I'm sooo tired of watching the same shit over and over. All I see in movies these days is too much of everything! too much a2m too much anal too much spitting and choking. This isn't erotic to me. This doens't do anything for me but hate the crap that these girls are put through. Where do we go from here? We've done everything but put animals in place the of the men in this boring ass fuck flicks. Can't somebody make a good movie without having to gag. The porn that's out there now is made for men and men only! I hate it. I watch all kinds of porn and I always find the same boring shit. Whatever happened to chemistry between the actors? What happened to the days of foreplay dammit!
Sorry guys for ranting but I'm so tired of whats out there. I pray to the porn gods to bring me someone who has more to offer then just cock slapping, a2ms, choking, painful anals and all that shit. Women watch porn too you know and personally that shit is a turn off.
I would like to see more interested and varied positions, I'm not talking about standing 69's or twisting up like pretzels but something from some of those self help books. I mean if you can't expect the pros to know more then a dozen positions why should the rest of us bother, common girls/guys I wanna be inspired.:)
Msmary,my girlfriend feels the same way as you and she doesn't like porn for all those reasons and a few more. As a man I like alot of the anal and some rough stuff from time to time. I do think their should be more balance. Meaning more softer, erotic type scenes with less focus on the anal and roughness.
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Posted - Jun 28 2004 : 8:17PM
to be honest i have no desire to see all the spitting and choking that goes on in a number of these films. some hollywood stuntmen and stuntwomen would have a hard time doing the manuvers that these porn people do. a lot of porn these days is more circus like than erotic sex.
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Posted - Jun 28 2004 : 8:22PM
msmary,
You may be shocked to hear this, but I think all that crazy garbage may be just as much women as it is men. Most of the females in porn would rather be slapped and fucked Analy on film than kissed and be given Oral.
I wish it was different. I have ideas for hot a$$ films, but unfortunately I don't have financial stability to get to PornoLand or the skills background to create my ideas.
I couldn't have said it any better. I wonder though, just how many females actually buy porn? Granted we're not all the same, however I can't help but think that many potential porn customers are not being served, and there's very few people who are willing to experiment and try a new approach.
The videos I produce and act in are geared towards couples to watch. Lots of kissing, foreplay, genuine climaxes from foreplay, lots of intercourse climaxes from that, then more oral sex afterwards, and in many shoots, we just layed there talking afterwards with the video rolling while I laid next to them and caressed them in the afterglow.
Of the few times I have done anal, the woman has to like it or I won't do it. Once I did a b/g shoot with a girl and it i was tongued her rear and teased her the, eventually teasing her with my fingers, then later during intercourse it just sorta happened that when she reguided me in she directed me into her rear....I don't think she meant it that way, but since the camera was there and she listed anal as things she did I guess we went for it.....after just a minute or two of letting her control the tempo I got the impression she was having a hard time so I asked, and she said she was ok....but I really started paying even more attention to her body language and concluded that she wanted to do it to make the shoot look hot so I stopped and came up with a plausible excuse that "your cute tight little ass feels so hot but your pussy feels even better so can we go back to that?"
After we were all done shooting she hugged me and thanked me for being so considerate and we talked and she agreed she wanted to make the shoot look hot....I try to tell everyone I shoot with in advance and I hope you all agree, it is so obvious to anyone who pays attention when a women is just so completely immersed in genuine sexual pleasure that there is no need to do anything else. It makes for such a hot video without the need for degradation.
Erotic videos can be done just as explicit as can be and still be classy.
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Posted - Jun 28 2004 : 9:07PM
Luke Man,
You are either the greatest BSer there ever was, you have a 2 inch dick, or Porn producers are slipping because I'm turned on just reading your posts about your scenes. I can't imagine what watching then would do to me....
If you took the men away, and put animals in their place, the films wouldn't be half so boring, and the women would have something nice to pet and talk to. Think of it - dogs, cats, ferrets, ponies, rabbits, and so on.
