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What do you think it looks like? With DVD sales down, I can't imagine trying to get started up by going that route. Maybe ten tears ago, but not now so much. I've shot a few things myself, and while I'm inspired by the success of guys like Jules Jordan and Seymore Butts, I'm not sure of what my next step should be. I can't see continuing to just sell content to Home Grown Video. I think they are going to be scaling down a bit anyways. Anybody have any suggestions or ideas of what would make for a successful plan of attack?
^I'm not sure my reply is exactly where you're heading, but here goes anyway. I am operating on the assumption/observation there is still a place for the DVD as a technology for storing porn:
not every pornfan has a computer (rare but possible);
not everyone has access to (ultra-fast) broadband to enable efficient downloading from pay-sites; and
those with access may be limited, for whatever reason, as to how much porndata can be downloaded/stored at any one time or over a certain period.
Perhaps a possible model is for DVD retailers to be set up to burn/package DVDs at point of sale. Simply put, and acknowledging there may be practical/technological issues:
the DVD outlet holds licences from the porn producers;
the customer either knows what DVD he/she is going to purchase, or identifies his/her purchase in-store via browsing a digital catalogue;
the retailer burns the DVD and prints the boxcover artwork.
I'm no techno-geek so this may not be possible. On the other hand, since I live in the porn back-country, this model may already be operating - and failing if it is a fact DVD sales are falling. As referred to at the beginning, the above model may not resolve the OP's immediate situation. Furthermore, I look forward to typical ADT robust discussion and the dismissal of the above model by someone who knows better, within a few posts. Just putting it out there...
What makes you think HGV is scaling back? Doesn't the DVD side of the business still supply content for the on-line side of the business. Don't they still need daily updates??
I never said it was the future. Its the now. As for the future, its going to take lots of money. Something that no one has anymore. Until the major studios really start pooling what resources they have left there can be no future. Its going to require cutting edge technology. Not 3-D porn. 3-D is not technology thats fits well. No one liked Blu-Ray for porn what makes anyone think seeing it in 3-D HD is going to change that. The future is interactivity. Not camming either. Thats a played out technology. Someone has to invest the money and come up with some thing no one else has. This is a time when 1 person can step into adult and own the industry with the correct technology.
It seems like Netflix has won the battle with the DVD Stores, and now it seems like they're headed to deliver content by broadband to some kind of set-top box like a Wii. No DVD, no mailing anything back and forth. This 'anonymous' sourcing of content seems well suited to the adult industry. No porn specific hardware, no computer, no visit to the DVD store. It still involves recorded content, but no shiny little disk.
In a day and age when piracy is so rampant I don't think the solution is going to be found in looking at new technology exclusively. Perhaps the best approach is to look at a similar industry that went through these issues not so long ago. Earlier this decade we say the record industry shrink exponentially due to programs like Napster. If you make it easy, anonymous and free to download content, people are going to do it without batting an eye. Luckily for music performers they had concert and touring sales to make up for the shortfall in CD sales. Digital releases on itunes carried lots of promo opps. Porn does not have this outlet per se, but something similar could be achieved. What if a studio like Elegant Angel created a promotional contest around it's new releases? By purchasing the DVD or VOD you are entered into the contest. You can have different levels of prizes. For example imagine if by purchasing their recent Asa Akira film it entered you into a contest where you could potentially win you A. Free web content for a year B. Autographed film posters and other paraphernalia C. Paid trip to the studio to see filming of their next release D. A solo video with Asa made just for you E. Paid "date" with a Asa To continue to put out content on dvd and the web and hope that enough people pony up the cash to legitimately watch them is madness. It won't be getting any better than it is right now and tomorrow will be even worse for sales. It's time for the porn companies to get creative and build in some promotions that get people invested in making a purchase. Just my two cents, would love to hear other people's thoughts on this.
I'm still a large purchaser of DVD for 2 major reasons. A DVD allows you to watch your movie in the comfort of your bedroom or any room that has a DVD player and TV. I know that you can also do that with downloaded content but it either requires transfering the data to a DVD or hooking your computer to your TV. That last one is not necessarily something everyone is capable of doing. The other reasons is not necessarily a problem for everyone but it is for me. I live in an area where my ISP has me limited to 100G of allowed download/upload per month. I can always go above that amount but the surcharge are a killer. Now a 100G might seem like a large amount but consider that a regular DVD is probably 1.5 to 2G and a BlueRay is about 4G. I'm already a member of a couple of porn sites so part of my alloted download capabilities are taken up with downloading their content so that doesn't leave much space for me to download DVD from sites like Itunes and so forth.
