Two issues I have with Sasha Grey

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Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 11:52PM I know this will probably set off a little thunderstorm among all her fans, but I have a couple of issues with Sasha Grey: (1) Wouldn't just a little bit of sun make this girl a whole lot sexier? She's a pretty girl, but her complexion is that of Morticia Adams. (2) Will this girl ever appear in a scene that doesn't turn my stomach. I just rented "Fuck Slaves." I didn't know the premise of the movie. I was pretty much renting it to see Sasha. Anyway, she drank something that squirted out of another girl's butt. She also licked a guy's butt and licked ejaculate off a floor. If she's trying to be the poster child for extreme and bizarre sex, then that's cool I suppose. But, where does it end? What won't she eat, for instance? I know she has her fans and none of them should take this as a personal affront. I just don't find these two things very sexy about Sasha Grey. Consequently, when I hear talk about her being the next "it girl," I wonder what the world is coming to. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 11:57PM It's not what it's coming to, it's where we're going. Hell in a hand basket, baby. You know it, I know it...the families of those poor girls in Amish Country, Pennsylvania know it. If you're looking for a tame Sasha scene, however, look to Hustler's Barely Legal 62. Vanilla as can be and I can see why Sasha is so well-liked. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:01AM I heard that Sasha is holding off on tanning as she needs to "save" something for a later phase of her career. Pale girls who keep that "tanning" card up their sleeve can ask for a lot more money when they surrender their "on camera" tanning cherry for the first time. You know how porn producers are, with their niches. Edited by - skronker on 10/3/2006 12:05:28 AM [Link]
wolf69 Member My compass is pointing West. 830 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:03AM What will they ("they" is to be read "Skronker") think of next? [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:10AM I dunno, but that was goddam beautiful!! wolf69 wrote: What will they ("they" is to be read "Skronker") think of next? Click to expand Does the "cleaner, kinder, gentler" porn aspect coming from this Midtown character surprise anyone? Hey, I'm all for "No Holes Barred"!! It's their orafices, let'em do what they want with them. If you want to see the tame stuff, sacrafice yourself and/or loved ones for the cause. It's clearly her sexuality at stake and/or being filmed, just like all those who scream "IR dodger", the girls are free to use, abuse & get slammed in anyway they deem profitable...or just plain fun!! Oh yeah, I agree with CJ!! We're all going to hell in a handbasket. I'm waiting to see some Amish porn, too! Remember, they bring their own horse (w/ cart) to the set...just think of the possibilities!! Edited by - Eric381 on 10/3/2006 12:12:09 AM [Link]

Twizted6 Senior Member Good & Evil is merely a matter of perspective, I perfer to call myself... Determined 1229 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:20AM Midtown, There is no sunshine in the darkside. We're waiting for you. It's only a matter of time... Edited by - Twizted6 on 10/3/2006 12:23:09 AM [Link]
bauer024 Senior Member It is what it is 1345 Posts 12/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:32AM midtown to each there own all i would say is dont like her work dont watch it man thats all i like the way she is and the nasty side to her is just that ....... Dan [Link]
Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:38AM I saw a girl at the mall wearing a shirt that said "Pale is the new tan." and I thought "Cool! After all these years I can be in style!" Maybe Sasha and Charlotte feel the same way. Besides, tanning is not very good for the health of your skin. There is plenty of room for pale people in porn. Edited by - Walter on 10/3/2006 11:12:39 AM [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:45AM I want Bella tanned with black hair again, while we're on the subject. Pale, blonde Bella brings me (and him) down. [Link]
imak Adult Film Legend 3345 Posts 2/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:46AM she has a look I dig [Link]
10000 days Deactivated User Keep on trolling. What a bullshit! Im fucking unstoppable now ... 717 Posts 3/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:47AM She's a cute chick for sure, but seems to be a bit "extreme" for my tastes. Edited by - 10000 days on 10/3/2006 12:49:05 AM [Link]
ArinsystmaticX Deactivated User 1968 Posts 12/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 1:12AM Well Sasha being so extreme is exactly the reason why fans like me Like her, so I suggest not watching her scenes if you can't stomach em? Just like I don't watch implanted, condom only vanilla scenes....but I don't go around bashing girls who do them. [Link]
