Hi guys, I haven't posted on here for some time but I would like to know if you lot have any idea about the following: In many GGG/666 titles, bowls, spoons, straws, etc, are used. My question is: are they primarily there for the benefit of the actresses (if they find it too difficult to swallow all the sperm at once) or does the director from film to film decide if there should be props or not? In a trailer for "Sperma Bombe" the girl is clearly very uncomfortable and in distress and is coughing out the sperm regularly. Bowls and straws are used frequently and so I was just wondering if they are there to act as a kind of filter if it gets too much for the girl? Cheers.
I haven't the foggiest notion. However, I definitely am turned on by the girl accumulating massive amounts of cum which has got to be a surer thing if she has a bowl to keep it in. I also think it's very hot to watch a girl chug lots of spunk from a glass/bowl/goblet, etc. Plus it makes it easier to perform extended cumplay. Sooooo, more bowls filled w/ cum is what I want to see.
Hmm, somehow i think if you would be around on one of their shoots and see "how much" fun it is for (obviously) a lot of girls to be in "those" films you may have problems to jerk of ever again. Not that i´ve been there but there´s nothing worse than watching someone who doesn´t enjoy what he/she is doing ... and it shows in a lot of their so called films Cube
That's what I've always never understood, cubesnake. From what I can gather, the girls get 100 Euros for each shoot. That sort of money is pathetic really yet there always seems to be a steady stream of applicants. Some seem to move from cum-based films to piss-based films for reasons I can't fathom because apparently they don't get paid any more for doing a pissing film. The only conclusion I can come to is that they have bills to pay and simply can't afford to fill out application forms for regular jobs and so have to get some cash quickly and GGG is one of the ways of doing it. As long as they look half-decent, they will be accepted. One of the girls, Amelie, started doing GGG/JT titles and after a couple of those, moved on to pissing films where (at least to me) she seemed to be able to cope much better. I don't think I would be able to personally be in one the shoots, simply because having all those men around me would put me off instantly. Obviously it doesn't bother some people.
Though I love pissing as part of a sex scene I don't find any of those movies a turn on. I wrote them some emails about it and also requested girl/girl stuff but they don't seem to be interested in customer comments.
I wrote it before. Its no coincident, that GGG is located in Munich, its the most expensive town in Germany. But I doubt, that they pay only 100 Euros. ( what is a "shoot" ? A whole movie ? ) It isnt such a problem to find a job in Munich, that is better paid. There is a big demand for small jobs, like delivering newspapers, selling keepsakes, books, or better paid promotion work, etc. So if you work 6,7,8 hours, you have your 100 Euros. I never understood, why women are doing things they dont want, only for ( very little ) money. If US companies would pay as bad as german porn companies, I doubt, that they would get any models at all. And the GGG/666 inherit all the things, that represent a bad porn movie. Most of these women dont enjoy it, they bear it. Most of the models have my deepest compassion. :-( I think the spoons, spawns etc. are only there, to add a little variation to the dull "suck-fuck-piss-swallow" scenes. Thats all. JTs isnt interested in making it "easier for the models". The opposite seems to be true. I love golden shower games and bukkake, but these GGG/666 movies arent arousing me. They are only making me angry. ( And because I am a born german, I can understand what JT and the models are saying.......)
Hi,and we haven´t even started to mention the "SEXBOX" titles yet. It really makes it hard for me to enjoy a scene with Magdalena if i see her in those films ... even harder if she truly gets of on that stuff Cube Edited by - cubesnake on 11/11/2007 11:55:25 AM
No, of course not. 100 Euro is too low, I estimate betw. 250-350 Euros for a single shooting. I only know for sure, that a company producing terrible scat movies paid 500 Euros ( for women only ) in 2002. And all said, thats the ultimate payment in Germany.
Same here, caroline. I also can't understand why women would do something they don't want to do. My only conclusion is that if they are desperate for some quick cash, they can get it at GGG.
Actually, I have asked Annette Schwarz (probably the most well-known GGG girl) about girls taking drugs in GGG and she said that while there are some who take drugs (like in every porn company, I suppose) many of them are just desperate for some quick money and disappear after one shooting.