Ah, but I forgot - Rocco Siffredi recently brought a donkey into a scene with him and and actress, in the Euro version of 'Hazardous Duty'. However, he did not leave the scene, but instead turned it into an inter-species menage a trois . Yes, the donkey was a male, which would make this a b/b/g scene, strictly speaking. Let's hope the donkey got some oats or a carrot after his performance.
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Posted - Jun 28 2004 : 10:02PM
Hey babby,
I don't think she wants features. I personally would just like a little more normal hardcore. Slapping, Choking, Spitting none of these things are things I think of as a turn on.
I get bored with pornography from time to time, and the only advice I can give you is to step back, take a deep breath, and don't watch so much porn all the time.
And like others have said, there is more diversity to porn than you are suggesting. Its not hard to find the perfect porn for you.
And yes, most porn is made for men. Like that was any real surprise.
there are so many studios ... some are very soft some are hard some have that and some have this.
if you say every porn would have the same shit, you are wrong. maybe you should look for another studio instead to stick to one or three you know already.
the market has all various of porn, just open your eyes and try some other studios.
Very true. There is porn for every taste, really is. You just need to expand your search. There are studios that specialize in porn for women (at least from their POV). If not in America, then in Europe. (ie: Innocent Pictures)
And then there are always classics from Golden Age.
Of course, Anabolic may always claim that there is nothing more romantic than a2m or ass full of cum.
But you can't speak for all women, only for yourself. I'm sure there are A LOT of women out there who enjoy the extreme stuff and besides, there are still companies like Vivid, VCA, Wicked and Adam & Eve for example who produce porn for women so I don't see the problem.
Vivid, Wicked, VCA and Adam & Eve produce porn for cable TV/hotels, and are aiming for older, more affluent men (the Playboy crowd). They are not producing it for women. If they were, you wouldn't see so many bleached blonde, breast-implanted actresses; by and large, American women dislike seeing that stuff.
Funny I don't watch shit that has slapping and choking. Most of the porn I watch has missionary, doggie, oral and some anal. I would advise you to watch videos from Vivid and Wicked.
Porn that would be geared toward women may involve a hunk fucking women all shapes and sizes. I think Vivid and Wicked have better looking men so therefore, it would these types of erotica would have a larger female audience. However, I would not be surprised that 60% of the fan base is still men.
I don't see how hard it is to feature a good looking guy and pay him to fuck all shapes and sizes of women. If they would do that women may over take men as porn watchers.
I guess I can share some empathy with women and men who find in general facials(although some I find hot), spitting and ass licking pretty gross.
I, like NuttyBuddy, see lots of stuff I enjoy. And I don't really care for the more extreme sexual acts, but those are what get written about for the most part here in the Porn Pool. The movies I watch and enjoy these days hardly get a mention, unless it is by me. These may not be to Mary's taste, but FWIW, for example, Blowjob Impossibe 6 was just released. This line features Nacho's casting moments, as he gets to know girls in a sexual way, before then putting them into more conventional scenes. So the scenes are just people fooling around with each other in a fun way, doing what they feel like doing in an unscripted manner. There's no anal at all in the mix, and the movie feels a lot like the earlier BJI3, so to get a more in depth idea of what I mean, check out my review of that title found in the database here.
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387 Posts 6/04
Posted - Jun 29 2004 : 2:19PM
there are porn movies made for couples and you got the porn movies who got a story.
So far I've been very pleased with the movies from Kick Ass Pictures. The ones I've seen have all had a friendly atmosphere without any rough stuff and the girls have all looked comfortable.
Is this the case for all Kick Ass titles, or have I just been lucky?
I agree. An occasional shock is ok, but I kind of miss the old days where the characters and the plot made for the hot stuff, not just seeing how much cock can fill a body orifice. There's a famous 5 second part of a scene from "The Devil in Miss Jones" where Georgina Spelvin has one guy in her ass and another in her pussy. She maons "Don't move! I don't want to cum." That was Ms. Spelvin talking to the actors, not the character playing a part. Women should like sex as much as men and the movie shouldn't be afraid to show it!
