Hey guys, first post here. Great site, and it seems like you've got a cool community going, here. I thought I would just take a moment to get some opinions on something that recently came to the attention of both myself and my girlfriend.
The short version is that the series American Bukkake has been completely ruined for me, because of the sort of language used on their official website. The long version is thus:
I am a fan of the swallowing genre. Typing that, (or indeed acknowledging the existence of such a genre,) was harder than you likely realize. I am, at 21, only recently becoming comfortable with the more 'extreme' sides of sex. But anyway, because I am such a fan, and because I am still not 100% certain that I'm not a bad person for having such interests (heh,) this particular event hit close to home.
My girlfriend (or two years,) and I have been watching porn together for quite some time. She finds it as exciting as I do, and it's also nice because these directors have much greater imaginations than we do, so we get some very fun ideas. :) But last week, she finally (after much effort,) managed to get it out of me that I do, indeed, love the idea of a girl swallowing cum.
She, being the sweetheart that she is, decided to go out and grab a movie which focused on this, both for me to enjoy and for her to watch and decide on her own opinions of it. She chose (amazingly,) American Bukakke 25, the cover of which proudly proclaims that the girls swallow upwards of 45 loads each. So we watch the thing, and she found it fascinating, and I found it quite enjoyable. Bianca Pureheart, in particular, is a very attractive woman.
So she (my girlfriend, not Bianca,) and I went to the website of American Bukakke to see what else they might have around. What we found was, quite frankly, disgusting. And that's coming from people who just enjoyed a bukkake film. Things like
were truly repulsive. Or perhapstakes the cake. Or maybeWhatever. They're all like that. Instantly, and I do mean instantly, we returned the DVD, and made a pact to never look at another JM production.
Is this sort of thing par for the course? Because I can't really imagine my becoming used to it. Neither my girlfriend nor myself are prudes, or uptight about lewd acts, but humiliating and/or insulting the girls seems to be pretty much where I (we,) draw the line.
Any comments? I'd be interested to know the opinions of people more experienced in the strangely complex underworld of porn.
Hmmm, I believe that our actresses and everybody that is involved and doing this, must be treated with respect. That's not nice at all. Its kinda degrading, reading that quote/caption u highlighted.
You're not alone there. Whatever movies they make, when they want to project a public image like that, I'm going to look elsewhere for my porn. Other companies do it too, but JM are consistently the worst about it.
Many companies do this, I mean just look at some of the titles/boxcovers of Anabolic or Red Light District for example. Why is JM Productions the only company being picked on?
Because they are the makers of this particular video. I am not experienced enough with porn to do an industry-wide, blanket-ban. =P
Also, I quickly looked at some stuff said by Anabolic and Red Light District, and I couldn't find anything even close to 'she looks like she wants to slit her wrists during her scene.'
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Posted - May 16 2005 : 8:28AM
Dr. Beer,
I agree with you on several levels. I don't think it's right to say some of the shit they do on their site, regardless of it's true or not. I have bought 1 JM product and will not buy anymore as well. Now as for what Ramsey said, well I think he has something against RLD (Which I don't understand), but I can say after watching a lot of their product and seeing numerous amounts of box covers from them, I have never seen one say anything on the lines of "My daddy was right, I am worthless" or "he has to be the poster-girl for the "Just Say No to Drugs" campaign"... RLD typically have funny sayings like "Likes her cock dipped in ass gravy", "Eating cumfarts does a body good!" or even "5 pedigree sluts choke down 30chode blasts"... I don't know, maybe it's me, but I don't think those comments are in the same ball park.
Anyway, Beer, as a side suggestion, check out some of Brandon Iron's work if you dig swallowing. 'A Good Source Of Iron" is a good series. The "Swallow My Pride" from RLD and "Feeding Frenzy" from Jules Jordan (Evil Angels) are good too.
Whatever the girls perform in porn is besides the point. Referring to girls as "worthless" and treating them as sub-human has no place in porn -- or anywhere else in a civilized society.
This is just "fantasy"? In what sick alternate reality? I can't begin to comprehend those that not only countenance such behavior, but get off on it.
