If your going to chime in here about how gay this is , take a hike. This is my question , porn used to be fairly segregated - straight , fetish , B&D totally separate(with no actual sex to be shown) , then the little bit of TS next to the gay section . All this has changed over the years due to the ol' internet . Kink.com is now a major site , mixing B&D and sex . Anal , dp's , squirting ect are totally mainstream . Now transsexual porn is also considered mainstream , on hotmovies and aebn its just another catagorie , with major new releases highlighted , now even TS has high quality not just from Evil Angel's Joey Silvera , but Jules Jordan as well , and Nica Noelle has the romantic quality Hard Candy line . So how about bisexual? there has been a rise in the cuckold stuff , use to be justa guy having to watch another guy fuck his wife , now they are venturing into bi , Kick ass has the Black Bi Cuckolding line . So when do we see bi become more mainstream ? Many posters and moderators here are bi , and the shemale thread is fairly long . Older stars did some bi , tranny and gay , Peter North , Marc Wallice , Tom Byron , Ron Jeremy and Joey of course , now we have Christian and Wolf Hudson , who both do straight and TS . It seems there is a market out there for quality bi stuff , when do you think a major studio would take the plunge ?
^ Many porn women are bi-sexual, and you do see a lot of bi-sexual stuff in porn movies, where two women do each other and also a guy. Heterosexual male porn viewers don't mind watching lesbian stuff. But I don't think male heterosexuals will ever enjoy watching one guy doing another guy and also doing a woman. Because being a male heterosexual makes you feel aversion to sex between men. It's not just something that doesn't interest you. You actually feel some disgust and aversion to it, which is a turn off.
I really don't believe that transexual porn is mainstream at all. What you see with internet porn is that it is now much more straightforward to find niche material, such as TS porn. That does not make it mainstream. I'm pretty confident in saying that the vast majority of people would still not want to watch it. My views on bisexual porn are basically the same as Dan's. I have absolutely no problem with gay men enjoying sex with other men, but I have no interest whatsoever in watching this in porn films.
^ Probably he meant straight , many do she-males and do not consider themselves gay not even when they look for those who are very hung and suck them , many don't go with she-males or transexuals but don't consider those who do as gay. I have no problem with them but can't help myself to think at transexuals/transvestite/she-males as males EDIT to add I can watch a bi movie because I'm interested in the woman and if I really like her I pay no mind to the guys , same if she get fucked by a she-male , I cannot stand a strap-on movie female on male though As for the cuckold or bi-cuckold thing in some cases it is almost BDSM it is not really the sex that arouses many but the humiliation , either to see a man humiliated or to think themselves humiliated. I have no problem with this either but the cuckold have to stay out of the way the humiliating thing of him forced to suck the man fucking his wife is a powerful turn-off if it lasts more than a second Edited by - LCF on 3/16/2013 12:13:21 PM
Bisexual porn has been around for years. It point of fact it's actually been around for longer than gay porn. The oldest known porn movie in the world to feature male-on-male sex is a bisexual movie: Le Ménage Moderne Du Madame Butterfly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Menage_Moderne_Du_Madame_Butterfly It also features male-on-female and female-on-female sex. Three Pillows is the longest running bisexual porn membership site on the web which is actually owned and operated by bisexual men. And it's been going strong now since 2001. There was a "golden age" of bisexual porn back in the 1980s. The truth about bisexual porn is that it's a money spinner. There's lots of men and women who like it and buy it. However it's always been a bit of a sleeping giant in the Adult Entertainment business because a lot of pornographers - mainly straight male pornographers - are too stupid to either try, know how or find out how, to market it. And that includes straight male pornographers who market gay porn. I've even had guys ask me stuff like: "Is bisexual porn for straight people or gay people? Who buys it?" - That's how stupid some of them are about this niche. I work in the business BTW :)
I could go for bi porn but it would really depend. I sometimes have a hard time finding straight scenes I like and I strongly prefer women. I'm going to guess it would be a rare bi male scene indeed that would turn me on.
