This message is manily intended for Eric Everhard, to provide some feedback from a customer's perspective.
Eric: You've been a great performer for quite some time and now also a director. However there are a couple of things that I noticed about you, and IMHO, I suggest that you try to improve them
1. You're too loud during sex, it's hard to even hear the girls! Yes, we all know that you love your job and that you're enjoying yourself with the beautiful girls you usually pick. But we're not buying the movies to watch or listen to you. We're buying them to watch the girls getting nailed, and listen to their moans/cries of pleasure. Not hearing the girl enjoying herself takes the movie down several notches! In your latest movies, like "Cum in my Ass, not my Mouth", things have gotten to the point where I can barely hear the girls' voices (or even other guys' voices) over your incessant interjections of "Oh my god", "Waaaow", etc.
2. You get too carried away to care about good camera angles: Back when you were just performing, the directors seemed to use you well and get good shots during the action. But since you started directing, you seem too busy satisfying yourself to care about that too much. The result is haphazard shots/positions (such as sideways anal with the girls legs practically closed) and even some odd, unsexy positions (such as "standing" anals/dps) that seem to do nothing more than show off your muscles. It's hard to think that these shots were even thought up in advance. It almost seems as if you were like: "I'm going to have random sex with this hot chic, and you, cameraman, try to capture what you can. We'll edit it later". What we end up with is things like doggy anal being shot from bad angles (like from the side as opposed to the back) and other positions (like reverse/cowgirl anal) being either non-existent or existing briefly as preludes to the hackneyed DPs.
I distinctly remember loving your scene with Gauge in Unnatural Sex #5 (directed by Jon Dough), and then getting royally disappointed in your first pairing with her as a director and performer in Sweet Cheeks 2.
I know it's hard for a director to focus if he's participating in the action himself, but maybe you just need to either try harder or focus more one role. I can think of 2 names here: Tom Byron: He did this very successfuly for a long time. His best movies often were the ones where he was the main performer as well as the director (e.g. Lord of Asses series) Jules Jordan: His movies were incredible at first but sadly started decreasing in quality once he decided to participate a lot more in the action. I think he is bouncing back these days, though, as he seems to have scaled himself back to "doing just the girls of his dreams", so he can pay a lot more attention to shooting the action properly :-)
Anyways, I hope you find this constructive criticism helpful.
Just so you're not alone Dick, I agree with you,but I'm not going to single out any names though. I rarely even listen to porn anymore. 90% of the time I watch porn on mute and I know of several others that do too. Far too many (of the few guys in porn) make too much noise. I don't even know if the directors notice this, or care since people buy the movies anyway. If I was a director I would definitely encourage the guys to keep it down a bit, but since I'm not one yet, I'll continue to just watch in silence and enjoy.
hey Dick, I totally agree with you on the camera angles issue but don't you dare to tell, boy! ..there are some porn "directors" that believe they can do no wrong. Just stop buying his stuff my friend (like I did) ..I used to like Erik a lot (I still like him as a person) but his directing leaves a lot to be desire since he went to Red Light. To think that there was a time (when in Anabolic) when he used to deem Red Light videos as cookie cutter porn, ..now he is part of the problem.
Here is my main suggestion to Erik. SHAVE OFF THAT BEARD! When I first saw Erik in videos, he was clean shaven and looked so cute and youthful and like a guy I would want to be with. Since he grew that beard my interest in him has deteriorated. Shame really since he is a Canadian boy afterall!
If I'm right the directors own their movies at RedLight (it's the same with EvilAngel). RedLight only distributes them. At Ana/Diabolic they only direct the movies for the company, which is the owner of all the movies the directors made. That's why the "exodus" happened.
I find Erik Everhard to be one of the best upcoming Gen X directors in the Porn Industry. He has already established himself as one of the top-notch male performers.
I don't mind his loudness in his scenes at all. Let the guy enjoy his scenes. I would make loud noises too if I was fucking unbelievable looking babes daily from all over the Planet.
