hi guys. this is my first time here at dvd talk. great site btw. hope u have room for an ex uk porn performer and sorry if im posting this on the wrong forum.
its been bugging me for some time what views americans have on british produced porn. I dont know if any of u have ever seen any as i dont know how available it is in the states. but any feedback would be great.
I don't know about the US, but we see hardly any British porn here in Australia. The vast majority sold here seems to come from either the USA or Germany. There are occasional tidbits from the Netherlands.
I liked the movies Hightide made with Georgette Neale and Layla Jade. Also, the Glimpse movies with Pandora and Poppy look good, but I've never bought one because they are so expensive. (About 3 times the price of U.S. movies)
I have not seen any of your movies. Sorry
Are you going to be working for any U.S. studios?
Cheers licker
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Posted - Apr 3 2004 : 8:39AM
Hi sandie,
Welcome to the forum, and you posted a discussion topic in the correct place.
Regarding British Porn, two thoughts come to mind. One, it is quite expensive compared to most of the other stuff we can order. Second, many who get onto discussion boards hear a lot about the R18 rating and British censorship and have the impression that it would be softer porn. (Which may not be true.)
Most of us have seen British porn stars, but not necessarily British Porn. (And you have some damn hot stars I might add.)
Viv Thomas is the main line that I can think of that can be obtained here, but again expensive in comparison.
New here at DVD talk. The situation with British porn is much better now. The R18 vids are pretty much XXX rated.
The last stats I got was that less than 10 percent of films sold in licenced sex shop are cut (that is not bad). The only scenes I know where they are a bit iffy on are triple penetration. I have yet to see triple penetration being passed by the british censorship, although you can buy illegal American copies.
One of the reason why British porn seems expensive is largely because of the exchange rate. At the moment, it's not very good
The Brits do some pretty good "amateur housewife / model" stuff (Ben Dover, Big Omar et al). In fact practically all the Britporn I've seen has been of that variety.
As for the R18 certificate - well, all of the R18 stuff I've seen has been no softer than most continental hardcore stuff, so I don't know what all the fuss is about when people slag it off.
Porn in general however, although more readily available than it was say ten years ago, is VERY expensive to buy in the UK - in a licensed sex shop in Sheffield a couple of years back, I saw VHS tapes on sale at GBP 30 each (that's like $45) - for VHS, for fuck's sake!!!!!!!
As a final note - one of the most annoying things about Britporn (or at least a lot of the stuff I've seen) is that most of the performers seem to have horrible Essex accents!!!! (Maybe Essex is the UK's answer to Porn Valley - I don't know). So suddenly girls are "gewz" and a cunt is a "cant" - so you get the male performers coming out with dreadful lines like "Or lav ta fackin' stick mah dick in gewz cants". AWFUL!!!!!
Well i am from England and i get my porn over from the US becuase if u goto a video store (not meaning soho) or mail order and get videos rated BBFC 18, they will be cut, these are softcore
u have to get the "R18" porn, these are explicit versions.. i have 1 i think and it's fine
oh and Linsey is British too (see my pic, u cant miss her!)
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DenverDon Benevolent
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Posted - Apr 3 2004 : 12:38PM
Perhaps I was getting confused between the BBFC 18 and the R18, but the impression I got was it was cut or softer porn.
18 in a red circile (the normal rating, this goes from Uc, U, PG,12,15,18) and then theres the BLUE square known as R18 the R18 is the hardcore but dont know much about them, becuase im supprised they are not the BBFC version very confused
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I'm british and I think our porn (cut or uncut) sucks. It's poorly shot and poorly directed. Quite often the male stars are a bunch of twats that really do my head in. Ben Dover is probably the only person who managed to pull it off quite well.
both 18 and R18 classifications are issued by the BBFC. u got it right. 18 means its soft - could be simulated and R18 means its the full monty. There are some things like peeing, fisting and squirting that are still a no no. i dont know how that reflects on US laws. The most part we can show hardcore sex tho.
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DenverDon Benevolent
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Posted - Apr 3 2004 : 2:02PM
I worked overseas for a number of years with a bunch of expats, including Brits. Picked up a number of things, but maybe not all the fine details.
A title rated 18 , ie suitable for people aged over 18 , will look like -
While one for R18 , people over 18 can only purchase from a licensed sex shop ( the dopes ) looks like -
In both cases the symbol is down in the bottom left hand corner .
Flashpont has been passed for both ratings by the board , B ritish B oard of F ilm C lassification , but I couldn't find the R18 version online .
