The Graveyard of Porn Production Companies

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BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - May 30 2016 : 1:24PM With production being way down and many companies slipping into oblivion I thought it mighy be helpful to have a thread noting those self-same companies. Some may be shells of their former selves, no longer releasing original content just comps of all scenes. I would consider these 'zombie' production companies who are for all pratical purposes dead. JM Productions - Hasn't released an original video in years, just comp after comp. Red Light/Diabolic - Once huge, not a fan of most of their material but they produced so much there are bound to be exceptions. How did they fall apart so quickly? Vivid - Not a hundred percent on this one but when did they last release something? Their site is all about their strip clubs, radio and old celeb videos. Elegant Angel - Once my favourite, they were reduced to comps and their best talent left to form HardX and ArchAngel. Now bought out by another company and restarting production, they may do good work but no one from the original company remains. Sin City - Remember them? Black Ice - Never the best but they featured many of my favourite black and latino performers. A niche no longer served very well imo. Caballero - I'm listing them mainly because they have some classic-era features and most of Andrew Blake's best work in their catalogue. VCA - In the 80s and even into the 90s VCA was huge. Lots of classic from the golden age and more modern porn in their catalogue. Justin Slayer Productions/International - Made a go of it for a while after losing his Evil Angel deal but haven't seen anything in years. Extreme - The saga of this once successful company is pretty well known I think. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Rob Black. Seymour Butts - Seems almost forgotten now but once was dominant. That terrible reality show was around the time when he started to decline in relevance. Seems to have released a few titles last year strangely enough, did anyone see them? Am I correct on all these? Remember recyled comps don't count. Others to add? Edited by - BlackSix on May 30 2016 [Link]
AKperv All-Star Member 1255 Posts 4/14	Posted - May 30 2016 : 1:45PM Add Anabolic. [Link]
2bollocks Senior Member 3588 Posts 3/10	Posted - May 30 2016 : 2:14PM I'm wondering if they're making any profit with all of those compilation dvd's. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - May 30 2016 : 2:14PM I was wondering about Vivid. What happened? They seemed to be making a turn toward reality porn (swingers, sex tapes) and parodies, which was a smart business move. And then....nothing. Axel Braun left, and the parodies dried up. Are those swinger and groupie movies current? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - May 30 2016 : 4:09PM Also Platinum X Woodburn And WCP is just the ghost of what it was once and I'm unable to find anything from the Candy Shop and Juicy Elegant Angles too TT Boy productions Pink Visual man is it really THAT bad? [Link]

2bollocks Senior Member 3588 Posts 3/10	Posted - May 30 2016 : 4:19PM ^I think it's much worse. Even a lot of website-based companies have suffered the same fate. [Link]
Jackie Treehorn Member It'll knock both your eyes out! 311 Posts 3/04	Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:13PM I think the problem with Vivid was a severe miscalculation in their business model. When the market for physical media began to shrink, instead of adapting with a strong online service they tried fixing the problem with band aids, like making major changes to the type of content they were producing and selling. Reading some of the articles about Vivid from the late 2000's they seemed to be focused heavily on "celebrity" sex tapes. Relying on sex tapes always seemed like a weak plan, as it's something where you can have no real control over the release of fresh material. I can't recall any celebrity sex tapes from the last year or two that people got excited over. The last one the seemed to get any buzz was that MTV teen mom. In hindsight the problem may not have been with the type content Vivid had built their empire on but the outdated manner in which they were selling it. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:16PM Devils Films: They still add the odd movie but they are a mere shadow of a once great studio. Private: They still release the odd new video but again a mere shadow of a great studio. Extreme Associates: I know why they are gone but they once had a slew of release each year. Hustler: Not sure about this one but I don't hear a lot of new stuff coming from them(if any). Here are a few more: Harmony, Combat Zone and Adam & Eve. [Link]
jeffandersonn Deactivated User 1605 Posts 3/13	Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:44PM diabolic [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:54PM Jesus. Maybe we should start a list of studios that started over five years ago and are still actively and regularly producing content. [Link]
jeffandersonn Deactivated User 1605 Posts 3/13	Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:11PM add Mike John/Tim von Swine Production [Link]
StevenWelch Senior Member I love Tory Lane! 3615 Posts 12/12	Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:45PM a most interesting thread yet s of course tragic. [Link]
RicoEvilAngel Senior Member ^ Alexis Texas in Buttman's Stretch Class #4 1348 Posts 12/15	Posted - May 30 2016 : 9:29PM How did justin slayer lose his Evil Angel deal? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:36PM LCF wrote: Also Platinum X Woodburn And WCP is just the ghost of what it was once and I'm unable to find anything from the Candy Shop and Juicy Elegant Angles too TT Boy productions Pink Visual man is it really THAT bad? Click to expand All good calls. Evasive Angles use to produce loads of content. Edited by - BlackSix on 6/1/2016 6:50:59 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:37PM RicoEvilAngel wrote: How did justin slayer lose his Evil Angel deal? Click to expand Never made super clear apparently there was a dispute between Slayer and Stagliano about the visual quality of Slayers' later releases. [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:45PM pat362 wrote: Private: They still release the odd new video but again a mere shadow of a great studio. Click to expand Wondered about this, haven't kept up much with modern Europorn. Marc Dorcel, LP and Woodman are the only ones that seem to be producing. Woodman is down to a one man band model too. Any other major producers left in Europe? Jacco? Huster looks like they may have bought VCA's catalogue but they have no idea what to do with it. Too bad as there many classic era gems in their catalogue. [Link]
RicoEvilAngel Senior Member ^ Alexis Texas in Buttman's Stretch Class #4 1348 Posts 12/15	Posted - May 31 2016 : 7:32AM BlackSix wrote: RicoEvilAngel wrote: How did justin slayer lose his Evil Angel deal? Click to expand Never made super clear apparently there was a dispute between Slayer and Stagliano about the visual quality of Slayers' later releases. Click to expand Damn, I always thought he left on good terms to do his own thing. Mami Culo Grande, Phatty Girls & Big Booty Revenge are classics! [Link]
cormac Senior Member 1093 Posts 1/14	Posted - May 31 2016 : 8:24AM BlackSix wrote: pat362 wrote: Private: They still release the odd new video but again a mere shadow of a great studio. Click to expand Wondered about this, haven't kept up much with modern Europorn. Marc Dorcel, LP and Woodman are the only ones that seem to be producing. Woodman is down to a one man band model too. Any other major producers left in Europe? Jacco? Huster looks like they may have bought VCA's catalogue but they have no idea what to do with it. Too bad as there many classic era gems in their catalogue. Click to expand Harmony still release films, not as many as they used to. Other European studios still going: 21sextury Explicit Empire Nathan Blake Mature nl GGG (yeuch) Eromaxx The worst genre for repeat material is transsexuals. Leave aside Evil Angel (and even Jay Sin has gone) and Trans 500, and every damn film is a compilation. [Link]
RicoEvilAngel Senior Member ^ Alexis Texas in Buttman's Stretch Class #4 1348 Posts 12/15	Posted - May 31 2016 : 9:35AM Vince Vouyer Unleashed Robert Hill Releasing co. Edited by - RicoEvilAngel on 5/31/2016 9:37:33 AM Edited by - RicoEvilAngel on 5/31/2016 9:45:36 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - May 31 2016 : 9:39AM VCX [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - May 31 2016 : 1:49PM I have about 400 porn studios in our system and only between 100-150 of those are active. I can't give the exact number, as we have a lot of classic studios that don't produce new titles but we still sell their old titles. Jacco [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - May 31 2016 : 3:03PM Thanks Jacco. Flash, is VCX's catalogue now with Video X Pix? Who are now Distripix? Not sure how that all works. Believe TVX was an illegit splinter from VCX releasing films they didn't really have the rights to. Considering the piss poor quality of their releases I could believe it. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - May 31 2016 : 3:06PM RicoEvilAngel wrote: Vince Vouyer Unleashed Robert Hill Releasing co. Click to expand VV use to do some good scenes. I thought After Hours Cinema were done but checking their site they have two releases scheduled. Edited by - BlackSix on 5/31/2016 3:23:33 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - May 31 2016 : 4:08PM Distribpix is Video-X-Pix. I believe VCX is themselves. They started back up production with Angel Face, supposed to be one of four then they went dark again. [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - May 31 2016 : 6:34PM 2bollocks wrote: ^I think it's much worse. Even a lot of website-based companies have suffered the same fate. Click to expand Sadly, you are right. Even just looking at sites that cater to the pee fetish niche, which is a large niche but still a small slice of porn overall, there have been over 300 companies that have closed. I've put in countless hours to document the early days, and been able to either save or recover some or all content from each of these companies. The list is unwieldy, so I apologize for that. Also, sorry for the dates and times, I generated this list with a dir command. list temporarily down for edits Edited by - LPee23 on 6/1/2016 7:50:59 PM [Link]

