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| JennaRulez2006 Member  The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 |  Posted - Jan 17 2008 : 11:11AMOk this was my 3rd year in a row attending the Expo. I enjoyed all three but here are some tidbits that sort of annoyed me. Now I know the Expo is more for business, but it seems I got the impression us fans, who paid $70-$80 for a ticket, were not too important really. These guys with credentials around thier necks and recording equipment just whiz past you almost knocking you over to get interviews, which at times would take up to 10 minutes. Leaving the fans waiting patiently for the starlet to return to signing. No warning told to the fans, nothing. Maybe I am expecting too much? Joanna Angel seems to be one of the few who will tell the guys who want an interview "I am done at 4pm, comeback then as this is my time with my fans" She did that last year and this year. Great girl she is. Then there are those guys who want posing pics from the starlet. These guys see the line up, and just step in front of you and say "Rebecca can we get some shots" and they take about 25-30 pics. Then there was the Jada Fire line up, and why do the guys who are involved with the girls in thier personal life have to get into some sort of serious conversation with them, get the girl all emotional? Isn't there a time and place for that? Or is it also for show? Jada I could see was crying as she had watered up eyes and a kleenex in hand. She wasn't very talkative to many after that, seemed the girl just wanted to hurry up and sign stuff, get pics etc. But before that incident, she was lively to the fans and laughing with them. Then there was the Carmen Luvana line up and pics. Big Ed and another guy with tattoos that would be making sure you were not that close to Carmen for your pic. I seen them looking at where the guys would put thier hand for the pic. Understandable, so I asked where am I allowed to put it? The guy with the tatts says on her waist but not tight So compared to most other pics with others, you can't get close to Carmen. Thanks guys, remind me not to bother meeting Carmen again, or do the security staff look at all fans as pervs? LOL. I guess i expect a alot for paying $70-$80 a ticket each day, so I just wanted to see if others understand what I am saying here. I know tons are regulars to this Expo so they may not see what I am saying, I don't know these girls on a personal basis so that may be why. Kylie Ireland was superb, when someone was talking to her for an interview or something, she would say to the fans in line "Give me 5 minutes ok?" very considerate. 3 guys from some radio station walks up and asks for an interview, budding in the line, to Stephanie Swift and she says sure and walks over to the couch. Was about 15 minutes. Also what is with the girls just up and walking away from the signing area with no notice? The Wicked line up had Stormy, Kaylani, Jessica and Randy there, Kaylani just ups and walks to the back and sits down. Poor guys who just got thier pic with Stormy and she signed the poster were 5 seconds too late to meet Kaylani, and then she comes back 5 minutes later, then does it again. I wasn't worried about meeting her, was more for meeting Jessica Drake. But still. And the best has to be the friends who walk by, see a big line up of fans for someone and that person has to yell "Hi" to who it is and then go over stand in front of the fan who has been waiting patiently to meet the girl in line to talk to her for 10 minutes. Just a thought here, is our $70-$80 a cash grab and then we get the snub for being fans not working in the biz in some capacity? I found that anytime you had guys who were to do interviews or photo shoots were the rudest people to fans, bumping them with thier stuff to get by and just acting as if we were not there or we were a pain being there. many of times I just walked away from the line up and didn't bother to meet that specific star. The smaller studios/booths were the best, more fan friendly I found. Rhymes & Dimes, Black Market, AEBN, Stilletto for example were so fan friendly. Wicked and Vivid were ok, Ninn Worx was probably the best, girls were accessible and it had a better environment to it, the stage show on the otherside of the set up was eye candy galore. Hustler's booth was a big fun party, but Adam & Eve it all depended on who was signing. Nina Hartley, Roxy Reynolds and Joanna Angel were superb with the fans. I mean when Nina Hartley was talking to me about when she used to be on the dance circuit and danced at the bar I used to DJ at in the 90's, I was considerate to keep it short for the other fans in the line up. Most annoying time was in the Gina Lynn line up. Some dude gets about 15 blank sheets for her to sign, then gets an 8x10 signed then a pic with her. The next guy brings 3 magazines for her to sign about 8 pics in and then wants to snap a ton of pics of her. I am standing there thinking I limited my items to sign to 2 DVD covers for some but mostly just one cover, and get an 8x10 or poster or whatever the girl was giving to fans signed. Overall I enjoyed my 3rd time round to this expo. This time I preferred to not meet as many of the ones i had met the previous two years. The jury is out though on going next year. If the ticket was $70-$80 this year, I bet it will be closer to $100 next year. I apologize if I am annoying or offending those who see no problems with what I found annoying. remember I am not a fan who knows these people on a personal basis so yes it may be different to understand it from a point this point of view. Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on Jan 17 2008 [Link] |
