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Bjones
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Adam & Eve Internet Commerce Group
30 Posts
7/02
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 10:31AM
check this out...talk about more government interferance

http://www.wral.com/technology/1607181/detail.html

I think I would just stop buying them. Doesn't the industry remember Divix? It failed quickly with Circuit City pulling them.

DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 11:06AM
Bjones,

Thanks for the link. That probably would be a death blow to DVD. I wouldn't want to buy more if I knew I could only play in a few times and then it died on me. Hell I have enough of them dying or having bad sections without the locks.

DenverDon

YogaGrrl
self-removed user

757 Posts
12/01
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 12:16PM
Just to make things a little easier, here's a link to that article: "Law Would Limit DVD Viewings." I agree that this is rather appalling news. I buy DVDs only if I'm planning to watch them several times. Otherwise, it would be so much more sensible to rent.

Speaking of which, how are they planning to handle the rentals? Would those DVDs be coded differently? Would that possibly open up a potentially huge black market?

Edited by - YogaGrrl on Aug 12 2002

Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 12:49PM
This might not go over too well, but I honestly believe one of the reasons adult video has become a multi billion dollar industry is because most adult tapes are "not" copyguarded. When the majority of adult video companies switch to DVD only (and with that, copy guard as well), you're going to see a lot of companies go belly up. I firmly believe most porn renters are too accustomed to renting a tape and making a copy to ever go back to "rent once watch once". I don't see many people spending 4 dollars on a one day rental when they can spend 20 bucks and buy a DvD instead. This raises the likelyhood of DvD rentals going the way of the dodo bird (extinct), and who buys the most movies from the porn industry? The video stores....

I just don't see people renting DvDs at the volume they rented VHS unless they can make copies at home.

Note - I am not defending the pirating of movies - just telling you how I think most porn viewers will respond to the coming wave of DvD only video stores.

Cyberchicken

Flash All-Star Supporter
Golden Age Classic

11018 Posts
5/01
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 1:41PM
I doubt that anyone has anything to worry about this. Although the DVD Forum, the group that sets the standards for DVD and DVD formats, and the Hollywood Advisory Counsil, a group of the various large film makers, has decided that the current standards of copy protection on a DVD aren't that great, they won't go to locking discs after a couple plays. They might make copies of the disc lock as some CD-R/CD-RW players currently do. As a DVD is ROM in all forms, it would be impossible to make the disc lock after a couple plays and make it only able to play in that one player. The DVD Forum and Hollywood Advisory Counsil has announced they plan to make better copy protection before any HD-DVD's come out, but I highly doubt this is what they will be going towards, even if it wasn't near to impossible to do. Plus the industry would lose billions of dollars a year from the loss of DVD sales, and since the industry has just voted down rental pricing for DVDs, where when a movie comes out it is high priced for video stores only, since they were worried it would heavily cut into profits they would never go with this idea.
Just my 2 cents,
Flash
 
Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 2:05PM
Flash could you go into more detail concerning the industry setting a rental price standard? That sounds like price fixing, which is illegal, so I'm curious if you have more information on this?

Cyberchicken

Flash All-Star Supporter
Golden Age Classic

11018 Posts
5/01
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 2:35PM
Rental pricing has been used for mainstream films for years, I don't think it was ever used for adult films. It started back in the VHS days and continues today. When a film first comes out, usually it is priced incredibly high to give video stores and Pay Per View a window where people won't buy the movie. For instance when Saving Private Ryan first premiered on VHS, it's cost was $119.95 per unit as opposed to it's current price of $19.95. When DVD first premiered, to speed acceptance of the format DVDs were given "priced to own" pricing so people would buy them. The fear was, after acceptance of the format, the price of discs when they are first released would go up for "rental pricing", but recently the DVD Forum voted down forever that policy being used on DVD due to the large profits the format brings in. That's why often when a movie comes out, the adverts on television state DVD for rent or purchase, VHS for rental and then roughly six months later adverts come back out for the film advertising it for purchase. Some titles don't get rental priced for one reason or another, Shrek was one of these. I doubt the practice is illegal since it has been used for roughly the last 20 years. A good current example of this is if you check the price of Resident Evil at Amazon dot com it's current MSRP is $27.95 on DVD and $107.95 on VHS.
I hope I have answered your question.
Wit
VCA Pictures

Chatsworth, CA USA
74 Posts
7/00
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 4:20PM
I agree that this is not something to worry too much about. First off, the law would only allow copyholders to use such encryption, not require it as a standard.

This is kinda like what the music industry is trying to do with music CDs (and they have already landed in court). If the law does go through and copyholders are able to restrict viewing, I doubt very much that adult producers will implement it. So, you should at least be able to count on your adult viewing pleasure.

What concerns me more, as a producer, is VOD and Divix ripping. I also think that this where the big boys should concentrating their efforts in protecting their copyrights and stop trying to squeeze consumers that are more than willing to buy their DVDs.

Just my opinion, but I'm sticking to it.

Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Aug 12 2002 : 8:42PM
I'd be willing to bet that the author of this article missed some things here (then again, I may be wrong).

My guess is that the law being talked about is regarding the digital copying of High Definition programming. Hollywood is very concerned about the future ability of people to make perfect digital HD copies of movies on Pay-Per-View and premium cable stations.

Some of the laws being discussed would allow a "broadcast flag" to be set that would dictate certain "rules" to digital recorders. These rules could include the restriction of any copying at all, that ability to copy but only view a copy X number of times on the machine that recorded the program (so you can't watch a Pay-Per-View while making a copy for a friend to watch), and unlimited copying (which is what would probably occur on broadcast TV).

There is currently a lot of fighting about this because many people feel that this is in violation of the Sony Betamax case which initially determined the copying rights of viewers.

Mythsong
Member

306 Posts
8/02
Posted - Aug 15 2002 : 3:50PM
> I just don't see people renting DvDs at the volume they
> rented VHS unless they can make copies at home.

You're assuming that a significant number of people who rent VHS tapes make copies of them, which I don't believe to be the case. Probably the majority of people who rent only see the movie that night then return it without copying. DVDs, for them, won't affect their renting habits. Plus, those people who do record from tape to tape now can record from DVD to tape just as easily.

Also, technology for recording DVDs is just in its infancy. Pretty soon people will be able to copy them just as easily (and cheaply) as they do VHS tapes now. Even when/if piracy protection is in place, those few people who are seriously looking to make copies will have ways around it.

Also, speaking personally, I rent a whole lot *more* movies now than I did before - simply because I find DVD to have better picture quality, better preservation of the original aspect ratio (almost every movie on DVD is rented with a widescreen version, while almost none on VHS has such a transfer), it offers more data (extras), it's simply more convenient to carry /use (it's not as bulky, and you don't need to fast forward or rewind in an analog fashion), and it doesn't degrade over time nearly as much as tape (even though there are sometimes scratching issues with DVD that you don't get with tape).

But, all in all, I don't see DVDs doing anything but taking over the market. (Just as tape took over the market from vinyl and CDs took over the market from tape.) The current market trends also support this. Sales (bought and rented) are up almost everywhere.

Mythsong
Member

306 Posts
8/02
Posted - Aug 15 2002 : 3:54PM
Oops. I should qualify the above by saying that I was talking about mainstream movies. However, if VHS dies in mainstream, I really can't see that trend not continuing in the adult market also.



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