joachim Senior Member 03 12 15 16 18 04 07 13 18 2285 Posts 1/09	Posted - May 31 2016 : 6:37PM BlackSix wrote: LCF wrote: Also Platinum X Woodburn And WCP is just the ghost of what it was once and I'm unable to find anything from the Candy Shop and Juicy Elegant Angles too TT Boy productions Pink Visual man is it really THAT bad? Click to expand All good calls. Elegant Angles use to produce loads of content. Edited by - BlackSix on 5/30/2016 11:38:19 PM Click to expand I think you mean Evasive Angles. [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - May 31 2016 : 10:31PM LPee23 wrote: Sadly, you are right. Even just looking at sites that cater to the pee fetish niche, which is a large niche but still a small slice of porn overall, there have been over 300 companies that have closed. I've put in countless hours to document the early days, and been able to either save or recover some or all content from each of these companies. The list is unwieldy, so I apologize for that. Also, sorry for the dates and times, I generated this list with a dir command. Click to expand While I'm sure many of those sites had some sort of pee fetish content at some point, it looks like only a handful of those were actually devoted to it and the vast majority simply had some content that happened to include peeing. That makes your argument about "just a small slice" rather disingenuous when your evidence is a much broader selection of sites. And some of those sites are from stars who've been out of the business for years. Is it that big of a surprise that Taylor Rain's site isn't up any longer? (or that whoever was domain-squating since then didn't last?) also, dir /b will get you the list without the times and dates for future reference. [Link]
dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 4:59AM Blue Coyote. Roy Alexandre produced and directed content advertised as "non-violent", (vanilla). How refreshing for me (and boring to many) to have non-violent content available. "Natural Wonders of the World" was a long-running series. Being a fan of Christina Jolie, (I love her smile) I was able to purchase several dvds direct from the company in California for less than $5.00 each. Sadly, their web site is shut down (RoyaleBlueMedia.com) and their content is limited to other retailers. [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 6:53AM murdock wrote: LPee23 wrote: Sadly, you are right. Even just looking at sites that cater to the pee fetish niche, which is a large niche but still a small slice of porn overall, there have been over 300 companies that have closed. I've put in countless hours to document the early days, and been able to either save or recover some or all content from each of these companies. The list is unwieldy, so I apologize for that. Also, sorry for the dates and times, I generated this list with a dir command. Click to expand While I'm sure many of those sites had some sort of pee fetish content at some point, it looks like only a handful of those were actually devoted to it and the vast majority simply had some content that happened to include peeing. That makes your argument about "just a small slice" rather disingenuous when your evidence is a much broader selection of sites. And some of those sites are from stars who've been out of the business for years. Is it that big of a surprise that Taylor Rain's site isn't up any longer? (or that whoever was domain-squating since then didn't last?) also, dir /b will get you the list without the times and dates for future reference. Click to expand I stand by what I said. I never said they were all pee sites, I said they catered to the niche, which is true. Also, sites that feature pee content are a small slice of sites overall. I can tell you they account for less than 5% of sites and probably 1-2%. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 6:55AM joachim wrote: I think you mean Evasive Angles. Click to expand Right, thanks for the correction. As Harri pointed out long ago their name was probably a cynical exploit of the two more famous EA companies. Believe Evasive was partially owned by TT Boy himself. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:31AM joachim wrote: BlackSix wrote: LCF wrote: Also Platinum X Woodburn And WCP is just the ghost of what it was once and I'm unable to find anything from the Candy Shop and Juicy Elegant Angles too TT Boy productions Pink Visual man is it really THAT bad? Click to expand All good calls. Elegant Angles use to produce loads of content. Edited by - BlackSix on 5/30/2016 11:38:19 PM Click to expand I think you mean Evasive Angles. Click to expand Yes I did , of course , I messed up names [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 12:55PM LPee23 wrote: I stand by what I said. I never said they were all pee sites, I said they catered to the niche, which is true. Also, sites that feature pee content are a small slice of sites overall. I can tell you they account for less than 5% of sites and probably 1-2%. Click to expand I didn't say your list was inaccurate, I said it was disingenuous which it is. You include domains like suzerandall.com, yet Suze Randall's site suze.net is still operational. So either the domain just changed names or someone squatting on the suzerandall.com site went under. If it was someone squatting it was almost certainly not anyone who was producing content. That holds true for many sites on your list. Many of the sites you were focused on an individual, and as such have a finite life expectancy. They're going to go away regardless of the state of the industry because the whole focus of the site is no longer in the business. Very rarely you'll see a site like Danni's Hard Drive or Club Sandy that successfully shifts focus away from an individual to produce broader content, but those are the rare exceptions. Then there's all of the sites you included on there that are basically illegal in all but a tiny handful of countries. Many of them couldn't process credit cards for payments (since Visa and MC are such prudes) which left them to survive on revenue generated by people subscribing via 900 numbers and direct withdrawal. Oh and many of those weren't producing original content either. Just reposting the same ol stuff. So while your list may technically be accurate as you've described it, it has little relevance in a discussion about porn production companies. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 1:03PM Suze Randall uses www.suze.net. [Link]
StarGrek Deactivated User Under the moonlight. 1763 Posts 10/11	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 3:31PM BlackSix wrote: pat362 wrote: Private: They still release the odd new video but again a mere shadow of a great studio. Click to expand Wondered about this, haven't kept up much with modern Europorn. Marc Dorcel, LP and Woodman are the only ones that seem to be producing. Woodman is down to a one man band model too. Any other major producers left in Europe? Jacco? Huster looks like they may have bought VCA's catalogue but they have no idea what to do with it. Too bad as there many classic era gems in their catalogue. Click to expand Well certainly Private is not like they were 20 years ago but due to the altered conditions, I can no way say that they are doing very bad. 2 decades ago they conditions were different, they were shooting mostly DVDs and spent a lot of money producing them, weather was exotic locations, fancy clothing or sophisticated media technology. Now, because of the internet and streaming booming, the adult industry is more scene-centric, but this doesn't mean they stop producing. They still produce new stuff with steady rhythm. The French. Marc Dorcel had to adjust too but their quality standards, producing rate and philosophy didn't change at all. Colmax and JTC still produce but not like before. They are under the wings of Dorcel. A lot of semi-amateur initiation companies however have emerged. The British adult cinema suffered a lot of loses. Harmony is still producing but they certainly dont do it with the same rhythm as before. The same with BlueBird and other companies like Relish. Now they are trying to be kept alive through Digital Playground and Brazzers (directional). The Italians nearly vanished. ATV sub-function. The same with Salieri. Pinko tried to do a dynamic comeback but I think they didnt insist much. The Germans. Goldlight bye bye. Mick Blue tried to give Magma a small boost but generally they dont make a lot of stuff. GGG/Thompson however still produce smut with girls from all around Europe. Meanwhile... Explore Sexuality! [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:27PM murdock wrote: LPee23 wrote: I stand by what I said. I never said they were all pee sites, I said they catered to the niche, which is true. Also, sites that feature pee content are a small slice of sites overall. I can tell you they account for less than 5% of sites and probably 1-2%. Click to expand I didn't say your list was inaccurate, I said it was disingenuous which it is. You include domains like suzerandall.com, yet Suze Randall's site suze.net is still operational. So either the domain just changed names or someone squatting on the suzerandall.com site went under. If it was someone squatting it was almost certainly not anyone who was producing content. That holds true for many sites on your list. Many of the sites you were focused on an individual, and as such have a finite life expectancy. They're going to go away regardless of the state of the industry because the whole focus of the site is no longer in the business. Very rarely you'll see a site like Danni's Hard Drive or Club Sandy that successfully shifts focus away from an individual to produce broader content, but those are the rare exceptions. Then there's all of the sites you included on there that are basically illegal in all but a tiny handful of countries. Many of them couldn't process credit cards for payments (since Visa and MC are such prudes) which left them to survive on revenue generated by people subscribing via 900 numbers and direct withdrawal. Oh and many of those weren't producing original content either. Just reposting the same ol stuff. So while your list may technically be accurate as you've described it, it has little relevance in a discussion about porn production companies. Click to expand I wouldn't call it disingenuous. This thread is called "The Graveyard of Porn Production Companies," and these are all sites of companies that have closed. The reason why they closed doesn't matter. Sure, single model sites often close, but they are still relevant. There are also many single model sites that stay around indefinitely long after the model retires. You might have to take the higher closure rate of single model sites into account if you were pointing to these closures as evidence of a downturn in the business cycle, but I am not doing that. I am saying that it sucks that they closed, regardless of the reason for them closing. I tried to edit out the ones in that directory which were still around but with missing content like suzerandall.net, but I did overlook that one, you are correct there. Also, these sites were all legal in the US while they were around. There is a difference between losing credit card processing and being convicted of obscenity. Maybe a few of them like swallow-my.com, dirtytima.com, slye-blu.com and veronica-moser.com also featured #2 and would maybe have fallen foul of an obscenity prosecution, but none of those sites were brought to trial in the US. I only collect the pee content anyways. [Link]

murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:36PM ^ Sigh.... A significant portion of those were not producing content. That said if we were talking about trends in human lifespan would it not make sense to eliminate factors that skew the numbers like infant mortality rate? Why would I not do the same here and eliminate sites that were not going to last very long regardless of outside factors? And the bestiality sites you've listed there (several) weren't legal in the US regardless of whether or not they were actually prosecuted or not. Plenty of other sites on their (scat related) weren't either. [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:45PM murdock wrote: ^ Sigh.... A significant portion of those were not producing content. That said if we were talking about trends in human lifespan would it not make sense to eliminate factors that skew the numbers like infant mortality rate? Why would I not do the same here and eliminate sites that were not going to last very long regardless of outside factors? And the bestiality sites you've listed there (several) weren't legal in the US regardless of whether or not they were actually prosecuted or not. Plenty of other sites on their (scat related) weren't either. Click to expand Wasn't aware that any of the sites I listed delved into that territory, so which sites were those? If they did, I only came across their pee content. If you are thinking SickPuppy.com, that was not bestiality, only peeing and BDSM. Also, joandabunny.com was not bestiality, it was a Dutch site and it stands for Joan DaBunny. That being said, maybe you know something that I do not, so please do me a favor and PM me the names of any sites that cause you concern and I will remove those sites from my collection. [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:53PM LPee23 wrote: murdock wrote: ^ Sigh.... A significant portion of those were not producing content. That said if we were talking about trends in human lifespan would it not make sense to eliminate factors that skew the numbers like infant mortality rate? Why would I not do the same here and eliminate sites that were not going to last very long regardless of outside factors? And the bestiality sites you've listed there (several) weren't legal in the US regardless of whether or not they were actually prosecuted or not. Plenty of other sites on their (scat related) weren't either. Click to expand Wasn't aware that any of the sites I listed delved into that territory, so which sites were those? If they did, I only came across their pee content. If you are thinking SickPuppy.com, that was not bestiality, only peeing and BDSM. Also, joandabunny.com was not bestiality, it was a Dutch site and it stands for Joan DaBunny. That being said, maybe you know something that I do not, so please do me a favor and PM me the names of any sites that cause you concern and I will remove those sites from my collection. Click to expand To be clear, I only have pee content from these sites, but would not even be comfortable holding onto that if I knew any of them delved into that territory. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:53PM Is it really that "too many companies have closed" ,or is it just that everyone with a camera and 5000 bucks started a website and the market was so over saturated that a lot of these cheap crappy sites were taken out by market correction. I think one of the problems is the market got flooded with so much product; that it drove piracy to new levels because nobody could afford to keep up as a consumer, when one of porn's driving forces is to see every volume of a series or every scene from your favorite performer. (alternate theory, please don't bring out the pitchforks). What I am saying is, piracy is a killer, yes.. However, perhaps a lot of it was market correction, and piracy was fueled in part by too much product and not enough dollars from the porn consumer to keep up with watching it. I had my anabolic/diabilic kick back in the late 90s and early 2000s and tried to get every volume of a series. As they kept creating new series and kept increasing the frequency of each series having a release it was like "shit, I can't spent a grand a month on porn dvds""... maybe people faced with that situation started to pirate them instead of missing them. Maybe part of the problem with the loss of so many companies is there were just too many out there pumping out too much product. One of the posts had a list of a bunch of defunct sites and most of them were likely cheap quality pumping put stuff from people just trying to make a buck because porn was hot. Maybe another problem was too many companies resistant to membership based models and unlimited scene downloads in a month; and kept with demanding people pay 20 bucks for an entire release. Maybe a lot of them held onto that for too long. Or was it management issues.. did Anabolic Diablic die because of the market or because they mis managed their business model and lost a lot of their great male talent and directors? Just some alternate concepts for thought. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 6/1/2016 8:03:43 PM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:00PM ^^ Several of the sites on your list had a primary focus of bestiality. If you weren't aware of it then the original site had almost certainly closed and was run by a domain squatter by the time you encountered them, which further illustrates why just going by domains is a terrible way to identify porn production companies. The whole list is bogus. In the event you somehow just missed all of the bestiality content while the original sites were up, all the more reason to suggest your original post was disingenuous since it appears you were trying to imply that your particular fetish was more significantly impacted, when in reality the closure of those sites likely had nothing to do with any pee content they may have had. Yeah, a ton of domains aren't active anymore. I don't see how the inclusion of pee content has any relevance. Edited by - murdock on 6/1/2016 8:00:52 PM [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:10PM murdock wrote: ^^ Several of the sites on your list had a primary focus of bestiality. If you weren't aware of it then the original site had almost certainly closed and was run by a domain squatter by the time you encountered them, which further illustrates why just going by domains is a terrible way to identify porn production companies. The whole list is bogus. In the event you somehow just missed all of the bestiality content while the original sites were up, all the more reason to suggest your original post was disingenuous since it appears you were trying to imply that your particular fetish was more significantly impacted, when in reality the closure of those sites likely had nothing to do with any pee content they may have had. Yeah, a ton of domains aren't active anymore. I don't see how the inclusion of pee content has any relevance. Edited by - murdock on 6/1/2016 8:00:52 PM Click to expand I didn't have any grand