Is there a lot of porn being made? Obviously yes. It just seems that there really isn't much that's interesting right now. Is it just me? I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like there really hasn't been any must see stuff in a while. Most of the stars I was into have retired, the handful remaining active don't really seem to be doing much at all. In my opinion, porn was never really the same after Sasha Grey retired, then a certain celebrity had three stars retire, Brooklyn Lee retired due to her boyfriend telling her too or something. Stoya is practically a ghost now. Faye Reagan was a big star, then she disappeared I think after forums started gossiping about her. I'm just really having a hard time getting into new stars. Some stand out, like Bonnie Rotten and Remy LeCroix. For the most part though, I just haven't seen anything that has caught my eye. There's barely any "firsts" in the news, celeb sex tapes are few and unremarkable, and a lot of stars say that they're going to try something new only to never follow through. Stars like Siri are what keep me interested in porn though, ordered a dvd from her site, and got a bunch of additional things included with pleasant messages written on them. She's awesome because she doesn't need to do any of that, and yet she did anyway. She's generous and seems to have a great attitude and a kind heart. She legitimately appreciates her fans, that makes her unique. I'm not saying other stars don't do that stuff, it just seemed new to me. I just think that a lot of things aren't being managed well, fan appreciation seems a little low in most releases these days. I also think that companies are running out of ideas, which is completely understandable, almost everything has been done to death. Plots, setups, and taboos have been used so often that it's just becoming stale. I think that maybe something different and groundbreaking needs to happen to really re-energize the industry. I have no clue what it could be. I feel that the performers, the people behind the cameras, directors, and studios aren't to blame for any of this though. Obviously there will be exceptions, but it seems that this lull was inevitable. There isn't enough news stories about the porn world, there's the occasional tragic news story, but I remember when a big news story was about a Sarah Palin porn parody. That was interesting. Surprise announcements, performers coming out of retirement, things being hard to predict, that was exciting and compelling, back when average porn viewers were desperate to get as much news about an upcoming release as possible. Now, things are kind of "meh", and I think that sucks.
People need a good reason to make good porn. And this reason is money. When the money for porn dries up, then so does professional porn-making. Because professionals need to get paid. Only amateurs work for free. There isn't as much money to be made in porn now as there was before. Because virtually all new porn nowadays gets copied immediately and distributed for free, without any pay or compensation for porn-makers at all. The system for paying porn-makers is broken. And that's why porn-making now isn't as good as it was before.
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Posted - Dec 13 2014 : 4:18AM
I tend to watch for certain individuals and follow their body of work. It only starts to get dull when they stop making movies and there is a gap for another person to pick up the slack. There's always at least a few women making consistent high quality work in the sea of lameness. Christy Canyon Traci Lords Krysti Lynn Misti Luv Sasha Grey Jasmine Byrne Gianna Michaels Katie Cummings Isis Taylor Alexis Breeze Jynx Maze Laurie Vargas Skin Diamond Paige Turnah Ava Dalush Jillian Jansen
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Posted - Dec 13 2014 : 6:19AM
I don't know if it ever gets boring. I've been buying porn since it was illegal and you had to buy it under the counter. I tend to stick with a few models that I enjoy and then find new ones when they don't do it for me anymore. currently I spend much time and money looking for these girls. Kalyn Arianna Cindy Gomez Talia Tyler Gina Lopez Mia Lina Hailey Young They mostly do the same things but it's the way they do it.. :)
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Posted - Dec 13 2014 : 11:37AM
As a porn viewer, I don't see this "lull" you speak of. In fact I don't think this is a question of the porn world being boring and uninteresting, but rather of you being bored with and no longer very interested in the porn world.