major sharp Deactivated User 246 Posts 2/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 2:42AM If not like watching some one lick stuff of the floor and a dudes ass is vanilla than make my porn vanilla baby ! [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 2:50AM I just think the line needs to be drawn somewhere. If I had a sister or a daughter who went into porn, I would be concerned about the harm others might do to her. But, if I had a sister or a daughter who went into the kind of porn Sasha Grey is doing, my concern would be for the harm she is doing to herself. A lot is talked about regarding the government's efforts to crack down on porn. But, it's not the government people in porn have to fear so much as the extremes to which this industry is headed. Aside from alienating a lot of fans of beautiful women, this kind of stuff is just giving lawmakers fuel to set fire to the entire industry. I'm saying this not to come across as moralistic. The slapping, the simulated bondage/torture scenes, the degradation, the extremeness of a lot of today's porn is just way too out there to be acceptable under even a fairly liberal community standard. It appears as though much of today's porn is entirely too influenced by men who hate women. I feel sorry for the women (like Sasha) who are buying into that hate. And, I feel sorry for the industry as a whole that will ultimately pay the price. [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 3:53AM Im not a big fan of those that try and abuse the girls into doing more extreme stuff but it also works the other way. you're right the line must be drawn somewhere and it can only be drawn by the girl who is making the movies if you don't like where that has taken them just move on to another girl. [Link]

ArinsystmaticX Deactivated User 1968 Posts 12/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 6:05AM Ever wondered a girl might just be into extreme acts herself? I mean there isn't much difference between a male and a female mind, nor it's capabilities. If guys can like this sort of stuff, then there's ought to be some girls who do as well, right? So in other words you're ok with violence and gun culture in the America, where owning and using a gun is widely cherished in movies and TV, and where kids walk into their schools and start shooting up people on a fairly regular basis. I for one, would rather stop that from being watch, then any sort of porn which is being shot with the permission of ALL individual involved, who are also paid handsomely for it. But hey, that's just me talking. Long live the NRA!! [Link]
john thomas Deactivated User 1168 Posts 6/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 6:18AM Sasha belongs to the night. Thus is she pale. I'm no particular fan of rough or degrading sex (on screen anyway) but no one is forcing Sasha to do these scenes. In fact, she has made clear on this board that she would like to go further than she can; that the limits she is forced to operate in, both legal and practical, are ones she would like to go beyond. She is not "buying in to hate", she is making an exploration of herself. Everybody's sexuality has it's dark corners. You can hide from those corners if you want, but if you do you will find, in the end, that the monsters they hide reach out to drag you in. Better, healthier to do what Sasha does and not be afraid to shine a light into those corners and see what crouches there. And, though there are doubtless some misogynists in porn, the idea that Jake Malone and Manuel Ferrara can be counted among them is, frankly, laughable. Both men clearly love and respect women. That doesn't stop them (quite the reverse indeed) from playing out roles and situations that allow some illumination into those darker corners of the vast mansion of human sexual experience, into the heart of the terrible beauty of human desire. [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 11:29AM ArinsystmaticX wrote: So in other words you're ok with violence and gun culture in the America, where owning and using a gun is widely cherished in movies and TV, and where kids walk into their schools and start shooting up people on a fairly regular basis. Click to expand I never advocated violence or guns. Where are you getting that from? I find violence abhorrent, regardless of whether it's delivered with a bullet or the smack of a hand. Furthermore, I am opposed to depictions of violence which - I strongly believe - only serve to plant the seeds that such behavior is acceptable. john thomas wrote: Everybody's sexuality has it's dark corners. You can hide from those corners if you want, but if you do you will find, in the end, that the monsters they hide reach out to drag you in. Click to expand I think it's really interesting that you used the word "monsters." Yes, there are "monsters" among us, as Mark Foley has recently shown us. I'm not one of them. Are you? Edited by - Midtown on 10/3/2006 11:37:10 AM [Link]
