(LF/BM) *Diamond Kitty *Missy Martinez *Isabella Des Santos *Ariana Marie *Luna Star *Yurizan Beltran *Jynx Maze *Brandy Aniston *Carmen Caliente *Veronica Rodriguez *Alby Rydes *Heather Vahn *Sara Luvv *April O'Neil *Rachael Madori *Angel Del Rey *Shy Love *Alexis Love *Renee Perez .......and several more. What has caused this decline in the once popular pairing of black men and latina women? Edited by - Curtom on Sep 16 2015 Edited by - Curtom on Sep 22 2015 Edited by - Curtom on Sep 22 2015 Edited by - Curtom on Sep 23 2015
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Posted - Aug 9 2015 : 12:04PM
^Mimefreak said on his thread that it doesn't sell, which makes me wonder what happened to the consumers who bought it previously.
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Posted - Aug 9 2015 : 12:13PM
lol Black men with white women sell but they don't sell with women of any other race...go figure...good news is new blood is coming into the industry everyday and change is on the way..
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Posted - Aug 9 2015 : 12:41PM
^Perhaps most of the people who bought it no longer buy porn. Who knows? We can speculate and theorize, but only an industry insider or researcher would be able to provide a definitive answer. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/9/2015 12:46:12 PM
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Posted - Aug 9 2015 : 4:00PM
Not true because BM/WF IR is always going to sell over any other IR, it's a fact. But there still some latino woman that are doing IR like Kiara Mia, Chloe Amour, Bridgette B, and now Mercedes Carrera but not too many of them. Francesca Le, Olivia O'Lovely, Mercedes Ashley, Ice La Fox, Eva Angelina, Heather Lee, Sienna West August are some of the hottest latino woman who ever did IR
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Posted - Aug 9 2015 : 4:42PM
I was just wondering why Black men don't sell unless they are with white women it seems strange.
Oh, I thought you meant Latin performers any kind of IR, including whites... I'm white male and love IR w/ Latins, Black Asian...any kind of IR....love Women of Color.
^ Who did Veronica Rodriguez work with and for which studio/website was it? And by "IR" do you mean she worked with a black man, or a black woman, or a man or woman of another race?
If LF/BM doesnt sell well that is strange. Because honestly, that is the kind of IR that I consider to be the most taboo. Mainly because racism today is most extreme between blacks and hispanics. But also Im thinking that most of the stars that the OP listed arent as popular, except Ariana Marie and Jynx Maze. If these girls were more popular there would be a bigger push for them to do IR.
Usually it is. [key word: usually] That's why I was asking the above poster to clarify, since to my knowledge Veronica has not shot with any black males. It's possible she has and I don't know about it. But it's also possible that poster is working from a different definition.
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Posted - Aug 10 2015 : 3:49AM
It's not weird when you look at where the viewership from BM/WF IR comes from. I realized from looking at it that a lot of top countries are Mexico, Middle Eastern nations and India/Pakistan. The Black man is the "stand in" for them to exercise their fantasy of being with a White woman. Middle Eastern Arab Muslim men in particular have a problem with anyone fucking "their" women on camera. A lot of Latinas probably look too close to Middle Eastern women for Middle Eastern guys to want to watch BM/LF IR. "Black" is also a top search term for gay men. Ever wonder why BM/WF IR porn covers have a gay tone? Because straight BM are probably only half the audience. There are a lot of very gay dudes out there who love BM/WF IR pornography. Gay dudes constantly push that genre gayer year after year. The stuff that we would see on the front page of porn vendors would have never been displayed 10 years ago.
^^ I would really like to know where you found that info. Because very little of it seems correct at first glance.
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Posted - Aug 10 2015 : 10:18AM
This is just pure guesswork, but here's my theory: Race relations were never as fluid as they are now. IR used to be much more of a taboo genre that "white" girls did very rarely before. So companies would hire Latina girls to do IR with black men because Latinas also had a tougher time securing work years ago. Pretty much anyone other than "white" people had a tough time breaking into any business right up into the mid 1990s. So those in the minorities would take whatever work they could. So the Latina and Asian girls did most of the IR work with black men because they had more limited work options back then. Supply and demand. Nowadays, IR with White Girls and Black Man is more popular fetish than a shunned taboo, and is becoming way more popular as a genre in porn. So the Latinas aren't being booked for IR as the "white girl substitute" because there are a lot more white girls who are willing to fight the racial stigma and do IR on a regular basis.