I agree. I would like to see men that show emotion and loudness during sex. If porn is just going to be all women screaming and moaning all the time and men are not allowed to do the same as someone above suggested, don't expect to expand the female market. Women like men who verbalize during sex and who are not just emotionless and bored while doing it. As I have talked about before, Dale Dabone is a good looking guy, but he doesn't show enough expression that he actually wants to be with the woman. I want the guy to show some reaction and not be like a stone.
It's better the guys show emotion during the sex than to just go thru the motions like a lifeless & a mute robot.
Plus I don't hear complaints about the female talent pool enough. Always playing the camera with their ultra-fake & forced 'ooohs' & 'ahhhs', sounding like they're dying with intense passion when a small penis barely penetrates them.
I recently watched a movie where a pretty well-known actress was so over the top with her fake moaning, that she kept it up even when the guy was cumming, like she was experiencing his orgasm. What a turn off.
What's funny is sometimes there's behind-the-scenes footage of the same actresses involved in a little foreplay, and they're practically quiet. Then you know for sure that they're faking it (ladies, you're not fooling this fan).
Canadian Girl wrote:"I agree. I would like to see men that show emotion and loudness during sex. If porn is just going to be all women screaming and moaning all the time and men are not allowed to do the same as someone above suggested, don't expect to expand the female market. Women like men who verbalize during sex and who are not just emotionless and bored while doing it. As I have talked about before, Dale Dabone is a good looking guy, but he doesn't show enough expression that he actually wants to be with the woman. I want the guy to show some reaction and not be like a stone." ____________________________________________________________ I don't think gonzo porn producers care about expanding to a female audience. I'm sure they apprieciate the female that do watch. Females are on the boxcover to attract men. I just hate the see the girls we pay money to see and hear get overshadowed in any way. That's my opionion though, I expect others to have their own as well.
how about besides asking the guy to scream his lungs out, ask for them to do something they never do. To touch the girl with something more than his dick. Like caressing her body, her hair, kissing her neck, sucking her tits. ..My complaint is about camera angles. I have no problem with Erick showing emotion but saying Oh My GOD, Oh My GOD, Oh My GOD, Oh My GOD, Oh My GOD for 1000 times like a broken record during the scene gets old after a while (we have the porn girls for that ) ....I would like to hear Erik screaming: Oh My GOD, I can't believe I'm fucking this beautiful girl today! Oh My GOD, I can't hold my load for much longer! Oh My GOD, (Canadian Girl) is so gorgeous, I can't hold it no more! ...Oh My GOD my viagra didn't work today (just kidding) ...my point is: Add a little salsa homeboy! ..even if one of those rainy days Erik fucks a girl he doesn't like.....Oh My GOD, I'm fucking this dog today! ...would be fun to hear (again, just kidding) ...one thing is showing restrain emotion and another is showing Real emotion. ..Blisful rupture they call it.
I think I've watched about 5 Everhard scenes, and his vocalizing isn't all that bad to me. At least it's not fake, and he doesn't shout out obscenities a mile a minute.
I don't mind if a guy is quiet or vocal, as long as somehow or another they can convey that they want to be in that scene, and don't look bored. There's some other talkers out there - Rocco, Michael Stefano, Nacho occasionally, Manuel Ferrara.
There's only one guy that gets on my nerves and that's Ben English. He is literally shouting in his scenes, usually ordering the actress to "Suck That Cock" or "Grind on That Cock" and so on. On top of this, he has this habit of yelling out "Good Girl" like the actress is a dog who just fetched a stick and brought it right back to him . I know he's a popular guy, and maybe he's different when the camera isn't running, but I only know what I see on the DVD's I've watched.
I sort of like the beard, but hopefully it's not scratchy, that's would be a real pain for any actress that works with him. Whenever I see EE, I think one thing - he looks like an NHL hockey player.
Speaking of scratchy beards, in the second "Pussy is not Enough" from PXP, in the behind the scenes, Manuel Ferrara is kissing and licking Vicky Vette just before the scene starts. She pushes him away, and says, "Buddy, you need a shave." Ferrara looks shocked , like he never heard this before, like he doesn't know what he should do about it.