Even 500 € is a too low fee for doing what they're doing!!! Betty & Annette seems like they were having a good time, but I watched some chicks having a really bad time. I stop watching their movies some time ago, but I think is still the same. As for the bowl... I think is a way to check visually the amount of cum / piss / drool they're gonna gulp. UCK!
I agree, PaellaMan. But I guess if that's all JT is willing to pay them, then they don't have much of a choice (other than simply saying 'no' and looking for a job elsewhere) It's normally quite easy to tell which girls like it and which ones don't. Those girls that you tend to see in multiple films i.e. Betty, Annette, Magdalena, etc, do like it. Those who only do one or a handful of films either just bear it or hate it but try their hardest not to make it look so obvious.
I really, really doubt, that JT pays 500 Euro. Why should he ? Ive watched the covers of GGG for some years, and rented around 2 dozens, but dont do this anymore. Annette is either having fun and/or a professional. And a few others are too. I think an actress called "Janine" was really into it, and there are women who enjoy golden shower games ( me too ). But not in this terrible scenery...... Many really dont like it, and the sad thing is, that many men like, that the women dont like it. The titles of the GGG movies say it all ( and if you dont understand german, I can only congratulate you ) The problem is, the few women who enjoy porn acting and golden shower games, if they dont want to travel outside of Germany, there arent many companies producing these type of porn. Only 3 or 4. Not one of these companies is producing erotic porn, but only this sublevel stuff. Apart from that, the majority of the GGG women arent attractive. As a producer, I had only hired 10%.
Caroline, I've always been curious at the sort of questions that JT asks the girls. Is it just the standard "Is that enough sperm?" "Aha......" etc or...? But I agree with you about the 500 Euros. I doubt he pays that much. In every film, an advert comes up saying something about 100 Euros, guarantees, etc. Unless that is the price the men have to pay to participate? While I agree with you that many aren't attractive, there are very attractive ones, too. Either that, or the make-up artists do a fine job.
90% of the GGG Girls arent my type. Many look very similiar, "JT" prefers a type of a woman that I reject totally. JT talks are always the same " Take this ! Open your mouth ! So many sperm - only for you. If you dont like it, please pretend, that you like it. Think on the money you get, when this is over. Take this, you bitch. And the only thing you ever wanted to do was fucking and sucking. etc." I think, only idiots with an IQ lower as Alfred E. Neumanns can really listen to this. ( The ad with "1OO Euros" is paid for customers, who help JT in catching bootleggers. This was a problem in the late 90s, when they were still released on VHS. But now even the "Pirates" are bored of GGGs Fabrik Pornos. )
Hi,The 100 € "Add" is the amount of money someone gets if he/she can tell them where somebody found illegal copies of their films. Cube P.S: caroline-NL already described it ... i leave it up to the MOD to delete this post Edited by - cubesnake on 11/17/2007 5:31:52 AM
Does he really say that, Caroline? "Please pretend, think of the money you'll get after this" etc or is it something you believe he thinks when filming?