^ I don't think it will fly either however my viewing pleasure these days trends more to G/G then anything else. There is about only one or two percent of TS film that I enjoy. Most TS performers are way too masculine for my taste. If I had my druthers the next great thing (genre) in porn would be better actresses which I would have to guess would entail either more mainstream crossover or girls with acting chops getting into porn in the first place. Take Prinzzess for example: http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=Prinzzess/gender=f/Prinzzess.htm God love her she is an exceptional performer and knows more about a woman's body and how to make love to a woman better then most men and has provided me with countless hours of entertainment for almost the better part of a decade but IMO when ever she has to convey plot structure or exposition she can't act her way out of a paper bag.
Man this topic is Gay lol. No, really I actually agree. I am a bisexual male who loves watching Bi-sexual porn. Bimaxx is may favorite site, but over the years Devils Film, Cum Eating Cuckolds and Doghouse Digital has produced some very good bisexual content. I would love to see this Genre explode. I think alot of what keeps it Taboo is the stigma of M/M. Everyone likes F/F action (even the ladies) but if you like M/M action you are pigeon holed as gay. I also love TS porn. Some of the new stars Evil Angel has trotted out are very hot. Alot more mainstream female porn stars are doing bisexual porn...and I approve.
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This strays from the main topic but I confess, I watch Corbin Fisher's Amateur College Sex, strictly for the women, many of which are smoking hot. I'll even watch their BBG scenes if I like the particular girl and when the guys begin going at it, I pretend its the scary part of a movie and just close my eyes, peeking every now and again to make sure the guys are finished doing their thing before I start watching.
I do not have enough faith in the human race (and men in this case) that I believe bisexual porn will be common or accepted in any way any time soon. Most men just don't want it, nor want to see it advertised, or even discussed. My impression is that TS/shemale porn is very popular and appeals to more men than bisexual porn. But as we've discussed before here, enjoying TS porn doesn't make you gay (and not necessarily bisexual either). My prediction is that any gains for acceptance of bisexual porn with male on male action will be very small in the foreseeable future. Edited by - JohnW on 3/18/2013 7:32:38 PM
For a lot of men, transsexual porn is largely viewed out of curiosity. Perhaps for others, it falls short of "gay" material, and therefore seems less objectionable. Still, TS porn represents a relatively small niche in the marketplace. I think the market for bi-sexual (male) porn is even more limited--one either finds it arousing or not. Heterosexual men are unlikely to find bi-sexual porn very interesting beyond the presence of the woman in a scene.
I'm going to assume that two girls and a guy is not what the original poster is talking about and limit my comments to two guys and a girl. That type of porn has been a round for many many years. Just look at Sharon Kane's career for reference and you'll see that she did plenty of bi movies. I don't have any problmes with thos type of movies but I certainly don't want to watch two guys make out and have sex even if they include a girl in the action. I think the male is an important part of any b/g scene but I don't get turned on by te guy but by his intereaction with the girl.
My biggest issue with tranny porn (assuming you're talking about pre-op) is they focus so much on the fact that "SHE HAS A DICK!" I actually like a certain amount of androgyny. The ambiguous look of a tranny who can pass for a she. I prefer to see them get fucked but many tranny productions seem to center on trannys fucking everybody else. That seems bass ackwards to me. It seems to me the whole point of changing your body to such an extreme degree would be the desire to be a woman. If that's the case, shouldn't they want to be fucked like a woman too? I just don't get it. Why would anyone want to watch a tranny fuck a dude in the ass instead of watching the dude fuck the tranny? Edited by - randomprecision on 3/18/2013 9:43:35 PM
^^^^^ With all due respect you're totally missing the point of what a shemale is randomprecision. She is a chick with a dick. A chick who is happy to have a dick, use it and keep it. She is not an all the way male to female transsexual. She is happy to remain an "in-betweeny" Transgender people are a very diverse group Vaniity Official Website is a good example of the true shemale type. She won't be getting full gender reassignment. She enjoys fucking girls and guys with her dick. And Shemale with Female & Shemale with Shemale are every bit as popular as Shemale with Male btw. Edited by - Geri on 3/19/2013 3:59:17 AM
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You really think Manuell Ferrara is going to let Steve Holmes fuck him in the ass while Manuel fucks a woman? I sure don't.
