty College Schoolgirls #8, which was in 2001, or fairly early in his career.
There are probably relatively few guys who could make that choice and not lose any work. I suspect that if other guys were in as much demand as Lee or Kurt, many would also choose to not do scenes with other guys. Of course, there are probably some guys who are indifferent and some guys who like doing those scenes, too.
If I was a porn star, I wouldn't want to be in scenes with other guys and I don't really like watching those types of scenes. I don't consider myself to be a homophobe.
I wonder if those who like watching BBG, BBBG, etc. . . scenes are interested in being part of the activities, or do they only like to watch.
I had a brief exchange of emails with Kurt after Walter nominated him as a MPotW and I claimed him for my harem. He was quite pleasant and seemed to think my harem a great joke. He didn't seem homophobic at all.
Is a guy homophobic because he can't stay aroused around other naked men? I mean, there are certain things that turn me off, and that doesn't mean I'm afraid of them or prejudiced against them. They just don't turn me on, or they kill my mood. Some guys might find the sight of another erect penis a turn-off, rather than a turn-on. It doesn't make them bigots or homophobes. Just my two cents.
Kurt performed that solo scene for Chi Chi LaRue's "Str8 Shots" too. He doesn't care who jacks off to him, that's for sure. If he can arouse men, great. Just means more fans. Julian's the same way. There's a Julian Yahoo group with over 30,000 members, the vast majority being gay men. He knows this, and until some psycho started a flame war with him, Julian posted to it. I'm sure gay men pay the majority of the subscriptions to his pay site, too. Point is, both he and Kurt have no problem being the object of gay male lust. Don't you think a homophobe would have a different attitude?
Edited for grammar.
Edited by - Pagoda on 12/6/2005 1:03:43 AM
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 6 2005 : 1:18AM
I think that pretty much every male porn performer has done at least one scene with another guy involved at some point in his career. For example, perhaps they don't do it anymore, but I definitely recall seeing Mark Ashley, Lee Stone, and Tom Byron each perform in scenes where there were other guys present. Of course, there is always the possibility that they appeared in these scenes before they decided to no longer participate in such scenes, which may be very likely.
Two other guys who I would guess don't do scenes with other guys in them (again, at least not anymore) are Julian and Evan Stone. I've only seen each of them do one b/g/b scene earlier in each of their careers, but nothing since. So they might be two more who no longer do those types of scenes either.
As for Kurt Lockwood, it is possible he may the exception. Of all the guys mentioned, he is the only one who I cannot recall ever having seen do a scene with another guy present. So, he may actually be the only male performer who has managed to go his entire career thus far having never done a scene with another guy there (at least not as far as I've seen).
Personally, I can't see why any straight man would WANT to have sex where there's another guy involved. But for porn, however, it is their livelihood to have sex. Alot of the things they do in porn they do simply because it's their job and no other reason. While there may be some guys who might have strict policies on not doing scenes with other guys involved, I suspect that most guys in porn, even though they might not necessarily enjoy it, will just say, "What the Hell. It's a job."
I'm a straight man who would LOVE to have sex where another guy's involved. The idea of watching my GF getting fucked or sucking another dick is super exciting to me (though, who knows, maybe I'd hate it if it actually happened).
There are things I'm not interested in, but it just doesn't occur to me to think about why some people like 'em.
Julian did a whole slew of b/g/b scenes late last year, before he dropped off the radar. I've seen him team up with Tommy Gunn, Voodoo, Sean Michaels--DPP in Jewel DeNyle's very last scene, and he and Evan Stone demonstrate the non-DP threeway in Nina Hartley's Guide to Threesomes: 2 guys and 1 girl. Plus Julian works a lot on pleasebangmywife.com, which is almost all b/g/b. He just doesn't do DP's much.
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Haze Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 6 2005 : 3:00AM
Weird because in Anal Intreprter Kurt Lockwood has a finger put up his butt and even uses some sort of dildo toy. I always thought he was bi.
i just did a B/G/B with Mark Ashley and Kianna Dior for Boob Bangers and Jonni Darkko....granted, it was a little intimidating being the second fiddle to him, and you get a wee bit tired of her saying...."damn your huge!", but it was cool. :)
It was a really good scene in fact. Both dudes had their own ways of giving the lovely Jada her pleasure. It was funny in the behind the scenes she looked worn out after the scene, lol. That's what happens when you let these two guys go full throttle.
Couldn't agree more. There's enough "female" primadonnas. Although no condom DAP, or DPP are in leagues of thier own I must admit. Regular DP's I personally enjoy it's like everything ratchets down hard during the DP.
Ramsey wroteI think they have limits because they can.
If a guy knows that he doesn't HAVE to do any scenes with other guys in it to continue getting hired, then why would he not take advantage of having that selective priviledge? For example, there are some actor/directors (Mick Blue comes to mind) who only cast the hottest chicks around to be in every movie they make because, of course, if a guy has a choice between screwing only the hottest chicks and screwing unattractive ones, I'm certain most guys are going to for the hot chicks every time. That's also a form of having limits, is it not?
