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BigBobxxx
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 12:47PM
The New York Times
February 16, 2008
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By MATT RICHTEL and ERIC TAUB
SAN FRANCISCO — HD DVD, the beloved format of Toshiba and three Hollywood studios, died Friday after a brief illness. The cause of death was determined to be the decision by Wal-Mart to stock only high-definition DVDs and players using the Blu-ray format.
There are no funeral plans, but retailers and industry analysts are already writing the obituary for HD DVD.
The announcement by Wal-Mart Stores, the nation’s largest retailer of DVDs, that it would stop selling the discs and machines in June when supplies are depleted comes after decisions this week by Best Buy, the largest electronics retailer, to promote Blu-ray as its preferred format and Netflix, the DVD-rental service, to stock only Blu-ray movies, phasing out HD DVD by the end of this year.
Last year, Target, one of the top sellers of electronics, discontinued selling HD DVD players in its stores, but continued to sell them online.
“The fat lady has sung,” said Rob Enderle, a technology industry analyst in Silicon Valley. “Wal-Mart is the biggest player in the DVD market. If it says HD DVD is done, you can take that as a fact.”
Toshiba executives did not return calls asking for comment. Analysts do not expect the company to take the product off the market but the format war is over. Toshiba had been fighting for more than two years to establish the dominance of the format it developed over Blu-ray, developed by Sony.
The combined weight of the decisions this week, but particularly the heft of Wal-Mart, signals the end of a format war that has confounded and frustrated consumers and that had grown increasingly costly for the consumer electronics industry — from hardware makers and studios to retailers.
Andy Parsons, a spokesman for the Blu-ray Disc Association, an industry trade group, said retailers and movie studios had incentives to resolve the issue quickly because it was costly for them to devote shelf space and technology to two formats. Besides, he noted, many consumers have sat on the sidelines and not purchased either version because they did not want to invest in a technology that could become obsolete.
Thus far, consumers have purchased about one million Blu-ray players, though there are another three million in the market that are integrated into the PlayStation 3 consoles of Sony, said Richard Doherty, research director of Envisioneering, a technology assessment firm. About one million HD DVD players have been sold.
Evenly matched by Blu-ray through 2007, HD DVD experienced a marked reversal in fortune in early January when Warner Brothers studio, a unit of Time Warner, announced it would manufacture and distribute movies only in Blu-ray. With the Warner decision, the Blu-ray coalition controlled around 75 percent of the high-definition content from the major movie and TV studios. The coalition includes Sharp, Panasonic and Philips as well as Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox studios.
Universal, Paramount and the DreamWorks Animation studios still back HD DVD; none of those studios responded to requests for comment Friday.
“It’s pretty clear that retailers consumers trust the most have concluded that the format war is all but over,” Mr. Parsons said. “Toshiba fought a very good battle, but the industry is ready to move on and go with a single format.”
Because movie and entertainment technology has become integrated into a range of consumer electronics, the high-definition movie format war has created unusually wide-ranging alliances. The battle included, for example, video game companies; Microsoft has backed the HD DVD standard and sold a compatible player to accompany its Xbox 360 video game console.
Sony has pushed vigorously for the Blu-ray standard, not just because it is a patent holder of the technology, but also because it has integrated the standard into PlayStation 3. Sony has argued that consumers will gravitate to the PlayStation 3 because of the high-definition movie player.
Any celebration over the victory may be tempered by concerns that the DVD — of any format — may be doomed by electronic delivery of movies over the Internet. The longer HD DVD battled Blu-ray, the more the consumer market has had an opportunity to gravitate to downloading movies. Such a move, coupled with the growth of technology that makes such downloading easier and cheaper, has threatened to cut into the long-term sales of physical movies in the DVD format.
Mr. Doherty, like Mr. Parsons, argued that digital downloads are not yet affecting the DVD market and that they would not for some time. They said that movie downloads face a host of challenges, chief among them that many consumers have insufficient bandwidth to download movies or move them from device to device on a wireless home network.
Mr. Enderle, however, argued that bandwidth was improving and that major telecommunications carriers, which are pushing to increase speeds, would like to be able to make their pipes the delivery mechanism for high-definition movies. Wal-Mart, Warner Brothers, Best Buy and all the others lining up behind Blu-ray realized they had to kill HD DVD — and fast, he said.