I was told as much. "Go ahead and get your submissions in because next month we will be scaling back". I'm quoting directly what the email said. No real specifics as to what or how much "scaling back" is going to happen, but my feeling is they are flooded with submissions, and likely have a back inventory of scenes to be edited and released. If each new volume of "Amateur Anal Attempts" contains five scenes, and they are currently sitting on enough scenes, we'll say 20, for the next four volumes, you don't really need a bunch more submissions, at least not for a few months. Again, that's just my gut feeling, nobody told me anything specific.
LOL, well, HGV will be getting at least another two submissions from me. Just now got home from a back to back "squeeze your money's worth out of that hotel room" shooting session. Porn is fun.
Yes, some of us have slow connections or have blocked out a lot of the advertising features of websites. The amount of advertising on websites these days is highly irritating and really bogs down connections. The streaming model doesn't work for me. Downloading an mpg file is good as it allows me to keep a copy of the scene I have purchased. I still rent DVDs as the ultra-clear, non-jerky picture is second to none. I'm not sure I want to step back 20 years in picture and sound quality and have to view on my computer. This requires a significant upgrade in hardware and software whereas a DVD can be enjoyed on a $30 DVD player and standard TV.
DVD's will still be around for a while but sales are steadily falling. Blu-Ray never worked for adult because adult never really tried to make it work. It does not takes a Master's in Business to know if you put the exact same content on a different disc and charge $10 more for it demand is not going to be high. The future, as I see it, is a purely digital delivery system. The problem is that while the Music and Movie industries had Apple's iTunes to assist in this area the porn world has no such help. Steve Jobs is adamantly against porn so there will never be a time in his tenure where you will find porn on iTunes (anyone remember Tera Patrick's and Sunny Leone's iPhone apps?) While performers do have the edge here. As people have said performers can pool their resources and crank out scenes for a lot less than companies they do not have the infrastructure to make this happen. And while individual websites work on a limited level they will never reach the broad base audience of a movie with several different performers. What really needs to be done (IMHO - and we all know what that is worth) is for the larger companies to get together with the larger web site operators and come up with a centralized iTunes like distribution platform. Main thing here would be it works on cross platforms (i.e. Macs and PC's) as well as on the latest internet enabled TV's. Basic outline would be for a rental / purchase options just like iTunes as well as the HD / Standard options. For those who would still like to own a hard copy making a link to the companies so you can download a disc of just certain scenes or an entire movie is not unheard of. The initial outlay will be huge but in the end I think it would pay for itself. C4S sites are onto the right idea but don't have the reach or pockets for what needs to be done here. To put it in perspective even NetFlix's had trouble money wise trying to expand into the digital delivery market and they were not poor. Bottom line is someone is going to have to pay for it.
I've seen the iTunes model proposed by many, but I think what we're forgetting is iTunes has radio. I think consumers typically hear tunes on the radio and decide to buy a copy on iTunes because it is cheap and they can buy just what they want. They get to know an artist and then may decide to search out more content from that performer. If we follow that model, porn is lacking the radio outlet that markets the music. Country fans listen to country stations and buy country on iTunes. I know this may sound foolish, but MAYBE tubesites could be the model for porn's version of radio. Consider having an industry (AVN?) sponsored tubesite that offers content that can't be downloaded unless the consumer follows the iTunes model. Not sure exactly how that would work, but it could fill the lack of 'radio-porn' that iTunes benefits from.
I'm surprised they don't just make lower offers or elect not to buy certain scenes they don't think are worth distributing. If they have more content than they need, but could just pay less for the content they want and just not buy the content they don't want.
Well, shooting is always interesting, heheheh. There was some anal in the first shoot, and a pop shot that triggered a little gag reflex for the second girl. All in good fun I suppose. I'm thinking I need to get some stuff up on Clips for sale maybe. And learn to edit.
Learn editing. It's super easy for the most part. If you're on a Mac, you can get Final Cut Express for $199 and it does a ton more stuff than iMovie does. It's very intuitive and easy to learn software. That gives you total control over your product then and you don't have to rely on another editor to fuck it up. If you're on Windows, Adobe makes some editing software but I'm not toooo familiar with it. It's supposed to be pretty easy to learn too though, but I haven't had any firsthand experience with it. Good luck man!
Do you have any experience with Final Cut Studio 3? Any recommendations for Express vs Studio 3. I have some footage on miniDV I want to edit on a white MacBook 2.2 w/4gig of memory. Express, Studio 2 and 3 are available on CL for less than $100.
