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Gojira54
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Posted - Jan 28 2000 : 11:41AM
Im really disappointed in the Icandy release of Up n Coming with Marilyn Chambers. This disc cut the most famous scene. The scene containing Marilyn and John Holmes. I have the Videotape release of this movie, and the scene is whole on the video tape. They include the scene but cut it at the anal part. And what an amazing scene that is. Any girl who can take John up the ass amazing. Sorry for venting but this is unacceptable. Is this what we get to look forward to the future of DVD? Could you imagine the Scene in New Wave Hookers with Ginger Lynn being cut? I cant and just can't imagine what Icandy was thinking. I really enjoyed their release of Instaible. Uncut. If anyone has seen this please let me know if this is the way it was original released in the Theatre's. Yes Porno's actually shown on the Big screen and you didnt have to put in quarters to watch it.
The quailty of the video is outstanding. Not much in the way of extras. Only 2 Trailers some pictures. I will have a full review by this weekend.Wanted to warn people before the you bought it.
Gojira54
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Posted - Jan 28 2000 : 12:09PM
Gojira-
I asked iCandy about this right after I saw Up 'n Coming. I hadn't seen the VHS version but I had read a review. They said that that was the video footage they got. The cutting was certainly not intentional on iCandy's part.
That's the only reason I gave Up 'n Coming a 4 instead of a 5.
Gojira54
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Posted - Jan 28 2000 : 5:39PM
Hi Steph,
I just don't know what to say about it. I was really disappointed. I agree with you about the score to a degree. I only give it a 3.5 on a scale of 1 to 5. I hope ICandy checks its prints against existing prints, to make sure they don't let this happen again. I was impressed with their first release Insatiable. I was disappointed in the extras on Up N Coming. They were almost the exact same thing on Insatiable. Studios should atleast attempt to include different materials on different discs. I can only say this if you are really interested in the disc because of the Chambers/Holmes scene avoid it then. If not enjoy an above average offering from I-candy.
Gojira54
HoustonDon
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Posted - Jan 29 2000 : 8:53AM
Gojira, I remember that scene as well from the VHS tape. My guess is they cut it because of Holmes' death by AIDS and the fact that anal sex is, in this country at least, one of the most likely ways to catch the disease. I agree that cutting the scene takes the release off my "want to buy" list.
On New Wave Hookers: I saw the original, uncut version before it was taken off the shelves. The scenes with Traci Lords were the hottest on the tape by far but it still sells (without her scenes) pretty well today. Those scenes were cut when it was revealed to the Meese Commission that Lords' was under the age of consent when she made most of her movies. Any original copies of the movie would be considered child pornography and *very* dangerous to own. (felony)
Saki
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Posted - Jan 29 2000 : 9:31AM
I'm not sure whether JCH's HIV status has anything to do with the cuts. After all, there was no censorship of Insatiable's anal scene with him and Marilyn Chambers. Also, if that was true, then I reckon there'd be a lot of cutting going on. For example, Marc Wallace made something in the neighborhood of 2000 movies, and some allege that he made a number after he knew he was HIV positive.
I don't know why the scene was cut...
Saki
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Drew Black
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Posted - Jan 29 2000 : 9:51AM
Steph inquired with iCandy about this very issue. She was told that they put all of the film they received onto the DVD.
iCandy most likely bought the distribution rights for DVD. I don't think they aquired the ownership rights to the original footage. Up 'n Coming has most likely had a quite a few owners since its original release. Somewhere along the line the final scene must have gotten damaged or removed.
This hardly excuses the fact that the scene is not there. This is akin to releasing The Empire Strikes Back on DVD and cutting the section where we learn that Darth is Luke's father.
It wouldn't be such a big issue if an average scene somewhere in the middle of the movie were cut short. This is the final scene with THE top performers of the day (possibly some of the best performers of all time) and is a serious let down. I had not seen Up 'n Coming prior to the DVD release. I didn't know what was missing from the final seen but I definitely could tell something wasn't right. Even with that said I still enjoyed the movie. It gave me a much greater appreciation for Marilyn and the classics.
Gojira54
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Posted - Jan 29 2000 : 12:41PM
Some excellent reply's. I-candy did a great job with the tranfer. I think I-candy will be a big classic releaser on DVD. But they need to make sure they have the Original print. And yes Marilyn and John are Top preformers of their time. I for one doubt they cut the scene W/Holmes because of his HIV statis. Now cutting a film because of an underage Actress is one thing. I for one was wondering if this was cut because of some other reason. Maybe this was the original way this was release in the theatres. I only seen it on Video before the DVD release, and they could have added the rest of the footage when the released it on video. Again this is a good disc just not the full movie. I just hope Icandy pays better attention next time around.
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torris
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Posted - Feb 3 2000 : 7:39PM
Phillip123
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Posted - Feb 4 2000 : 10:14AM
I am pretty disappointed in this one.
The best scene was cut from it....
Not a good thing
Drew Black
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Posted - Feb 4 2000 : 10:51AM
Phillip123,
I feel it's important to clarify that the whole scene was not deleted. A good ten minutes of the final orgy scene is still there. (I think it's about 10 minutes but I didn't time it so please don't crucify me if I'm off a little.) The only part of the scene that is missing is the last few minutes where John gives it to Marilyn in the ass.
- Editted to fix spelling.
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maxy
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Posted - Feb 4 2000 : 1:25PM
SINCE THE ONLY VHS COPY AVAILABLE OF UP N COMING IS THE EDITED VERSION -- ICANDY IS LOOKING FOR A VHS COPY OF UP N COMING UNEDITED! PLEASE LET US HEAR FROM YOU IF YOU HAVE ONE.EMAIL US AT ICANDVD@GTE.NET
ICANDY ENTERTAINMENT IS WORKING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM! THANKS
Babbit
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Posted - Feb 7 2000 : 8:42PM
Darn!!!
Just got my copy today (not knowing about the missing footage) and talk about a letdown! This final scene is one of my top five best scenes ever (and I've seen a LOT) and I couldn't believe it when it ended before the big finale. I even went back to listen to the Gloria Leonard commentary to see if she said anything about it, but she didn't. I must say the picture and sound quality is very good, but without this final scene intact, it's just not the same.
By the way, I have a second-gen VHS copy of the final, unedited scene if Drew or anyone wants to see what is undoubtedly one of the finest scenes in adult filmdom.
Saki
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Posted - Feb 7 2000 : 8:53PM
Babbit: I know that I-Candy is definitely looking for an unedited VHS copy for their investigation. You can e-mail them at: icandvd@gte.net.
Thanks,
Saki
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torris
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Posted - Feb 7 2000 : 9:10PM
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A better place to ask for this would probably be on the newsgroup rec.arts.movies.erotica. there are all sorts of longtime collectors there who probably have access to a first release of this. Or I would say have AVN get you in touch with purported export Jim Holliday who would have this in his archives
pretty righteous to try and remedy this situaton
Saki
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Posted - Feb 7 2000 : 9:14PM
I may be wrong, but I think read somewhere that I-Candy has already talked with Jim Holliday, asking him if he knew when and why the VHS source material was edited...
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Gojira54
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Posted - Feb 8 2000 : 5:22AM
I-candy is getting a unedited version. I sent them a copy already. They should get it weds. Hopefully they can get this all straighten out.
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