agenda in making that post, I was just trying to make a contribution to this thread. [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:11PM ^^^ Cindy I'd say there is some merit to all of your theories. When you're talking about an industry as big as porn there is never going to be one single answer to any question. To add to what you've said, (and I think you hinted at it with market correction) I think as people started looking to the internet for porn and it became easier for people to find all of their respective fetishes, people started to look exclusively for that kind of porn (whatever that may be) and at the same time performers realized they could bypass a lot of the legacy industry and move to a direct-to-consumer model where performers were making more money, but production companies of course suffered. Just look at the thread titles in The Porn Pool and it's pretty clear that more and more people are moving away from "man and woman fucking" porn and are increasingly looking to satisfy some very particular fetish. If it happens to be a very popular fetish (IR, anal, etc) then that is something that large production companies can cater too, but as more and more people are moving away from that and the market becomes more segmented, it's harder for production companies to make products that will appeal to a large audience the way they could just a decade ago. We literally have posters on here who are gay, complaining that straight porn doesn't cater to them enough. That's the industry now in a nutshell. ^ Thanks for the clarification. Apologies if I came off too harsh. Edited by - murdock on 6/1/2016 8:14:13 PM [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:20PM murdock wrote: ^ Thanks for the clarification. Apologies if I came off too harsh. Edited by - murdock on 6/1/2016 8:14:13 PM Click to expand You don't owe me any favors, but it is really bothering me that some of those sites carry that reputation. If you have a minute, could you PM me which ones, because I don't even want to have vanilla porn from a company like that. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 9:53PM The industry definitely overproduced during the gonzo period and it became a race to the bottom but I don't think that had anything to do with piracy in the internet era. People try to rationalize piracy for all sorts of reasons but the truth is that people do it because they can do it without any real consequences. [Link]
2ferme Senior Member 1333 Posts 11/09	Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 9:54AM Interesting thread. I just would like to see more Classic era stuff. Anybody remember Essex? TCM had some oddball C Film that they considered good that takes place in Boston I think made in 1970 which starts off in slow motion with something like a witch burning trial? I looked up the Studio and everything they made is Adult besides this odd film. Can't remember the name, and did not watch much of it. This is the stuff I would like to see. I have been watching more Dorcel lately. A lot of how he makes his films is what I like. Although there are a few things I find annoying. To many non-facial cum shots is one thing. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 10:07AM Despite their content , listing sites isn't a good measure , many of those are owned by the same producer or were focused on one performer who is now retired or out of contract with that company, or maybe changed their stage name. I believe this thread is meant to discuss the economics of porn production , a retired star can't be compared to the lack of paying customers [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 5:12PM LCF wrote: Despite their content , listing sites isn't a good measure , many of those are owned by the same producer or were focused on one performer who is now retired or out of contract with that company, or maybe changed their stage name. I believe this thread is meant to discuss the economics of porn production , a retired star can't be compared to the lack of paying customers Click to expand Point taken guys. Maybe a raw dump of domains isn't the most useful thing. Also, no hard feelings murdock, I tip my hat to you for your knowledge of porn. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 5:17PM 2ferme wrote: Interesting thread. I just would like to see more Classic era stuff. Anybody remember Essex? Click to expand I think Vingear Syndrome has the rights to the Essex catalogue as they've got several of their films up on Exploitation.tv for viewing. They were a great company, their memorable logo is usually a good indication of a quality feature. The TCM film sounds familiar, believe I may have watched it sleepily one night but the name escapes me. [Link]
Float_my_boat All-Star Member 1311 Posts 6/09	Posted - Jun 3 2016 : 5:49AM If you'll indulge me, I believe these two studios died off around 8-10 years ago; Greedy and Bouncy. I believe Greedy is somehow affiliated with Digital Sin. Any way, I liked two series Greedy produced; I Film Myself and Fuck For Dollars. The premise of the first was giving the porn gal a camera to film themselves masturbating and the second was finding gals (really porn performers) out and about and inducing them to have sex for money. In one of the I Film Myself editions, Scarlett Fay gave a POV lap dance. Pretty hot. In one of the Fuck For Dollar editions they had Jean Jacobs; gorgeous girl with a short career. Jean mentions she's a stripper and says she picks out the young guy with a "pimply complexion" kisses them on the cheek. Jordan Ash mutters something like, "are they giving psychology classes in these places?" The two main non-sex characters were Jew Hefner and Dr. Leon Loveless (nod to the Wild, Wild West series?). Bouncy was run by Ty Endicott which had role playing. The lady was a dancer, student, maid, realtor, etc. There was one of Veronique Vega playing a student going to Japan. Another had Kylie Reese as a realtor. The woman would end up having sex with Endicott doing sort of a POV, but often there was smoking, foreplay, etc. There was one of Natasha Nice as a maid. I saw the trailer and Natasha speaking French and as a French maid was hot. Never managed to score of copy of that one, unfortunately. All these would be considered "vanilla," but I liked the fun and humor in them. [Link]
aclayfan All-Star Member 5060 Posts 8/11	Posted - Jun 4 2016 : 12:45AM I enjoyed the films put out by Moonlight Entertainment. One of Roxanne Blaze's first appearances was for them. The company was alive around 1990. M. Stone, the only director I remember, had an interesting style. His scenes were long and quiet. [Link]
Kink Williams All-Star Member Yeah Jeets! 809 Posts 8/13	Posted - Jun 4 2016 : 11:58AM BlueBird was the one I was thinking of. Their head honcho peddled off the company a couple of years back for a nice chunk of change. Silverstone may be one of the next to go. Kinda liked their Pickup Lines series Hollywood Video was around in the 80's and 90's (purchased by Filmco?) Edited by - kink williams on 10/21/2016 12:27:31 PM [Link]

