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| blowfish Member 874 Posts 1/08 |  Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 8:03PM[Link] |
| Newton Cronkite Member 32 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Nov 18 2011 : 3:27AM But Lisa Ann has been doing interracial for years. Kimberly Kane Directed and did interracial scene early in her career, she admitted she couldn't do any while she was a contract star. Asa Akira has done bunch of Ir since her first one and that was prerecession. Kristina Rose gets a bad rap because she waited so long to do her first IR. Now people complain that she's in every IR movie out. I hope she does more, I love her scenes except with Manuel Ferrara. I don't want to see another chick in her first anal with Manuel Ferrara ever again or James Deen, 2 women haters in my oppinion. I say if they do IR cool, if not oh well. As long Phoenix Marie, Tara Lynn Foxx, Tori Lux, Jacky Joy, Amber Rayne,and my favorite Alanah Rae do IR i'm a happy man. And there are more nice IR friendly girls i didn't name but i like them also. [Link] |
| Newton Cronkite Member 32 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Nov 18 2011 : 3:55AM I would love to see Nat or L.T.tag Jessi Palmer and Tweetie Valentine. They are petite girls with nice bodies and for some stupid reason keep getting casted with monster dick brothers making for boring fuck scene. [Link] |
LCF  All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Nov 19 2011 : 6:45AM Tori Black might be gone Zoe Voss doesn't do IR anymore [Link] |
| blowfish Member 874 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Nov 20 2011 : 11:17AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Nov 20 2011 : 11:28AM [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 22 2011 : 12:32PM [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Nov 27 2011 : 12:28AM Using data readily available from IAFD you can count the IR scene listings... . Kristina Rose - 2007 started - 2008 (0 IR scenes) - recession hit in 2008 - 2009 (1 IR scenes) - 2010 (9 IR scenes) - 2011 (7 IR scenes) . Sienna West - 2007 started ... - 2010 (3) - 2011 (3) . Asa Akira - 2006 started ... - 2010 (3) - 2011 (8) . Lisa Ann - 1994 started ... - 2004 (1) - 2005 (0) - 2006 (3) - 2007 (0) - 2008 (4) - 2009 (15) - 2010 (3) - 2011 (9) . Julia Ann - 1992 started ... - 2002 (1) ... - 2006 (1) - 2007 (1) - 2008 (7) - 2009 (8) - 2010 (7) - 2011 (7) And remember IAFD doesn't list *ALL* the newer movies so the totals above may be even higher. Hey I'm not trying to start anything here. Just making an objective observation. Supply and demand at work. Fans demanded more good IR movies and the industry supplied them. I'm a very satisfied fan right now. [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Nov 28 2011 : 10:59AM Are you trying to say that I'm a racist and that I only fuck black guys for money because of the recession? Is that what you're saying? Because you're not saying it to my face? And I don't think you ever would. I don't know you? You don't know me? What are you like the fucking black dick police? Since I started doing IR back a couple years ago (when I ALWAYS said I would, after I did my first anal in yr 2, first DP in yr 3, then IR), I've only done a handful of IR scenes. Because for whatever reason I never get booked for it. Me doing IR has not increased or decreased my income at all and if you're insinuating that I do IR now because I need money, well, I think YOU'RE RACIST and I'd like to offer you a trip to the bank with me so I can show you that if I didn't really like black dick i wouldn't need to suck or fuck any if I didn't want to. Knowing now what I know, going back I should have just done IR first, then anal, then DP. Had I known there were so many racist weirdos that would stalk and hound me and take my business decisions to heart maybe I woulda done things differently. IDK, I never really thought about it too deep. But then again, maybe not. I got to the place I'm at in the biz because I did something right so... fuck everybody. lol. And I think it's funny that a lot of times the girls that are the favorites of people like Zambi are the same bitches that, yeah.. they do IR but they also charge extra because the guy their fucking is black. lol. And IIIII'm the racist one. lol. riiight. P.S. Back when I was only fucking white dick on camera, I was fucking black dicks for free on my personal time. You want any numbers or references that you can contact and verify this with, Sherlock??? [Link] |
| Solar4 Deactivated User 183 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Nov 28 2011 : 11:40AM And from what I've seen Kristina is fine with Black performers unlike others who are legitimately biased against them or those who do one or two scenes and demand an absurd paycheck for it. Edited by - Solar4 on 11/28/2011 11:41:15 AM [Link] |
| Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Nov 28 2011 : 12:13PM ----Dread---- [Link] |