True - to a point. An example is Zero Tolerance's Virgin Surgeon series. Number 1 was everything I like - no anal, all one-on-one scenes, very little slapping, no hard choking, good male cast, and some very hot scenes.
And in Number 2 - hard anal, anal in nearly every scene, and choking. The only thing that's the same is the title; the content is completely different.
So, even when a person (me) finds something she likes, and is looking forward to the second in a series, there's no guarantee of finding something similar.
Occasionally (about 5% of the time) I do happen upon a scene that I really like (like the BTS/Bonus footage in RLD's Fuck Dolls 2). I've given up trying to find an entire movie that I can really enjoy all the way through. There's too many mediocre scenes, or poor ones, or extreme ones, or painful anal ones, out there for that to ever happen for me.
But I fruitlessly keep looking, a glutton for punishment.
I've pretty much given up, but it's not a big deal for me.
I'm beginning to have my doubts that even DECADES will see the light of day, as I can't find any information on it, and haven't received a reply to my inquiry yet.
Sometimes I think that they, (the directors/producers) have just enough good scenes in their movies to keep women looking for more.......and looking.....I know that when I get a good scene I am all inspired to keep on with the "quest" to find another one. Did I mention that I am a sucker for a really nice, slow, insertion scene? I can watch that all day!!!! I have three in my collection and am worried about wearing them out before I can find more.
You guys always forget something very basic about the porn videos you complaint about. Those videos are made with the raincoaters crowd as their main target. That's why, I will always wonder, what make you think that those porn producers should have females or couples in their minds, when they make those (raincoaters) videos? ...honestly, what do they care? they (females/couples) are not the fan base they are making those videos for, anyway. In my opinion, you are definitely barking to the wrong tree ..Besides, there is plenty of not gagging, no much anal, no dap, no circus acts videos at there. You just have to stop buying from the internet some times and go to a real porshop in the city you live where you will see hundreds and hundreds of not raincoters videos. That's the only way you will be able to see the real picture of what is produced these days in porn. Just because raincoters talk about daps, cumfarting and gapes all the time here in the forum it doesn't mean that's all in porn. There is alot more, just get out of the ghetto. ...And just to add something else, even thou I'm a raincoater I find many of those (anal, slapping, choking) videos boring too. Too much crap at there. But for diferent reasons. ....Too much robot sex, too much sex without any context, girls getting on their knees a little too fast I would say. ..I firmely believe that those so called "circus acts" and even the rough sex, if it's done with some thought and imagination, can be arousing for any porn fan, even if he/she is not into anal/dp. It's not the sex act itself the problem but how is done.
You just have to ask; watch Simon Wolf videos, watch the Teen Try Outs series from DevilsFilms, watch any Hustler video that have Frank Thring as director, watch any of the DDF videos released by New Sensations, watch the stuff that Pierre Woodman makes for Hustler like Manipulations, Brazilian Snake, Arsenic, watch any video from the Pick up Line series (they are like 70), watch West Coast videos like There is Something about Jack, watch the 18 And Nasty series from Evasive Angles, Watch the 18 And Nasty Interracial series (again) from Evasive Angles, wacth BangBros (amateur) videos, watch early 90s videos .....and this is just right out of my head. ...believe me you just have to do your research and you'll find what you are looking for, is all at there. ....The only thing I can't help you with, is to find good porn. For me no anal, no slapping, no choking, no necesarilly translate to good porn neither. All is robot sex, if the girl take it in the ass or not, is still lifeless porn. Too much crap at there my friend. Rough sex or not rough sex.
nope, you just happen to know where to look for your porn. You don't just go for the 5-6 porn companies that are always mention here in the adt forum. That's their mistake. They don't know that there are dozens and dozens of porn companies at there.