Express is a lot easier than Studio if you don't know what you're doing. We've got Final Cut Pro at school and it's got more options available on it than on Express. Studio has even more options, I think. You should be able to run any of them on your Macbook, but Studio might run a little slow I think. I'd beware on buying them on CL. Studio runs at about $999, so if you're getting a copy for $100 on there, it's almost definitely bootleg. Express is $199 new, so that might be a used copy. I'd be wary of buying a copy of Studio for $100 though. Express is definitely the easiest version of it, but it's a little limiting if you want to do more advanced stuff. Studio would be better for that, but it's much more expensive.
In an old thread I posted called "in defense of tube sites" or something like that I made the same argument. Guys see clips of movies on tube sites and then go out and rent the dvd for that. I also said tubesites were a crude form of archiving old scenes or lost movies no longer in production or from defunct companies. For the guys pushing iTunes model keep in mind that the music guys hate iTunes because they lost control over pricing to Apple and it drastically cut their profit margins. The video content guys (i.e. TV and movie) saw a similar problem coming at them in the form of Youtube and Netflix streaming. So they decided to create their own sites like Hulu to maintain control over their content. The porn guys were already doing this with their own online sites. And don't get too excited about Netflix streaming. There are several problems. The first being lack of internet bandwidth causing hiccups in your feed. Then there is the lack of content because studios have limited which movies they can stream (see Hulu). Then there is lack of HD video quality. Everybody has big screen TVs now but I don't believe Netflix is streaming full HD. The consumer has won big with digital music because prices have been drastically reduced and you only have to pay for songs you want instead of being forced to buy an entire album or CD to get one or two good songs. I believe TV content is going in the same direction. For example, cable/SAT make you pay for programs you do not want. Everybody would prefer ala-carte and pay for just the channels you want to watch. However, I don't think the movie guys -- adult and non-adult -- have the same problem here. They could benefit from digital by eliminating dvds. They force everyone into pay-per-view model and not give them a copy. That's like selling people a license instead of selling a physical copy. Here the consumer loses and the companies win big time. But I think this is why dvds are still selling and I don't see it going away. Consumers are not stupid. Why pay the same amount and not get anything in return. The pay-per-view model only works if its very cheap. That's why I think streaming movies like Netflix may not be as successful as people think it will be in the long run. People will always prefer to own rather than lease.
Good stuff, but just to be clear, I don't have a need to defend tubesites. I'm just saying there's a problem with the iTunes model because it benefits from radio. I don't buy much on iTunes or CDs, but those I do buy are a direct result of hearing a song on the radio and deciding I want to own it. Porn lacks that initial sales tool, and I only suggested something like a tube site could fill that void. At least tube sites provide a more honest view of the content than a box cover or trailer.I'm not a fan of trying to 'force' anyone to do something. I don't think that's a good longterm business strategy. And, I'm not sure people will always prefer to own rather than lease. I think there's a place for both.
The fact that adult does not have an outlet like radio is an interesting argument against the iTunes type concept Rod. I honestly never really thought about that. As to the fact that the music and movie industries don't like iTunes well that is really their fault. They were just like adult still is IMHO, holding onto the old ways of distribution and release. Then someone came along with an idea they should have come up with and before they know it they are no longer the "big dog" as it were. They could have stuck to their guns and ignored Apple but realized in the end they would have lost even more money. Which is why I would like to see the adult companies get together to make that platform happen. That way they will not be controlled by an outside party.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 28 2010 : 1:16AM
^ 'A lot'? Not at all. The number of people who actually own large DVD or VHS collection is miniscule compared to the rest of the population. Most people can't fathom why one would want to own a film after watching it. For porn, this is even more true.
Interesting comments all-around about Netflix. Netflix appears to be gambling their future on streaming movies. I figure those big Redboxes are eating into their profits as it is, but this seems like an overreaction to competition and/or relatively new technology. Not sure I'd want to be the first and the last.
That's a dangerous assumption for any media-based business IMO. Businesses are generally in it to make lots of money, not to just be seen. It's a lot easier to not want to own something when you never paid for it in the first place.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 28 2010 : 2:07AM
^ My post has nothing to do with that Aplus, just pointing out that the majority of the population never has and never will have an interest in having a large physical collection, porn or otherwise.
Well it does seem clear that the world is changing. Modern folks are much more comfortable with computers and texting, no doubt. Just not convinced any visual media can really keep up with technology that is forever changing.