Drop a load Senior Member My leg hurts 1098 Posts 11/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 11:58AM I have no issues with her. I'm liking what I seen so far. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 1:24PM Sounds to me as if the original poster has no sense of adventure. As a few have already noted, "vanilla sex or no sex" comes to mind after each diatribe. john thomas wrote: She is not "buying in to hate", she is making an exploration of herself. Click to expand Just like the ying & yang...good & bad, etc. There should be a balance in life. There should be no world clean of "sin" and anything less would be absolutely BORING! To say that "any type of violence is unacceptable" is just vanilla, when in fact violence is often the only answer to a stubborn problem, IMO. Edited by - Eric381 on 10/3/2006 1:27:37 PM [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 2:30PM Eric381 wrote: Sounds to me as if the original poster has no sense of adventure. As a few have already noted, "vanilla sex or no sex" comes to mind after each diatribe. Click to expand By "vanilla sex," I assume you are referring to sex between an attractive man and woman in which both appear to be enjoying themselves. By "adventure," it appears you are referring to the kind of sex where a leashed woman is dragged around on her hands and knees, slapped across the face with shocking force and then sodomized. I agree that such sex is "adventurous" in that - in the real world - it is likely to see the attacker put in prison. With regard to the female actor's consent or non-consent to such a scene, I could care less. This is not about the standard to which she holds herself, but about the standard to which a society holds itself. This recent fascination in porn with (1) violence towards women, (2) degradation of women, (3) simulations of bondage/torture/rape of women is at best ill intentioned and at worst the product of criminal intent. Get off on it while you can, if this is the junk you're into, because it won't last for long. Whether it's the Feds who crack down or a pack of lawyers in this very litigious nation of ours, porn producers and maybe even porn viewers will eventually be criminally or civilly held accountable. When that day comes though, you had better have a better defense than "where is your sense of adventure?" Edited by - Midtown on 10/3/2006 2:32:33 PM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 2:42PM Well, Midtown ... two young women who have willingly participated in quite a bit of extreme fare -- Lorelei Lee and Adrianna Nicole – will be interviewed on ADT's [invalid URL removed]PornStar Podcasts, as of sometime tomrorow ... their files will be up and ready to download or listen to. All I can tell you from my own life is that it was always the woman who wanted to ramp up the slope to the "dark side." Apparently, although Sasha can speak for herself, some of her early experiences were rough sex, so that's what appeals to her. I think it should always be appreciated in context. [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 2:47PM skronker wrote: All I can tell you from my own life is that it was always the woman who wanted to ramp up the slope to the "dark side." Click to expand When you get there, see if you can find Michael Ninn. I heard he took a wrong turn and got lost. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 3:02PM Apparently, there's no happy medium to you in what I said. Porn is about fantasy, when you escape your so-called "Real World" thinking, maybe you'll understand that. Midtown wrote: By "vanilla sex," I assume you are referring to sex between an attractive man and woman in which both appear to be enjoying themselves. By "adventure," it appears you are referring to the kind of sex where a leashed woman is dragged around on her hands and knees, slapped across the face with shocking force and then sodomized. I agree that such sex is "adventurous" in that - in the real world - it is likely to see the attacker put in prison. Click to expand [Link]
imak Adult Film Legend 3345 Posts 2/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 3:07PM stick with the non atttooed vivid girls and dont call out the rest its silly [Link]

Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 3:13PM Yes, but Skronk, this fellow seems to think that the basis of society sees pervs & porn completely like him. There is no context, or contrast, as it's only one-sided with him, and his 'peers' apparently as well. He acts as though: Viewer sees Donkey Punch (or Swirlies) Viewer goes on date, which leads to extracurricular dating acivities at either party's abode (or a cheap hotel) Viewer gets lucky, but then starts dunking his female counterpart's head in the toilet The 'assaulted' files charges, and now Mr. Swirly is facing sexual assault conviction because he didn't realize what he viewed wasn't 'the real thing'. Rather, that it might be an 'OK' thing to act out in real life. Ergo, everyone who watches this type of thing can't seperate reality from sick fantasy...and they make the entire industry look bad as a whole. I highly disagree. If the jackass lawyers can't see beyond that (that one bad apple ruins the cart), then he/she should be disbarred for alleging that anyone who watches porn are all bound to intiate such acts based on what they viewed. Personally, this character has watched too many episodes of Law & Order. skronker wrote: Well, Midtown ... two young women who have willingly participated in quite a bit of extreme fare -- Lorelei Lee and Adrianna Nicole – will be interviewed on ADT's [invalid URL removed]PornStar Podcasts, as of sometime tomrorow ... their files will be up and ready to download or listen to. Click to expand Edited by - Eric381 on 10/3/2006 3:15:38 PM [Link]
JEWEL (imposter) Jewel De'Nyle 736 Posts 1/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 3:16PM She's the cover girl on this months issue of Fox and if you've not gotten it you should as she looks amazing. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 3:25PM Eric381 wrote: Viewer gets lucky, but then starts dunking his female counterpart's head in the toilet Click to expand You mean I have to hire a maid to clean that thing now? Edited by - skronker on 10/3/2006 3:26:33 PM [Link]
barrybrn Senior Member 1568 Posts 9/03	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 5:22PM She is awesome, don't feed the trolls. [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 5:30PM I'm not trying to "call anyone out." Probably about 10% of all the porn out there is what I would call depraved garbage. But, that 10% is going to cost the industry as a whole a disproportionate amount, both in terms of federal regulation and lawsuits. Nothing happens without consequence. For instance, the whole 2257 record keeping requirement issue sprung out of the porn industry's fairly recent fascination with teenagers. My point here is that a handful of porn producers are, whether they realize it or not, giving lawmakers and courts ample reason to come after them and even their audiences. Is it really worth the time and trouble, all so that Rob Black can sell defecation and gang-rape oriented films? [Link]
duffy Deactivated User 208 Posts 4/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 5:33PM Scrawny, buttless, one reason Fashionistas 2 is a joke. [Link]
p_ramezap Senior Member 1549 Posts 5/03	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 5:58PM Midtown wrote: I know this will probably set off a little thunderstorm among all her fans, but I have a couple of issues with Sasha Grey: (1) Wouldn't just a little bit of sun make this girl a whole lot sexier? She's a pretty girl, but her complexion is that of Morticia Adams. (2) Will this girl ever appear in a scene that doesn't turn my stomach. I just rented "Fuck Slaves." I didn't know the premise of the movie. I was pretty much renting it to see Sasha. Anyway, she drank something that squirted out of another girl's butt. She also licked a guy's butt and licked ejaculate off a floor. If she's trying to be the poster child for extreme and bizarre sex, then that's cool I suppose. But, where does it end? What won't she eat, for instance? I know she has her fans and none of them should take this as a personal affront. I just don't find these two things very sexy about Sasha Grey. Consequently, when I hear talk about her being the next "it girl," I wonder what the world is coming to. Click to expand Funny how people like different things. The two issues that you have mentioned here with Sasha, are the two reasons that have made me a fan of hers. [Link]
raylene#1 Member 48 Posts 4/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 6:15PM why write anything if you find her unattractive. i don't understand the reason for starting a thread like this. btw her scene in fuck slaves was awesome. [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 6:30PM raylene#1 wrote: why write anything if you find her unattractive. i don't understand the reason for starting a thread like this. btw her scene in fuck slaves was awesome. Click to expand Where did I say that I find her unattractive? I said the girl could use a little sun. As for her "performance," yeah I find it disturbing. So, sue me. Oh wait, it's the producer who'll probably end up being sued. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 6:36PM Midtown wrote: My point here is that a handful of porn producers are, whether they realize it or not, giving lawmakers and courts ample reason to come after them and even their audiences. Click to expand I don't disagree with you. But I may disagree with you about what constitutes that 10%. And so would many different juries and prosecutors. Sometimes, I wish the US could just be more European in matters of "morality" and such. [Link]