i usually only worked for adam/eve, its all quite sensual, but still lot of passion in some scenes i think. Then for example i did a scene with bobbi and toni, it was as hardcore as can be, but there was no chocking or very rough thing, we just really had real sex, pushed our limits because of excesive orgasms, lots of kissing, and i think that is the nicest stuff to watch, when everyone is or looks really horny or into it, more important imo then how many dicks can fit, how hard can they choke, slap and spit, that stuff only looks horny if the girl and the guy are both up for it and really into it, and sometimes you are, and sometimes you arent!!
like yesterday i did a scene in an extremely hot little storage, we both came out scratched, him with fingers around his neck, and me with handmarks on my butt also. the heat really got to us! so i think it all depends on the moment how rough and hot a scene can be. ofcourse certain things are planned, but its the things that are not planned that come out the hottest i think!
I speak from experience when I say I watch a lot of porn from A LOT of different companies and in the end the it's all the same. No one is original because everyone copies everyone else's work and they try to make it their own. Some jack asses just don't get it.They say "don't watch it then" as if that were the solution to the problem. Everywhere you go you find the same shit different company and those who see otherwise are fuckin blind. Let's see some originality people! what ever happened to chemistry and heat between performers??!
I have to say I share alot of your feelings about porn generally, regurgitating trends and gimicks. However, there are lots of exceptions to the rule out there right now...I can think of numerous directors who infuse originality into what they produce.
Joey Silvera always sets up imaginative, sexy vignettes, with kinky, beautiful, authentic sex that never fails to open my mind as a viewer... I think you'll be hard pressed to discover a movie of his that doesn't feature chemistry, heat, passion, etc, between performers.
Jules Jordan has taken the female aesthetic to another stratosphere, incorporating his own personal brand of kink...
Chico Wang has a fever pitched sexual fury to his videos and energy/style to his camera work you won't see anywhere else.
Mike John brings his own rhythm, and vibe to his movies that many have subsequently tried to immitate.
Mason at PXP, Jake Malone at RLD....
...if you want a unique vision of pornography there are plenty of places to turn, in amongst the malaise of unoriginal crap, and it's usually at the very top. I hope at Elegant we're on our way to consistently producing material of this calibre and specialness too, but we know it will take time, and alot of hard work.
Thanks, that's reassuring as I'm expecting another couple of Kick Ass titles on Monday.
Just watched Kung-fu Girls 3 again. Fantastic porn flick. The sex is great, the girls are stunning and the guys are good looking (the ones having sex anyway). There's no rough stuff and the girls don't look spent after each scene. The plot is ridiculous, the 'special FX' are worse than Lost in Space (60's) and the fight scenes look like a mix between Adam West's Batman and Benny Hill. The plot acting is not exactly Oscar material (to put it mildly) but everyone looks like they're having fun.
Faith even finished her guy off herself. His hands were nowhere near his dick and every drop still went in her mouth (no swallowing). How cool is that?
FYI, I've reviewed porn from 27 different studios and watched plenty of others that I haven't reviewed. In fact I've probably seen something from almost every studio and genre out there.Now THAT is cool, and all too rare!
I try to look at lots of different companies without prejudice.... All I ask for is hot sex & good looking performers enjoying themselves; what I too often get is the same bizarre sex acts shuffled into every deck nowadays, so that while there's "something for everyone" it's also true that everyone has to put up with "the same repetitive crap." Which ends up being a distraction. The people who like this repetition of course don't see the problem--much like the people who liked dodgeball in gradeschool or the people who can eat a lot of glue without growing tired of it.
The problem that needs attention is this: there may be more "good" porn out there today than 8 years ago, but it's harder to find because the bin of new releases is always overflowing with 1) niche movies [sometimes good but often incomplete/unbalanced erotica] and 2) generic crap [unfulfilling/pointless purchase/bare minimum]. Lost in this glut are those few movies that still treat porn as an artform and strive for completeness (as opposed to the gimmick or the bare minimum). It's tough to sift through 1000s of movies every year and find the quality titles now. Especially when there's no town crier to draw attention to them since only the latest "sideshow style" gonzo attractions seem to be given the spotlight.
