I will really care about a core of top notch long term talent. The rest I will sell and replace fast. But while they work I will do all my best to keep their body fit. For their body is my only capital.

I plan to get out 2000-5000$ in commission fee of each girl per month. About Half of this I have to reinvest in her health care, her cloths, pictures to be taken, body guards, phone calls etc. I plan to have up to 100 girls per month working for me by mid next year.

Yes, I will sell their meat cheap to an ever growing Western porn market, but their flesh is cheap only for Western investors. For my talent this <groundbreaking cheap fares> are really worth much.

I know a lot of porn fans dont want to hear about this side of the business. I'm in a lucky position that I dont have problems to enjoy any good porn scene knowing that the people involved do it mainly for the money. I dont look for love in porn. I look fast sexual relieve without obligations.

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In my opinion, if Shameless is as he says he is, and how he has portrayed himself is a fair reflection of the truth, then people should back off a bit because the hypocrisy of much of the criticism he receives seems a bit wearing to me (I say this myself dressed in clothes that, for all I know, are produced by people on derisory wages in desperate poverty with little hope of escape, for rich western fashion companies).

My view anyway.
SNP.

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Know what: Last week I recruited 18 new girls. It took me 3 days (not counting the advertizements running in local nowespaper) and I had Dotzens of them waiting in front of my door. I could really choose the youngest, healthiest and sexually most confident ones. More than 80% I had to turn down. Only 2 came with their pimps. I threw them out straight away. Pimps are just a pain in your ass. All the rest just came fresh of the mill, fresh of colledge, school, their parents. They say they go shopping to mum and go selling their body instead. Normal teens just needing money, some also an adventure.

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We do have a strong anal committement at my Agency. I call it <All Anal Agency> and I take this serious. Thus we dont contract girls not doing anal at all.
True, a pussy-only or lesbo only girl can not get listed for work with us. But than a positive tested girl cannot work with us either, a girl over 30 y.o. or a girl taller than 180 cm cannot work here too. Its just a set of rules in order to meet the customers requirements best.
It's also true that I did lowered the fee handed out to a girl still being booked for pussy-only by 100%, such as to have her earning more than twice as much if she does anal. This is one way to increase her readyness to perform anal, just one way to incite anal (the other being to give her a positive sexual anal adventure before she actually performs on set). Looking at other Agencies policies in the biz I strongly believe that anal is payed too badly ingeneral. I want to do away with this misproportion of anal being worth only 10 or 20% more than pussy-only.

I am coming to this business as a porn fan. As a porn fan, I want as much anal as possible. As an agent I want other similarly minded porn fans to give the same.
This has nothing to do with "forcing girls to do anal" however. Any girl basically prepared to perform anal, but letting herself be booked for pussy-only actually is more than welcome to work with me, as long as she gets booked enough. She will earn less than her collegues, but she will still earn more than an average Ukrainian monthly income per scene.

As an agent I really aim at selling as much DAPs as possible, because each DAP-scene earns me nearly 150$ in commission. I also want more DAPs shot because I wanna watch more DAPs in my own porn consume. And DAP usually really brings out the girls true inner self, it's a metaphysical thing eveolving on a plain porn set.
But that does not mean that each and every girl has to do DAP. If a girl builds up a good relation with a producer just doing pussy only so that he/she eventually books other girls doing anal and byond, fine.
I might run the first <All Anal Agency> out there in this biz, but I dont force my girls to do nothing! I just have my rules as everybody in this biz too.

I really honestly try to consider all conflicting moral issues. I am really open for discussion. It's my christian upbringing, I guess. I thought it over once more and really dont see anything wrong with my priceing policy. There are other forces far more strong, IMO. Such as restrictive society, abusive partners, abusive pimps, corrupetd policeman, sleazy doctors etc. But not a priclist paying half as much for pussy-only than for anal.

Edited by - Shameless on 11/12/2003 1:09:39 PM

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I am really troubled (and I can see that you mean well and want to make money for the girls) when I see a website that advertises women the way one advertises meat or other merchandise.

You refer to "difficult material situations;" essentially what you mean is poverty. These girls are poor, their families are poor; some of them, perhaps, are young mothers with few if any educational credentials.

I feel queasy about what I see as the exploitation of the already exploited.