I don't think that Erik's movies @ RLD are bad. On the contrary, I think they're the best material being released by the company these days. I do, however, agree that it's best to just move on if you're not happy with his product. Let performers be who they are, including their "incessant interjections", and directors create what they want. If you're not happy with what you see, there are 10-15 others waiting in the wings to earn your porn dollar. It's cool to have options & variety.
The only complaint I have about Erik's movies are the constant jerky & wavy camera movements. Fortunately, for me, he usually includes one scene in his movies that eases up on that style & remains more focused through out the scene. Those scenes, usually one per film, could be a result of Erik's growing base of female fans who often prefer seeing a more human, natural & realistic interaction between him and the female performer.
Personally, I LOVE Erik's facial hair. My favorite was the look he had during the late 2001 - early 2002 time period of releases. He had a full goatee with longer (almost shoulder length) hair. What an eye catcher! These days he keeps his hair much shorter & that gold chain he often wears in his scenes ... I love that too. I'm also the only woman I know who likes that scratchy feeling from a man's beard, especially between my thighs. With the right length it will send an almost stinging feeling through out my body. In a good way I might add! It's the best.
Lori
PS: I think Ben English has an erotic English accent. It doesn't really matter to me what he's saying to the female. I find his voice really sexy.
Yeah - the goatee. I remember seeing a picture of Everhard with one, and thought it looked great. He should grow it back again. (You know, I think we ladies are getting as picky about the way the porn guys look, as some of the male fans are about the way actresses look).
I think that gold chain has a Canadian maple leaf pendant on it. At first I thought it was a marijuana leaf emblem.
The females have descended upon this thread in support of Erik Everhard's annoying "passion".
I agree with the poster who mentioned that the majority of gonzo viewers are male, so I'd say that most of us don't want the men be that loud. Especially if it makes the girls lower their voice or just give up and remain silent. :-)
Someone also mentiond Stefano as a vocal performer. I have suffered his performances too. And as one person here pointed out: The most annoying thing is when the guys sound like a broken record. Moans and groans don't typically get perceived as repetitive. But Stefano's "Oh my good... you're nasty... you're nasty" sure as hell is. And so is Erik's "Oh my god... Waaaoow ... Waaoow... Oh my god".
Someone suggested that I could just avoid the guy. Well I have been trying to do just that by avoiding any movies he directs. But if only he would stick to his own movies, that solution would work.
Instead, he ruins other people's movies too :-). OK, so I can fast-forward those scenes he ruins, but I really get pissed off when I buy a movie for a certain girl I like only to find that she does the scene with Erik! And then I'm like "Oh my god... I want my money back but ADE won't let me return this" :-(
You know why we ladies don't mind the guys vocalizing - cause that's how men in real life are. I don't think I've ever had sex with a guy who was totally silent through the whole thing. I've had a guy once blurt out that he loved me, the first time we slept together, and we hardly knew each other. Believe me, men when they're aroused can say the darndest things. And my ex-husband - he was a screamer when he came, something he just couldn't help, the same way Nacho Vidal is when he climaxes (which I just love!).
Say, Mr. Johnson, the next time you're in bed with a lady, tape yourself. You'll be amazed what you'll learn. Or just ask your lady to tell you whatever you might have said.
I think a lot of women have posted on this thread because Everhard is one of the younger porn guys, is good looking, and has got to be the most physically-fit* guy working in movies. A killer combination, so what if he's a little on the vocal side.
*What does he have, like 2% body fat? I bet he even knows.
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Posted - Mar 26 2004 : 11:13AM
Yes, but how many male viewers would like to watch porn with their girlfriends? Guys like Erik make that more of an option. The market may be male-dominated, but there's a huge untapped market of women.
That aside, you are going to get a better performance if the girl is into the guy. Erik being nice, young, attractive, and really into the girls he's screwing certainly helps the girls to be into him.
Erik truly is a great guy and he's on top of the world right now. He deserves all his success and more, and it's great that chicks dig his "vocal" style -- but you know what I do?
<<MUTE>>
SHADDAP, Hateplow! The neighbors are gonna think I'm the loudmouth! As a fellow man with facial hair, I say it looks damn good. If I worked out for about ten years, we could be twins.