| phatbasey Senior Member 1390 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jan 17 2008 : 11:22AM [Link] |
| pito05 Member BROOKLYN nyc 508 Posts 9/06 | Posted - Jan 17 2008 : 5:53PM just across the aisle, i had a handful of people ahead of me for jenna haze, after whom i was going to hop over to monique. but then monique just got up and left. she came back for about a minuite, so i was like, ok, but then she left for good. ah well, at least i got pics with/of her from previous aee's [Link] |
| gato Member 193 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 17 2008 : 11:18PM I just hope it's not $100 next year. Maybe if I become a porn-blogger, I can get a press/trade badge? heheh :) Next year will be interesting since I think CES will overlap the AVN dates. [Link] |
maltedecker  All-Star Member 369 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 4:32AM and for the talking bit. why are you going there? just for pictures? if i have the chance to meet one of my favorite stars i definitly would like to talk to him/her. that's the most important bit for me. i know it slows down everything but when it's the only chance i've got to talk to them then i'll take it. and after i saw how some people behaved while taking pictures with some girls i can understand that some have tighter security. on the one hand i'd say they should open more days for fans to make it easier for everyone to get his share, but on the other hand this might kill the girls...  [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 11:07AM 70-80 dollars like everything else in Vegas is just a cash grab. You go to a show for 90 minutes for a magician, a beatles themed circus, or a couple of impersonators and they can charge you over a hundred backs. I think you're expecting too much, especially with the grabbing holding the girls issue. Maybe the proper thing to do is ask a girl before you touch her in any way. Big Ed rules. [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 12:16PM Jessica Drake suggested that myself, her and Randy Spears do a group pic with the fact I had both sign Dream Quest, she was in the middle and joked "I seem to like being in the middle" I was going to ask if I could get a group pic but she beat me to it. Those with press/trade passes are more important and I figured that anyhow. My beef is why do the fans get treated disrespectfully by most who have these passes? Were those people not a fan at one time? Yes everything in Vegas, let alone all over the world, is a cash grab. But is it asking too much for a guy who works for example,some production company to say "Excuse me for a second guys" instead of walking right in front of the next fan who is about to meet the star he/she lined up for, just to talk to her, and do an interview that takes about 10 minutes? Some booths will get security to stand where the line will end for signing with that star, Adam & Even did this a few times and was a smart procedure, most times though like mentioned, no warning to anyone that the person was going to leave. Again maybe expecting too much for $80 I know. My apologies for being a fan, buying product that makes the biz money not d/l or copying it, and not working in the biz and being known on a first name basis with those who do work in it. But it is us fans that make this industry work and make money no? So just a thought to those who get priviledged with passes, you too are/were a fan, show a bit of respect to those who are ok? [Link] |
| Tobin Deactivated User 450 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 12:28PM [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 12:38PM And hey you are not a fanBOY? Ya right pal. Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on 1/18/2008 3:17:50 PM [Link] |
| pussyluvme Deactivated User I love conquistador & wana fuck him in his ass 70 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 4:58PM i think you should be bloody stocked to have been even if it costs you more, [Link] |
| Bornyo Deactivated Member 803 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 5:15PM [Link] |
| Staples Member 9 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 5:39PM i havnt been nor will i ever attend such a money hungry event! we in NZ have also the same not nealy to the same scale as LV and never as many pornstars but a similar expo, and things like this never happens maybe because it tis so small an event, but seriously guys $80USD is lot to spend on when most the time all your doing is stading in lines for a person that(maybe your favourite but none the less) cannot garrentee they will still be there by the time you actually get your 5 min chance, this infuriates me just to read this! not at JennaRulez2006 of course just at how yall are treated, its never lke that here but thats maybe because its to a smaller degree also its on $25NZD i would much rather boycott the whole senario, not give the money hungry capitalistic wanks a dime and mt your fav stars on another occasion, i understand that this maybe for some a occasion not to be missed but seriously it doesnt sound like much fun and isnt that what this is all about [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 6:23PM Things are not likely to change and if you don't think it's worth 70-80 dollars a day plus whatever travel expenses incurred, then you should stay home. Otherwise, you shouldn't feel entitled to more. You think the fourth time will be the charm? [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jan 18 2008 : 6:56PM I make a point of