I was just wondering if there is some formal training going on in the porn-industry for potential porn stars? Because many ladies might be willing to perform in porn movies. And they might be attractive enough to do it. But they might not be that good at performing sex-acts. Is it up to the lady to practice and prepare on her own, and re-invent the wheel so to say? Or can she ask for and get training and practice with experienced porn performers, before she goes on to perform in a porn film? In almost every type of work, people usually get some education, training, and practice before they do the work. And I'm just wondering if it's like that in porn work too? Many sex-acts in porn aren't that easy to perform for people who have never done them before. Anal sex is one of them. Deep-throating is another. Double-anals and double-vaginals are even more difficult to do. If people don't need to re-invent the wheel every time so to say, but learn from experienced people instead, then the quality of porn would probably improve a lot.
i'm not sure what you mean with the above sentence, but there is no preparation necessary apart from the mental part (there will be a camera, this will be recorded, there will be people on set etc etc). everyone knows how to have sex- and if you're a woman and you know how to spread your legs apart, you're already 2 steps ahead of the guys. it's that simple- though a degree in biology might also help ;)
i'm not sure what you mean with the above sentence, but there is no preparation necessary apart from the mental part (there will be a camera, this will be recorded, there will be people on set etc etc). everyone knows how to have sex- and if you're a woman and you know how to spread your legs apart, you're already 2 steps ahead of the guys. it's that simple- though a degree in biology might also help ;)
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I agree that routine sex doesn't require any special training or experience. But porn sex often isn't routine. Porn stars often perform various sex-stunts, such as gaping their asses, or having anal sex, or doing double-penetration. People who perform stunts can easily get injured or not perform their stunts well, when they don't have any training or experience. And I would imagine that this is true in performing sex-stunts too.
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Posted - Feb 28 2012 : 12:17PM
This is actually an unusual and interesting thread. I would say it would be a huge insult to anyone that they need to be trained so no one will touch the subject in a studio. In reality, not everyone can perform equally and some would benefit from instruction. How many 18 or 19 year-old women are skilled in what they do, regardless of their profession? Take for instance the BJ, guys can tell you some women are exceptional in performing it while others are downright awful. Every guy in society moreover can relate to it. IMO, it is a training issue but no one will touch the issue. So to answer the OP question, I would guess no. If someone knows of such training I'd like to hear it.
Interesting thread. I think in US porn there is no training, or standards, or expectations. If the woman has sexy/interesting appearance attributes, the main requirement has been met, and it is the job of the male co-star and director to elicit a passable scene out of her. There is a wide variety of skills and abilities among US female porn performers. Some are poor performers, most are below-average to average performers, a few are outstanding performers. I'm judging "performance" in terms of oral, vaginal, and anal capabilities. From rearding various viewers commentary on ADT, it seems that many guys prefer this type of untrained environment because makes a better environment for "pushing the girl to/beyond her limit" which I gather is a desirable thing among many fans. These are the type of fans who say euro-porn is boring; I suspect the boredom is from the girls being too compliant and unfazed. OTOH Brazilian women and Eastern European women all seem to be accomplished in vaginal and anal sex. Huge cocks and DP is no problem; they might struggle a little bit at first but eventually will be handling balls-deep for as long as the pornguys can hold out. Maybe it is training, or maybe their selection criteria for getting into porn are just different. Oral sex is lackluster the world over. If there are limited resources for training, I'd say the emphasis should be oral sex. A girl can become more accomplished vaginally/anal with practice without a teacher. But good oral technique requires more attention and does not happen naturally.
I have been thinking about that for a long time, so I studied the guys for a month, to see the difference between the guys who were good and the usual porn guys, it is a matter of positioning, a month ago I was watching a James Dean scene, (not to pick on him) but I saw his feet were too close together, he had his hands resting on the girl and he had his heels on the ground instead of his feet, and those things make a huge difference, it hit me at no one really watches the guys and there is no where for them to go for training, they can only self teach and research and I am willing to bet none of them do it.
Eventually, practice makes perfect for everybody, if they stick around long enough to get plenty of practice. But this kind of learning from experience by trial and error is a very long and an imperfect process. It would go a lot faster and better if experienced porn performers train and give some practice for new porn performers, who are just starting out and aren't that good at it. Learning from other people's experience is a lot faster and better than learning by trial and error from your mistakes. And this is true in any kind of learning, including learning to do difficult sex-stunts for porn movies. Edited by - Dan on 2/29/2012 2:39:02 AM
I think in most jobs practice makes perfect, but there is no quality control in porn, and I will pick on Sean Micheals, he has done 1000's of scenes, and everytime I see one, it looks like someone having sex for the first time, when I watch a wicked scene I think the men are just lazy, or the girls hate what they are doing so the guys don't put any effort into it, but now I think they just don't know any better, and no one tells them anything, I watched the Proxy Paige and Tj Cummings shoot for team skeet, and the India Summer Shane Diesal shoot for she only takes diesal, my picks for the best scenes, then I watched a wicked film, and compared those guys to Tj and Shane, in what they did and how they positioned themselves, that's when I saw the difference. There is no reason for any of the guys working now to take the time to improve their craft
A degree in sex entertainment would make sense to have, or at least a diploma. People with education usually do better than those who have no education at all relevant to their work. There is even a porn series called 'Anal University'. Students at such a university can make amateur porn movies and sell them to pay for their tuition.