This is the truth from what I've seen. My girlfriend is not to big on gonzo in general but she will watch if ol' Easy E is in it. And to be honest, he's my second favorite male performer and is now up there on my directors list. I'll admit that the first few times I saw him in a scene I thought he was annoying as all Hell. Then, after watching more scenes and rewatching some, I saw that it seems to stem from his genuine enjoyment of what he's doing and only adds to his perfomrance.
I watch porn for the girls. However, I also watch to see the girls fucked great and honestly, to learn something. I can count on Rocco, Erik Everhard, Brandon Iron, Nacho Vidal, Mark Davis, Lexington Steele, Manuel Ferrera, and Micheal Stefano to do this.
So if it means anything, there's now a Heterosexual male defending and enjoying Erik Everhard's vocalizations during sex.
Sorry i haven't been able to reply,but me and mike john are shooting in prague at the moment with steve holmes and i was unable to get to the internet just yet. As is always the case you can't please everyone all of the time, I do what i do because it's what is natural for me, if i had to conciously think that i had to shut up and be quiet every scene to please some people i don't think i would be able to give my all in my scenes. Luckily there is so much quality porn out there that all consumers have the choice as to where they want to spend their hard earned dollars, whether it be on videos of mine or other quality productions out there. I'm grateful for all of my fans that do watch me and those that don't have other great performers such as steve, manuel, stefano, lex and countless others that they can enjoy. Porno is now better than ever.
PS. yes that is a canadian maple leaf Erik Everhard
hey Dick, I found a video where Erik doesn't go Oh My GOD! Oh My GOD! Oh My GOD! Oh My GOD! a 1000 times ....instead he goes OH My Lord! Oh My Lord! Oh My Lord! ...maybe this will do it for you
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Posted - Mar 26 2004 : 2:16PM
Erik,
Don't cut down the passion -- that is what makes your videos good. Maybe, the editor can splice in some prerecorded monologue of you reading Shakespear so that the watcher can set audio to "Oh My God" or to alternate audio of "To Be or Not To Be." I can imageine Erik saying, "To Be or Not To Be," just before an insertion.
You've suffered through some Stefano scenes - you poor man, it must have felt like purgatory. You may be surprised, but I feel he does some of the best erotic dirty talk out there , because he's not obscene with it, doesn't call the women whores or sluts, and isn't shouting it out at the top of his lungs.
If quiet is what you want, then look for scenes with Mark Wood or Kurt Lockwood, these guys don't say much. You'll probably like some of the stuff they do at Zero Tolerance, like in "Wet Dreams Cum True", where they purposely focus the camera away from the guys' faces.
Then again, there's always the pillow treatment. My ex-husband the screamer told me about a former girlfriend he had, who didn't like his orgasmic screaming. So, at the crucial moment, she would take a pillow and stuff it in his face, to muffle his outbursts. Apparently he didn't mind, but I thought it was silly.
To EE: Don't listen to these guys, what do they know . But for us ladies, please grow the goatee back, it looked good.
To Renee: Yes, I suffered Stefano repetitiveness in his "Buttfaced" series. But actually, it seems that he's matured enough to notice what he was doing and knock it off. I'm OK as long as he doesn't raise his voice over the girls and doesn't sound like a broken record. He seems fine in "Full Anal Access #2" for example.
To Erik: Yes, you can't please everybody. But, for Pete's sake, whenever you're not starring in your own movie (i.e. you're not the director), please try to tone things down a little to cater for the guys who prefer to hear the girls :-)
I've noticed in many of Erik's movies that he really does try to diversify some of the scenes & provide a mix of things that different fans want to see. This is his best quality as a director but I think, in fact, that his scenes would suffer if he limited his vocal outbursts rather than improving them. Erik is one of the most popular (and most featured) male performers in the business so obviously there are many viewers (female & male) who appreciate his talent & naturalism as a performer. If you buy a title from RLD with his name on the cover, whether he directs it or not, you can be assured that he is going to be in at least two or three scenes.