putting my personal email and my personal cell number on the talent appearance sheets that go out to all the pre-authorized press people for the show so that interviews and photo shoot times can be set up ahead of time. Before Erotica LA this summer, and certainly before AEE next year, I'm going to be asking the people who certify press to be press heavily emphasize that they should make every attempt possible to schedule interviews ahead of time. I have 10 and 15 minute time slots booked for interviews and photo shoots for each girl. Even XBiz makes appointments, and I can't think of a single major mag that won't comply if you ask them to come back when the girl is taking a break of is done with her fans for the day. I will accomodate everyone that I can, but not at the expense of the fans. They each have their own time with the girls which I do my best to not let conflict. It's the press who gets us coverage, and it's the fans who spend the money not just to be at the show, but on the releases when they get back home. In another thread, I explained to someone else that because of Belladonna's extremely long line (approximately a 30 minute wait), she wasn't stopping to say hello to ANYONE who didn't wait in line (Bella's rules which I happily enforced) - Bella even turned away one of her best friends, who at the time was very upset. I only once pulled Bella off her podium for an interview while she had fans waiting in line. And that was due to a mistake on my part where I forgot to cut her line early enough. I went up to all the fans in her line, gave them the picture(s) she was signing, and brought over one of the other girls at our booth to chitchat with them and keep them company while they waited for an extra 10 minutes. With my girls with shorter lines that had a few guys at a time, I would have my booth security staff help me make people aware when I was going to need to bring one of the girls away from her podium for an interview. [Link] |
| ZeroCool007 Senior Member I'm going to stab you in the throat with a spork!!! 1048 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 2:01PM person...there are times and places for that, and it's not when the star has a line of fans waiting to get some face time and an autograph...can't the interviews be done when the stars are done signing at their regular times? the fans with stacks of stuff is only mildly annoying, as it's usually the rare ones with phone book sized amounts of stuff that hold things up...but I also thing that the gorillas who ran security at adam and eve could have done a better job at not cock blocking fans... [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 2:38PM The only time that I was willing to get on a Vivid line was once last year to see Savanna Samson (at a time when the line was very short). That was only because she's a friend of a friend and I heard shit from my friend for not going up and saying hello to her the year before. As Tricia explained, there are some companies (not a lot, but some) that are really good about scheduling the down time for the girls and ending the lines ahead of time so that people don't waste their time waiting on line for someone who won't be there long enough to get to the front of the line. There are other companies who care so little about the fans that they don't even bother having a booth on the show floor and have a business suite instead (where only people with appointments can go). For the most part, the quality of product from those companies shows the same level of contempt as their attitude about the convention shows. Then there are the companies like Evil Angel & Jules Jordan Video (see quote from Jules prior to last year's AEE, when some other companies were bailing out of AEE), who know that the convention is not only about selling product to the distributors & retailers. It's just as much (if not more) about getting the fans to want their product enough that they ask the retailers to stock it. [Link] |
| barrybrn Senior Member 1568 Posts 9/03 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 3:01PM [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 3:22PM However, when MSNBC or G4 or Wired.com shows up at the booth without an appointment, it creates a conflict. I don't want to piss off Wired OR the fans, but someone's gonna be angry at me. 99 times out of 100, I'll try to kindly tell the journalist that interview slots were pre-booked because of the tight schedules at the convention, but I will do my best to find a time that they can get the interview they want. But what do I do when CNBC says they're getting ready to leave the show floor, but they want to get a 5-minute interview from Belladonna first? [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 3:44PM [Link] |
| MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 3:51PM Ok we need to understand some things here. First AEE isn't a "fan" show, originally fans weren't even allowed in, then they started doing "fan days" a few years ago. The exhibitors pay a lot of money to exhibit at that show and what they want out o it is high level exposure and sales at the distributor level. So yes real press is always going to be more important to the exhibitors than fans waiting for autographs or photos or both, sorry but you really are "second rate" at that show and if you think about it from the exhibitors stand point you'd probably do the same thing. They tell the talent what the priorities are and the talent should oblige. The talent is paid to be there and if I am paying you 800 bucks a day to sign in my booth you damn well better do what I tell you. My point