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There are quuite a few things I did in my young teens that I look back on an wonder at...including wear sexy clothes.

It's common for young womyn to be exploring and discovering their sexual power at that time but it is in no way an invitation for men to get sexual gratification from.

In my mind, this type of behavior walks a fine line between harmless and dangerous. Rape and sexual assault is at epidemic porportions and behavior like this only encourages it.

Following this logic raping a young womyn would be O.K because she's dressed provocativly and had "asked for it."

I'm speaking to this from a very personal level and hope you can recieve it as such and not an attack. My hope is that you'll evaluate your thought process and perhaps re-think your opinion on this issue.

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On one hand, I think that what goes on in your own head is your own business... and to a certain degree, it's hard for us to control what we are aroused by and what we aren't. In that sense, far be it for me to blame someone for being turned on by a 14 year old girl who dresses in what many would consider a provocative way.

On the other hand, regardless of what the particular locality regards as the age of consent, there is a certian point (whether it be a certain maturity, or a certain chronological age, or whatever) where doing anything other than fantasizing about the girl in question is a serious sign of a problem.

I can't speak with authority on this matter in a larger sense, but I can speak for myself. I don't like to even actively fantasize about a girl unless I know she's 18.. or damn close to 18. Now that doesn't mean that I haven't had my bouts of fantasy over those who were younger than that--but were presented with an air of sexual maturity in a very young body. It doesn't much matter whether that image is REAL or not. I think for me that this is a ... state of mind... I wouldn't want to have sex with a child... not in the slightest. I would want to have sex with a young girl who has some understanding of what that means. Again, this has nothing to do with real life for me... it has to do with fantasy and image.

I also find that the more "real life" the stimulous is, the older they have to be for me to want to fantasize about them. What I mean is that media images (celebrities, porn stars, public personalities) are fantasy to me... in most cases, the images they project have NOTHING to do with who they really are. I am perfectly happy to fantasize about the image. On the other hand, a girl walking down the street who's 18 years old and who I find extremely attractive would be a slightly different story. To me, that's more of a reality... and since there isn't a media created image there, I have to think of this person with more care. Now, again, if I had the opportunity to meet Christina Aguilera in real life (even though she has entered my fantasies countless times) I would feel the EXACT same way about her--this is a real person. The fantasies pretty much go out the window because I'm not dealing with her image at that point, I'm dealing with the real flesh and blood person. The same things happened in Vegas when I met Ashley Blue or Belladonna. Sure I was attracted to them, but it was a chance for me to meet them in person, and my mindset changes when I do that--changes to a much more reality based thought process that emphsizes the idea that I'm just talking to another person, and I have to relate to them in that way. Not meaning that they are any less attractive, but that they have brains and personalities that get covered up by their porn persona's and roles as "sluts" or constantly horny women. It's a whole different way of relating to them, and I wouldn't trade that for the world.

Again... I don't know... all I can do is speak for myself. I think it is supremely important for society's individuals to understand the difference between fantasy and reality. I think a healthy and uninhibited fantasy world is absolutely essential to a healthy reality, but I believe we should all be very cognicent of what is real and what is not. The subject of men fantasizing about the idea of a very young sexually appealing girl is one of those very complex things that I don't think can be easily dismissed, judged, or explained. To some degree, yes, I believe it is about morals... and despite some people's seeming insistance that morals are a waist of time, I have to disagree. :)

Like I say... this subject is... really walking a thin line. It can be scary how easily one can say the wrong thing and be harshly judged because of it. It's also scary to think how all this might relate to real life crimes and sociopathic behavior. I certainly don't have any answers, but within boundries, I don't think that exploring the subject should be dismissed as unacceptable either.

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I think knowingly or not many teens ask for it to be lusted over, to be wanked to by some who cannot get sexual gratification or leave steam-off otherwise (because they are ashamed to book an escort, for instance), but it is NEVER ever an invitation or provocation for rape. Rape has nothing to do with sex, I think, it has more to do with abuse of power and maybe some sick mans hate of women.

I think every teeny girl has the right and should dress sexily, she should play with her sexual power, she should laern to like her body, learn to like to present it nicely. And, if some (older than her) boy/man silently saves her picture in his head and wanks-off to it at home silently, so what?!

Rape, however, has to be punished by the law - no matter how the girl was dressed.

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This gap between fantasy and reality is very important as is the gap he talks about between purely visual stimuli and the underlying person behind it. Whatever the age of a girl, be it 14, be it 16, be it 18 or be it 21 when you see her you do not see how old she is but how old she looks.
Look at this girl on Anabolics site:
anabolic girl

This girl may well be over 18 but she looks somewhere the wrong side of puberty. Is it really less sick to fantasise about this girl than say, some 15 year old you saw with fantastic tits and a great butt? Remember we're not talking about havind sex with them or even talking to them - their real age barely comes into it, all you have in your minds eye is their physical image which may not be representative of their true age.

One of the great hardships of my job is to drive around our local town in a fire engine with my workmates keeping the local citizens safe and looking out for attractive women There is not a man I have yet worked with who has not at some stage commented on the attractiveness of some 15 or 16 year old. I'm pretty sure I don't work with dozens of paedophiles, so its a safe bet to assume that there is fundamentally nothing wrong with finding a young lady, with a mature body, physically attractive whatever your age.

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Additionally, as 16 year olds, we were sexually interested in other 16 year olds. For a lot of people, the high school years stick in your mind as a highlight, and so do the early sexual experiences, so I don't make any big deal of it if my mind floats back to being in the back seat with a 16 year old who had had a couple of beers.

It's just fantasy. Often a memory-fantasy.

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Edited by - lindi on 4/24/2003 12:19:08 PM

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So yes, I have had fantasies, or at least pleasant thoughts, about girls of 16 or 17, but that's where it ends. And if they still LOOK like a child (leaving out that some of us are still mental children at 25), it doesn't turn me on at all.

Edited to correct gramatical mistakes.

Edited by - speelie on 4/26/2003 12:52:22 AM

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Sick. All of you. sick sick sick.

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Feds - go fuck yoursleves
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As for being paranoid. I think it because of television.

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Aiden was only joking.

Aiden, when you are joking, it is an option to add one of these.

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It's quite relative, at least in the fantasy realm. The little Asian chick from that link turns up in "Teens Exposed" with Steve Holmes and, uh, I always skip the scene. TOO young. Doesn't turn me on. The boxcover girl Ann Harlowe looks like she's in 11th grade, but clearly behaves like what she is: a barely legal porn starlet. So I can whack myself senseless watching her polevault with Luciano and his sidekick. Jailbait is sexy fantasy material though, but it's not like I'll be chatting up the little Catholic schoolgirls in their plaid skirts in the afternoon when I run out to fetch coffee and a muffin or strawberry tart. Still, they are sexy and they should be sexy. It's real and natural and God-given.

On the other hand, these teen Internet model sites strike me as geniunely pervy and disturbing.

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