DVDs offer a lot of advantages that streaming content does not offer. I've been to streaming sites and they demand high-speed resources (which a lot of us do not have) and the cost is enormous. I cannot afford to create a logon and sign up as a member to all these websites. Most times when I reach their site I spent a lot of time fighting with their restrictive technology just so I can keep an mpeg copy on my local drive. I do eventually delete them, but I like to watch the content on my own terms and in my own time, and not be at the mercy of numerous technological pieces lining up. It's WAY easier and the quality is TOP NOTCH by simply renting a DVD and watching it on my $30 DVD player and stretching out on the couch. DVDs allow me to pick the chapter, watch the cumshot recap and much more, all without needing an Internet connection. Just because things are changing doesn't mean the changes are geared towards the consumer. People like downloading stuff from the net because it's free. Paying high fees for streaming download that leaves my offline drive, and wallet empty, doesn't sound like it's geared for MY benefit.
cimfan, I think you're onto something here. Watching a movie streaming on Netflix is different than watching porn. A mainstream movie is generally watched linearly. You start at the beginning and go to the end. Sometimes you pause to answer the phone or gets a bite, but that's about it. Porn is enjoyed very differently.
Agreed. If you are going to stream porn it probably needs to be in clip form. Rarely do I was anything in one sitting anymore and streaming does not really work well with that.
awesome topic! The splintered nature of the porn industry is its greatest weakness in this transformation to digital delivery. The mainstream studios are strong because they worked together to distribute product via Hulu, Netflix, iTunes, etc. The porn studios are all over the place, without a strong brand name website where everyone knows to go to watch/buy porn online. If they joined together, their power would rival Zeus! More mundanely, I think the current top adult DVD websites (eg ADE) would be sites that could turn into the porn Hulu of the future. A "Netflix of porn" would defeat the weak offerings of pirating tubesites with ease. Also the porn industry needs to stop resisting putting their product online in ways that people could steal it. SO WHAT IF THEY STEAL IT!? There, I said it. You think people care about stealing PORN FUCK #172 more than stealing District 9 or A Clockwork Orange? Yet those 2 titles are available for me to watch online RIGHT NOW and yes I could rip them and put them on a torrent site but guess what: FUCK TORRENTS and FUCK ONLINE BOOTLEG VIDEOS OF BLACK SWAN WITH "FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION" BURNT ONTO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN CUZ IT'S A S.A.G. FREEBIE OR WITH SUCKY SOUND/VIDEO BECAUSE IT WAS RECORDED ON AN IPHONE IN A MEGAPLEX IN JAKARTA! Yes, people like free. But people like EASY much more. It is ten times easier to pay $16.99 a month and be watching The Shining within 3 Netflix clix than to try to find a virus-free torrent, then wait 2 hours to 2 WEEKS for it to download on my fucking overpriced Time Warner bullshit internet. I haven't pirated a single movie since Netflix vastly increased its Watch Instantly catalog. In fact, last month I gave up cable tv (fuck you TWC) and now only watch Netflix and Hulu for shows and OTA broadcasts for sports. I'm happier and about $80 a month richer. And I would GLADLY pay Netflix $80 a month if I could watch anything in their [whole] catalog anytime I wanted to. Regarding owning vs watching once: umm...yeah. Take it from a retailer: MANY more people watch a movie once (in the theatre, with a rental or a TV/internet viewing) than people who buy and own a copy. The only major exception is kids movies. Movies are not like songs. Test it this way: how many movies do you own? Now...how many have you SEEN? I would like to see porn follow a Netflix business model that has a combo of DVD and online. The combo of DVD and online is key, imho. The difference in this current transition from physical units to digital delivery (compared to the transitions from one physical unit to a newer one) is that we're transferring from a unit that retails at $3 to $30 to a form in which you need a $500 computer with a $60/month internet connection. This leaves behind a lot of poor people who can afford a $30 DVD player and a $15 DVD every once in a while, but who can't always pay an internet bill. I see this happening more visibly with music: one part of our country is enjoying the digitization of music into mp3 players, while the poorer part is not buying as much music because computers and internet connections are much more expensive than $20 CD players and $5 used CD's at the record store. This technological leap we're experiencing is leaving behind people who could spare $20 for a CD but who can't afford computers and internet at home (poor people) and leaving behind people who love music but don't have credit cards (teenagers). On top of this, the internet cafe which used to bridge this technology gap is also going the way of the dinosaur. Thank goddess for libraries. Rant Done, Sue
I notice no one is mentioning cable PPV (unless I over looked it). I've never bought a porn movie from the cable company even though my cable provider offers it. What's the current state of PPV porn on cable? Is it totally uncut? Do the Gonzo companies have content on cable? On average how much is it per movie? How new/current is the porn offerings on cable? The idea of getting porn through my cable is appealing because I can record it to own and watch it whenever I want and I know the quality will be high.