being don't necessarily blame the girl. theres no reason for a girl to be rude to her fans but theres also no reason for the fans to be rude to the girls, many girls there will place your hands on their tits for photos etc, now if you think about it you can understand why Adam and Eve (or Carmen) might not want to present Carmen in that manner. Many of the fans assume way too much when it comes to being touchy. I always told my girls to take the guys by the hand and put the hands where its ok for pics, that helps a lot but some guys assume they don't have to comply and specially with girls like Carmen, it's much easier to have security to make sure things dont get out of hand....so to speak. Just because a girl is a porn chick doesnt give you the right to grope her ina photo. If you feel that this is unfair or not worth the 70-80 dollars....don't go. Remember that while you are paying 70-80 dollars the exhibitors and the industry attendees are paying WAY more than that, so yes, again, you are second class. Finally, It has been standard practice at this show for years that industry people can cut a line, it's a kind of professional courtesy and I have told my girls to do it as well. If Ron Jeremy or Teagan Presley or someone has a girlfriend or a new girl in the biz and they want an autograph they do NOT have to wait in line. This goes back to the days before fans were let in. Now if it were MY call I would go back to those days and simply make it industry only again, if a fan wants in it isnt that hard to get a badge but it puts you on equal footing with everyone else there. Erotica LA is a fan show, I have never been to that one but I would presume the rules are a little different there. [Link] |
| Hitit Member 90 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 4:14PM [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 5:39PM However, I get that this is primarily a trade show, and that business and "knowing the right people" will always get you to the front of the pack. I get annoyed and frustrated as much as the next guy... but I've never questioned the value of my $70 admission fee. I've been to enough glamour model conventions - where you pay for every single photo you shoot - to know that AEE is an unbeatable value. On the other hand, what some trade folks need to keep in mind is that AEE is also a fan event now. Times have changed, and you can't deny the role that fans play in making your business work. Tricia gets this, and I wish more folks would get with the program. I don't think it needs to go as far as refusing all line-cutting, as Belladonna does (but bless her heart for doing so). All I wanna see is simple, common courtesy. If you're Jenna Haze's friend and you wanna say hello, but you see a line of 30+ fans waiting to meet her, then use your head! Have a quick "What's up" and set up a meeting time for catching up later. I really don't mind if the performer chats with a friend for a minute or two. It's when it goes beyond the unspoken time limit into full-on conversation mode that drives me up the wall. [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 6:02PM I buy my DVD's online from a Montreal retailer...I live in Canada..and that guy who runs it is not making money off buying dvd's from the companies, but is making money from us fans buying the dvd's. It is standard courtesy to cut the line because you have a pass, that is fine, is it customary for those who do this to be rude to us WHO do buy the product of that company or girl? Is it too much to be a bit courteous to people? Or is it that fans/customers are just low in your/thier minds? Hey those who work for the companies, write columns in adult mags, etc they get lots of freebies from the companies BUT remember you also were one of us, a fan who did have to pay for the product. Never forget where you came from. I know that if I was priveleged enough to have a pass, I sure wouldn't be rude to fans lined up. I would remember I was once one of them too doing that same thing. As for the Carmen Luvana line up, my point is if the guy there who obviously works in the biz is looking at each of us in a bad way, what abou him? he works in the industry, that makes him what? better than anyone else? If a guy is groping her then shit ya, I agree security should be saying/doing something. Not every fan is a lowlife to do that. Hell when the girls put my hands on her breasts, I don't squeeze I laugh because I know the pic is going to look fun. What I am sure the girl is trying to do for the pic instead of a normal pose. I love Tricia's comment and she is a smart business woman saying this "it's the fans who spend the money not just to be at the show, but on the releases when they get back home" Take for example Stoya, now that she has been exposed to a slew of new fans, I am sure those will be searching online or thier local adult video store for her work. The fans are who make this business run, and if you think it should only be back to basics and only for trade, the industry has changed since then. More money is involved and more is to be made. And Porn is way more mainstream and acceptable than even 10 years ago. I think that having fan hours was thought of because some smart people in the business said "These are the people who give us all jobs because they buy the product" Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed all 3 years I went. I may go again in 2009, not sure, as it all depends when that time comes. I think when the guy who is a "friend" of someone shouts "Hi Stephanie" and she looks over and is surprised to see him is for show by the "friend" makes the