[No he doesn't . In over a hundred GGG/JT/666 movies I've seen (I own about 30) I NEVER heard him say ANYTHING like: "If you dont like it, please pretend, that you like it. Think on the money you get, when this is over. Take this, you bitch." He NEVER calls the girls 'bitch' or any other word of abuse (quite unlike many US directors I might add) at least in the movies. Even if the titles do regularly contain words like 'Sau' (lit. 'sow', roughly equivalent to 'bitch') or 'Schlampe' ('slut'), they are never called that in front of the camera. I've never been present at a GGG shoot so I guess it's possible he says that behind the scenes, but to suggest that this is the what is said in the movie interviews or during the sex scenes is really unfair. Even a lot of titles aren't particularly abusive BTW. A sample from the first page of Bukkakeshop.com: Cissie's Sperma-show Am Sperma-Limit (To the cum limit) Goldie entdeckt die Manner (Goldie discovers men) Schlucken macht Glucklich (Swallowing makes happy) Sperma Feuerwerk (Cum fireworks) Die Sperma-Sammlerin (The Cum Collector) Gefickt, geblasen, geschluckt (Fucked, sucked, swallowed) Ich liebe Sperma! (I love cum!) Darf ich schlucken? (Can I swallow?) Spass am pissen (Pissing fun) How abusive it that? About the attractiveness of the women: they'ré not all my type either, of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder but on average they are not worse looking than in other porn. A while ago a similar comment was made about GGG girls being unattractive. Then Annette Schwarz came to the US and look how unattractive they all find her. Take a look at Vanesa (Gina in GGG-speak), the covergirl of (covergirl of Kannst du mich bitte vollspritzen ('Can you please cover me with cum?), or Magdalena of Sperma-Feuerwerk (both on the frontpage of Bukkakeshop.com) and ask yourself if you can seriously state that they would be, to the average person, less attractive looking than the average American porn girl. If you don't like GGG/JT/666, fine. But please be fair in your criticism. Edited by - eduardo911 on 11/18/2007 5:32:24 PM
That was always the impression I got, too, eduardo. To my knowledge, JT has never spoken in an abusive manner towards the girls. Now, I'm not saying that he doesn't maybe THINK these things but he's never actually come out and said them (unlike many American directors, for example)
For those who are interested what JT really says in one of his movies, I posted an integral translation of an interview with Bea (aka Schnuckel Bea, Beatrice), who co-stars in a 666 movie with Annette Schwarz (who is on the cover). Interview with Bea in Vollgepisst!
@ to all JT enthusiasts.... please look at the 666 movies 2005/06. I dont remember the titles, but to a young blonde woman (18?), who is unpleasantly surprised of the bitter taste of urine, she spits everything out, he says: "If you dont like it, please pretend, that you like it. Think about the money " After this scene, she isnt seen in the movie, nor in another of his movies. Ive also heard this remark in another 666 movie. His so-called "interviews" are women degrading. The whole atmosphere is women degrading. If this would have been the first porn movies I had seen, I would never had collected porn movies, sorry......
I haven't seen every single GGG, JT or 666 movie ever released (I've been watching them since 1999, and they are releasing an average of 4 titles a month, you do the math. I do not necessarily like all of them, for a variety of reasons. However, a number titles are quite good in my opinion, they are certainly unique in European porn and they were operating in this niche well before blowbang and bukkake-style movies became commonplace in the US. (Obviously Japan was ahead of all of them in the bukkake-genre, which was basically invented there). Anyway GGG fills a niche in European porn that had not been previously occupied. I have since become more selective, as I cannot spare the time or the money to watch all of them and they're not all equally good, nor should be expect them to be. Still, there are a number that I like a lot, I own quite a few and I've seen over 100 at least. In none of those movies did JT use any abusive language towards the girls or conduct any interviews that I would consider degrading. Your opinion may differ, and some people would consider almost anything sex-related to be degrading - but we're talking porn here; how is asking a porn actress questions such as whether she likes sex, whether she enjoys swallowing cum, or whether she can handle any more cumshots, etc. be degrading? Caroline, you claim JT said the kind of stuff you mentioned above, and I'm not going to say you're not telling the truth because I can't be sure as I haven't seen every single movie. But it would seem out of character if he did - and not exactly good for business, either - who would want to hear that the girls are faking it? (on second thought, some people probably would - but I'm talking about the majority). I've backed up my statements with some actual data. Why don't you do the same, or at least identify he exact movie(s)? Edited by - eduardo911 on 11/30/2007 7:59:57 PM
Eduardo911, my friend. It sounds, as if we are talking about the difference between male and female feelings. ;-) In my opinion, every JT "movie" degrades women. The language is primitive, there is no story, its erotic as an old car tire. Its the way, how he asks the women. You cant only translate it, but you have to hear the voice of the models. Its like they read it from a teleprompter. Most of porn talk is fake, nowadays. In US porn too, you have these faked interviews, but sometimes you can catch the true opinion of the model. I bet, that 90% of the models ONLY do it for the money and the missing 10% enjoy sex, but they arent happy with the way the porn movies are presented. I am sorry Eduardo991, I know quite a lot of women enjoying porn, but I never found a women who enjoined GGG/JT etc. Never. Ive rented the two 666 movies nearly a year ago. I am not telling tales here, but Ive came to the conclusion, that I dont want to give my euros away for this trash. Another problem, the JT/666 are too similiar. I have 1800 porn movies in my collection now, and if you would show me the cover of a porn movie by Video Art Holland, Color Climax or Wicked, I could give you a short summary of the scenes, but with JT - no chance. Both of the models were german, blonde and looked like 18 or 19. But apart from these sentences - that arent uncommon in german porn - the whole "atmosphere" is unerotic and apalling. If somebody would ask me, what I dont like in porn, I wouldnt talk as long as here, but would give him a "Sexbox" and a "Max Hardcore". This really sums up perfectly, what I hate in porn. And too many women believe, that this stuff is representative for porn in generall. And I am not talking like a blind woman about colours, Ive watched around 2 dozens JT movies, but I would rather spend my money to buy root beer, instead of buying this porn trash.