Monstar Senior Member http://twitter.com/MonstarPR 1154 Posts 4/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:03PM raylene#1 wrote: why write anything if you find her unattractive. i don't understand the reason for starting a thread like this. btw her scene in fuck slaves was awesome. Click to expand i don't think that was the intent. don't get so riled up. i understand where this cat is coming from, they simply want to see a chick they dig without having to watch the jackass equivalent of porn. fair enough. BTW i personally disagree on the morticia thing, because i like pasty bitches. if she dyed her hair jet black...perfection! [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:21PM skronker wrote: Sometimes, I wish the US could just be more European in matters of "morality" and such. Click to expand But, it's not. We have two new Bush appointed Supreme Court Justices and - if 86 year old John Paul Stevens can't hold out - possibly a third before 2009. That court will eventually leave its footprint on the porn industry. It just seems as though some porn producers want to hasten that outcome. Monstar wrote: i understand where this cat is coming from, they simply want to see a chick they dig without having to watch the jackass equivalent of porn. Click to expand That's a big part of it. I don't find these more "extreme" scenes to be in any way sexy. And yes, like Jackass, they are stupid. But, furthermore, I find such scenes to be offensive and even dangerous. Porn, like the Catholic Church, seems to be following a small minority of bad eggs down a really tragic path. [Link]
john thomas Deactivated User 1168 Posts 6/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:25PM Midtown wrote: Yes, there are "monsters" among us, as Mark Foley has recently shown us. I'm not one of them. Are you? Click to expand So anyone who doesn't exactly agree with you and like exactly the things you like is, for you, equivalent to a predatory pedophile? OK, we've got the measure of you now. Thank you and goodnight. [Link]
john thomas Deactivated User 1168 Posts 6/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:25PM Sometimes, in my more pollyannaish moments, I allow myself to believe that porn does actually advance the human race a tiny fraction by demonstrating to some people of perhaps limited world experience that there are others in the world who have sexual desires profoundly different from their own yet still valid, still natural, still, indeed, ordinary, still as legitimate and as valuable as their own. Then I see comments like those of Midtown and I realise that I am fooling myself. The black mists close about me and I sink back into the slough of despond. [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:31PM Midtown wrote: I just think the line needs to be drawn somewhere. If I had a sister or a daughter who went into porn, I would be concerned about the harm others might do to her. But, if I had a sister or a daughter who went into the kind of porn Sasha Grey is doing, my concern would be for the harm she is doing to herself. A lot is talked about regarding the government's efforts to crack down on porn. But, it's not the government people in porn have to fear so much as the extremes to which this industry is headed. Aside from alienating a lot of fans of beautiful women, this kind of stuff is just giving lawmakers fuel to set fire to the entire industry. I'm saying this not to come across as moralistic. The slapping, the simulated bondage/torture scenes, the degradation, the extremeness of a lot of today's porn is just way too out there to be acceptable under even a fairly liberal community standard. It appears as though much of today's porn is entirely too influenced by men who hate women. I feel sorry for the women (like Sasha) who are buying into that hate. And, I feel sorry for the industry as a whole that will ultimately pay the price. Click to expand After reading the first statement I was somewhat bothered; now I am officially pissed! Midtown: I usually don’t judge people, especially folks I don’t know. So I will assume (make an ass of you and me) that you are the type of “man” who likes to watch women get fucked on camera and all they are there for is your masturbatory pleasure, they are a detached digital image to you, with no personality and no sense of self. However…. the minute you see this image perform an act you disagree with you automatically defend them and the way they are being treated. If you really gave a leprechaun’s pot of gold you would be more concerned about the real issues that go on in this business; not about the sexual desires some of us consenting adults have and explore on camera. Have you ever heard of BDSM? Would you be the first to say, “It’s wrong, it’s just hurting women”? Obviously you don’t know anything about human sexuality, or the human condition for that matter. Did you know that men also enjoy being treated like “Fuck Slaves”! Why would you even buy a movie titled this if you couldn’t endure it’s meaning…and don’t