^^^^^ Possibly not. But you would probably have said the same about Rocco Reed this time last year before he started doing bisexual and gay porn. Edited by - Geri on 3/19/2013 5:08:49 PM
Christian XXX started out doing gay porn (as did Peter North). Christian XXX did gay porn using the name Maxx Diesel. Peter North used the name Matt Ramsey when he did gay. This is by no means as unusual as many people seem to suppose. A lot of the European male porn stars appear in gay, straight and bisexual porn using different stage names for each genre. As for Wolf Hudson, he does gay, straight, shemale, queer, bisexual, you name it, as Wolf Hudson. I thought everyone knew that.
^That may be but that doesn't mean that I or anyone else want to see these guys have sex with each other as well as women. Gay porn does nothing for me so any film that would have a mixture of gay and hetero would probably never make it on my list.
^^^ Obviously you speak for yourself. And obviously you are not alone in not wanting to see male bisexuality in porn, so you can speak for those others who don't. But also obviously you can't speak for everyone else. Porn is a supply and demand business. Bisexual porn got made and continues to get made because there is a demand for it. The funny thing is that female bisexuality is so commonplace in porn that anyone who complained about a previously boy/girl only female performer doing a girl/girl scene would probably be considered a complete weirdo by most porn fans. Far more often than not if there's two or more women in a scene they will be sexual with each other, regardless of whether there is also one or more men in the scene. So looked at from a certain perspective nearly all porn that has women in it is "bisexual porn", or at least potentially "bisexual porn". Edited by - Geri on 3/20/2013 3:32:17 AM
Sorry to start the topic and disappear , life , work-yada yada yada . I think TS porn at least is fairly mainstream at most vod websites , all the big companies have TS lines , kink.com is one of the biggest websites ,and quite a few major woman have worked in TS scenes. What I had been hoping to see is two guys who are more into the girl than each other , too many have two clearly gay guys and a girl not really into it . There has been more quality(and acceptance) in European flicks , though I have seen a few good scenes lately with Kiki D'Aire , Cece Stone , Syren De Mer and others . I think the mistake folks here make is that it's like watching gay porn , what I would like is true bisexual scenes .
I don't know how popular bisexual porn really is and by that I mean two guys and a girl where the girl may or may not have sex with the guys but where both guys have sex with each other. I certainly haven't heard of any major hetero male stars doing those scenes nor have I heard of any well known females stars shooting those either.Is it really a funny thing or is just that hetero men really don't mind watching some girl on girl action along with some boy on girl action because the guy is only having sex with the women. It's pretty much the same thing in a gangbang or dp scene where the girl is the recipient of the male attention because the guys are only fucking the girl. Although it's true that if there's a scene where two women and a guy have sex with each that it can be called a bisexual scene. Isn't it only bisexual from a woman's point of view since the guy in the scene isn't having sex with another man but is in fact having sex with what are essentially bisexual women. The only way for a scene to truly be bisexual then two men and two women must have sex with each other where each person will have sex with someone of their own sex as well as have sex with the other gender.
I figure that at some point, someone will make a couples-oriented feature with bisexual action and it will be a huge hit among women who buy porn. The end result will be that kinky women who watch porn will make prospective partners watch porn with bisexual scenes as some sort of test of worthiness. Maybe if you can't maintain wood as she blows you as the screen shows a guy anally penetrating a woman while being anally penetrated by a man, then no cooch for you.
It's popular enough to survive in today's difficult market. Who do you class as major male stars? Rocco Reed? As I pointed out in this thread on adultdvdtalk Rocco Reed's 1st gay scene is actually a bisexual scene. He has sex with a girl and a guy in it. The other guy just has sex with him. That's not a stereotypical bisexual threesome porn scene because in those both guys have sex with the girl as well as each other. But it's still a bisexual scene, not a gay scene, as far as I'm concerned. Well known females? Are Sharon Mitchell, Tracey Adams and Nina Hartley well known to you? They all did bisexual porn scenes. Sharon Mitchell did a lot of them. Big name "Golden Age" males stars who did them as well include Jamie Gillis and Joey Silvera.Is it really a funny thing or is just that hetero men really don't mind watching some girl on girl action along with some boy on girl action because the guy is only having sex with the women. It's pretty much the same thing in a gangbang or dp scene where the girl is the recipient of the male attention because the guys are only fucking the girl. Although it's true that if there's a scene where two women and a guy have sex with each that it can be called a bisexual scene. Isn't it only bisexual from a woman's point of view since the guy in the scene isn't having sex with another man but is in fact having sex with what are essentially bisexual women. The only way for a scene to truly be bisexual then two men and two women must have sex with each other where each person will have sex with someone of their own sex as well as have sex with the other gender.