Fair enough. You're of course entitled to your opinion, Caroline. As for the interview I translated, that sure didn't sound like it was read from a teleprompter, or otherwise rehearsed, but you may be right about other ones; it would be pointless anyway to argue if we're not talking about the exact same scenes (there are around 25 movies that came out on the 666 label in 2005-2006). Peace!
I personally don't like props in the way of swallowing any amount of cum. Give me ten loads back to back straight from the cock and I'm happy. Props cause the cum to cool down and take on a whole new form that is really not sexy at all,I have used a straw and I've used a soup ladle and it just compromises the cum sooo much.Then again I have never had to swallow more than 12 loads so I don't know what I would prefer in that situation if a bowl were required.
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you are so right on the money there...that has to be the worst shot stuff EVER
GGG is in fact porn that disgusts me. I don´t know why - the setting, the aggressive atmosphere, the terrible camera work, that floor covered in plastic foil - everything yells "dirty" in a bad way, not in the hot way. I found myself ordering movies from them a couple of times, but in the end what counts for many porn flics is a 100% true in terms of GGG: watch one trailer and you´ve watched the whole series. I really am sorry for most of the female performers.
With all this being said, Caroline, how is it that some girls do multiple GGG/666/Sex Box titles? One girl, Amelie, started with GGG and then moved on to 666 and eventually Sex Box. I have three films with her in it (In Namen Der Pisse, Sex Box No 25 and Piss Action) Why do some of these girls continue with it if the money is so bad and the working conditions so poor? I can tell that she struggles through some of it (who wouldn't, having to drink gallons and gallons of piss?) yet she seemed to go back for more and was even smiling from time to time. Most of the girls who have a bad experience quit after the first shooting. So why do so many others put up with it? They're not on a yearly contract or anything or they? Surely not, if so many leave after the first film?