say, “titles never match the movie!” Some men actually visit a professional dominatrix as a form of therapy. The SM community is large and will continue to grow as the world evolves. Porn is not headed down an evil immoral path! For fuck sakes, IT’S PORN!!! What about those of us who are into the “darker side” of porn?! We will if we please continue to perform this beautiful art we love: Bondage, Discipline, Sadomasochism!!! The problem is not women who partake in these performances; it is the girls who feel the need to take vicodin just to fuck. It is not the women who partake in these performances, it is the girls who are manipulated by directors to do a “little” anal even though that was not the scheduled sex act. It is not the women who partake in these scenes; it is those girls who do it for the quick cash disregarding the long-term affects of this business. Obviously you have not read anything that I have posted on ADT or know anything about me as free-minded liberal ever-evolving feminist. Please see the interview I did for the Fanzine. Obviously you are (as Peter Seller’s put it) “living in a society of mediocrity”. You are a feeble-minded un-philosophical cell. And if you had a daughter that was considering doing porn I would not be concerned about what she is actually doing, but that her health and psyche are intact, and that she will be well prepared for all of the struggles she may face. My good friend, if you feel this strongly about “bizarre” sex acts then you should be lobbying against politicians that go on “business” trips to get “yum yum” from five year old children while their wives are at home taking care of their offspring (yes this does happen). If you want to talk about torture point your fingers at the bible---hand in hand with religion they have been the backbone of hypocritical world leaders since Christianity has been invented. The government doesn’t want people seeing this “bizarre” porn not because it’s pushing thresholds (which it really isn’t this stuff’s been around forever) but because it helps keep everyone in the social and economic brackets they were born in and will continue to be in. (not kidding folks) It’s just like the John Lennon controversy, only a whole community of people, which is even more intimidating. Open-minded people who want to explore different things have been criticized, challenged and persecuted since the beginning of time. Didn’t people think that John Waters was crazy, what about the French film Baise Moi which people consider insane because it depicts rape with real penetration? Our general society that feels it is perfectly acceptable to watch pornographic amounts of violence on film, Sam Peckinpah be damned---and the minute people begin exploring and shaping their sexuality for public consumption it is considered disgusting, and immoral. What about cream pie themed movies? You should be worried about those girls who have a higher risk of catching an std! What about gay porn, there still is not a set rule for HIV testing…they are human beings too. Fuck, I wrote this last night and instead I could have been asleep, dreaming of more “fucked up” shit ! Sasha Grey not only enjoys being a submissive but also a dominant. I AM NOT A VICTM DON’T MISTAKE ME FOR ONE. Maybe you should invest in a little Masters and Johnson or Kinsey literature. ♠ FuckJunkie [Link]
tyrionthedwarf Member 61 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:34PM I can't really speak to the critique of her performance. However, I LOVE pale skin. Esp. pale skin with dark or black hair. The contrast is great. Which is not to say I don't love ladies of all skin and hair colors. Just that a pale skin and dark hair contrast (see Joanna Angel, amoung others) sets my heart racing. So Sasha (and other porn stars) if you are listening -- stay away from the tanning beds and bronzer! Pale skin is sexy! [Link]
IWAdult Member 628 Posts 5/06	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 7:57PM Here's a thought Maybe Sasha LOVES the way her skin looks and LOVES whaqt she is doing in porn. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 8:02PM Yes, but Jackass IS funny...and if you don't agree, that's fine! It's hitting tops at the box office. Much like your taste in 'limp' porn, it doesn't really matter what you think. I hate to tell ya, but I think "the small minority" is exclusive to porn. I have a wild feeling that the Catholic Church far outdoes the phrase "small minority", just like all the other religious hypocrits. Midtown wrote: That's a big part of it. I don't find these more "extreme" scenes to be in any way sexy. And yes, like Jackass, they are stupid. But, furthermore, I find such scenes to be offensive and even dangerous. Porn, like the Catholic Church, seems to be following a small minority of bad eggs down a really tragic path. Click to expand [Link]