At any rate, that wasn't a comment on your business.
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2) implications of a hardcore job in the USA and in Ex-SU might be not the same.
Here you really can do any job in a big town for a while without a lot of people noticing it. As porn consume is still very limited, a very expensive hobby and the country very big, chances somebody finds out about stand close to zero.

Now about the girls ability to understand what this kind of erotica means return to 1).
Also let me tell that we DO explain them what facial, DP, a2m, DAP means by actually performing it on them BEFORE they get booked for a porn set job. We do our best to <initiate> all of our girls, testing especially their anal capacity (I dont want my customers to book <fresh DAP-meat> and than to find out on the set only that the actual girl he is working with is too tight to perform!).

Now finally poverty and exploitation: I have explained inmany threads what the fact that the Ukrainian averge monthly income is currently around 55$ means in this context. I dont want to go into details here again.
But I do think it is healthy to look at the porn industry like any manufacturing business once in a while. Why should it be perfectly ok for the car industry to outsource their production in a low-wage country, but for porn not?
I basically offer the same service for half the price in Czech or Hungary and a quarter the price in LA. Still my girls canbuy much more with the money they earn than any US-porn girl.
Alternative choices are always, be it as limited as they are. (Small street trade, crime, prostitution, stay in poverty etc.)

Finally let me tell you about one strange feeling I have sometimes: When I sit in a cafe nearby my Kiev suite high above the Old Town I can watch all those beautiful young women stroll in the shoping streets. I really have warm feelings and a lot of sympathy for this (ukrainian) youngsters. Than suddenly every one of these beautiful girls I see and muse about turns into a piece of meat I sell to foreigners in my job!
I undress them in my mind, check up their warm pussy, open their ass, check out their 100% natural boobs, hand them in my wages-list and ask them to tick my model file boxes of acts they are ready to perform etc. Than all over a sudden I see happy end consumers beating it off to a nice high-charged piece of hardcore porn art!, I see actors fooling around with beautiful girls, I see lust-ridden faces near orgasm on set, I see smiling young girl's faces counting the cash they just earned, I see those smiling girls strolling around Kiev finally able to allow themselfs to buy some nice fashion-skirt.
At the end of the day I dont see myself as an exploiter - really not!

Edited by - Shameless on 11/13/2003 10:16:58 PM

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Now the way I see it...
Most of the women acting in porn movies are doing it for the money (ok so some are for the love of sex all hail to Selena, Ariana et al) but the truth remains that a large percentage of performers are "forced" in to the profession due to finanical needs.. just like the girls that Shamless is hiring. So I realy see no difference there between the performers that we see on screen all the time and the ladies that Shamless is working with.

From what Shamless has mentioned already, and I'm led to believe that what he's writing is the truth, I see no more "exploitation" and "forcing" by him than any other Porn talent agency in any contry... Ok so maybe he's "sampling the wares" before selling, but then he wants to know that he's providing a good and reliable product to the end consumer. And... if the girls didn't want to "give one away for free" I don't see him forcing himself on them.. from what I've read so far.

So how is what he's doing any different than what the Porn talent agencies in the US are doing?
How are these girls any different from the girl out there in the US or Europe at the lower end of the Porn food chain (or just starting out)?

Maybe I've missed something along the line and maybe I'm too open minded, if so please tell me and I'm more than happy to stand corrected. All I can see that Shamless is doing is telling us about the "dark side" or the Behind the scenes aspect of the Porn industry and maybe that's shocking and offending some people that still insist on spending huge amounts of money on the end result.

Having said that.. I wouldn't mind seeing some of these girls in action or performing.. and then I believe one could honestly see if they were beiong forced or taken advantage of... I can't imagine that these newby starletts would be good enough actresses already to hide deep scars.

Anyway... leaving you to it agian...
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Finally, I dont aim at showing here voyeuristicly a dark part of the porn industry. I think the business side of selling/buying pussy/ass/sexual service etc is just a natural and integral aspect of porn. There is nothing <wrong> about it, on the contrary it gives a lot of freedom of cjoice and possibilties. But most important I think is to enjoy those wonderful female bodies showed in porn dvds. I deeply believe that god created women to bring joy to the world. All I basically aim at with my work is to keep people deeply embedded in depravity happy - and to earn my living doing it. And have lots of fun myself, too.
Live is too short to not enjoy kinky <bad> sex!

Edited by - Shameless on 11/14/2003 4:31:29 PM

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