"Dude, it's hardcore porn, what do you expect? It's fantasy. Girls and studios will do whatever they think will sell DVDs" Please check the backcover of JM Gutter Mouths 31, what do you think about theyre telling about Katja Kassin? (i love her) : --Katja is another one of these foreign fuck holes thats from some cheap country where selling your body is as common as suicide bombers. But rather that doing the latter,Katja decided to better herself by coming to America and becoming a professional human toilet, instead of blowing people up Katja sucks people off.-- This guys are stupid or what? Katja is from Germany right?.
DR. Beer wrote: "My girlfriend (or two years,) and I have been watching porn together for quite some time ..."
SNIP.
Well, see, there was your fatal error, fella. The JM (& much other porn marketing, though rarely as near semi-literate as the sophomoric ad copy churned out by Steward & crew) marketing demographic isn't guys with girlfriends ... it's guys who are unable, by the demand of either personality defect or court order, to get within fifty yards of an actual human female unless they're at their HMO and a colonoscopy is required to survey the damage of all the Happy Meals they've consumed alone with only their beloved downloaded hate-porn collection & horned right hand permanently spasmed into a claw-like rictus for any company whatsoever ...
Good infiltration tactic you came up with, though!
I think this is seriously fucking funny. I find it hard to believe, though, that these girls, once the cum has dried, amass a collection of their box covers. Whatever is on those box covers must be written off as juvenile fantasies.
I can tolerate or even enjoy in a humourous, non-PC is good for you kind of way a certain amount of "whore talk" in a porn context, but the JM nonsense on that site (I saw it a while back) is so infantile I'm not sure who they think they're entertaining with it. I guess there is a market for this approach, but that would not be me. (On the other hand, some of JM's stuff is kind of brilliant in a punk-rock, gutter humor way.)
No, they're funny because they're funny. I mean, doesn't anyone have a sense of humour on the other side of the Atlantic? I had to change my forum pseudoname because self-deprecating humour doesn't cross the pond very well, so it comes as no surprise that this schoolboy humour also gets completely misconstrued.
Hey Quaze, great to see you among the living! Hope you're weathering this crappy era to be doing what we do all right ....
& in case I hadn't made myself clear in my earlier post to Dr. Beer -- the kind of crrepy-loner adolescent sense of humor that appreciates the ad copy in question is the same petulant, petty childishness that can drive a person to create an identity on an "enemy" internet talk board in order to try to bolster one's sense of cleverness to try & compensate for other ... deficiencies ... LOL
That scene starring Camilla in American Bukkake is terrible... if she was ugly I wouldn't mind it so much... but now she's one of the cutest girls to ever do porn... She deserves A LOT better than JM that's for sure...
I think you must really hate women to fully enjoy this kind of material...
Sorry, I don't understand your post. Do you want to say, that only beautiful girls deserve to be treated as human beings while the less attractive are "human cum buckets"?
I'm glad that there are still younger porn fans out there who know the difference between intense sex and treating a woman bad. Unfortunately there is a market for this sick stuff you've just discovered.
I suggest, for porn evenings with your girl you choose a DVD from Wicked, VCA or Vivid. And when you're on your own watch a swallowing film from RLD or Diabolic. They don't treat the women that bad.
As familiar as I'm sure you are with this phenomenon, I must take you to task. I find JM quite amusing, at many times arousing, and I have a great girlfriend. Of course, she would not approve of some of their antics, but the fact that I do has had no detrimental effect on my ability to maintain a relationship. I've heard irrational feminists(there are some rational ones) make this same red herring argument.
Porn is no different than any other entertainment: some people prefer humor straight from Leave it to Beaver and others like humor closer to Animal House .
JM is the only studio that does promotional writing for their videos that I can think of offhand. Their humor is definitely on the edgy side.
I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over what someone dreamed up as ad copy at the studios weeks after the shoot.
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Posted - May 17 2005 : 6:04PM
Now lets debate the Meatholes product. For the record I am pro- Meatholes .SEriously though, to each his own. I see that there are some topics that deride some of the couples companies for being too soft and boring. But a great many people like them as well. I buy JM product often and am usually not disappointed. As long as the actress is not forced or is lied to about what the scene entails or is not paid for the scene then it is all a matter of taste.