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I did say "looked at from a certain perspective" didn't I? The typical straight male perspective on porn (which I understand even though it isn't my perspective at all) is so far removed from the purely logical that it (the "mainstream" AE business) can class lesbian porn made by women for women as "straight porn" E.G. Good Dyke Porn & Good Dyke Porn @ HotMoviesdotcom - Website Content Straight From a purely logical point of view a threesome scene that has 2 girls and a guy in it, where one or both of the girls have sex with him and each other is every bit as much bisexual as a scene with 2 guys and 1 girl, where one or both the guys have sex with the girl as well as with each other. Foursome scenes with 2 girls and 2 guys where everybody has sex with everybody else are quite common in bisexual porn; as are orgy scenes. Other things like girl on guy strap-on scenes can be classed as bisexual interest because the audience for bisexual porn is generally quite into them (and dare I mention? Some straight men think those scenes are "gay"). So from a certain perspective a porn scene can be "bisexual" even if there's only two people in it. Edited by - Geri on 3/21/2013 8:16:45 PM Edited by - Geri on 3/21/2013 8:19:57 PM
It's quite true that female bisexuality is not just accepted in porn , it's essentially demanded . You could name on one hand(maybe two) the known performers who won't do G/G . And lets be honest , if you wife/gf wanted to try a threesome with another women , how many Of us would turn that down ? A further note , beside Wolf and Christian , there are many male performers who have done some gay for pay , like Chris strokes or who are rumored to be into TS's , such as Brian Pumper . If your ok with another guy while having sex with a girl , then a dp , it's just a step to DPP DAP , which is about as gay as you can get , without getting gay .
For the record there are two Wolf Hudsons. One performed during the early to mid 2000's and brought Bobbi Starr in the biz (Bobbi was dating this Wolf at the time and wanted to try porn, she got her first scene for Lew Reubens' Water Bondage through his connection with Kink). The other to my best knowledge has been performing since about 2007-2008. Both did tranny porn where they got fucked up the ass by 12 inch she-cock. The earlier Wolf looked like a normal guy. The current Wolf looks like a stereotypical gay guy. The current Wolf does just about everything while the earlier Wolf mainly was the recipient of tranny cock. Both mainly did scenes for Kink.com, confusing things all the more. I hope this post clears up the obvious confusion.
No, I am not. I am a straight man that likes kinky women. The clip I saw on Kink in 2006 identifying Wolf as Bobbi's boyfriend sure looked like a different person than the Wolf Hudson appearing now. Of course my eyesight is about half of what yours likely is so maybe I am not discerning features too well. I will agree that Wolf of late has attained legendary status at Kink as he will do almost anything short of scat and vomit porn. He has taken a lot of grief (undeservedly) from the likes of Donkey Long and his moderators at PWL for his versatility along with Christian XXX and a couple others. I do see that his look has changed a lot over the years -- enough that possibly I am confused here. Seeing his look change progressively over the years in other photos leads me to believe that you may be right here, Geri. Wolf's look changed a hell of a lot! Edited by - mharris127 on 3/23/2013 12:54:53 AM
There was a time in the 80s (maybe early 90s too) when this was a very popular genre, and it seemed that it would become somewhat integrated into "porn." A friend of mine who worked at a video store said they just couldn't keep the bi movies in stock. Men were coming in to get them for their wives. Something happened along the way though, and it just never quite took off in the same way as other genres/categories. I'm all for it, naturally.
^If what your friend said about the guys who were getting it was for their wives is true then one of the reason why this didn't go very far is that women may enjoy this kind of porn but most hetero guys don't. This is the kind of porn that only the wives want to watch and since the husband doesn't then they are stuck at watching it alone. I would think that in those cases the husband and wife would choose a movie that both can watch together.