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BlackSix

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 1:24PM

With production being way down and many companies slipping into oblivion I thought it mighy be helpful to have a thread noting those self-same companies.
Some may be shells of their former selves, no longer releasing original content just comps of all scenes. I would consider these 'zombie' production companies who are for all pratical purposes dead.
JM Productions - Hasn't released an original video in years, just comp after comp.
Red Light/Diabolic - Once huge, not a fan of most of their material but they produced so much there are bound to be exceptions. How did they fall apart so quickly?
Vivid - Not a hundred percent on this one but when did they last release something? Their site is all about their strip clubs, radio and old celeb videos.
Elegant Angel - Once my favourite, they were reduced to comps and their best talent left to form HardX and ArchAngel. Now bought out by another company and restarting production, they may do good work but no one from the original company remains.
Sin City - Remember them?
Black Ice - Never the best but they featured many of my favourite black and latino performers. A niche no longer served very well imo.
Caballero - I'm listing them mainly because they have some classic-era features and most of Andrew Blake's best work in their catalogue.
VCA - In the 80s and even into the 90s VCA was huge. Lots of classic from the golden age and more modern porn in their catalogue.
Justin Slayer Productions/International - Made a go of it for a while after losing his Evil Angel deal but haven't seen anything in years.
Extreme - The saga of this once successful company is pretty well known I think. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Rob Black.
Seymour Butts - Seems almost forgotten now but once was dominant. That terrible reality show was around the time when he started to decline in relevance. Seems to have released a few titles last year strangely enough, did anyone see them?
Am I correct on all these? Remember recyled comps don't count. Others to add?

Edited by - BlackSix on May 30 2016

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AKperv

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 1:45PM

Add Anabolic.

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2bollocks
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 2:14PM

I'm wondering if they're making any profit with all of those compilation dvd's.

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 2:14PM

I was wondering about Vivid. What happened? They seemed to be making a turn toward reality porn (swingers, sex tapes) and parodies, which was a smart business move. And then....nothing. Axel Braun left, and the parodies dried up. Are those swinger and groupie movies current?

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LCF

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 4:09PM

Also
Platinum X
Woodburn
And WCP is just the ghost of what it was once
and I'm unable to find anything from the Candy Shop and Juicy
Elegant Angles too
TT Boy productions
Pink Visual
man is it really THAT bad?

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2bollocks
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 4:19PM

^I think it's much worse. Even a lot of website-based companies have suffered the same fate.

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Jackie Treehorn
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:13PM

I think the problem with Vivid was a severe miscalculation in their business model. When the market for physical media began to shrink, instead of adapting with a strong online service they tried fixing the problem with band aids, like making major changes to the type of content they were producing and selling. Reading some of the articles about Vivid from the late 2000's they seemed to be focused heavily on "celebrity" sex tapes. Relying on sex tapes always seemed like a weak plan, as it's something where you can have no real control over the release of fresh material. I can't recall any celebrity sex tapes from the last year or two that people got excited over. The last one the seemed to get any buzz was that MTV teen mom. In hindsight the problem may not have been with the type content Vivid had built their empire on but the outdated manner in which they were selling it.

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pat362
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:16PM

Devils Films: They still add the odd movie but they are a mere shadow of a once great studio.
Private: They still release the odd new video but again a mere shadow of a great studio.
Extreme Associates: I know why they are gone but they once had a slew of release each year.
Hustler: Not sure about this one but I don't hear a lot of new stuff coming from them(if any).
Here are a few more: Harmony, Combat Zone and Adam & Eve.

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jeffandersonn
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:44PM

diabolic

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 6:54PM

Jesus. Maybe we should start a list of studios that started over five years ago and are still actively and regularly producing content.

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jeffandersonn
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:11PM

add Mike John/Tim von Swine Production

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StevenWelch
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 7:45PM

a most interesting thread yet s of course tragic.

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RicoEvilAngel
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Posted - May 30 2016 : 9:29PM

How did justin slayer lose his Evil Angel deal?