When I write the ad-copy for my videos, it is usually at 6 in the morning after a bleary eyed 24 hour editing jag... I'm not firing on all 8 cylinders by then, but I still manage to come up with something distinctive. I've shown alot of the packaging/advertising material to the actress after they did their scenes, they tend to be amused and flattered by the stuff on the box. The actresses I've met and worked with often don't want to see the finished product (in general, from most studios) specifically because they had a bad experience watching the first video they were in, the "cum-gargling-whore" monikers, the lingering close-ups of the nausea and drooling. Yeah, they are being compensated for their work, but it's time we showed the ladies some love.
juha: I just like cute girls more than ugly ones I guess... If an ugly girl decides to do porn of course she has to work harder to compensate. "Human cum buckets", "Human sperm bank", whatever JM puts on those covers are if not only humor also extremely bad taste... Looking at the overall production it feels extremely unprofessional; ugly designed covers and menus, flashes during filming etc. I tend to look for details, and lousy production can wreck an otherwise nice movie.
In some tt boy films they don't even post the names of the girls, much less a photo with the name underneath. Cheap and disrespectful. Wayne In Dallas.
good point Dr. Beers. The studios should be more repectful of their actresses. nice post.
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Posted - May 18 2005 : 4:36PM
I got a JM Catalogue in the mail. Beneath the ad for 'Gag Factor 5' (in which, by the way, Aurora Snow hangs her head off a couch and makes disturbing noises like a duck as a penis is pushed into her mouth with little regard for her well being) was the tagline "See dumb whores get throated within an inch of their worthless lives." I just can't believe a beautiful, intelligent, charming young woman like Aurora Snow would volunteer for this with disgusting people like that. Those duck noises are going to be reverberating into the ether until the end of time. She could cure several diseases and negotiate peace between Palestine & Israel and she'd still be known as the woman who got "throated within an inch of her worthless life" and made horrifying duck noises as a result. This sort of thing saddens me deeply.
I am not going to divulge too much information but at times the models actually do not receive pay for the scenes they did. I could name names and tell those directors what I think about them, but I will not.
Two examples. A scene was created and after the model in question was asked to promote this scene in "Israel". She was afraid because of the escalating violance there and because she refused to dedicate in Israel, the director refused to pay. The promotion idea was only thought of after the scene was done.
A scene was created for a very very well known female director and during the shooting the model became very ill and unable to work. The scene was still created but there was a two day delay in shooting. After everything was finished and the scene had been done, the director then told the model that she would not be paid because she missed two days.
These are the kind of issues that models face from directors and its not simply about how the wording is done, its also sometimes about how the models are treated during the shoot.
I cannot think of anyone in the world who would like to work and then be refused their money on some crazy excuse dreamed up after the work had been finished. This is what models have to face because of the demands of this industry.
It's alright because in the movie I yell at the guys how they have to go fuck foreign girls because their domestic american whores won't take it in the ass...
I don't understand the erotic appeal of degrading sexual partners. Are there guys that would talk to women like that in real life? Especially women they are having sex with?
What's not quite all right is whiteboy Steward equating all "foreign fuck holes" with "suicide bombers." ... It takes a really small-minded xenophobic asswipe to think that such remarks qualify as "humor" when they're don't meet anybody but a skinhead or KKK's definition of "witty," "ironic," or "clever."
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Posted - May 19 2005 : 10:41PM
While I figure a guy would write that stuff, I also have this weird thought that some girls who despise/are jealous of these female stars came up with that text. Like I would read the back of the, say, "Tera Patrick aka Filthy Whore" box cover and go, "I bet a girl wrote that."
I find the captions regarding the girls in the biography section of JM DVD's quite funny.. however, i'm not really a buyer of JM product, they come out with some good stuff but most of the time i don't find their porn that great so i usually just rent their stuff
Though it seems to me that Katja's quote comes from the film "guttermouths" with the classy boxquote "But rather that doing the latter,Katja decided to better herself by coming to America and becoming a professional human toilet, instead of blowing people up Katja sucks people off.--"
So I think (hope) it's more in the context of what Katja says in a silly JM film then Katja thinking she's "better" than American porn girls, many of whom do anal (as evidenced by Skeeter's million-or-so mostly-US-cast anal scenes).
I love sick and twisted humor , which in no way would qualify as "PC" . The problem with JM productions' version of humor is that it just ain't funny . It's the written equivalent of hearing nails drawn down a black board - painfully bad .
BTW good to see so many moderators from JM production's forum in this thread come out to defend their product . Nice one fellas , I'm sure you're earning yourselves a ton of brownie points with your lord and master .
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Posted - May 15 2005 : 11:13PM