| Simpsona Senior Member 2389 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Nov 28 2011 : 4:52PM [Link] |
| Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11 | Posted - Nov 28 2011 : 10:48PM EDIT: It's llike "oh snap, recession...sigh well i guess i have no choice but to start banging those black guys." I do find it really weird how there's actually racism in an industry that is depending on sex. I mean what the fuck. Even some of your most stone KKK members secretly wanna take a piece of some black ass and just bury their face in it. When it comes to fucking, who gives a shit. Sure IR is great fun and it feels diverse (i love diversity), but there are actually people who refuse to watch IR porn. What the fuck?! Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 11/28/2011 10:53:38 PM [Link] |
| sh_rock Member we the people in order to form a more perfect union... 518 Posts 12/03 | Posted - Dec 2 2011 : 3:23AM [Link] |
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| Mr_Heatmiser Deactivated User 56 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Dec 2 2011 : 2:21PM Like I said, don't get wrapped up in this goofy argument, anybody that would sit down and map out a porn recession map is just trying to get a rise. Like I said, people need to just enjoy sex with people and stop putting these labels on every fucking thing. [Link] |
| NuTTy_BuDDy Member 608 Posts 12/00 | Posted - Dec 2 2011 : 5:58PM [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 3 2011 : 12:14AM I *NEVER* claimed that anybody was racist!!! Just pointing out a fact ... the recession has in fact led to more big name stars performing more IR scenes. The numbers don't lie!! Coincidence? I don't think so. I think it is perfectly logical. There could be a lot reasons why: 1. Companies going after bigger names more now instead of shooting with unknown girls because bigger names produce bigger sales. Companies may be offering more money now than before also. 2. Stars are willing to do more IR scenes now because of less opportunities and/or less money otherwise. 3. Some stars (not Kristina ;-)) were less willing to do IR scenes before recession (for whatever reasons including bias) but now because of less opportunities they are willing to accept those jobs. 4. Some stars getting older and may not be as in demand as before or fans tired of seeing them do the same ole vanilla scenes. So they take the work that is being offered to them and if its more IR scenes than so be it. Whatever the reason there are in fact more IR scenes with big stars being shot now than before the recession. Supply and demand at work people. You think those companies didn't want to shoot with same stars before the recession? Of course they did!! It's probably easier to get some of them now. It's a logical observation but not a politically correct one apparently. That being said ... let's all be honest here and not bullshit. As we all know some stars (not Kristina of course;-)) .. *ARE* pressured to avoid IR scenes by their agents and companies. And some stars (not Kristina .. she says ;-)) are in fact paid more money to perform IR scenes than vanilla scenes. To say this is not true is a blatant lie. I should do a book like Freakonomics and call it Pornonomics. ;-) Edited by - zambi on 12/3/2011 12:16:46 AM [Link] |
| boozer Member 726 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Dec 3 2011 : 6:27AM I *NEVER* claimed that anybody was racist!!! Just pointing out a fact ... the recession has in fact led to more big name stars performing more IR scenes. The numbers don't lie!! Coincidence? I don't think so. I think it is perfectly logical. Statistics can be used to prove any point. The ones provided should be dismissed because they are inaccurate & incomplete. One example is that Lisa Anns 1996 IR with Sean Michaels in Pussyman Auditions 16 was omitted. [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 3 2011 : 11:31PM Sean Michaels was *NOT* omitted from Pussyman Auditions 16!!! I know because I rented the movie and saw it, not to mention she's on the freaking cover so how could the omit her scene? WTF? Go rent the movie watch it and then promptly pull your foot out of your mouth. It truly is sad when some anonymous sychophant embarrasses himself posting clearly false information. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 3 2011 : 11:40PM [Link] |
| however Senior Member Your boyfriend doesn't know about me and your mother 2134 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2011 : 11:41PM Edited by - however on 12/3/2011 11:43:35 PM [Link] |