She's only done a scene with Alex Jones, who is not counted as Black in the porn world. She hasn't done any scenes with a Black man.
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Posted - Aug 10 2015 : 11:04PM
It should be obvious. Take a look at a lot of the BM/WF IR porn series. There's plenty of them where the man or a picture of the penis is pictured in the foreground, not the woman. Who do you think was asking for that? Straight Black men? No. It's the homosexuals who buy a lot of the IR porn out there. I know from looking on forums for BM that most BM are not happy with all the homosexual shit that has crept into BM/XF IR porn. It is not them asking for that filth. It's the gay fans who are asking for it and putting a lot of $ into the genre. They want it to be as gay as possible.
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Posted - Aug 10 2015 : 11:28PM
Some board out there somewhere has to have excellent research abilities. It would be great if they could provide us with some numbers so these debates would be based on facts not opinions and personal observations..if they are unwilling to provide the info at least point us in the right direction so the more opinionated posters can get it.
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Posted - Aug 10 2015 : 11:31PM
^^It's obvious that such scenes are intended for a white, male viewing audience who have a specific fetish, not blacks. I discussed the fetish a bit in another thread. It is very simplistic to reduce the cuckolding fetish to so-called "homosexual shit." Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/10/2015 11:31:40 PM
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Posted - Aug 10 2015 : 11:51PM
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/billion-wicked-thoughts/201104/the-striking-sexual-similarities-gay-and-straight-men You're insane. Straight White men want to watch dudes suck dick? Get fucked? Hell no. That is what homosexual dudes want to see. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/billion-wicked-thoughts/201104/the-striking-sexual-similarities-gay-and-straight-men Two psychologists did a study of the most popular search terms for gay men on the internet when searching for porn. "Straight" is their number 2 search term. "Black" is their number 4 search term. Neither of those terms even crack the top 10 in search terms for straight men. Gay men buy on average, more porn than straight men and watch more porn. A lot more. There is a strong interest in watching so-called "straight" men and it's part of the fantasy of gay dudes, to get fucked by a "straight" man. Black men are also very, very popular with gays. Gee, it doesn't take a genius to see why BM/XF IR porn is so gay looking. Because a lot of the dudes buying it are gay, the gay fans are asking for gay sex acts and themes to be performed.
^ You know, more than likely the prevalence of the term straight in gay porn searches is actually about gay male porn videos where one of the guys pretends to be straight (a simple conversion scenario, like a frat guy getting turned out by one of his bros, or a married man being seduced by another man). It's a pretty common trope in gay male porn. It's probably not because they're looking for actual straight porn. Especially since, you know, most straight porn isn't actually tagged as straight.
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 12:27AM
Like I said, it expresses their interest in a fantasy of being with a straight man. The study (and other studies) go on to say that gay men watch and purchase far more porn on average, than straight men. If you want to look on some gay counterparts to adultdvdtalk, guaranteed talk of what straight porn they like will come up. Also, if you're going to question why straight is so high, why not the same for black? Black isn't even a top 10 search term for straight men but it is number 4 for gay men. It fits with the long-standing observation that BM/XF porn looks quite gay from the outsider perspective. It may be less gay than the box cover would suggest, but that only goes back to why the box covers are so homosexual in the first place? To attract the gay men who buy that crap, that's why.