^ Evidently they did watch it together and couples do watch it together. I think the absolute horror expressed on the part of some hetero guys is due to an ingrained homophobia that is more difficult to overcome for some but not for others. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 3/23/2013 12:03:11 PM
^^^^^ The thing that happened was the Internet. Most people don't buy their porn from video stores anymore. I can't prove it with statistics but I'm certain far more people, including hetero couples together, are watching bisexual porn now than back in the 80s and 90s. It is one of the best niches to promote as an affiliate webmaster on the Internet - if you understand it. Another thing that happened which may have changed peoples' perception of bisexual porn to some degree is that the AVN Awards got too big to be one event anymore and split into two events - the AVN Awards and the Gay AVN Awards - in 1998. And bisexual porn was moved over to the Gay side for the most part as far as AVN was concerned.
That's one of the reasons that I started this thread . Seemed like so many titles started coming out in the early 90's , with Sharon Kane ,Sharon Mitchell , Heather Hart , Nina Hartley , Porsche Lynn and a lot of "B' girls . Shanna McCullogh and flame , tow of my all time fav's did a few as well. Then after a few years the genre seemed to dry up again .
Gore Gore Girl wrote: There was a time in the 80s (maybe early 90s too) when this was a very popular genre, and it seemed that it would become somewhat integrated into "porn." A friend of mine who worked at a video store said they just couldn't keep the bi movies in stock. Men were coming in to get them for their wives. Something happened along the way though, and it just never quite took off in the same way as other genres/categories. I'm all for it, naturally. [/quote]
Maybe you meant to add something to your post and forgot to do it because nowhere is it evident that the husbands getting bi movies for their wives were also watching them. If my memory serves me correctly(and it doesn't always) then most bi movies of that era were normally two gay guys with one woman in the scene with them and where she would at least blow both guys and might also get fucked by them but the emphasis was usually on the two guys having sex with each other. In my book that is geared more toward the gay market than the hetero one only because it's really about the guys having sex with each other. That doesn't mean that some married hetero guys don't mind watching that but I think they are in the minority vs those that don't care for it. Of course I could be wrong. Maybe in your world a guy saying that he doesn't want to watch two guys have sex with each other is homophobia but in my world it's called a choice based on what sexually stimulates him. It would be a very different thing if we were talking about seeing two guys kiss in public. I have no problme with gay porn but I don't want to watch it. It won't turn me on so why would I watch it?
I love a mystery :) I think maybe you mixed up Wolf Hudson with a guy called Wolf Lotus. Bobbi Starr has done scenes with both of them. All three of them have worked for Kink Com. Wolf Lotus appears to only perform with women though. and it seems the only scene he did with Bobbi Starr wasn't for Kink, it was for Twisted Factory. A FemDom scene. His TF profile says he wants male contact to be the minimum possible but he takes anal penetration by toys -& Bobbi did him with a strap-on in the scene. He did two real couple fucking scenes for Kink but neither are with Bobbi. A while back Bobbi Star did an interesting interview with Shewired com, a lesbian culture site which aims to appeal to straight and bisexual women as well as lesbians - so it's pretty "bi inclusive". In it Bobbi says: " I had a boyfriend in college who did some scenes for Kink. When he told me, it got me interested in porn. I'd never thought of doing porn and back then I was very nerdy and bookish. I was the last person you'd expect to be a porn industry. I was curious about the industry and I did a few scenes myself and when I graduated, I decided to come to Los Angeles to make a go of it." And also: "I realized that I am a person who is more gay than straight and just likes to experiment with men. Porn didn't change me, it made me more of who I was to begin with. I think that's true of everyone else in this business." And: "I’m not known to date in the performer pool, I date girls or guys who are either outside of the business or who aren't on camera. The arrangement I've always had was that I am monogamous except for when I'm on set and there is a camera set to record on me." I think maybe she is teasing the girls a bit there. She may well date women as well as men, but she seems to have more boyfriends in real life than girlfriends. But who knows? Not me. Bobbi Starr's SheWired Interview As far as Wolf Hudson is concerned, Bobbi has definitely done more scenes with him than Wolf Lotus. But I guess either of them might have been her boyfriend in college who originally got her interested in doing porn. Then again it might be some other guy who has also worked for Kink. Anyway Wolf Hudson it seems has a strong association with at least two female pornstars called Starr. Reviewing the launch of his official members website Tristan Taormino states that his business partner is Aiden Starr. And that "The site’s debut scene features Hudson with multi-award-winning performer Bobbi Starr." HERE: http://puckerup.com/tag/wolf-hudson/ Finally.... Here's a pic of Wolf Hudson hanging out with Bobbi Starr and Sophie Dee and some guy called Ssippi" - all of them looking very unpornstarry Apparently it is, or at least was in 2010/11,Ssippi who is Bobbi's real life boyfriend. That's the guy with big beard, glasses and wooly hat.