| Royal Tee Member 665 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Dec 4 2011 : 2:07AM As for myself, I'm kind of at a point where I'm done with porn. I just down following checkout/buy stuff anymore.I don't know who the new hot chicks are. The IR genre was pissing me off(Wasting good available for IR Talent, Mz Berlin anyone!) so just decided to keep what I have and call it a day. Plus the PAWG explosion back in 04-05 has dried up. There still some girls carrying the torch now but back then...Damn. Georgia Peach, Julia Bond, Briana Love, Velicity Von, Claire Dames, Alexis Texas, Jenny Hendrix, Sunny Lane, Mary Anne......It was a glorious time. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 4 2011 : 8:07AM Economics is much more complicated than this , someone here picked up a sum and from that assumed many other things without any supporting number the number of IR scenes made doesn't mean anything if it is not compared with productions and demands. How many IR movies have been produced in the past years? how many are now? is the number of IR productions increased? Also is the number of IR scenes increased? I mean there were lots of productions with white performers only today is even difficult to find one,today almost any dvd has at least one IR scene in it. The IR market has increased greatly in the past few years , the number of scenes has increased as well there are much more offers to do IR scenes and therefore any performer does more IR scenes than before. It's called DEMAND not crisis and about Lisa and Julia Ann the other market raising is the MILF market and both are superstars in this genre , they don't need to do IR if they don't want to that statistic year per year has no meaning ,to have one you should list how many IR scenes have been offered per year and how many have been shot , if only one scene have been offered and only one have been made and the year after 4 scenes have been offered and 4 have been shot and so on , then it can't be said it was because of the crisis it simply mean they weren't offered that much If you have evidence of some refusal in the past than it may make sense but random numbers related by an unsupported assumption are meaningless Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 12/4/2011 8:09:49 AM [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 4 2011 : 2:56PM Lisa Ann has done a LOT more IR scenes after 2008. At just like missed that one I probably missed many more after 2008. If people choose to ignore the growth numbers after 2008 there is I can do about that. Yes its subjective but its still a strong argument based on the numbers. The only people who truly know are the producers who cast IR movies. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 4 2011 : 5:33PM How many have been offered? How many she accepted among those offered? if she accepted for example all the scenes offered then your point doesn't make sense, as already Kristina stated she did IR scenes when someone offered them to her , had she offered before she would do before It is the demand who has increased and therefore the scenes offered, THAT IS the reason why some stars are doing more IR than before consider Jenna Haze If I'm not mistaken she did her very first IR scene with Mister Marcus in Jenna Haze Darkside back in 2006 (6 years after her debut in porn) 2 years before the crisis, since then she did A LOT of IR to the point that nobody even remember that she didn't any for 6 years, she even did her first IR anal with Lex Steele (go figure) in Lex the Impaler 3 in 2007 again BEFORE the crisis. Why? simple IR market was increasing, the market was demanding more and more IR and thus many more scenes had to be shot and thus many more IR scenes were offered and of course accepted. you can't cut out the fact that the market has changed during the past 4 years. When I was a member in 2003/2005 the dogfart network had only 4 sites Black on Blondes, Glory Hole , Spring Thomas and Ruth Blackwell maybe another but I'm not sure now they are 17 , ok some of them are dead but still the network increased greatly because of the market. this can't be ignored , your assumption is made as if the market is as it was before , the market is dynamic not static any consideration of economics can't avoid to consider the market it would be nonsense Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 12/4/2011 5:41:38 PM [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 5 2011 : 9:38PM total number of IR scenes they performed per year. So how can you say they are senseless? Its just raw numbers? You claim the demand has increased. But I say the demand was always there!! I'm not talking about the total number of IR scenes being shot. I'm strictly talking about the quality of IR scenes shot now (i.e. the number of IR scenes being shot now casting most popular names not just generic performers or newbies). And I'm saying the IR fans *ALWAYS* wanted to see those stars doing IR scenes but it didn't happen as frequently or in some cases at all until after the recession occurred. Companies are now able to get them to do IR scenes more frequently than before the recession. That's my point. Whatever the cause or reason .. the numbers back this up. So I agree with you that DEMAND is why these scenes are being shot but I'm saying the DEMAND was always there. But for whatever reason it took market forces to make it happen. You want to make