wolf69 Member My compass is pointing West. 830 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 9:02PM Extremely well said, Sasha. The more scenes of yours I see and the more posts or yours I read here, the larger fan I become. Don't let the small-minded rile you up as you're only wasting your time. Even if he could understand your motives/reasons for doing what you do he wouldn't want to make the effort, his mind is already made up that he is right. There are some who do not recognize that someone else could possibly believe differently than they. As for me, it's an honor, a privilege, and a pleasure to get to watch you explore your own sexuality. Thank you for sharing. [Link]
Pornmaster Mike Senior Member 32DDD 1462 Posts 8/02	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 10:14PM this thread makes me laugh - Mike [Link]
Midtown Deactivated User 299 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 10:17PM SashaGrey wrote: The government doesn’t want people seeing this “bizarre” porn not because it’s pushing thresholds (which it really isn’t this stuff’s been around forever) but because it helps keep everyone in the social and economic brackets they were born in and will continue to be in. (not kidding folks) Click to expand Like I said, try using this kind of defense when the Feds come knocking. These extreme sexual acts that depict women in states of degradation and humiliation have come under increasing scrutiny by the Justice Department. They're more than willing to litigate the issue. My question remains, why necessitate that litigation in the first place? I appreciate the passion of your response, Sasha. But, you aren't the one who will be paying the legal fees. Nor, in a few years when your career is over, will you be the one saddled (pardon the pun) with whatever court interpretations of obscenity arise out of these scenes. [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 10:18PM SashaGrey wrote: After reading the first statement I was somewhat bothered; now I am officially pissed! Midtown: I usually don’t judge people, especially folks I don’t know. So I will assume (make an ass of you and me) that you are the type of “man” who likes to watch women get fucked on camera and all they are there for is your masturbatory pleasure, they are a detached digital image to you, with no personality and no sense of self. However…. the minute you see this image perform an act you disagree with you automatically defend them and the way they are being treated. If you really gave a leprechaun’s pot of gold you would be more concerned about the real issues that go on in this business; not about the sexual desires some of us consenting adults have and explore on camera. Have you ever heard of BDSM? Would you be the first to say, “It’s wrong, it’s just hurting women”? Obviously you don’t know anything about human sexuality, or the human condition for that matter. Did you know that men also enjoy being treated like “Fuck Slaves”! Why would you even buy a movie titled this if you couldn’t endure it’s meaning…and don’t say, “titles never match the movie!” Some men actually visit a professional dominatrix as a form of therapy. The SM community is large and will continue to grow as the world evolves. Porn is not headed down an evil immoral path! For fuck sakes, IT’S PORN!!! What about those of us who are into the “darker side” of porn?! We will if we please continue to perform this beautiful art we love: Bondage, Discipline, Sadomasochism!!! The problem is not women who partake in these performances; it is the girls who feel the need to take vicodin just to fuck. It is not the women who partake in these performances, it is the girls who are manipulated by directors to do a “little” anal even though that was not the scheduled sex act. It is not the women who partake in these scenes; it is those girls who do it for the quick cash disregarding the long-term affects of this business. Obviously you have not read anything that I have posted on ADT or know anything about me as free-minded liberal ever-evolving feminist. Please see the interview I did for the Fanzine. Obviously you are (as Peter Seller’s put it) “living in a society of mediocrity”. You are a feeble-minded un-philosophical cell. And if you had a daughter that was considering doing porn I would not be concerned about what she is actually doing, but that her health and psyche are intact, and that she will be well prepared for all of the struggles she may face. My good friend, if you feel this strongly about “bizarre” sex acts then you should be lobbying against politicians that go on “business” trips to get “yum yum” from five year old children while their wives are at home taking care of their offspring (yes this does happen). If you want to talk about torture point your fingers at the bible---hand in hand with religion they have been the backbone of hypocritical world leaders since Christianity has been invented. The government doesn’t want people seeing this “bizarre” porn not because it’s pushing thresholds (which it really isn’t this stuff’s