And even though there's supposedly all these niches, this need for notoriety becomes a kind of peer pressure within the industry to include the same over-the-top kinds of acts in every movie. That's where the "sameness" comes from, the drive to make a spectacle of each movie instead of focusing on chemistry. Chemistry doesn't sell anymore. You have to have something people can point at and say "Holy shit! Look at that!" And today's overall porn product is less worthwhile as a result.
There needs to be a spotlight for quality products, not just crazy ones. People looking for quality shouldn't just be ushered back into the feature section. Because then they miss out on Silvera, etc. Good porn needs a town crier too! Chemistry should sell again! The light will shine again!
It is indeed. The reason I mentioned her not wasting a drop was that that IIRC is one of the main reasons cited why the guys jack themselves off. Hey, if a girl's a bit of a cum-dodger but an otherwise fine performer, why not use her in scenes more suited to her tastes?
I just love watching Ashley Long do A2M, but then she doesn't have a problem doing it. Faith didn't even do anal but IMHO that didn't hurt her scene. She does have a purrfect pooper that I'd love to plunge my tongue into, but I'm not going to avoid her scenes if she doesn't want a dick up the windward passage.
Of course 'I Love it Rough' will have rough sex, 'Straight to the A' will feature anal, 'No Cum Dodging Allowed' will have facials and/or swallowing and A2M will have...well A2M. But does nearly every flick from the big gonzo studios have to feature all these things simultaneously?
If I want to watch a cum title or an A2M title, do I really have to watch the girls getting slapped as well?
And if Chico can sell a title called 'No Swallowing Allowed', what about a title for non-anal porn lovers? 'Hershey Highways closed for repairs' perhaps?
The "Decades" movie that Dumblonde mentioned is supposed to be aimed at women, but I wonder too if this will ever come out on DVD. Their website says the the women who own the production company all came from the cable TV industry; could this mean that it will only ever be seen on TV?
I've tried watching features and Vivid comp tapes, and was just bored out of my mind. The pacing of the scenes was too slow, or the storyline didn't make sense, or the acting was laughable. My major complaint, however, is that the men in feature/Vivid type scenes aren't the male performers I'm interested in. They're too laid back and too bland, I suppose because it's the women who are supposed to be the stars of those productions.
I want to see the better male performers, like Michael Stefano, or Rocco Siffredi, or Nacho Vidal, doing scenes without face slapping, or a heavy emphasis on anal, or circus acts, or throat gagging, or name calling, or spitting, and so on, but still with all the energy and moves that these guys have. Is this too much to ask? Apparently it is, though every great once in a while, one of the actors of the above caliber does a scene that has most of what I want, and little of what I don't want.
I'm not asking for someone to go out and make the most innovative, awe-inspiring movie in some wacky/exotic location. The fact of the matter is, most of the scenes I've really liked have been shot on a bed, inside a house, and involved one man and one woman. Nothing fancy about it.
Myk wrote: There has to be a bottom floor to the basement hell of porn, doesn't there?
I wouldn't be so certain that there is a bottom. To have a sneak peak at the donkey scene, go visit the Rocco Siffredi's Official Italian site for his movies (www.roccosiffredi.it). Under video, go to the sixth page, and you'll see the small photo of a man (Rocco?), a woman, and the donkey. The blurb for the film says something to the effect of "the animal perversions of a lover of equitation".
To add to this intrigue, Rocco has also been wearing a cross in some of his more recent films (his Initiations 7, 1st scene). Make's you wonder, is he getting more religious, or more perverted, or both simultaneously, hoping the one will cancel the other out?
Granted our contribution is small, but each month we're shipping more copies than we did the month before. I believe that by the end of our film's product life, we'll have numbers that any gonzo studio would envy; and I know for sure that we're commanding a per unit wholesale price that would make them drool.
Posted - Jun 28 2004 : 8:08PM
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