This topic is very important and i congratulate the op to post this topic . It concerns anybody who still wants to watch some good porn . Hardcore but at same the time very sensual , lots of seductions in the movies and scenes. I think we all have seen it porn is in a bad shape . Internet piracy is one of the main cause for this situation . But at the same time porn has gained more people worldwide through the internet . Porn traffic is at its highest . What does it imply guys ? This means theres still a huge market for porn . So the porn industry needs to use the internet at its advantage . Look at youtube people is earning a lot of money through their channels - subscriptions , the amount of views . etc . People are watching their videos for free but still they are earning a lot of money . Maybe we need to create a system like youtube . Im not an expert in it though . I remember back in 2000-2003 the huge boom of internet porn sites like bangbros , r.k , n.a , brazzers . Yes there was piracy .But fans were buying , paying for the scenes because they were enjoying some good porn scenes . They feel it was worth paying it . But now fans are leaving the sites for different reasons - They find scenes extremely samey , boring and repetitive . Some fans dont like this stud . Too much of this guy . Most of the time they complain about the stud performance . So directors need to start listening the real fans who pay , the members first !! Rates - In such difficult times , recesssion some famous /veteran/ contract pornstars male and female need to understand u can no longer demand for a high pay 1000-1500 $ . Guys like mick blue , ramon nomar , keiran lee , manuel , mr pete , erik etc u need to understand u are demanding too much money . We need to cut costs . Thats also the problem politics in the business , im a good friend with one of the owners or directors this means how bad i am i can get the new girls to work with . Look at clover hes extremely bad as a porn stud but still u can see him work with the new sexy babes . U cant take people for granted . Fans are fed up !! Fans are fed up !!! let me tell u one thing , i have never seen that so many people complain about keiran lee on brazzers . Fans want to see new scenes new girls with new guys like xander , j.jones , bruce venture , brick danger . Edited by - kobbie2Hottie on 12/13/2014 11:40:11 AM
I was talking about repetitive scenes . I just read that kissa sins will work exclusively with johnny sins . At one point fans will get fed up . Sandee westgate with her husband or companion jared grey . Keiran lee with kirsten price . All these are repetitive scenes in the end . Theres a new generation of fans . Back to 2000 we were talking in Gigabyte now its TERABYTE . So porn also needs to change . We need to see a big change . We need to listen to fans what they really want . You cant put a sexy girl with a lame stud like clover and still want people to subscribe . Look what happened to killergram AMATEUR guys are now doing scenes for them . The owner disanto takes fans to be stupid . Provide them HD scenes but scenes look so bad . Killergram provides 26 scenes for 40 $ !! MONTHLY . If u are dumb u will pay . Directors need to start listening to fans , Dont act like politicians . Dont take fans to be stupid and dumb who will throw all their money whenever theres a hot blond on the market . That was back to the time of jenna jameson tera patrick its no longer the case . Fans want to see a nice hard porn scene , performance first . Legal porno is doing quite well .
Katie Cummings is making loads of porn these days Bellend? Massive fan but i do not see her making loads of porn.She does a few scenes with her bf but hardly enough.Where are you getting your Katie Cummings fix from?
We need to get away from the mysogeny that is all too evident in modern porn, and back to the stylish work best seen in Color Climax and similar European sites. To me, spitting, slapping and throttling are complete turn offs.
Exactly. It seems like porn isn't as strong as it used to be. Maybe it's the rise of streaming sites. I don't know but about 7-8 years ago it was much more quality
Its dull right now because that's the era we are in. Its a vanilla war between the online sites who can pump out 50 B/G scenes a month and everyone else who does not have the same production capacity. Evil Angel is probably the only studio at the moment who can match the volume of output from brazzers and NA. And with both of those sites you are primarily getting some basic B/G with good production. I'm not sure how successful it will be in the future to try to compete with these companies in straight up B/G sex. I'm thinking that the DVD studios that stick around are the ones who will create a following for some other specialty that Brazzers, NA, BangBros, etc don't cater to. And since there is less money coming in from traditional sources (DVD business) there is less production money to make the movies that are outside of the traditional B/G stuff that the online sites are dominating at the moment.
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Posted - Dec 20 2014 : 4:10PM
The way to change it is start new production and distribution. Most consumers don't have the means to do that so porn companies will continue to force all white b/g content on the market. It will probably fail in the long run but they will not change unless they go broke or someone forces them to change.