LOL You don't really think the men in bisexual porn - now or back then - are "gay" as in "homosexual" do you? Honestly the majority of men in gay porn aren't even actually homosexual. So why would they be in bisexual porn? And anyway, how do you know so much about "most bi movies of that era" if you didn't watch them?
No, it just never occurred to me that anyone would assume men were going out, renting porn, delivering it to their wives, and then leaving the house so their wife could masturbate by herself. Had this occurred to me, I would have added that the men articulated a degree of frantic and excited anticipation of the night ahead, as their wives found the movies so hot. As for homophobia, I didn't say not watching gay porn made you homophobic. I said the *horror* expressed and inability to tolerate, which is generally not found amongst hetero-women when faced with lesbian action, is rooted in a homophobia so deeply ingrained that is hard for *some* hetero-men to overcome. But not for others. Hence the heteromen watching bi porn with their wives. Edited to add: it's also an assumption on our part that the married men were heterosexual. They may very well be bi, and it is rather odd/telling that we are pretty much ignoring the fact that bi porn is likely consumed by a number of bi men and women. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 3/24/2013 1:39:53 PM
I am sorry to burst your bubble but any guy that takes another guy's dick in his ass or mouth is homosexual or at least bisexual. Most men have a policy that nothing larger than a glycerin (constipation medicine) or Dilaudid (opioid pain medicine) suppository is to be inserted in their asses. A suppository is about the circumference of a small enema hose and about two inches long (I am sure Geri knew that but we do have members from all over the world and some countries may not use suppositories).
That's ridiculous. Tons of straight guys like girls playing with their assholes. Tongues, fingers, toys, all sorts of things go up there. Don't forget the guys who like to get fucked with a strap-on too. Now, as far as penises, as it has been mentioned there are a lot of straight men in the gay porn industry who are "gay for pay". Peter North was one of them. Rocco Reed is a more recent example. But these two men also worked in the straight side of things and that's why you know their names. But there are plenty of men who make a career working only in gay porn, but who are straight in their personal lives. Remember: gay porn pays A LOT more for men than straight porn does. And a lot of people are willing to do a lot of things they normally wouldn't for a big enough paycheque. If straight men perform in gay porn, why can't straight men perform in bi porn too?
LOL! "sorry to burst your bubble" indeed. Where did I say there are heterosexual men in gay porn? What I said was: "the majority of men in gay porn aren't even actually homosexual" They're not actually homosexual because they also have sex with women. To spell it out for you, what I am really saying is that for a man to be actually homosexual he needs to be a man who only has sex with men. And by that same token, for a man to be actually heterosexual he needs to be a man who only has sex with women. If a man has sex with men and women then he's some kind of bisexual person. And there are a lot of different kinds of bisexual person - and quite a lot of them don't clearly identify themselves as bisexual. Which is why I guess that so many people get so very confused by the whole topic of bisexuality and bisexual behaviour in general. Edited by - Geri on 4/12/2013 8:50:41 AM
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I look at vintage straight movies and they come across as pretty bi, the cameras giving dudes as much facetime as the women, or even more, during sex scenes. Always afraid that the camera was gonna switch to a dude's moustache right at the worst moment. Was it because the movies were being made for all audiences at once? Were the directors gay/bi? All I know is I'm glad they cut that shit out nowadays and only wonder why it took so long for them to figure out that masturbating straight males don't wanna see a screenful of another dude's face or ass or ballsack(let alone tolerate two dudes interacting with each other). I wouldn't assume that the rise in TS porn is any indication of straight males getting queerer or more open about latent homosexuality with bisexual porn following suit, they likely really just see TS performers as chicks with dicks instead of dicks with wigs. If chicks started getting fleshy dick implants then MTF TS performers would be out of a job.80s/early 90s sounds like right before the internet hit. Could be the bi-curious or closeted gay husbands just really wanted to see straight-up gay porn but couldn't because of their wives(with whom they either had to share the porn or were pretending the B/B action was for). With the internet they can now potentially watch all the gay porn they want without her finding out about it, unlike with vhs tapes which were hard to conceal. ____________________________ Please ID these PlayboyTV girls https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/playboytv-foursome-identification-thread/ Edited by - hoochimama on 4/12/2013 2:47:56 PM