I agree that Wendi Knight titles from Zero Tolerance could be just what you're looking for. William H. is another director whose films might appeal more to your taste. It's also important to keep in mind that, despite the credits on the boxcover, in gonzo it's the person behind the camera who is the real director. Let's face it. No amount of direction or editing can save a bad camera job.
Lori
PS: I'll suffer (with ecstasy) through a Michael Stefano performance anytime! He seems to almost effortlessly send his female partners into a frenzy of sexual excitement. If you happen to catch his stuff from Platinum he also has, in my opinion, incredible camera & editing skills.
I know this thread isn't about Michael Stefano, but if anyone from PXP is reading this -
He has got to upgrade himself in the underwear department. He's still wearing Hanes briefs (you can read the logo on the waistband). It's just so WalMart. Now that he's AVN Male Performer of the Year, he should move up to Calvin Klein's (Nacho wears them) or better yet, Dolce & Gabbana black bikini briefs. That's what Rocco wears, so what if they're $50 a piece. I can't help it, I like seeing a well-dressed man.
Back to Stefano the performer: When he pairs himself with a woman who he is especially attracted to, like Dani Woodward or Jamie Brooks, he is on Fire.
Problem is, I prefer the more hardcore stuff that RLD does. I think I've seen the name Wendi Knight on tame-looking movies that I avoided. So now my problems is that, as you said, when I get an RLD movie (or from another studio), Erik Everhard ruins 2-3 of its scenes for me :-(
Erik: I'll make you a deal -- Stay out of Jonni Darkko's and Tom Byron's movies and I'll try to stick to those and stop complaining about you ;-)
I have to agree with what was said in the original post. And I think it misses the point to simply say "if you don't like it, buy other stuff." The problem is that people generally like Eric Everhrad and want to watch the girls in his movies but if he'd only get rid of that one really annoying aspect, it would be so much better. So it's a dissappointment having to turn to other stuff for that reason. And I agree that it's ok for guys to be enthusiastic, but not to that point that they dominate the scene.
but when you have a large number of fans who like you as a performer and buy your movies with every chance its also redundant to curb your own style; inclucing the enthusiasm when you have a loyal viewer base . i think everhard is over the top as a porn stud but thats why i like him . any less and iw ould be unhappy. i also think its true that not each sequence in a movie have to be the same. its better to have a mix. i think its very much the right point to say 'move on' before requesting that a performer change his or her style. if you don't like a performer's style of expressing himself its very much appropriate to 'move on'.
I bet if you did run a poll, most male porn fans would want the porn actors to be quiet or nearly silent during a scene, I suppose because the fans want to imagine that they are up there in place of the actor, like it was a fantasy.
However, the very real men that do these jobs are flesh and blood, and for them to have made it through the obstacle course that it takes to get where they are now in the porn industry, they have to be pretty hyper-sexed to begin with, more than the average man. I suspect that along with this higher-than-average sex drive comes a strong personality, one that it would be difficult to tame temporarily for the 2 hour filming of a sex scene.
Plus, I think that this is how Mother Nature intended men to be when they are aroused, otherwise, why would it be so common? You may think this is strange, but I look for scenes where the guy is so aroused, that he's practically talking nonsense, usually repeating the same thing over and over again. And best of all is when the guy has a really strong orgasm, and right before that when he's trying to talk, his voice breaks. (by the way, I could care less about cum shots).
We women are already cheated out of the one the best treats for us when we watch a porn movie, i.e., watching a man's face when he's cumming. Directors don't show this because male fans are totally against this, though I'm not certain why they feel so strongly about it. The best that we women have is to hear the man when he's climaxing, and now you guys want that to disappear, too.
It is pointless trying to avoid scenes with these porn actors, because they are in so many movies. It's like trying to avoid scenes with anal sex nowadays, nearly impossible. Probably the best you can do is turn the volume down, since most of the actresses are so quiet anyway, you're not going to miss much on that score. Half of the actresses who make any sounds are just doing fake moans or calling themselves filthy whores, so not much to be missed there either.