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BlackSix

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:36PM

All good calls. Evasive Angles use to produce loads of content.

Edited by - BlackSix on 6/1/2016 6:50:59 AM

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BlackSix

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:37PM

Never made super clear apparently there was a dispute between Slayer and Stagliano about the visual quality of Slayers' later releases.

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BlackSix

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Posted - May 30 2016 : 11:45PM

Wondered about this, haven't kept up much with modern Europorn. Marc Dorcel, LP and Woodman are the only ones that seem to be producing. Woodman is down to a one man band model too.
Any other major producers left in Europe? Jacco?
Huster looks like they may have bought VCA's catalogue but they have no idea what to do with it. Too bad as there many classic era gems in their catalogue.

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RicoEvilAngel
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 7:32AM

Damn, I always thought he left on good terms to do his own thing.
Mami Culo Grande, Phatty Girls & Big Booty Revenge are classics!

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cormac
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 8:24AM

Harmony still release films, not as many as they used to. Other European studios still going:
21sextury
Explicit Empire
Nathan Blake
Mature nl
GGG (yeuch)
Eromaxx
The worst genre for repeat material is transsexuals. Leave aside Evil Angel (and even Jay Sin has gone) and Trans 500, and every damn film is a compilation.

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RicoEvilAngel
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 9:35AM

Vince Vouyer Unleashed
Robert Hill Releasing co.
Edited by - RicoEvilAngel on 5/31/2016 9:37:33 AM
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Flash

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Posted - May 31 2016 : 9:39AM

VCX

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Jacco

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Posted - May 31 2016 : 1:49PM

I have about 400 porn studios in our system and only between 100-150 of those are active. I can't give the exact number, as we have a lot of classic studios that don't produce new titles but we still sell their old titles.
Jacco

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BlackSix

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Posted - May 31 2016 : 3:03PM

Thanks Jacco.
Flash, is VCX's catalogue now with Video X Pix? Who are now Distripix?
Not sure how that all works. Believe TVX was an illegit splinter from VCX releasing films they didn't really have the rights to. Considering the piss poor quality of their releases I could believe it.

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BlackSix

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Posted - May 31 2016 : 3:06PM

VV use to do some good scenes.
I thought After Hours Cinema were done but checking their site they have two releases scheduled.
Edited by - BlackSix on 5/31/2016 3:23:33 PM

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Flash

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Posted - May 31 2016 : 4:08PM

Distribpix is Video-X-Pix. I believe VCX is themselves. They started back up production with Angel Face, supposed to be one of four then they went dark again.

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LPee23

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Posted - May 31 2016 : 6:34PM

Sadly, you are right. Even just looking at sites that cater to the pee fetish niche, which is a large niche but still a small slice of porn overall, there have been over 300 companies that have closed. I've put in countless hours to document the early days, and been able to either save or recover some or all content from each of these companies. The list is unwieldy, so I apologize for that. Also, sorry for the dates and times, I generated this list with a dir command.
*list temporarily down for edits*
Edited by - LPee23 on 6/1/2016 7:50:59 PM

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joachim
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 6:37PM

I think you mean Evasive Angles.

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murdock
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Posted - May 31 2016 : 10:31PM

While I'm sure many of those sites had some sort of pee fetish content at some point, it looks like only a handful of those were actually devoted to it and the vast majority simply had some content that happened to include peeing. That makes your argument about "just a small slice" rather disingenuous when your evidence is a much broader selection of sites.
And some of those sites are from stars who've been out of the business for years. Is it that big of a surprise that Taylor Rain's site isn't up any longer? (or that whoever was domain-squating since then didn't last?)
also, dir /b will get you the list without the times and dates for future reference.

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dogzcatcher

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 4:59AM

Blue Coyote.
Roy Alexandre produced and directed content advertised as "non-violent", (vanilla).
How refreshing for me (and boring to many) to have non-violent content available.
"Natural Wonders of the World" was a long-running series.
Being a fan of Christina Jolie, (I love her smile) I was able to purchase several dvds direct from the company in California for less than $5.00 each.
Sadly, their web site is shut down (RoyaleBlueMedia.com) and their content is limited to other retailers.

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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 6:53AM

murdock wrote:
LPee23 wrote:
Sadly, you are right. Even just looking at sites that cater to the pee fetish niche, which is a large niche but still a small slice of porn overall, there have been over 300 companies that have closed. I've put in countless hours to document the early days, and been able to either save or recover some or all content from each of these companies. The list is unwieldy, so I apologize for that. Also, sorry for the dates and times, I generated this list with a dir command.
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While I'm sure many of those sites had some sort of pee fetish content at some point, it looks like only a handful of those were actually devoted to it and the vast majority simply had some content that happened to include peeing. That makes your argument about "just a small slice" rather disingenuous when your evidence is a much broader selection of sites.
And some of those sites are from stars who've been out of the business for years. Is it that big of a surprise that Taylor Rain's site isn't up any longer? (or that whoever was domain-squating since then didn't last?)
also, dir /b will get you the list without the times and dates for future reference.
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I stand by what I said. I never said they were all pee sites, I said they catered to the niche, which is true.
Also, sites that feature pee content are a small slice of sites overall. I can tell you they account for less than 5% of sites and probably 1-2%.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 6:55AM

Right, thanks for the correction. As Harri pointed out long ago their name was probably a cynical exploit of the two more famous EA companies. Believe Evasive was partially owned by TT Boy himself.

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LCF

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:31AM

Yes I did , of course , I messed up names

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murdock
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 12:55PM

I didn't say your list was inaccurate, I said it was disingenuous which it is.
You include domains like suzerandall.com, yet Suze Randall's site suze.net is still operational. So either the domain just changed names or someone squatting on the suzerandall.com site went under. If it was someone squatting it was almost certainly not anyone who was producing content. That holds true for many sites on your list.
Many of the sites you were focused on an individual, and as such have a finite life expectancy. They're going to go away regardless of the state of the industry because the whole focus of the site is no longer in the business. Very rarely you'll see a site like Danni's Hard Drive or Club Sandy that successfully shifts focus away from an individual to produce broader content, but those are the rare exceptions.
Then there's all of the sites you included on there that are basically illegal in all but a tiny handful of countries. Many of them couldn't process credit cards for payments (since Visa and MC are such prudes) which left them to survive on revenue generated by people subscribing via 900 numbers and direct withdrawal. Oh and many of those weren't producing original content either. Just reposting the same ol stuff.
So while your list may technically be accurate as you've described it, it has little relevance in a discussion about porn production companies.