money now then give the fans want they want, and the IR fans wanted to see more big name stars doing IR instead of the same ole vanilla scenes they have seen before. Also just to clarify I not focusing on when that star did their first IR scene? I'm talking about the frequency of IR scenes. The numbers clearly show a major growth trend occurring after the recession hit. Lot more stars more doing more IR scenes now. Which is good for IR fans. I don't want to keep debating this. Just want to make it clear if the recession had not happened and companies were still making lot of money shooting vanilla scenes you would not see so many big name stars doing IR. And its not just IR scenes. You will probably see more big names doing non-vanilla type scenes -- gangbangs, strapon, etc. So in closing, IR fans (which includes myself) should be thankful for the recession. ;-) [Link] |
| jetpacksam Deactivated User Asa Akira Has Peed In My Shower 93 Posts 8/11 | Posted - Dec 5 2011 : 10:41PM [Link] |
| NuTTy_BuDDy Member 608 Posts 12/00 | Posted - Dec 6 2011 : 4:17AM Edited by - nutty_buddy on 12/6/2011 4:35:59 AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 6 2011 : 7:08AM again the number of scene offered does matter a lot if you don't offer me to do IR then I don't if you offer me to do twice I'll do twice if you offer me ten times I'll do ten times is it the crisis? Also even if the demand was there the offer wasn't the number of scenes filmed is greatly increased and this has nothing to do with the crisis Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 12/6/2011 8:39:46 AM [Link] |
| FadeToBlack Member 529 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Dec 6 2011 : 9:13PM You look good no matter what color dick you are riding :) But yeah, you on black pole is pretty hot! Just keep cranking out content (of all sorts) please! [Link] |
| MrSmith Deactivated User 58 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Dec 7 2011 : 3:36AM Porn fans take IR seriously because PORN takes it seriously. They take it so seriously girls actually have to THINK about doing a black guy like its a life altering decision( I thouhght doing porn period was a life altering decision.). IR porn is a business decision, they ALL profit off of it, business is serious. We chose to be fans of a perverse business, key word being BUSINESS! There is something out there when it comes to IR for everybody, specifics of the girl shouldnt matter you dont know them personally, they are not FORCING you to buy OR watch them. Look as much as I myself want to see more black porn done with black women in the industry and wish black porn had a more perverse attitude ( such as an all black gangbang my face, throat gaggers, anallickfest.com, or any rocco style flick.) approaching black porn, it doesnt look like Im going to see it. So I just turn to IR for those things, lol. Same thing with the girl, TOO many girls out there doing IR and have made a good collection of it such as Amy Starz (she cranked out a good amount and quality IR) to dwell over these girl's business decisions no matter how absurd you find them, and we do have the right to find them absurd, but at the sametime who cares... These girls that are suppose to be doing IR because of the recession... True or Not who cares. Is anybody thinking about these things while watching porn? I think not. I mean isnt it about the performances of a pornstar that makes the scene? Anybody? It is for me. Like for instince this is no knock or hate on kristina rose, but most of her IR scenes I have seen (with the exception of the one she had with LT) I find boring compared to what she NORMALLY delivers in a porn scene(she kind of like annette schwarz jr. lol), now like I said no knock on her it could be the black performers or the directors. So thats why I said her PERFORMANCE in them. But you know what? NO BIG DEAL!! Because I can watch and buy whatever I want, cuz Im the fuckin fan, lol. And if she or any pornstar I wasnt feeling in a scene or more or do not want to watch takes that to heart (I HOPE she doesnt.) it doesnt matter to me cause I can watch whatever I want. So I dont get people who havent yet grasp the fact that the performance matters MUCH more than the girl. When people start to finally see that, all this race shit would not matter, because if a girl does not want to do IR or have to THINK about doing a blackguy like we are th hardest decision they ever had to make(lol) or only doing IR for the recession.... thats her problem because there is NOTHING wrong with black men or Interracial. So I dont understand why we should address THEIR problem. Until I see the porn industry ACTUALLY trying to stop black men from doing porn films, I dont see a problem worth caring about. [Link] |
| bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Dec 7 2011 : 10:51AM Regardless of the races involved, a porn actress has a much more interesting body of work if she works with a wider range of studios, directors and male talent. Edited by - bootymeister on 12/7/2011 10:52:27 AM [Link] |