I guess it depends on your perspective. From mine, things are pretty good. In the gonzo world, you have people like Dana Vespoli putting out creative content, and there is a bunch of dynamic all-sex queer stuff coming out of San Francisco. Then there are companies like Vinegar Syndrome putting out classics restored from the film negative, some on blu, that I don't think anybody imagined they would ever see in such pristine condition. Companies like Babes and X-Art are producing really beautifully made content. Finally, websites are putting out individual scenes that practically constitute short films, with narrative and performers who stay in character. My only complaint is the lack of creativity in features--parodies and feature films that have awesome set design, good acting and dialogue, only for the whole thing to fall apart as soon a 45 min gonzo scene gets wedged in between the 3min narrative portions. I simply can't understand how this would appeal to anyone, and I think it's a shame. REVENGE OF THE PETITES got my hopes up, but now it seems Harry Sparks is no longer working with AMK and the follow up, SAVING HUMANITY, never got released.
Of course, but what I'm referring to is when you look at sites such as CCC, the girls look like they are enjoying themselves. The classy sets and clothing are great too.
But i wonder if the rates are still the same ??? 50 B/g scenes a month !! For B/G - its still 1000$ ?? in this difficult times . Some pornstars are overrated and they demand too much money look what happened to elegant agent . They always use veteran guys , so called best girls they always use top girls like jayden james whose rates are very high .
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Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 11:48AM
^^Plenty of women enjoy "spitting, slapping and throttling" during sex with the right partner or partners. We should not assume that the pornstars who are in those scenes are not enjoying themselves or are being victimized in some way.
Yes a big company will pay more for a veteran guys because they know the guy shows up on time and performs well enough that they will have a new scene in the can at the end of the day. If I am producing a scene for a big company like a Brazzers or Digital Playground, the last thing I want to do is commit x amount of dollars to a popular porn girl, pro-camera, lighting, and make-up crew for the day, and end up with nothing because they guy couldn't get an erection or worse, brings drama to the set. I'd gladly pay more money for the peace of mind you get from hiring an established professional.
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Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 8:30PM
^^I absolutely agree and I'll point out again that there is a vast amount of "modern porn" which does not have rough sex.
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Posted - Dec 22 2014 : 1:45AM
I guess Katie Cummings isn't making much anymore, its a shame because she is excellent. 2014 was almost completely saved by Skin Diamond and Jillian Jansen. I really hope Isis Taylor and Gianna Michaels in 2015!
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Posted - Dec 23 2014 : 11:53AM
I lost interest in porn when Jenna Haze, Sasha Grey, and Tori Black retired. Then my favorite studio Elegant Angel turned to shit. Now I'm just struggling to find a performer I can connect with but to no avail.
It's not often obvious though. I have bought dvds or downloaded scenes that appear to be straight forward anal, threesome, squirting etc - and yet half way through the guy starts throttling the girl, badmouthing her, slapping her in the face or hooking her mouth. (The "Flowers Squirt Shower" series is a good example of this). Fine if you are into that sort of thing - but for me and my wife its a total scene killer. Having spent £20+ on a DVD only to have it ruined by crap like this is one of the reasons I stopped buying porn.
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Posted - Dec 24 2014 : 9:41PM
^^^Rely on trailers and reviews. Also, keep in mind that some studios or directors produce little or no rough content and that there are pornstars in both genders who rarely or never film such content. Look around a bit and it shouldn't be hard to find porn that is more to your liking. Edited by - misspornUSA on 12/24/2014 9:57:10 PM
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Posted - Dec 25 2014 : 6:56PM
Well I open some door to some closet and boy that don't seem dull. I just kinda step back for a moment.
it's been dead for about 6 or 7 years now. Every scene is over-produced, the girls are pretty but dull, the same guys are in every scene. I wish we could go back to porn of early to mid 2000s.
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Posted - Dec 26 2014 : 7:19AM
I actually am glad that someone did speak up on this topic because ever since I returned the beginning of the year, I have been constantly saying that I feel like the industry has lost its' imagination. Also, a while back I was thinking about writing a blog post called "the pornstar is dead" since there is hardly a "star factor" anymore. I still don't even know who all the contract stars are and some companies stopped contracting all together. I don't think any one thing is responsible for the changes that the industry has gone through although certain influences, such as piracy and corporate consolidation (which had been mentioned) have had a greater impact than others. Money is a huge factor, as it always tends to be. As a performer, what stands out most for me is the decrease in available work, increase in performer turnover, decrease in average pay per scene, fewer companies, and actual creative investment is very rare. Kind of a pay less shoot quicker general outlook (there are exceptions to that, of course). Since all i really hear are opinions coming from the inside, it is interesting to find out that some viewers can notice a difference as well.