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 12:49AM
^You still haven't provided any data at all proving that the majority of consumers of IR cuckold porn identify as gay. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/11/2015 12:49:37 AM
^^ You keep saying not even top ten like it's somewhere far outside of it. It's 13. Without knowing the actual numbers behind the study, we can't compare how less often black is searched for by straight males than by gay males. They could actually account for the same percentage of overall searches between the two, it's just that straight porn has more searches that would rank ahead of it that don't have an comparable gay male term (stuff like anal [which wouldn't even be a gay search term], and possibly stuff like Asian [not too many gay Asian male porn stars compared to straight Asian female] or lesbian [which, according to a tube site which will not be named, was the second most popular search term in the world last year]). And gay men purchase more porn? Okay, I could believe that. But you haven't presented anything that says that they purchase any large amount of straight porn, outside of your anecdotal evidence that gay men know about straight porn, so they must be buying a lot of it. Edit: Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that black is generally a term that's used to search for black males, and term most often used to search for black females is actually ebony. I wonder if this study took that into account as well. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 8/11/2015 12:54:05 AM
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 2:50AM
Cuckold porn is de facto gay. No straight man wants to see another man fuck his wife. That's a primal taboo that is nearly universal across human society. Add in the fact that the MALE is the star of these titles and you can see who the object of desire is. It's a reversal of straight porn where the female is the object of desire and the male is just the prop/stand in for the male viewer. The gayness is upfront right there on the cover for anyone to see. Also, it's hilarious to see the cuckold fans come out of the woodwork to defend themselves against anyone who dares mention their obvious homosexuality.
Make up your mind, there - is it universal or is it just nearly universal? In a population of a couple of billion 'nearly' leaves a lot of wiggle room. Setting that aside, a taboo is a social mechanism. It is not a genetic trait. A casual perusal of the evening news should leave us in no doubt that social mechanisms, and thus taboos, are imperfect tools. That being so, I question the validity of your argument.
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 6:05PM
I'm not going to say I'm a big fan of cuckold porn, but I think you have some homophobia issues you need to work out, research1. There are several types of cuckold porn. Most of it is based on the male fantasy of fucking another guy's wife. There's nothing homosexual about that at all. Also, the submissive male role wanting to see his wife with other partners is not gay either. Or at least, not any gayer than gangbangs or any other mmf porn scene. If you believe the simple presence of two males and one female is inherently gay, then you're a bit confused. Porn is just as much about the female's fantasy of multiple male partners as it is about the male fantasy of taking another mans wife. Sure, there are some cuckold scenes that involve forced bi or male on male contact. That stuff is gay. There's nothing really wrong with that either if someone is into it, but you seem pretty angry about it. Maybe you should just get that obvious monkey off your back and go suck a dick to see if you like it. The rest of us will continue to enjoy heterosexual porn without feeling threaten by all the dicks.
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 6:13PM
i don't know what people are buying, but it's pretty obvious that as more white females began shooting interracial scenes, less Latinas were being booked for those scenes.
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 7:09PM
Maybe it's had to do with the fact that there is a lack of BM/LW IR movies been made like it used to. Justin Slayer had some many Latin IR movies, and most companies shoot in Brazil or Columbia. I hear that shooting in Brazil is cheap but it's also were most HIV can take place. You don't see a lot of IR companies make those movies because what the OP said a lack of latin woman doing black men but there are still some but not a lot
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Posted - Aug 11 2015 : 11:59PM
There may be hostility to foreign men screwing Brazilian women in Brazil. With the amount of female talent that exists in that country, it's remarkable how little content was filmed there before the financial crisis. Other than the previously mentioned Slayer, not many titles come up from American or even European studios shooting in Brazil.
There is no hostility to foreign men screwing Brazilian women in Brazil. All the women in these videos are prostitutes, and as such, are not desired by the rest of society. If it had been Xuxa it might have been different, but otherwise Brazilians understand that whores or going to fuck for money and the smart whore is going to fuck for Euros, Dollars, and especially Pounds Sterling if she can. You are projecting your own culture onto another one unduly. You should probably stop talking about things about which you haven't the slightest clue. And no content?! I supported my porn habit, and it was substantial, from 2003 to 2007 almost exclusively on Brazilian porn. You should probably stop talking about things about which you haven't the slightest clue.