Nope. That's already been done in porn. Prosthetic cocks on women, not just strap-ons, and didn't put one TS performer out of a job. Because it creates an obviously fake kind of hermaphrodite porn rather than a "better" kind of shemale porn with prettier shemales - like your hinting at. A real shemale has a real dick and it works, and there ain't nothing like the real thing. You just need to realize that there's a lot of people out there who are actually attracted to transgender people. And also there's all sorts of transgender people working in porn, not just shemales.80s/early 90s sounds like right before the internet hit. Could be the bi-curious or closeted gay husbands just really wanted to see straight-up gay porn but couldn't because of their wives(with whom they either had to share the porn or were pretending the B/B action was for). With the internet they can now potentially watch all the gay porn they want without her finding out about it, unlike with vhs tapes which were hard to conceal.
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Bisexual men are more likely to be in the closet than gay men. And they are more numerous. The "Bs" are the largest population within the LGBT community Bisexual Invisibility: - San Francisco Human Rights Commission It should really be called the BGLT Community. And a few people actually do call it that. Your theory about the man really wanting to watch gay porn could apply more or less in some cases, but it's every bit as likely that the wife really wants to watch gay porn and hubby still needs to see some women in the mix. That said, there's plenty of people who are actually turned on by bisexual porn. Bisexual porn is definitely not a kind of compromise product between straight and gay porn for most of its consumers. Edited by - Geri on 4/12/2013 4:16:31 PM Edited by - Geri on 4/15/2013 6:07:21 PM
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Posted - Apr 12 2013 : 7:23PM
Didn't realize it had already been done, but you said it yourself: it was obviously fake. My point wasn't that if you tack an unconvincing cylindric lump of flesh on a chick TS fans will prefer that over MTF TS, we're talking about the future of porn and my point was that when medical science becomes capable of authentic penis implants -something that looks, acts and is as DIRTY as the real thing- then chicks with dicks will be a reality, and unless TS fans who say they're straight have been lying up till now, I don't see why they wouldn't vastly prefer that over MTFs, real dickgirls may even give regular stuntdicks a run for their money in straight shoots(I can do without seeing a dude's balls and ass in vaginal penetration shots). You said a lot of people are actually attracted to transgender people which in this context implies they want MTFs as opposed to chicks with dicks. Are you saying that's the case for all TS fans? Is it the case for even half of them? I ask because I browse hentai comics and in those I come across a lot of dickgirls(futanari) and they're never really transgendered, they're just chicks with dicks, their dicks usually appearing out of thin air on the spot through magic or something in order for them to fuck the girl at hand(and for me to stop reading), they have no masculine features nor anything to suggest they were ever male. Something not every TS can boast of(at least the ones I see featured on kink.com's front page). Hentai comics are not restricted by medical science or human anatomy, the artists draw whatever works/sells and apparently when it comes to TS they draw females with functional penises tacked on, not men who are switching genders or somewhere in between.It's definitely not a compromise product because it seems to exclude straights and gays alike: General assumptions: Most straight people aren't turned on by smut that has gay action of their own gender in it. Most gay people aren't turned on by smut that has the other gender in it. Bisexuals can enjoy both straight and gay oriented smut. Thus: Straight porn potentially works for straight males, bisexual males, straight females, bisexual females. (gay males, gay females are out) Gay porn potentially works for gay males, bisexual males, straight females, bisexual females (straight males, gay females are out) Lesbian porn potentially works for straight males, bisexual males, bisexual females, gay females(straight females, gay males are out) Bi porn potentially works for bisexual males, bisexual females, straight females(straights