The amount of quality in porn scenes is down. It seems like directors are too busy to shoot the next film and so they go with absolutely no scene background or foreplay. It is like the the girl walks as fast as possible into the scene and sucks it. The other one is get her on the couch and talk to the camera (sick) and ask her if she likes it in the ass. These scenes are all on the internet and have no creativity. And it kills chemistry between the performers (esp the women.) And it seems like this problem is getting worse and worse!
There is much valid criticism of the present state of the porn world here. Still, I think the biggest factor in enjoying porn is the quality of the women. If you aren't into the woman on the screen, the sex is going to be dull. Less money has meant weaker casts and that's the core problem the industry faces headed into 2015. Edited by - aclayfan on 12/26/2014 9:09:58 AM
I would recommend watching Louis Theroux's documentary called 'Louis Theroux Twilight Of The Porn Stars' He shows a closer insight to the porn world and performers.
Seeing as the first porn movies I saw were all movies done in the 70's and 80's than what follows is going to be partially biased in favor of the types of movies that were made back then but not to the point where I can't appreciate other types of porn. In fact my moto is that variety is the spice of life and I apply that to almost everything I enjoy. The type of movies made in what is often referred to as the golden age of porn tended to fall under two categories. Stag films which were often silent or had some pretty bad dubbing. For those who might not know what a stag film well it's basically the grandfather of gonzo porn where it's usually a man, a woman and a lot of sex. The other type of porn was feature films where the people making the movie are trying to tell a story with an actual plot, some real dialogue, actors wearing the appropriate clothes for the time period of the film and the movie was often shot in various locations as well as on some built stages. What tends to differentiate the features made in those days to most of what has followed is that you had a movie where the actors played a role and part of their role involved them having to have hardcore sex. Often the sex was more gentle and there seems to have been a genuine desire by the filmmakers to make the sex look as real as can be for a porn movie. At some point the type of feature films being made sort of shifted. You still had actors, a plot, dialogue, more or less proper clothes, decent acting but location shooting became more rare and the biggest difference is that where you once had a movie where at some point the actors were going to have sex you now had sex scenes where the filmmaker created a plot to justify the sex scene. The shift at first was hard to distinguish because the people making those movies were true filmmakers with a strong understanding of how films are made. The shift over time became more obvious because those true filmmakers were replaced by a guy with a camera and a general understanding of filmmaking. Not everyone was sad of that change because the sex became more graphic and it was better lit that a lot of those great golden age classics. I confess that I enjoy many of those movies all the while still wishing that there had been a better plot. The final shit in feature films was the introduction of an earlier version of what we now call gonzo porn. The gonzo porn of the 90's tended to have vignettes scenes where there is still a plot but it's very basic and the sex is by far the most important part. You can screw up the plot (sorry for the pun) as long as the sex scene is well done. It can argue that there were still some performers with actual acting talent as they were expected to play a specific role that involved dialogue and basic acting skills. Today most of the feature films tend to be long sex scenes that are very graphic where the filmmaker has to come up with a plot so that the sex scene makes a semblance of sense in the overall movie. Gonzo has suffered the most over the years because there is now no dialogue, no plot, little to no acting, other than for the performers look like they are enjoying themselves(sadly many fail to do that) and the sex is so graphic and sterile that it feels more like a gynecologist worse nightmare than people having sex. I don't find most of todays porn dull. I find it sexually unstimulating.
When u have the mike adriano show every friday on bang scheduled for 1 year Then for saturday on rk we have the criss strokes show scheduled for 1 year The keiran lee morning daily fuck on brazzers scheduled for 1 year Then on N.A we got the gay stud / small dick with sexy women series lol scheduled for 1 year Whenever theres a new hot girl in town the dinosaurs aka mick blue , manuel , toni , ramon , erik , jonh strong , pete they need to taste her pussy FIRST !! Then the contract studs - keiran leee , criss strokes , jonny castle . Look what happened to round and brown on rk . The ebony girls are super hot but have u looked at the studs they offered to fuck these round asses . Thats why people are quitting their memberships . Piracy is the main big problem but on the other hand the quality of the scenes leave a great deal . Of course we will get tired and bored . Some guys say its all about women its all about women lol But go and watch your amateurs scenes like my dirtyhobby !!! Theres no variety !! no variety at all .. Fans need to get the element of surprise .not repetitive boring scenes all day long .