| Mr_Heatmiser Deactivated User 56 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Dec 7 2011 : 11:44AM You mean you don't like it? Tough! Them's the rules! * Gets back to steering girls away from the 'other race' while pretending to be friends with black performers * - Some random agent LOL @ 'interracial'. [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 9:08PM [Link] |
| Alcoholic Member Bodybuilder and sex lover 139 Posts 9/11 | Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 6:50AM [Link] |
| Solar4 Deactivated User 183 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 10:05AM Edited by - Solar4 on 12/10/2011 3:31:12 PM [Link] |
| lazboy Senior Member 1040 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 10:10AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 11:00AM [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 10:44PM [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 11:07PM Kristina Rose - Pornstar Superhero Mason (aka. Sam No) Appreciation Thread But her empire continues to grow. Her minions are everywhere. They are like the borg -- resistance is futile. Post anything that upsets her, anything slightly or implied negative about her and watch out buddy!!! She and/or her minions will descend upon you like killer bees. Truly a rose with thorns. She is the HBIC on ADT. ;-) [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Dec 13 2011 : 12:31PM My Kreepz are everywhere ;) We're like Fight Club. Project Mayhem. 'member tht shit. [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Dec 13 2011 : 12:31PM [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Dec 13 2011 : 12:32PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Dec 14 2011 : 2:17PM [Link] |
| a4e2007 Member 575 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Dec 20 2011 : 11:41PM cheers [Link] |
| shannow27a Deactivated User "Let me put my poems in you" 347 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Dec 21 2011 : 10:47PM Dick Jones: I had to kill Bob Morton because he made a mistake. Now it's time to erase that mistake. [Link] |
| however Senior Member Your boyfriend doesn't know about me and your mother 2134 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Dec 22 2011 : 1:49AM [Link] |
| Royal Tee Member 665 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Dec 22 2011 : 8:33AM [Link] |
| EchelonV Member 147 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 23 2011 : 9:15PM I figured I'd ask here since there seems to be a lot of Sean Michaels fans around, but can you guys suggest some scenes he's done with the smallest/youngest looking chicks? Hah... I'd love to see that. Like his scene with Amai Liu in Oriental Chicks Crave Chocolate is insane, and if they can take it up the ass like Veronica Jett did with him even better. He's another dude that makes the cut for me I guess and I can see how he has a good fanbase, quality stuff when he's around. Amai needs to do anal with him. Might destroy her though... lol. This might be the completely wrong topic to ask this though? Since this seems to be some serious business, and I just want some good suggestions. Edited by - EchelonV on 12/23/2011 9:15:41 PM [Link] |
| however Senior Member Your boyfriend doesn't know about me and your mother 2134 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Jan 1 2012 : 4:26PM Interracial Swingers 3  I also did my first interracial scene (which happened to also be a DP when I was still sick…Why can’t people ever let me fully heal before they shoot these things?? ). This has long been a sore subject for me. When I first started in the biz, my agent told me to never do IR. I was actually shocked to learn it was considered taboo. I just assumed that white/black/Hispanic/Asian/Klingon/whatever was all the same in the world of porn. Of course, though, now I realize I was very, very wrong (unfortunately). So, due to Mr. Agent Man’s advice, I put off doing it, and turned down a lot of IR work (even though it really did hurt me every time. (. I’ve also been told that there are certain companies that won’t hire you if you do IR, and clubs in “certain areas” that won’t let you feature if you shoot it. (And being from those “certain areas” I can see where that might very well be true.) But I’ve felt so much guilt over this for so long, that I finally just decided it was time to evolve, and let the chips fall where they may. If certain people don’t like me and don’t want to work with me any longer bc of the color of some of my co-stars’ skin, that’s really sad, pathetic, and not something I want to condone, any way. (Side note: I know some people hold off doing IR or anal or whatever else it is they don’t really want to do until they get really desperate and start trying to extend their career. This is sooooooo not my case. I never do anything -including porn in the first place- just for the $$. )[Link] |
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