I know Seymore Butts had girls watch some oral videos so the could copy them. I hear Tammi Anne and one other girl saying this in backround once, may have been the big electronics show though
I suppose, watching porn movies is one way new porn-stars can learn how to do various sex acts. But this kind of thing usually isn't enough. People need physical practice to become good at any kind of physical action. When ordinary people watch anal porn movies and then try to do it like that at home. Then they usually don't succeed at it very well. Because this kind of thing takes some experimenting and practice, before people become good at it. I think more women in porn might be willing to go anal with the horny guys, if they could learn it at their own leisure with experienced people, instead of being expected to perform well right away on film. This is too much pressure to do something for the first time and expect to do it well.
I watched and studied Shane Diesal and tj Cummings to use in my own sex life, I found I couldn't do it alone, but one night I hooked up with a girl her knew what she was doing and everything clicked, she put herself in the perfect position at the edge of the bed and I was able to do everything I studied, in a movie, if one person knows what they are doing, they should be able to stop, and get in the perfect position to give use a scene with passion and energy, the problem is the viewers don't demand it and the performers don't care
Or, if not a diploma, a professional certificate through your local community college. But then, the fucking state will probably insist on state licensing exams.
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Posted - Mar 1 2012 : 2:34PM
Some acting classes are needed for girls too. Those fake moans are awful. I hate to see when they try to pretend to like anal while their facial expression is all about 'when will it end already?'
IMO the director should be that "one person who knows what they are doing". Isn't it the director's job to direct the action and coach/instruct the performs about what to do and how to do it? As far as viewers demanding it, there is no forum by which we can demand. A scene either is good or it's not. Take it or leave it. One good thing about the internet is it makes it harder for them to dupe us into wasting money on porn which isn't done right.
The directors don't care about action, the directors care about getting the right shot, they don't understand that if the action is bad it doesn't matter how good the camera work is, I accidentally bought a pov movie, to watch Faye Reagan, the scene was just as horrible as I thought it would be, but on the behind the scenes, Faye laid the camera down on the dresser and they went at it, that scene in the dark was 100 times better than what they shot for dvd. There is no one who cares about real quality, because everyone gets paid whether they but in an real effort or don't
^I hear ya. LOL a piece of furniture does a better job than a live human cameraperson. Anyway I still say it is the director's job to make the scene turn out good. They are supposed to direct the action AND shoot the action. But, as has been said, there is no quality control. Nobody cares, except the customer.
There are acting schools for mainstream type of movies. And porn-movies are just a specialized branch of movies that require special acting skills. All acting schools teach how to make the acting look like real, sincere, and genuine behavior. And this is exactly what porn fans crave to see too. They want to see real-looking sex. Porn actresses who appear more real, more sincere, and more genuine in their sex scenes are bound to become more popular among porn fans. And sooner or later, other asspiring porn actresses might want to learn from those who had good success in porn. If there isn't going to be any porn school. Then private tutoring might be the way some porn actresses will learn to be more real and genuine in their porn scenes. Even porn studios might want to pay for such private lessons in porn acting for some of their more attractive porn actresses.
^ I don't doubt that porn would be better if the performers were more highly trained. I still don't think it will happen: 1) Without training a young actor or actress has almost zero chance of landing a job as a dancing banana in a 30-second commercial for underwear. A hot chick who's willing to spread her legs for the camera can make a living in porn. (Even with her fame, Rachel Oberlin needs Bree Olson's bankroll to pay for rent and acting classes as she tries to switch to legitimate TV and movies. Bree just had to post a couple of pictures on the internet to get her start.) 2) Because it's so difficult to make a living as an actor, there are a lot of highly-trained people who never made it, but have a gift for teaching. Anyone who was willing to do porn, and had both the performance and teaching skills needed to mentor young porn star wannabes, could probably make more money doing porn. 3) There is a tradition of training legitimate performers that goes back centuries, and modern teachers rely on that tradition. There is no (formal) tradition for training porn stars, so even the most gifted teacher would need to invent the wheel to get things rolling.
Success in porn depends more on the lady's looks than on her acting abilities. Acting abilities are just a bonus that would make a popular attractive lady even more popular among the porn fans. Older porn actresses often leave the porn business, because they can't compete in terms of looks with younger and more attractive porn stars. But older porn actresses still have something to offer in terms of training and teaching the new porn actresses. And I think that porn would be better, if there is some transfer of experience and knowledge from older to the younger generation of porn stars.
I agree with Dan, there are a lot of plain, or not attractive amateurs that are great at sex, some have great bodys, will fuck anyone, any age, and very very nasty.. This is what some like, but the pro paying industry wants pretty, or gorgeous, and young. If you look at older posts here in these forums you can see the viewers have raised the bar a lot over the years. I know some of the "porn interviews" are staged, but I think that someone should ask if the girls if they know anything, or a bf taught them how to suck.
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Posted - Mar 3 2012 : 9:30PM
^^^ With all those Nina Harley instructional videos out there, obviously they think somebody needs training. An 18 year old girl who wants to get into porn might be a good target for those videos.