On the one hand, I'd have to agree that porn is pretty boring right now. I think a large part of that is because all the major producers are locked in to their formats. Every scene from Amateur Allure to GirlsDoPorn to Bangbus to DancingBear to Manojob to Brobang to Naughty Office is pretty much like every other, except that the cocksocket is different. At least one other producer seems to do every scene in an all-white room somewhere, and another, or maybe it's the same one, shoots just about everything with windows in the background. All teens still have pigtails, and all MILFs still have big, fake tits. Whether that's because of budget constraints or a lack of imagination or a philosophy of if-it's-broke-don't-fix-it, I don't know. I realize that there are only so many ways to film people having sex. I won't bother to list my own preferences, but, still, there are plenty of suggestions floating around here for scenes and activities that would add some variety to the mix. On the other hand, the constant stream of beautiful young women who continue to volunteer to have sex on camera for our fapping pleasure continues to amaze me, as it has for 35 years. I think that around 2006 was probably the high-water mark, and girls don't stay around as long as they did then, but in 2014 we certainly got to watch an amazing number of beautiful women suck and fuck.
I feel similar to Johnmoxon: I've felt this way for 6,7, even 10 years. Personally, what I miss most is Real Gonzo like Seymore and Shane, Ben Dover, and more such 90s, early 00s stuff. Much of porn is too professional and too well-shot and predictable. Every scene looks the same, tease, bj, pussy lick, cowgirl, reverse, cumshot, and that's a wrap. Yawn. In a much wider sense, another commenter is correct -- the downcline* of actual hard sales is definitely having an effect on creativity. *That's a real word, isn't it?
I agree that porn nowadays is predictable. But there is also new stuff like spitplay. I never did see any nice spitplay in the 90s or beginning of the 00s. Also the girls are more and more beautifull. What I really miss is closeups. In most of the scenes you don't see any close-ups. I like to see a tongue probe a womans pussy or arse and after that some kissing.
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Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 4:27PM
What is happening in porn is more political than entertainment. There is no way everybody can be producing the same thing with the same people by accident. There is too much talent and demand for different products for producers not to notice.
^If only it was political but the reason why everybody produces basically the same stuff is that it's the least expensive to do and the best way to make some kind of profit. What did people think would happen when they stopped paying for porn. Fuck me but it's not rocket science. You don't want to pay for it than guess what. The people making it won't want to make something that might be good because it's going to cost them a lot more than they can hope to make back in sales so they make the least expensive type of porn possible because the measly return on investment makes it a viable option for them. I know you still have some that do a decent job of offering moderately good porn but they are the exception and they are getting to be very rare.
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Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 6:18PM
^^^If it was just about cheaper production cost there would be more Black women working because they usually charge less and there is a huge market for them. Same for Asians and Latinos. Porn could cut down on piracy there are ways to do it that is why mainstream movies aren't pirated as much. Still say there is a political reason for whats going on in porn.
^Where did you read that mainstream movies or TV shows are less pirated? The only things that are different for the mainstream industry now are the same things that have always been different. They have more paying customer to off-set their piracy loss and the Government attempts to stop pirates. None of these things are true for porn. In fact it's a thousand times worse because many of the pirate sites are owned by porn studios so you have one group stealing the profit out of the pocket of another group. You don't see MGM stealing the work of Fox or Universal. I don't want to burst your bubble but there is sadly still a pretty strong Racist undertone in America. You just have to have watched the news since Obama became president to see how rampant it still is and in many places where you didn't think it would. For that reason I don't expect to see a huge increase in Interracial porn. If there was going to be one than it would have happened when the industry was making money left and right. I'd also love to know where you heard that black performers are willing to work for less than their white counterpart. I would think that any girl willing to do porn would get paid the same amount regardless of the color of her skin.