males ,gay males, gay females are out) Bi porn seems to be the one that excludes more types of people and includes the least, and depending on which demographics chart you check(sexual orientation charts, porn buyer charts, porn watcher charts) the one with the smallest audience, and keep in mind that anyone who watches bi porn also watches another category of porn, they can't rely on one group of people who won't watch anything else the way gay and lesbian porn can, and it's also the only type that requires at least 3 performers. ____________________________ Please ID these PlayboyTV girls https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/playboytv-foursome-identification-thread/ Edited by - hoochimama on 4/12/2013 7:29:46 PM Edited by - flash on 4/12/2013 8:51:13 PM
It's a widely known "secret" that lesbians watch gay male porn. Just one article on the subject. I think you're oversimplifying sexuality, sexual identity, and pornographic genre. I have always found this Emily Shelton quote incredibly useful in this regard: "genre functions principally in pornography as an elaborate and obsessively detailed alibi for the overdetermined issue of viewer desire. While it purports to direct its viewers toward their fantasies' vicarious fulfillment, porn also allows spectators to move unobstructed in a space where the nature of their erotic investment may remain confidential, anonymous, and private" ("A Star is Porn" p. 123).
Would it bother me to see some bi scenes from the major labels such as Elegant Angel Evil Empire etc,no it would not as i would simply fast forward past them the way i do with some M/F porn scenes until i find what im looking for sexually and that could be watching the girl giving head or getting done doggie. It would be a huge gamble for a Studio to feature bi scenes,look at the grief Jay Sin got for taking time off and doing some TS work and more outrage when Jules Jordan brought out some TS porn and Elegant Angel wont even do a TS line and to think that guys like Manuel and Rocco would be up for doing M/M scenes just because it pays better is insane. I would have no problem watching a bi movie with a girlfriend if that is what turned her on,just because i like lesbian porn does not mean to say that every girl out there loves girl/girl action and she might find the girl/girl lesbian porn as dull as i would watching some m/m action but if it pleased my partner then i would watch it.
Edited by - stinkfist on 4/12/2013 8:27:37 PM
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1437 Posts 5/10
Posted - Apr 13 2013 : 9:15PM
Cool article and entertaining comments. I gotta say the idea of a bunch of lesbians secretly looking at, lusting for and masturbating to the sight of filthy, filthy penises is hot as fuck! Imagining what goes on in their minds, knowing it's a taboo, how it can make them feel conflicted, insecure, maybe even ashamed and yet they can't resist and give in to the wrongness. At the same time if they knew we horrible males know about this "secret" and are turned on by it, how it could add to their inner conflict, delicious stuff. Ahem.... anyway I didn't like the parts where they explained away their preference for gay porn as it being the "real" alternative(because erections=real apparently) to all of lesbian porn's fake acting and made-for-male-ness(you can tell how hard they must've searched for dyke porn). Even I came across dyke porn like crashpadseries just by searching for footage of a girl getting dicked(Syd Blakovich). Nobody has to explain or justify their preferences, but seeing people contradict themselves in their rationalizations often comes across as self-denial. There are self-identifying straight males who watch gay porn too, but nobody's gonna buy the "chicks fake it, boners don't lie" argument from them, or that they're numerous.And possibly offending a few though it is not my intention, but you kinda have to paint broad strokes when trying to discuss things like target audiences. ____________________________ Please ID these PlayboyTV girls https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/playboytv-foursome-identification-thread/ Edited by - hoochimama on 4/13/2013 9:21:41 PM
Deja vous :) Don't just read the article. Read the comments too. Some lesbian identified women love gay male porn. Some. Other lesbians who don't, can, not surprisingly, be as nonplussed and incredulous about this as any one else who isn't a gay porn loving lesbian identified woman. Lots of straight identified women like lesbian porn as well. And not just the stuff made for men either, the lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians too. Jincey Lumpkin Interview pt 2 Whilst I don't subscribe to the theory that all women are bisexual; I do, as far as marketing porn and erotica is concerned, think of women in general as "bisexual" customers. Edited by - Geri on 4/15/2013 7:10:50 PM