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Flash

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 1:03PM

Suze Randall uses www.suze.net.

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StarGrek
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 3:31PM

Well certainly Private is not like they were 20 years ago but due to the altered conditions, I can no way say that they are doing very bad. 2 decades ago they conditions were different, they were shooting mostly DVDs and spent a lot of money producing them, weather was exotic locations, fancy clothing or sophisticated media technology. Now, because of the internet and streaming booming, the adult industry is more scene-centric, but this doesn't mean they stop producing. They still produce new stuff with steady rhythm.
The French. Marc Dorcel had to adjust too but their quality standards, producing rate and philosophy didn't change at all. Colmax and JTC still produce but not like before. They are under the wings of Dorcel. A lot of semi-amateur initiation companies however have emerged.
The British adult cinema suffered a lot of loses. Harmony is still producing but they certainly dont do it with the same rhythm as before. The same with BlueBird and other companies like Relish. Now they are trying to be kept alive through Digital Playground and Brazzers (directional).
The Italians nearly vanished. ATV sub-function. The same with Salieri. Pinko tried to do a dynamic comeback but I think they didnt insist much.
The Germans. Goldlight bye bye. Mick Blue tried to give Magma a small boost but generally they dont make a lot of stuff. GGG/Thompson however still produce smut with girls from all around Europe.

Meanwhile... Explore Sexuality!

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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:27PM

murdock wrote:
LPee23 wrote:
I stand by what I said. I never said they were all pee sites, I said they catered to the niche, which is true.
Also, sites that feature pee content are a small slice of sites overall. I can tell you they account for less than 5% of sites and probably 1-2%.
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I didn't say your list was inaccurate, I said it was disingenuous which it is.
You include domains like suzerandall.com, yet Suze Randall's site suze.net is still operational. So either the domain just changed names or someone squatting on the suzerandall.com site went under. If it was someone squatting it was almost certainly not anyone who was producing content. That holds true for many sites on your list.
Many of the sites you were focused on an individual, and as such have a finite life expectancy. They're going to go away regardless of the state of the industry because the whole focus of the site is no longer in the business. Very rarely you'll see a site like Danni's Hard Drive or Club Sandy that successfully shifts focus away from an individual to produce broader content, but those are the rare exceptions.
Then there's all of the sites you included on there that are basically illegal in all but a tiny handful of countries. Many of them couldn't process credit cards for payments (since Visa and MC are such prudes) which left them to survive on revenue generated by people subscribing via 900 numbers and direct withdrawal. Oh and many of those weren't producing original content either. Just reposting the same ol stuff.
So while your list may technically be accurate as you've described it, it has little relevance in a discussion about porn production companies.
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I wouldn't call it disingenuous. This thread is called "The Graveyard of Porn Production Companies," and these are all sites of companies that have closed. The reason why they closed doesn't matter. Sure, single model sites often close, but they are still relevant. There are also many single model sites that stay around indefinitely long after the model retires. You might have to take the higher closure rate of single model sites into account if you were pointing to these closures as evidence of a downturn in the business cycle, but I am not doing that. I am saying that it sucks that they closed, regardless of the reason for them closing.
I tried to edit out the ones in that directory which were still around but with missing content like suzerandall.net, but I did overlook that one, you are correct there.
Also, these sites were all legal in the US while they were around. There is a difference between losing credit card processing and being convicted of obscenity. Maybe a few of them like swallow-my.com, dirtytima.com, slye-blu.com and veronica-moser.com also featured #2 and would maybe have fallen foul of an obscenity prosecution, but none of those sites were brought to trial in the US. I only collect the pee content anyways.

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murdock
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:36PM

^ Sigh....
A significant portion of those were not producing content.
That said if we were talking about trends in human lifespan would it not make sense to eliminate factors that skew the numbers like infant mortality rate? Why would I not do the same here and eliminate sites that were not going to last very long regardless of outside factors?
And the bestiality sites you've listed there (several) weren't legal in the US regardless of whether or not they were actually prosecuted or not. Plenty of other sites on their (scat related) weren't either.

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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:45PM

Wasn't aware that any of the sites I listed delved into that territory, so which sites were those? If they did, I only came across their pee content. If you are thinking SickPuppy.com, that was not bestiality, only peeing and BDSM. Also, joandabunny.com was not bestiality, it was a Dutch site and it stands for Joan DaBunny.
That being said, maybe you know something that I do not, so please do me a favor and PM me the names of any sites that cause you concern and I will remove those sites from my collection.

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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:53PM

LPee23 wrote:
murdock wrote:
^ Sigh....
A significant portion of those were not producing content.
That said if we were talking about trends in human lifespan would it not make sense to eliminate factors that skew the numbers like infant mortality rate? Why would I not do the same here and eliminate sites that were not going to last very long regardless of outside factors?
And the bestiality sites you've listed there (several) weren't legal in the US regardless of whether or not they were actually prosecuted or not. Plenty of other sites on their (scat related) weren't either.
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Wasn't aware that any of the sites I listed delved into that territory, so which sites were those? If they did, I only came across their pee content. If you are thinking SickPuppy.com, that was not bestiality, only peeing and BDSM. Also, joandabunny.com was not bestiality, it was a Dutch site and it stands for Joan DaBunny.
That being said, maybe you know something that I do not, so please do me a favor and PM me the names of any sites that cause you concern and I will remove those sites from my collection.
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To be clear, I only have pee content from these sites, but would not even be comfortable holding onto that if I knew any of them delved into that territory.

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 7:53PM

Is it really that "too many companies have closed" ,or is it just that everyone with a camera and 5000 bucks started a website and the market was so over saturated that a lot of these cheap crappy sites were taken out by market correction.
I think one of the problems is the market got flooded with so much product; that it drove piracy to new levels because nobody could afford to keep up as a consumer, when one of porn's driving forces is to see every volume of a series or every scene from your favorite performer. (alternate theory, please don't bring out the pitchforks).
What I am saying is, piracy is a killer, yes.. However, perhaps a lot of it was market correction, and piracy was fueled in part by too much product and not enough dollars from the porn consumer to keep up with watching it.
I had my anabolic/diabilic kick back in the late 90s and early 2000s and tried to get every volume of a series. As they kept creating new series and kept increasing the frequency of each series having a release it was like "shit, I can't spent a grand a month on porn dvds""... maybe people faced with that situation started to pirate them instead of missing them.
Maybe part of the problem with the loss of so many companies is there were just too many out there pumping out too much product. One of the posts had a list of a bunch of defunct sites and most of them were likely cheap quality pumping put stuff from people just trying to make a buck because porn was hot.
Maybe another problem was too many companies resistant to membership based models and unlimited scene downloads in a month; and kept with demanding people pay 20 bucks for an entire release. Maybe a lot of them held onto that for too long.
Or was it management issues.. did Anabolic Diablic die because of the market or because they mis managed their business model and lost a lot of their great male talent and directors?
Just some alternate concepts for thought.
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murdock
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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:00PM