In fact, the list of most pirated TV shows and movies was just released. You are correct. There are another two things that have kept tv and movies from going the way of the decimated music industry, and they are two things that porn cannot do. 1) TV is still tops in terms of media and they will always have advertisers willing to support their programming. Ad rates will be up/down/sideways whatever, but there's always money to be made 2) People still want to see the biggest movies on the big screens, with crowds. Even if you do end up downloading the Hobbit III: The Final Cash Grab for free, or buying it, streaming it, whatever, you still want to see it on the big screen once or twice. And many people did just that the past two weeks. Big entertainment demands the big screen. But otherwise, dvd sales have been hollowed out almost as badly as CD sales due to pirating. The emergence of bigger and cheaper hard drives makes saving a full season of Walking Dead no problem at all. And that's the problem with porn nowadays as well.
Although I think TV as an entertainment delivery system will always be there. The harsh reality for network television is that cable is killing them. I mean how can they compete when every cable channel can show almost anything they want without any problem. A naked woman having simulated sex on cable should not be any different than if she was doing it on network television and yet you don't see that on network TV. I'm not advocating the removal of said naked girl on cable but regulations make it impossible for network TV do to that for what I assume are moral grounds. No offense but does anyone really believe that young children aren't watching HBO, Showtime and every other cable channels programming?
That one is only partially true. If I was to use statistics than it would be completely false because 2014 was the worst movie attendance since 95. Mind you I don't think we can use statistics to talk about attendance in 2014 because Hollywood movies didn't deserve to get decent attendance. I mean when Hollywood wants to take a giant dump on it's paying customers than guess what. Some of us will want to return the favor and shit on them. I don't know about you or the rest of the people but I'm not going to dish out 12$ or more dollars to go see on the big screen movies like The Legend of Hercules, jack Ryan, I (fuck me) Frankenstein, Monuments Men(more like Monumental failure), Robocop, Winter's Tales, Endless Love, Pompeii(yeah let's make a love story set in ancient time and kill off the main characters in the end), 300 Rise of a crappy film, Need for Speed, Noah(more like nowhere) and let's not forget Spiderman 2, Transformer 4 and I could go on but you get my point. People still want to see movies on the big screen because it can be so amazing but when a movie ticket is 12$ or more, popcorn and a soft drink is about 8$ and there is a good chance that you will be seated near someone who doesn't care about the other people in the theater because he's an entitled douchebag so your 20# will not get you the experience you wanted. You couple that with the fact that for about the same price you will be able to buy that movie on Blu-ray in less than six months and can watch it on your big screen TV at home and you have an always declining movie theater attendance. Hollywood is too stupid to see that and I don't expect them to get smart quickly enough to see a major change in the immediate future so mainstream media is also suffering. In fact one could argue that they are suffering just as much as the porn industry because they have paying customers but their cost of operations for just a single studio is significantly higher than all of the porn industry put together is.
I don't know if dvd/Blu-ray sales are all that bad when it comes to mainstream media. You are correct that way too many people don't have any scruples with downloading pirated stuff but as I said above. People don't go to the movie because they will buy the movie when it comes out on dvd/Blu-ray and the loess for movie theaters is the gain for video retail stores. I'm old school so I like to have a physical copy of the media and therefore I still buy plenty of dvd's and Blu-ray's.
But loads of new stuff coming out all the time. The "porn world" doesn't revolve around only San Fernando Valley. There is a boom in DIY porn on sites such as My Dirty Hobby and others. Also, in the UK, the production value on porn output on porn channels has got increasingly more advanced over the years, suggesting bigger budgets because of what I would guess has been a growing customer base. A high- proportion of gonzo style stuff pioneered by the likes of Ben Dover within this output, such as stuff shot by Jim Slip and his naughty horny wife Laura Latex - the best of British getting their British end away consistently! Laarvleee!
But dvd sales have declined. They are trending downward. As the linked article states the market is down from $22M in 2004 to a little under $8M in 2013. Of course, and this is the thing with me, it could also be that people gorged themselves on sales during that big period of Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, the flood of old TV shows being made available, people now have large libraries of dvds most of which hardly get watched anymore, which will definitely put a chill on buying more.