The guys draw these limits because they are able to do so. If, on the other hand, a guy is told, "Look, either start doing b/g/b scenes or no longer get hired for any scenes at all," the guys would then have a choice to make (and I could be wrong, but I'm guessing most porn guys have probably faced that threat which may be the only reason they do b/g/b scenes).
And frankly, I can't really blame these guys for taking advantage of having limits. If I were a porn star, and I knew that I could keep getting hired for scenes without ever having to perform with other guys, you'd best believe I'd do it too. I don't even really like watching gangbangs, let alone having to be in one to keep a job.
I have a real problem with assigning derogatory labels to porn performers who do set limits. Just because porn star XYZ doesn't do reverse upside-down internal triple-anal cream pies with interracial double-penile midgets wearing polka-dotted knee-high toboggans doesn't mean that he/she is racist, homophobic or whatever. If someone prefers BG or BB or GG or GBG or BGB or BBG or GGB or BBB or GGG or QWERTYUIOP, it's his prerogative. And, the way I see it, we should all be thankful that the performers do what they do do.
Next to seeing a guy furiously stroke his pecker, scenes with two guys working over a girl are a total turn off for me. The thought of some dude "accidentally" splooging over another guy sends cold shivers down my spine.
I love the German GGG series but hate this guy-dick cum fest, where everyone shoots over everyone else. Yikes.
I mean, if dude's enjoy this, fine. But, please, let's keep hetero porn straight and hardcore.
You mean "let's keep hetero porn exactly how I like it?"
Just buy the shit you like and avoid the shit you don't. Easy. Judging by this forum, and what's produced, a lot of people like b/b/g scenes, whether it's DP/DAP/DPP/DBJ/etc, so it seems you're not the arbiter of taste by any means.
There's a lot of shit I'd like to see disappear from porn as well, which I'm not going to derail this thread with, but I just try to avoid the things I dislike as much as possible.
Absolutely. If not the quote of the month, or even year.
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donut*king Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 9 2005 : 6:55PM
And the poeple who come up with this stuff would probably bash a gay guy if they got hit on at a club.
It's like calling girls who won't do IR racist, the best reply is to ask these idiots how many black men they have screwed, if the answer is no then by their logic they are homophobes and racists to boot.
There are so many personal tastes regarding sexual activity that I just can't understand calling someone any type of "phobic" for not wanting to perform certain acts. Personally I would like to have sex in a 3 way with one woman and two men. I would even enjoy sucking the other guy's cock, but I wouldn't want to do double penetration in the same orifice. It just doesn't sound pleasurable to have my cock rubbing against another cock. I don't think you can call me a homophobe considering that I like to suck cocks, can you?
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 10 2005 : 1:36AM
donut*king wroteI was confused by that remark. The people who come up with what stuff? Do you mean that people who like b/g/b scenes would be repulsed by being hit on by a gay guy, or that people who don't like b/g/b scenes would be repulsed by being hit on by a gay guy? I wasn't exactly sure of how you meant it. Either way, it's stereotypical.White girls who don't do IR are racist. Anytime a performer singles out an entire race of people as people with whom he/she refuses to work, it is racism. For example, if a white girl says that she doesnt want to work with Mr. Marcus or Lex Steele because she just doesn't like those particular guys for whatever reason, then that is an acceptable personal reason. Not racism! However, whenever a girl says she will not work with ANY black guy based solely on the fact that the guy is black, then Yes, that is pure and utter racism. There is a difference between choosing not to work with individual perfomers and choosing not to work with any performer who is of a certain race, which qualifies as racism.
mod note: It's OK with me if somebody doesn't appreciate a female performer not working with black men but let's not derail AztecGold11's thread just to take the race issue to round 121.
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donut*king Deactivated User
35 Posts 9/05
Posted - Dec 10 2005 : 4:54AM
tip if a male pornstar won't have sex with a man is he a homophobe then?
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donut*king Deactivated User
35 Posts 9/05
Posted - Dec 10 2005 : 5:00AM
Well i haven't had 121 rounds and i have every right to answer what somebody posted.
As for the first post in the thread, he's calling a guy a homophobe if he doesn't want to grind dicks with another man, hardly going to see a great round of responses on that note are we?
this thread was derailed the moment he pressed send.
Second, you have the right to post on these forums only so long as you comply with the rules in, and the spirit of the Forum Etiquette. You should read it. Take particular note of the section about freedom of speech.
Third, I put my moderator hat on because of the turn this thread was taking to the issue of racist performers. Whether or not you've personally been involved in previous meltdowns in irrelevant. This thread isn't about race and it isn't going to be allowed to become about that. Got it?
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donut*king Deactivated User
35 Posts 9/05
Posted - Dec 10 2005 : 5:45AM
Is that aimed at me or you?
What is it with the web and nazi mods?
hell you would think a porn forum of all things would mean less of that crap.
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donut*king Deactivated User
35 Posts 9/05
Posted - Dec 10 2005 : 5:48AM
it's not like the thread was being taken completely off topic.
it was a perfectly acceptable analogy and one that clearly shows up the idiocy of the notion that any of these performers were homophobes.
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