guy think "Hahah see I know her" an ego thing because I am sure that any normal person shows common courtesy to people if they see a big line up. A 10 min chat can't wait til she has a break? But again as it seems has been said we fans are just good for our money and that is it. Secondary to anything. Yet if we don't buy the product then what happens? Evil Angel, Elegant Angel and Jules Jordan would have to be the best booths for the bigger companies for sure in terms of fan friendly. Forget Wicked, Vivid, DP and Adam & Eve. Hustler was ok. And when I mentioned about the cost, what I am saying is, it is pricey for fans and who cares if it Vegas, that is no excuse to say everything is a cash grab there, what I am saying is that yes what we get in terms of stuff to take home, yes worth it 110%, just how we are treated by pass holders is what I was getting at. I could see if it was a $5 admission sure. The unwritten rule for customers in retail is pay your money and shut your mouth, enjoy what we give you. Been that way for years. Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on 1/19/2008 6:12:42 PM [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 6:21PM Thanks. The security guards at each booth are very rarely a part of the company, and in some cases aren't a part of the adult business at all. I think I read somewhere that one of the companies hires bodyguards from an agency in Detroit. These guys are doing the job they're told by the company, and in some cases, maybe they're carrying their orders out exactly... in other cases they might have the 'doorman' mentality of turning everyone who's not a VIP away without an apology. I'd also like to add that I've heard from several people that Jenna Haze LOVES to sign for the fans, and has also asked that impromptu inverviews be scheduled so that she doesn't have to make her fans wait. [Link] |
| MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 7:05PM I'm not saying the fans ARE second rate, simply that within the context of this show they are. And Id like to point out that by and large the fans do NOT dictate to any high degree who is successful and who isn't. Thats all done at the distributor label and with marketing. Stores as a rule will special order what fans want but they stock according to the distributors guidelines more often than not. now you could argue that this is a direct reflection of what the fans want but you'd be somewhat wrong. Before Evil Angel Jules Jordan was pretty much unknown, it was the strength of Evil Angel's distribution that put him over the top and enabled him to branch out on his own with a solid fan base. That didn't come from Jules signing autographs at AEE. That came from shrewd and intelligent marketing at Evil Angel that goes back years, predating even when Tricia was with Rob Black...no slams on Tricia here just noting that John took an approach to distribution and accounts receivables that nobody had done before and John was successful with it. i wont divulge the details but it was genius and it insured his long term success. Personally i think there is a place for fan shows and a place for trade only shows and I do not think they are on the same show floor, and I think AVN is learning this as well. [Link] |
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| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 7:14PM I'm curious though... do you know something about John's approach to distribution and accounts receivables that isn't public? Bottom line: the directors own their product, John takes a distribution commission. We don't lower prices of movies to catalog prices, we have a fairly high price-point compared to most of the other gonzo companies, we only do 1 or 2 reasonable sales per year, we'll cut off a non-paying customer, and we don't backdoor product. Did I leave anything out? [Link] |
| sikid Member new york 132 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 7:24PM Can't say the girls didn't want to be there either, because they were all there walking around-and they looked worse than ever, imo. Jenna Jameson leading the fugly pack. [Link] |
| MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 7:35PM I see no need to post it here largely because it's irrelevant to fans but if you catch my drift now you completely understand. John deserves and has gotten lots of kudos (at least from me) for his approach to an ongoing problem for manufacturers in this biz. Edited by - MikeSouth on 1/19/2008 7:39:47 PM [Link] |
| MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 7:38PM Simply put, the decision not to attend was simply a decision based on ROI [Link] |
| sikid Member new york 132 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Jan 19 2008 : 7:50PM On a side note, another new company Club Tera-they did it right-I enjoyed their booth and set up. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 20 2008 : 1:02AM Basically, there's just too many people at the event these days. Someone cutting in line to get an interview seems to be much more of a pain now because you've spent so much time in a long line because of the amount of fans. More people are taking pictures because there are so many fans attending now. Before fans were let in a big part of the crowd were business men/women who really didn't even know who a lot of the girls were and really didn't care about taking pics with them because they were there for business or just stopped by to see the half naked women. Back then most people didn't even bring cameras. I don't think there was much sercurity if any because the place wasn't mostly filled with over zealous fans. Back then the VIVID booth was really the only booth with really long lines. Every other company had much shorter or no lines at all. More often than not you could talk to the girls for a few mintues or longer because there weren't that many people waiting to talk or take pictures with her. The way things are now I personally don't think it's worth 80 bucks or so for me to attend the convention. It's just too crowded and the things mentioned by Jennarulez2006 have grown to become a pain. I just don't have as much fun as I used to. But I have to say to Jennarulez2006 that as bad as the AEE has become it's probably still a better bargain than going to an actual fan convention. I went to a porn fan convention once and the the girls who were there were mostly worried about making money (which is understandable). Most or all of them flew out their on their own dime and they were charging for signing pics, taking pics with fans and hawking their stuff. All of the girls were nice about it but they were still pushing their stuff pretty hard. If a person had bought a few pics and autographs they'd have end up shelling out more than 80 bucks. [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 2:11AM [Link] |
| veronica jett Member the original dirty pirate hooker 449 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 2:14AM i am not sure what people expect when they go to these convention. [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 2:39AM [Link] |
| ZeroCool007 Senior Member I'm going to stab you in the throat with a spork!!! 1048 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 4:37AM [Link] |
| Carmen Luvana ClubCarmen.com People will always talk, might as well give them something to talk about!! 174 Posts 7/04 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 1:49PM xoxo www.EdenthexxxMovie.com [Link] |
| Mastrick Member 220 Posts 5/06 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 8:23PM [Link] |
| dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 9:34PM [Link] |
| gato Member 193 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 9:38PM [ invalid url ] She brings up a few good points. There's no doubt that convention space is getting pricier, making it costlier for companies to put up booths each year. Plus the price-gouging of hotels and additional service (food, security, etc) makes it alot harder. I've read somewhere that even CES was considering having the conference elsewhere in a few years because of all the price gouging. Hopefully that won't be the case for CES or AVN. I'm sure they work things out with Las Vegas because I'm sure LV can't afford CES or AVN not being there every year. No doubt, I had fun at this year's AVN. I don't mind so much the price hike if it was the same size as last year, but it was noticable smaller and it felt like we were paying more for less. Ah well, I still had fun mingling with the porn stars and I do appreciate the stars and the companies that made it out there. As long as I get a bunch of autographs, SWAG, and pictures, I'm good. I'll probably be back next year. Hopefully the economy gets better so the companies come back too. [Link] |
| ZeroCool007 Senior Member I'm going to stab you in the throat with a spork!!! 1048 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 10:55PM [Link] |
| dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 11:07PM [Link] |
| phatbasey Senior Member 1390 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jan 21 2008 : 11:53PM Personally I do not know what to think....Edited by - phatbasey on 1/21/2008 11:54:30 PM [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Jan 22 2008 : 12:37AM Also to Carmen, I was only a bit annoyed with how the guy in tattos was looking at each individual fan, I asked him if I was allowed to put my hand on your waist as he was looking at each of us fans. He seemed a bit caught off guard by me asking. And I didn't even stand that close to you for the pic really. I got the impression that being close is a no-no as last year Big Ed placed my hand where it would be, on your waist. Which is ok, last year's and this year's were bacially the same poses. And I understand that like in anything, all it takes is one bad apple to ruin the whole bunch. For me it is more a pleasure to meet you, get you to sign a dvd cover and/or an 8x10 and get to say a few words to you. Some girls will do more provocative poses, but for me I know that if that is the case, most times the girl will take your hands and place them on her tits or ass. Sad that lots of fans figure groping the girls on thier own accord is ok. I mean sure it may be porn, but it is a business and the girls are there to promote the business. [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| Lloyd W. Member Canada 222 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Jan 22 2008 : 1:15AM In all honesty though I do see both points of view. I'm just curious as to what the reaction would be if J-Q-Public stopped buying anything adult related. I know that will never happen though. It just seems to me that this relationship(for lack of a better term) is symbiotic. We both depend on each other to survive and thrive. [Link] |
| sikid Member new york 132 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Jan 22 2008 : 1:37PM [Link] |
| Daddy Fat Sacks Member 114 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Apr 10 2008 : 7:45PM (i think you should be bloody stocked to have been even if it costs you more) This last sentence doesn't make sense. Infact the whole thing doesn't make sense. [Link] |
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