Dick I share your pain but,I agree with Renee that there is no way to avoid these guys. I didn't want to mention names earlier in this thread,but I tried my best to steer clear of scenes with Eric Everhard, Mark Davis and Wesley Pipes because they got on my nevres so much. I had success avoiding Wesley but Eric and Mark are used so much with so many hot chicks I couldn't. It sucks but the mute button is the only answer. I do believe if guys in porn tried to please everybody somebody would always be pissed,because everybody wants something different.
-I'm in a state of nirvana!...I think my pills are working.
It's definitely not what "mother nature" intended for porn movies. Plus it is NOT common to begin with. Only a handful of guys like Erik Everhard do it, and make it appear commonplace only because they're in so many movies.If directors want to grant your wish, maybe they can have an "alternate angle climax recap" with focus on the males.
Of course males are against it because we didn't buy the movie to see the guy enjoying himself. We bought it to see the hot chick getting screwed and fantasize about that :-D
And we're not saying the guys shouldn't be vocal while climaxing. But they should pipe down during the sex act itself so we can hear the girls we bought the DVD for.
I think most of the actresses are not quiet. You're probably just tuning out :-). I know that even actresses can sound like a broken record, and I'm really annoyed by those who do, because the whole thing seems so contrived. "Fake" moans don't bother me, because this is acting anyways, so I do expect to hear those whether real or contrived. The trick is for the girl to vary between moans and some sexy talk, which makes it easy to suspend disbelief and for the moment imagine she's really enjoy it (which some girls really do anyways). And of course you must not overdo it. (E.g. continuing to moan in the same exact way while the guy is doing the cumshot ;-)
But when a guy gets so vocal AND repeats himself, it's just unbearable.
When I mentioned Mother Nature, I was basing my statement on my own real life experiences with all the men I've been with (let say there have been more than 3, less than 15). I think it is common for men to be at least somewhat vocal when they are aroused. It's understandable that you yourself don't have any way of judging this because you, unlike the 5 women who have posted to this thread, don't have sex with men. What may appear to be strange to you is more than commonplace to us females. And all 5 women (six if you include Evil Batman's girlfriend) like Everhard just the way he is, except Canadian girl who wants him cleanshaven, but that's another topic entirely.
Plus, we women know, it's useless to expect a guy to change his ways. Better to just accept him as he is, vocalizations and all. That's a good reason, I suspect, that you rarely see posts on this board from women saying they want to see a guy do this, or stop doing that, etc (except for some of the more extreme rough sex stuff).
My best lover ever was a Mr. Vocal, and he sounded like a wounded bull when he came (he was from Wisconsin, America's Dairyland, plus he was a Taurus). I'm certain this is why I like seeing (hearing) the porn actors who are on the loud side.
P.S. Male rabbits, when they climax, let out a squeal. See, it is what Mother Nature intended!
I absolutely agree with Renee on this topic. At least from my personal experience, most of the guys I've been with have been very vocal in expressing his sexual excitement & emotions. This is something I enjoy a lot as do probably many of the female performers who work with Erik Everhard & others. While it's true that many other male performers aren't as vocal as him, not many of them are as good as him either.
I don't really care about hearing the guy while he's climaxing because I can't see his face anyway so it kind of defeats the purpose. I prefer hearing his voice during the sex. I do like the idea of a separate, alternative angle during the climax so you could see the guy's face but it certainly would not be a must. As long as I can see him during some of the sex I'm a satisfied viewer.
Just to re-aquaint myself with Mr. Everhard's style, I re-watched his scene in Brandon Iron's I love it Rough 2. It's what I remembered, for 80-90% of the scene, Everhard is not that loud, and for the entire scene, he is never louder than the woman he's with, named Sarah O'Neal (I think she's Czech). Sure, you can't help noticing him, because he's such an energetic performer, but it's not like he's screaming the entire time, either. He didn't even yell out when Sarah bit him on the finger.
I'm glad another woman piped in with her opinion about the guys she's slept with; it is common for guys to be vocal in bed, it's not just the better known porn actors who are like this.
I still contend, this is how Mother Nature - or 2 million years of human evolution - has meant men to be. There's no use trying to change things at this point. Either search out porn guys who are more naturally quiet, or wait another 2 million years.
Erik Everhard @ AEBN
Posted - Mar 23 2004 : 5:14PM