^^ Several of the sites on your list had a primary focus of bestiality. If you weren't aware of it then the original site had almost certainly closed and was run by a domain squatter by the time you encountered them, which further illustrates why just going by domains is a terrible way to identify porn production companies. The whole list is bogus.
In the event you somehow just missed all of the bestiality content while the original sites were up, all the more reason to suggest your original post was disingenuous since it appears you were trying to imply that your particular fetish was more significantly impacted, when in reality the closure of those sites likely had nothing to do with any pee content they may have had.
Yeah, a ton of domains aren't active anymore. I don't see how the inclusion of pee content has any relevance.
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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:10PM

murdock wrote:
^^ Several of the sites on your list had a primary focus of bestiality. If you weren't aware of it then the original site had almost certainly closed and was run by a domain squatter by the time you encountered them, which further illustrates why just going by domains is a terrible way to identify porn production companies. The whole list is bogus.
In the event you somehow just missed all of the bestiality content while the original sites were up, all the more reason to suggest your original post was disingenuous since it appears you were trying to imply that your particular fetish was more significantly impacted, when in reality the closure of those sites likely had nothing to do with any pee content they may have had.
Yeah, a ton of domains aren't active anymore. I don't see how the inclusion of pee content has any relevance.
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I didn't have any grand agenda in making that post, I was just trying to make a contribution to this thread.

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:11PM

^^^ Cindy I'd say there is some merit to all of your theories. When you're talking about an industry as big as porn there is never going to be one single answer to any question.
To add to what you've said, (and I think you hinted at it with market correction) I think as people started looking to the internet for porn and it became easier for people to find all of their respective fetishes, people started to look exclusively for that kind of porn (whatever that may be) and at the same time performers realized they could bypass a lot of the legacy industry and move to a direct-to-consumer model where performers were making more money, but production companies of course suffered.
Just look at the thread titles in The Porn Pool and it's pretty clear that more and more people are moving away from "man and woman fucking" porn and are increasingly looking to satisfy some very particular fetish. If it happens to be a very popular fetish (IR, anal, etc) then that is something that large production companies can cater too, but as more and more people are moving away from that and the market becomes more segmented, it's harder for production companies to make products that will appeal to a large audience the way they could just a decade ago.
We literally have posters on here who are gay, complaining that straight porn doesn't cater to them enough. That's the industry now in a nutshell.
^ Thanks for the clarification. Apologies if I came off too harsh.
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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 8:20PM

You don't owe me any favors, but it is really bothering me that some of those sites carry that reputation. If you have a minute, could you PM me which ones, because I don't even want to have vanilla porn from a company like that.

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Posted - Jun 1 2016 : 9:53PM

The industry definitely overproduced during the gonzo period and it became a race to the bottom but I don't think that had anything to do with piracy in the internet era.
People try to rationalize piracy for all sorts of reasons but the truth is that people do it because they can do it without any real consequences.

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Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 9:54AM

Interesting thread.
I just would like to see more Classic era stuff. Anybody remember Essex?
TCM had some oddball C Film that they considered good that takes place in Boston I think made in 1970 which starts off in slow motion with something like a witch burning trial? I looked up the Studio and everything they made is Adult besides this odd film. Can't remember the name, and did not watch much of it.
This is the stuff I would like to see.
I have been watching more Dorcel lately. A lot of how he makes his films is what I like. Although there are a few things I find annoying. To many non-facial cum shots is one thing.

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Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 10:07AM

Despite their content , listing sites isn't a good measure , many of those are owned by the same producer or were focused on one performer who is now retired or out of contract with that company, or maybe changed their stage name.
I believe this thread is meant to discuss the economics of porn production , a retired star can't be compared to the lack of paying customers

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LPee23

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Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 5:12PM

Point taken guys. Maybe a raw dump of domains isn't the most useful thing.
Also, no hard feelings murdock, I tip my hat to you for your knowledge of porn.

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Posted - Jun 2 2016 : 5:17PM

I think Vingear Syndrome has the rights to the Essex catalogue as they've got several of their films up on Exploitation.tv for viewing. They were a great company, their memorable logo is usually a good indication of a quality feature.
The TCM film sounds familiar, believe I may have watched it sleepily one night but the name escapes me.

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Posted - Jun 3 2016 : 5:49AM

If you'll indulge me, I believe these two studios died off around 8-10 years ago; Greedy and Bouncy. I believe Greedy is somehow affiliated with Digital Sin. Any way, I liked two series Greedy produced; I Film Myself and Fuck For Dollars. The premise of the first was giving the porn gal a camera to film themselves masturbating and the second was finding gals (really porn performers) out and about and inducing them to have sex for money. In one of the I Film Myself editions, Scarlett Fay gave a POV lap dance. Pretty hot. In one of the Fuck For Dollar editions they had Jean Jacobs; gorgeous girl with a short career. Jean mentions she's a stripper and says she picks out the young guy with a "pimply complexion" kisses them on the cheek. Jordan Ash mutters something like, "are they giving psychology classes in these places?" The two main non-sex characters were Jew Hefner and Dr. Leon Loveless (nod to the Wild, Wild West series?). Bouncy was run by Ty Endicott which had role playing. The lady was a dancer, student, maid, realtor, etc. There was one of Veronique Vega playing a student going to Japan. Another had Kylie Reese as a realtor. The woman would end up having sex with Endicott doing sort of a POV, but often there was smoking, foreplay, etc. There was one of Natasha Nice as a maid. I saw the trailer and Natasha speaking French and as a French maid was hot. Never managed to score of copy of that one, unfortunately. All these would be considered "vanilla," but I liked the fun and humor in them.

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Posted - Jun 4 2016 : 12:45AM

I enjoyed the films put out by Moonlight Entertainment. One of Roxanne Blaze's first appearances was for them. The company was alive around 1990. M. Stone, the only director I remember, had an interesting style. His scenes were long and quiet.

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Posted - Jun 4 2016 : 11:58AM

BlueBird was the one I was thinking of. Their head honcho peddled off the company a couple of years back for a nice chunk of change.
Silverstone may be one of the next to go. Kinda liked their Pickup Lines series
Hollywood Video was around in the 80's and 90's (purchased by Filmco?)
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