“The later it gets, the much worse it gets,” he said.
By contrast, Mr. Parsons said that downloading movies “is not a viable option now or even in the near future.”
“It’s something that will move very gradually in that direction.”
Ramsey
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 2:33PM
Why couldn't Toshiba make a deal with Sony to come up with only 1 format and work together on it? Now Toshiba screwed themselves and fans who supported HD-DVD by buying movies and their player which is pretty worthless now I guess.
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 3:13PM
They tried in 2005 and failed. Once the two formats hit the market, there was no turning back. The only hope was dual-format players. However, given Toshiba's pricing strategy to compete with the more expensive Blu-ray players, dual-format players didn't make financial sense.
As far as the players and discs being worthless, that's not true. Existing players & discs will continue to work fine (hell, my Laserdisc player still works fine). With the imminent demise of HD DVD, I'm actually considering the purchase of a second player as a backup and maybe a third for my bedroom. Given the rock bottom prices, it will be less expensive to buy a second player than it will to replace the discs that I already own on HD DVD.
At the same time, I have no intention of purchasing any more titles on HD DVD. If they're already available on Blu-ray, I'll get that version. If not, I'll just rent the HD DVD version and wait for it to become available on Blu-ray.
Chest Rockwell
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Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 8:46PM
Any word on when studios like Wicked Pictures plan on releasing on Blu Ray? I've heard that they were looking into working out all the details a few weeks ago, but have seen nor heard nothing else. It is possible that what I've seen so far is just rumor. Now that my HD DVD player is basically only an up convert player since HD DVD's are being phased out, I'm wary of buying more HD DVD's unless I get a REALLY good deal and I'm so looking forward to seeing Stormy Daniels and the other lovely Wicked Pictures contract girls in Hi Def!!! Any points to an answer to my question would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:03PM
Your HD DVD player isn't going to suddenly stop playing HD DVD's. Given the additional manufacturing costs of Blu-ray discs over HD DVD's, even standard price for HD DVD's is going to be a comparitively good price. With the demise of the format, the next few months will be a pretty good time to pick up some HD DVD's. Also, depending on how many HD DVD's you already own, it's not a bad time to pick up a backup HD DVD player in case your exising player does break. I got a backup player at Costco for $79. I figure that the cost of the backup player is less than having to replace three HD DVD's if my first player goes bad.
There are no mainstream HD DVD's that I want to own that I haven't already bought. So I don't plan on buying any more mainstream HD DVD's. But, there are actually 7 porn HD DVD's that I plan on buying in the next few weeks or so.
 
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:30PM
I don't really care about which format won.
But fuck Wal-Mart and damn them to hell anyway!
ma meeshka
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Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 12:24AM
ezydvd had/are having some big sale on hd-dvd's. dropped from $35 to $5. they ship all over the world. if you're interested....
stormydaniels
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3/04
Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 3:03AM
Not sure of the exact date but Operation Desert Stormy will be Wicked's first release on Blu-Ray....I will keep you posted
Chest Rockwell
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Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 7:34PM
Great news Stormy. I was thinking of purchasing it again on HD DVD but will definitely wait for the Blu Ray edition. Thanks for the heads up. Awesome movie that is definitely worth the HD treatment. Can't wait to take a look at that one when it comes out.
ninja1
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Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 6:54PM
I have only SD discs. Is there any reason I should consider picking up a markdown HD DVD player? Can't they play everything an SD player can play (CD, mpg, mp3, jpg)?
Chest Rockwell
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Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 8:18PM
ninja1,
As far as I know they do. Mine plays everything my SD player did, but I've never tried Mp3, etc only DVDs. At the very least a cheap HD DVD player can be used as an upconvert player and you can pick up some cheap HD DVD deals if you want as well. Bear in mind though, once your HD DVD player dies on you the HD DVDs will not play on anything else.
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 8:22PM
Unless somebody already owns some HD DVD's I wouldn't recommend that they buy an HD DVD player unless it costs less than a comparable SD player. The upconverting capabilities of the lower priced HD DVD players is no better the upconverting capability of upconverting SD DVD players.
phatbasey
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1390 Posts
1/05
Posted - Mar 7 2008 : 12:35AM
Funny, I just got my five free discs from the player I bought right before Black Friday at Walmart. Oh well at least I only bought like five HDDVD movies.
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