What are you, like 13? It's amazing that you don't realize how you sound to the people to which you're responding. Why do you not yet know that sexuality is a complicated subject that goes beyond the small subset that you've as yet experienced. Try this: Stop making silly assertions and listen to the grown ups here; you might learn something and cease sounding like a kid or a retarded adult. I would be lying if I said I would turn down a chance to see Dwayne Johnson fuck my wife within an inch of her life, so proof by counter example. Go ahead and tell me how gay I am. You should probably stop talking about things about which you haven't the slightest clue. Unless you're gay, and already methinks the lady doth, well you know the rest, please stop trying to be the arbiter of what is gay and what isn't. It's annoying as hell.
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Posted - Aug 13 2015 : 3:33AM
Ha, the over the top hostility is quite funny. I said American studios or even European studios shooting in Brazil. Not Brazilian porn or porn shot by Brazilians featuring male and female Brazilians fucking. You should probably stop talking about things which you haven't the slightest clue. But then you go after me again because you are a cuckold or are into the idea of watching your wife get screwed? You are quite a low little creature, and yes it is inherently gay. Now, I'm going to have to cut you off.
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Posted - Aug 14 2015 : 2:43PM
I don't get how you can think that being a cuckold who wants to see his wife have sex with other men is "inherently gay" yet being a guy who watches other women who would never fuck him in a million years (pornstars) have sex with other men isn't gay. The cuckold gets to enjoy watching his wife do things a porn star does in fornt of him, then he gets to continue fucking her too. You jack off all by yourself and watch other dudes have sex with women (pornstars) who would never touch you in a million years. Isn't that inherently much "gayer" than the cuckold who still gets to fuck his wife?
Yeah it's a shame. I loved some of those classic Latina+Black romps that Justin Slayer made. They just don't sell like they used to. I think Hispanics like Blacks couldn't afford them anymore. We saw black porn decline a lot over the last 5 years, same with Latina. LT still occasionally made some I think. But it also happened with Asian+Black, not as much of a decline as Black and Latina respectively. But ethnic porn in general has declined, with the exception of IR, specifically white+black.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 6:28AM
Get LT or whatever the top Black directors are and bring some Latinos with strong crossover ability: Ramon and Carlo Karrera come to mind. Those guys have been acceptable to Black, White and Latin guys for years. I don't know if Ramon has been blackballed from straight porn...but the Karrera guy should be available. I don't see Europeans filming much in Brazil either. I really think it has to do with local folks not wanting foreign guys to bang local women. Japan has been very difficult to crack for Western studios due to cost and resistance from local guys.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 10:09AM
^Melvyn says that he misses the "Latina+Black romps" of porn's past and your suggestion is to bring in Latino guys?
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 12:04PM
"with strong crossover ability: Ramon and Carlo Karrera come to mind. Those guys have been acceptable to Black, White and Latin guys for years." You clipped the rest of my sentence. Some Latino men have a look that all three types can relate to. The male performer is the stand-in for the viewer. When White and Latin men make a decision whether or not to buy the title they can see men "like them." That really helps in broadening your customer base without really alienating BM viewers. I honestly think we need to re-think whether or not BM/LF "doesn't sell." I think it absolutely does sell. Cost and hassle to directors probably makes it difficult for BM to consider the trip. I also won't discount that local hostility plays a role. Why else would there be a surprising lack of European and WM oriented studios to go along with the decline of BM oriented studios filming in Brazil? I would think HIV and STD fears are up there too, but condoms are more common in Brazilian porn than American or European.
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Posted - Aug 16 2015 : 12:19PM
^It wasn't my intention to mischaracterize what you wrote, but a Hispanic male having sex with a Hispanic female is just that, a Hispanic male having sex with a Hispanic female. Was that the kind of scene Melvyn was thinking of when he wrote his comment?