been around forever) but because it helps keep everyone in the social and economic brackets they were born in and will continue to be in. (not kidding folks) It’s just like the John Lennon controversy, only a whole community of people, which is even more intimidating. Open-minded people who want to explore different things have been criticized, challenged and persecuted since the beginning of time. Didn’t people think that John Waters was crazy, what about the French film Baise Moi which people consider insane because it depicts rape with real penetration? Our general society that feels it is perfectly acceptable to watch pornographic amounts of violence on film, Sam Peckinpah be damned---and the minute people begin exploring and shaping their sexuality for public consumption it is considered disgusting, and immoral. What about cream pie themed movies? You should be worried about those girls who have a higher risk of catching an std! What about gay porn, there still is not a set rule for HIV testing…they are human beings too. Fuck, I wrote this last night and instead I could have been asleep, dreaming of more “fucked up” shit ! Sasha Grey not only enjoys being a submissive but also a dominant. I AM NOT A VICTM DON’T MISTAKE ME FOR ONE. Maybe you should invest in a little Masters and Johnson or Kinsey literature. ♠ FuckJunkie Click to expand Goddamin I'm going to marry you, you brazen hussie! [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 10:39PM Basically, when Sasha is making such wonderful faces full of evident joy and pleasure while being "degraded," it ain't gonna fly as obscene or prosecutable. And I thought the Adrianna Nicole scene was one of the hottest scenes I've ever seen in my life. Also, the way the DVDs are structured, with interviews and BTS clips and such where performers talk about how much they enjoy their scenes, you could almost defend "Fuck Slaves," if necessary, as educational, just like they did in the old days with Kroger Babb's nudie drive-in flicks. Lastly, there's a hundred-times "worse" stuff on the INternet being downloaded into Christian-owned computers every minute. The justice department may or may not succeed in picking off a producer or two without the savvy or means to defend themselves, because there are a lot of dumbasses out there who will make it easy by not having paperwork or abusing talent, but after re-reading everything here, I'd say that Midtown is being strangely reactionary. To view "Fuck Slaves," call it disgusting, and then complain, by the way, that Sasha is too pale besides, reminds me of the Woody Allen joke: Two Jewish matrons go to the buffet. "Oy," sez one, "the brisket is lousy" "I know, Gladys, I know," sez the other. "And the portions, they're so small!" [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 11:23PM Midtown wrote: Like I said, try using this kind of defense when the Feds come knocking. These extreme sexual acts that depict women in states of degradation and humiliation have come under increasing scrutiny by the Justice Department. They're more than willing to litigate the issue. My question remains, why necessitate that litigation in the first place? I appreciate the passion of your response, Sasha. But, you aren't the one who will be paying the legal fees. Nor, in a few years when your career is over, will you be the one saddled (pardon the pun) with whatever court interpretations of obscenity arise out of these scenes. Click to expand She's also not holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to film her doing these things, or to put the resulting movies on sale to the public. Trying to blame an 18 year old girl for whatever ramifications may ensue from marketing decisions made by the middle-aged men who employ her is rather silly. And as for the complexion issue, it should be recalled that some people are just naturally fair-skinned and do not tan; complaining about their appearance is about as productive as complaining that someone like Jada Fire is "too dark." [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 11:27PM Fine...let them. I'll assert my right to watch what thee fuck I want, as long as it's not illegal, inside the confines of my own home. You ought to learn the laws of our constitution before you go threatening people with useless rubbish like "feds knocking on their front door". Whoopie!! Get your facts straight man, Alberto is waiting for his blowjob...have a blast. Midtown wrote: Like I said, try using this kind of defense when the Feds come knocking. Click to expand Edited by - Eric381 on 10/4/2006 8:10:00 AM [Link]
wolf69 Member My compass is pointing West. 830 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 11:34PM What Eric said because, frankly (and maybe I am naive), I don't believe the sky is necessarily falling. There may be some rain, even some hail sometimes, but from my limited vantage point the sky looks like it'll still be in place after I pass from this realm. [Link]