@Ryan: Because its XXX-Mas, I will try to be polite and friendly in my answer. ( GGG is grrrrrrr making me angry ......) Many of the GGG women only shot 1-3 movies. Especially on 666, many shot only one. Even the most ignorant men are able to see, that most of the girls dont like what they do. There ARE a few exceptions, like Annette Schwarz and very few others, but these are the exception, not the rule. And some desperately need the money, Munich is the most expensive town in whole Germany. I say it again, I like golden shower games, I also enjoyed group sex and its a great turn on for me to be "golden showered". I like the smell and the taste of urine, but even I dislike 666 and Sexbox, Pissbox movies. There is no eroticism at all, no pleasure, its only mechanical stuff. A female dutch video dealer, who also disliked this stuff, called it "Deutsche Fabrikpornos". I can only repeat her statement : "If this would have been my first porn movie, instead of a Seventeen video, I NEVER would had watched porn again. Instead of selling porn videos today, I would be a member of an anti-porn feminist group." I am not selling porn videos, only buying, but this GGG and Max Hardcore stuff is giving porn a very bad name. At the moment, I am in Germany, to visit my parens on X-Mas, and have visited some shops. Most have this GGG/666/Sex-Piss-Junkbox stuff on the first shelves. Its just the cliche most women have of porn. So if this stuff is ubiquitous and presented in front of the stores, then please stop moaning, that so few women try to watch porn. Reading the past comments here, some men cant understand or feel, how degrading this stuff is. Look at some older Seventeen Specials on VHS, who also had Golden Shower Scenes, these movies are erotic; I doubt, that Mr.Thompson knows the term "erotic" at all. German authorities have already seizured 3 of his "Sexbox" volumes, so he had to cancel this series. And if he is continuing this only with his "Pissbox" series, they will confiscate some DVDs again and he will make the same "career" as his "brother-in-mind" Max Hardcore. Edited by - Caroline-NL on 12/24/2007 8:34:04 AM
I did notice that for a few months, JT stopped his Sex Box series but it looks like he's started it up again. I think it's the weakest series, anyway. For me, though, there aren't that many different ways to shoot "golden shower" films, apart from choosing the type of girls, lighting, camera angles, etc. When you get right down to it, pissing is pissing, whether done on the floor, on a bed, with one man or multiple men. Just like there aren't many differences to how a man can shoot his load into a girl's mouth. When you get right down to it, when you've seen one style of porn film, you've seen them all. That applies to JT, most of Evil Empire's stuff, Private, etc.
Ryan1481 wrote: "For me, though, there aren't that many different ways to shoot "golden shower" films, apart from choosing the type of girls, lighting, camera angles, etc. When you get right down to it, pissing is pissing," It isnt. Have you seen some of the older Seventeen Specials of the early 90s, ("Wet Lust", "Golden Shower Special") etc. ? You will see the difference at once. Especially lust, but also erotic are missing in GGG and similiar movies. Instead of focusing on the beauty of the girls and the SLOW development of the scene, its just a concentration on the "bizarre" scenes, how many can piss as much as possible. It looks like a record show, as if they want to enter the Guiness book of world records, but not like sex, that is enjoyed by all participants. Dont mind, Ryan1481, enjoy your GGGs. As long as I dont have to watch them again,...... GGGs latest "innovation" is Piss-Box. Sex-Box had to be cancelled, but I am not sure, if he can start the series, after a 1 year legal hiatus, again.
I checked out bukkakeshop.com recently because Sex Box 27 was the last one he did and for a few months no other ones were being released so i thought he cancelled the series but another couple have been released so i guess the authorities let him off. But i must admit, i haven't seen the older pissing films. For me, though, it is more the visual imagery that i like, rather than the actual act itself. I don't think i would want to participate in a pissing scene but for voyeuristic purposes, it's great. As for Piss-Box, I don't know what they can do to make it different from Sex Box, since Sex Box already focuses on pissing, unless they make the girls swallow more piss or get even more men to piss on them....?
Its very simple really. GGG cater specifically to the raincoat crowd. The very atmosphere depicts the stark, sodden, dankness characteristic of perverse subcultures the world over, where faceless figures roam the shadows in anonymity, feverishly acting out their lust driven urges, and behaviors. Ramsey said it best.Exactly, it doesn't take place in the usual lush designer malibu estate, nor are the cumloads jerked from the same buffed stunt cocks, women typically find appealing, that of course makes it acceptable, despite the common abusive language, and intense throat fuckings they regularly induce.
Actually, the original Sexbox goes up to volume 30 on bukkakeshop.com. Apparently John Thompson came under fire and renamed it to Pissbox but only made two volumes before going back to Sexbox 2007 of which there are already 6 volumes. All of these are also on his updated bukakeshop.com site. Most are available for download on the internet if you know where to look Edited by - shark1 on 12/28/2007 3:26:41 AM
Hehe, no more porn for me, though, shark. I already have enough and I don't have any more space at home. I've kept my favourite titles and don't want to sell them. All good things must come to an end, I suppose.....
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