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Posted - Aug 17 2015 : 10:56AM
I said use latin guys who have crossover appeal to bridge talent shortfalls. There are a few LM performers who a look that makes them plausible stand-ins for WM, BM and LM. If they are having trouble selling BM/LF scenes (and I don't really agree that's true because it has sold well in the past) they can film it partially with BM/LF and partially with BM/LF with a crossover look. That way you can pull in some WM/LF customers in order to supplement your BM customers. Everybody wins there. With that said, I don't believe there's lack of demand. It probably comes down to cost and hassle being too high for BM directors to bother with it. There are a lot of LF and plenty in the Los Angeles/Miami areas to shoot BM/LF scenes with. Plenty of LF strippers/escorts who are involved with BM. No need to travel to Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia etc.
The issue isnt the males, the issue is rounding up enough females willing to shoot for the companies that used to specialize in this market that have star power. Bringing in Hispanic and Latin guys to stand in for black guys is just a rouse and is basically a hispanic on hispanic film which no one is buying. In the glory days, which was as recent as 2011, you had talent ranging from Olivia O'lovely, Aliana Love, Eva Angelina, Francesca Le, Kristina Rose to more currently Rose Monroe, Esperanza Gomez, Sadie Santana, Tia Cyrus, Kiara Mia, and Harley Dean(she's actually Latina). There are a bunch of names I'm missing but there used to be BM/LF all over from Mami Culo Grande to Latin Booty Worship, Up That Latin Ass, USA vs Brazil Showdown, and Latin Orgy World. Now you got lesser talents ducking the black males altogether. Just a complete 180 and inversion on what the genre used to be.
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 12:53AM
I think that has to do with the shift away from California. Are those directors for MCG/USAvsBrazil still active? I don't think there were many directors of any race that were able to make multiple trips out to those places. It looks like the only studios that could do the logistics were BM oriented studios. Maybe the directors for those series retired and no one took up the mantle. I do think there is some bias against letting non-Brazilian men fuck the women because those titles for Anabolic, Diabolic, Red Light District etc. stopped years before the financial crisis and before the Latina boom hit it's peak. The U.S. economy has gotten better and the Brazilian economy is falling apart, communication has never been easier due to social media....yet no one is getting anything going down there? There are Brazilian MALE performers heading to Europe for work because I see them pop up in European studios. Kid Jamaica is from Brazil not Europe and he has been in a lot of stuff. The Brazilian companies/agents don't seem to want to reciprocate when it comes to access to Brazilian women though. Not with BM studios, WM studios or Euro based studios.
Before the recession almost every company known for producing IR content (i.e. WCP, Evasive Angles, Justin Slayer Intl, Jules Jordan, and Elegant Angel) all had at least one major LF/BM themed IR series. Goto xrentdvd and in advanced search use "latin" + "interracial" and you can see all the old latin IR series produced. Lot of movies featuring brazilian women get categorized as "latin" themed but even if you exclude those the previous statement is still true. I think you don't see as much 'LF/BM' porn being produced anymore for same reason you see less "BF/BM" porn .. cutbacks in production and supply and demand. Before the recession everybody was looking for a niche to expoit (e.g. asian IR, latin IR, white male/black female IR, etc). After the recession everybody cut back on production volume and focused more on content that produced the biggest return on investment -- white female/black male IR. I've said this before and I'll say it again. In the U.S. the primary paying customer for porn are white males and white males enjoy watching white girls get hammered by big black dicks. Of course black (or whatever race) males also enjoy watching it but white males drive that market financially because of their demographics. That's why almost every cuckold porn movie features a white male cuck watching a white female get boned by black guy. That being said I also believe there are in fact less latin female performers available to hire. Most female performers did porn to supplement income from and/or increase their rates for dancing and escorting. Now they are just dancing and escorting because there is simply less porn work available for everyone regardless of race. Big porn producers may not be producing those lines anymore but independents may still produce it for their own websites. Just harder to find those. Regardless, I think companies located in South Beach like Bang Bros and Josh Stone have always used lot of latin girls because of their location so you can probably still see LF/BM scenes being produced by those guys.
I think it's because it is less taboo. I'm black, but I've dated more latinas that actual black women. That angle is just not there like it would be for white women. In any case, what I appreciate most about Black/Brown porn is just a woman that appeals to my personal taste paired with an alpha male; I also like JMac just as much because he always shows up to fuck the way I want to see my favorite latinas get fucked.
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