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RobHammer
Independent Producer

San Jose, CA
444 Posts
4/03
Posted - Mar 3 2005 : 2:03AM
As an executive producer, I am financing production for an independent studio in Seattle. I asked the producer to send a message out, saying that we will be utilizing the services of the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation, http://aim-med.org, and expect all performers to be tested at our expense prior to arriving on set.

He asked, can you tell me why you are doing this?

I responded by saying that this is a standard requirement for working in the adult industry. As producers we have an obligation to abide by the industry standards. Failure to do so could leave us open to litigation. Should a performer contract a sexually transmitted disease on set, we could be held liable.

He said that he does not agree. It has never been his policy and never will be.

One applicant asked, "How do I know I will stay clean?"

His response:
"We demand that all of the sex that happens on a shoot be safe and responsible sex. So, to my mind, the risk a performer takes in working with us is no different from the risk that individual takes in having sex with his/her partner(s) in his/her private life. Indeed, the case can be made that the confines of the sexual activity on our shoots may actually be more stringent than those practiced by any one individual in his/her private life.

"That being said, allow me to address the issue of HIV testing. My perspective is this - A negative test result means that no virus was detected in a particular individual at the particular moment when the test was administered. I've been a sex therapist and educator long enough to know that anyone who assumes a test means anything more than that or that transmission couldn't happen sometime after a test is administered is utterly foolish. My philosophy, particularly as it concerns work in this industry, is this - one ought assume that all one's partners are HIV+ and act accordingly. That's how i live my personal life, my professional life is no different.

"Safe and responsible sex works. I stake my reputation on that every day."

I agree with this statement, however, condoms can break. Is it safe and responsible to have unprotected oral sex with someone whose HIV (and other STD) status has not been verified? Even if all the performers are put in touch with each other well in advance, is it prudent to expect a cast of 8-10 people to work out HIV status, etc. on their own?

With all the hoopla that followed last years HIV incident, were there any legally binding mandates set down by OSHA, health departments or other agencies? I'd like to hear from other production companies for their take on the legal issues. By placing the burden of responsibility for safe sex on the performers, and only requiring condoms for penetration, does this somehow minimize the liability of a producer? If a producer requires or offers to pay for testing, does this open them up to possible litigation should someone contract an STD on set? Or does it protect them?

tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Mar 3 2005 : 3:56AM
Well, I have a question of my own first. Does this mean that that director won't be shooting any facials at all, and there will be no sharing of toys, and there will be dental dams used?

I've heard the logic of "a test is only good for the day the blood was drawn" argument. It's a copout. With PCR-RNA testing, it is highly unlikely that a male would become infected AND have his viral load become so high within the 30 days that he would be infectious enough to transmit the virus to a sex partner.

You have a question to ask yourself. Is this director guy rationalizing, because he wants to save money and hassle... or is he making these statements because he believes SO genuinely that HIV PCR-RNA tests are such a crock.

In answer to a couple of your questions... unfortunately, there are very little, if any, precedents set for many of your questions. Government branches are writing laws as they go, and your director would be operating in Seattle, not Los Angeles County, so he would be subject to Washington government health branches and their decisions.

Is unprotected oral sex risky? With a person who has a LOW HIV viral count - it is VERY low risk - almost negligable. However, without testing and simply relying on condoms, you would not know that they male didn't have a high HIV viral count. And the higher the count, the more dangerous even a blowjob becomes. The amount of HIV in precum from a male with a high viral load could indeed be enough to infect a sex partner - especially if they had compromised integrity of their gum tissues (from something as simple as brushing their teeth).

On a personal note, I'm not sure if all of your questions should be from a "could we get sued" standpoint. Maybe a couple of them could be from a "could I sleep at night if I financed a project that I suspected was dangerous and someone ended up getting infected?" standpoint.

Ivor Biggun
Deactivated User

99 Posts
6/04
Posted - Mar 3 2005 : 5:19AM
Isn't this exactly what did happen with Darren James?
RobHammer
Independent Producer

San Jose, CA
444 Posts
4/03
Posted - Mar 3 2005 : 12:53PM
Thank you Tricia,

I made my personal position clear. Testing is the only way to determine a persons HIV and other STD status. No one should be required to perform with someone whose status they are unsure of.

My phrasing of questions from a legal standpoint is because of his position, not mine:
"Get some advice from an industry based lawyer about the liability issues regarding studio sponsored HIV testing. Formulate a policy for *your* company and stick to it. That's what I have done and am doing. And until I get credible legal advice to the contrary, I plan to stay the course."

To answer your question regarding the level of activity, this is up to the performers. He does not require protection for oral sex, only condoms for penetration.

Edited by - RobHammer on 3/3/2005 12:54:06 PM

Ren Galskap
Deactivated User

35 Posts
9/04
Posted - Mar 3 2005 : 4:43PM
Yes. But Trish is right that the arguments against testing are cop-outs.

First of all, there's nothing that works as well as condoms against STDs, if they are used 100% of the time. If usage drops to 90% of the time, they're basically useless. The only people in porn who use condoms 100% of the time are a small number of people who have exclusive contracts with condom-only companies, and the even smaller number of people who can afford to turn down work if it doesn't involve condoms.

Testing works by catching people who are infected and removing them from the talent pool. This reduces the probability of one performer infecting another performer by reducing the number of people who are infected. It provides no guarantee that any given performer is not infected at any given time. It only reduces the probability.

Christian Mann at Video Team tried condom-only with non-contract performers for a couple of years, but gave up the experiment. Not only was he losing market share with safe-sex videos, but he realized that he wasn't protecting the performers. They were having protected sex on his sets, but then they worked for other companies without condoms. Their condom usage was probably below 50%. So they ran the same risk of infection whether they used condoms on his sets or not.

If a producer is only worried about protecting himself from liability, safe sex is the only effective way. But as Trish points out, that means no facials, not shared toys, etc. If a producer wants to protect the performers, the only effective way, given current conditions in the industry, is testing.

 
RobHammer
Independent Producer

San Jose, CA
444 Posts
4/03
Posted - Mar 7 2005 : 7:02PM
This is only one issue for which we've been talking at cross purposes. After two months of planning, including a major casting effort, not one woman who responded to the casting call signed on for the production (imagine that). He bailed out, so it's a moot point. I don't think he's going to be very successful.
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Mar 8 2005 : 8:19AM
Are there really actors and actresses who are still willing to work for a studio that doesn't require the industry standard testing policies?
I suppose that most of these people are getting tested anyway if they are already working within the industry. But, this kind of head-in-the-sand lax attitude could seriously affect people's health if tolerated by actual industry professionals!

If this guy thinks that he can film "safe and responsible sex" scenes to the point that "... the risk a performer takes in working with us is no different from the risk that individual takes in having sex with his/her partner(s) in his/her private life," he's a madman.

Proper testing is the only way to level the playing field and ensure performers that some standard has been met by which they can make their own informed decisions as to what types of sex they are willing to perform with given individuals.
Unfortunately, there are the drug-addicted and, even, name-brand stars turning tricks for $50 (which just happened recently) that would put an entire industry at risk were it not for AIM and regular testing.

I've got to believe that there is enough work available that porn professionals -- both in front of and behind the camera -- should simply refuse to work for companies that refuse to adhere to industry standard testing policies.

<end rant>

YogaDame All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

bien dans ma peau
198 Posts
7/05
Posted - Dec 25 2005 : 7:06PM
Ernest Greene posted a relevant observation on another thread today. Greene's remarks are not an argument against the importance of condoms (quite the contrary—please follow the link to see the full context of his discussion), but a clarification about the necessity of testing.



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