Flashpoint 18 is listed as lasting for 1.22:17 but Flashpoint R18 enthralls for a huge 1.51:24 ( no cuts listed )
Ben Dover's probably the most famous British pornographer in the states , wouldn't you say ? His movies are distributed by VCA if I remember correctly , and that must have garnered him a fair level of exposure .
These are the guidelines for the R18 category direct from the BBFC website:-
To be supplied only in licensed sex shops to adults of not less than 18 years.
The ‘R18’ category is a special and legally restricted classification primarily for explicit videos of consenting sex between adults. Such videos may be supplied to adults only in licensed sex shops, of which there are currently about 90 in the UK. ‘R18’ videos may not be supplied by mail order.
The following content is not acceptable
any material which is in breach of the criminal law.
material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in abusive sexual activity (e.g., paedophilia, incest) which may include depictions involving adults role-playing as non-adults.
the portrayal of any sexual activity, whether real or simulated, which involves lack of consent.
the infliction of pain or physical harm, real or (in a sexual context) simulated. Some allowance may be made for mild consensual activity.
any sexual threats or humiliation which do not form part of a clearly consenting role-playing game.
the use of any form of physical restraint which prevents participants from withdrawing consent, for example, ball gags.
penetration by any object likely to cause actual harm or associated with violence.
activity which is degrading or dehumanising (examples include the portrayal of bestiality, necrophilia, defecation, urolagnia).
The following content, subject to the above, may be permitted
aroused genitalia masturbation oral-genital contact including kissing, licking and sucking penetration by finger, penis, tongue, vibrator or dildo non-harmful fetish material group sexual activity ejaculation and semen
These guidelines make no distinction between heterosexual and homosexual activity.
R18s The R18s are sometimes cut. For example, Weapons of ass destruction 1/2, Fashionistas (alot i think). The main problem is that the BBFC is a business and gets funded by charging to classify the videos. Its too expensive to put in any extras. They are extremley restricted however. There isnt one sex shop anywhere near me that i know of.
Brit porn I like it particulary Ben Dover's stuff. I've also seen Lubed Girls and some stuff on the "Rude Britania" label. Alot of titles are made specially for the U.K and the R18 certificate and arent available overseas. Yes britporn seems amateurish and not as glamerous as in America and Europe. But id say thats it's appeal and goes back to when porn was illegal and very much more underground.
Hi, X-Marks-the-Spot. I'm very interested in the goth scene, both within the world of porn and outside it, too. I've posted to Private's Forum some detailed comments on Michael Ninn and Jose M Ponce in a 'General Chat' topic entitled 'are any of the private girls goths?', but I've yet to have replies. In the 'Movies' section, however, there is a thriving topic, 'The Future of Fetish', with gothic/vampire references.
Generally speaking, the vids on sales in the UK now are around £20, plus a lot of retailers do bundle offer like 3 for £50. This is still fairly expensive but not as much as another poster's claim of £30 each
The current state of the British Porn Industry is a national disgrace. The government should throw it's weight behind an initiative aimed at developing home-grown talent and establishing our credibility in the world of porn.
Seriously, I believe there are tax incentives available to encourage the film industry. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they were taken advantage of to produce a porn epic?
I foresee the "British genre" eventually developing to be something like Benny Hill with hardcore sex.
Like most everything else, it depends. The Big Omar stuff I've seen I've liked. Betty Swallocks can also put on one heck of a show. The Union Jaxxx / Pumpkin stuff I've seen has left a lot to be desired.
"material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in abusive sexual activity (e.g., paedophilia, incest) which may include depictions involving adults role-playing as non-adults.
the portrayal of any sexual activity, whether real or simulated, which involves lack of consent.
the infliction of pain or physical harm, real or (in a sexual context) simulated. Some allowance may be made for mild consensual activity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this descriptive of the 'schoolgirl' spanking/caning which seems to me to be one of the most distinctly British forms of porn.
The High Tide series would also seem to be banned under these provisions, in view of the mention of 'urolagnia' as degrading/dehumanising.
A lot of the British-made stuff in the CP/spanking genre appears not to get an R18 rating and so technically it remains unavailable in the UK: some of it is distributed instead by overseas companies.
nope. spanking is never passed thru the BBFC. altho as u state we probably are responsible for producing alot of this type of product. its all sold out side of the uk and uncertificated.
one of the best british studios in my opinion has to be Relish, surprised nobody has mentioned them Relish their films are very light-hearted but contain decent sex involving pretty tasty talent, the production values are much higher than any other British Stuff at the moment, just my tuppence worth!!
