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supermanrocket001
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Posted - Oct 13 2006 : 6:42AM
What are some really good POV DVDs to check out?

I checked out the list of [invalid URL removed]POV titles and there are a lot to choose from. Which ones have you guys seen?

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Darth-Morpheous
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Posted - Oct 13 2006 : 1:07PM
Nothing tops Mike Johns:

POV Pervert (Red Light District/Jules Jordan Video)

Perverted Point of View (Diabolic)

Drop a load
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Posted - Oct 13 2006 : 1:07PM
Pole Position from Mercenary Pictures

Manuel Ferrara's POV 1 and 2 very good

any of the Mike John directed POV movies

Vouyer Vision 1

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I humbly submit...

"Head Case" (3rd Degree)

A new release. All POV blowjobs. INCREDIBLE. One of the best oral movies I've ever seen and I've seen many. Seriously strokeworthy - every scene is hot.

tritone
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I am somewhat of a connosuier of POV movies, so I will gladly provide my suggestions.

Be aware that about half of adverstised "POV" movies are crap. The people who make them either can't get the right camera shots that feel like POV, and then if they do, they fail to capture the action in a way that best shows off the girl's body. My recommendations are those films which for the most part, do NOT have these problems. If you see a movie that is NOT on this list, proceed with caution and avoid at all costs anything "POV" from the Evasive Angels studio.


Highly Recommend


Multiple POV #1
Raincoater's Point Of View #1, #2, #3
Perverted Point of View #2, #3, #4, #7-#10
My Second POV - Turning Japanese
POV Pervert #4 and #5
Tunnel Vision
POV Centerfolds #1
Twisted Vision #1, #2, and #3
Latin POV #3
Ghetto Girl POV #2
Erik Everhard's Anal P.O.V. #1
Vouyer Vision
Brother Love's POV Fantasy #1, #3, #4, #5
Peter North's POV #1
50 to 1 #1-#3 (mostly oral only, but some fucking)
Pulse POV
About Face #2


Recommended


Erik Everhard's ANAL P.O.V. #2, #3
Perverted Point of View Series (other volumes)
POV Pervert Series ( other volumes)
Worship This Bitch #1
Smokin' POV #1, #2
Peter North's POV #2, #4, #6, #10, #11
Julian's POV Pinups All-Stars
Swine's POV
Jake Malone's POV
Rear POV
Please ... Drill My Ass POV Style #1, #2, and #3
Throb POV (aka "Throb")
Jack's POV #1, #2
About Face #3, #4
Big Mouthfuls #7 - #10
Interracial POV #1
POV - Up Close and Personal (DVSX)
M.I.L.F. POV series (Devil's Films/White Ghetto)
Squirt for Me POV Series (Devil's Films/White Ghetto)
Pole Position - Lex POV #5 (Mercenary Pictures)
Manuel Ferrara's POV #1, #2 ( Just barely, though)
POV Centerfolds #3
My First POV
My Third POV
Asian POV #2
How Do You Want Me?


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jake malone
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Hey tritone,
Being a connoisseur of pov, and you clearly are, what are the qualities that make say, Eric's 1st pav make the HIGHLY recommended list, and #'s 2 and 3 only make the recommended list? Cast?

Above and beyond being able to hold the camera steady, would you say chemistry is the most important element?

Because when shooting real pov, (i.e. the fucker holding the camera), there are a limited number of angles one can work.

If the guy is caught up in the moment and the camera is bouncing around, but the moment is authentic and hot, does that override the camera deficiencies for you?

fyi Vince used the "other camera guy" technique on the multiple pav line, at least some of the time.

And last but not least, does it bother you, in a case where the "other camera guy" is used, shooting down "the fuckers" chest, in missionary for instance, when you can see both of the fuckers hands on the girl, thereby proving that it's not "authentic" pov.

Thanks for your time and insight.

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I watch a lot of POV too Jake. I have never seen one of your POV films yet but intend to check one out.

The thing that makes a DVD go from recommended to highly recommended are a few things:

1. Full body shots of the girl. Show her face, breasts, stomach, and penetration all in one shot. It's ok to ocassionally drop the camera on her ass but don't leave it there too long and don't bounce the camera around too much. Guys are watching it to stroke to. We need angles to be held long enough to build up some excitement. I start building up, you move the camera, suddenly I've lost the momentum. Everyone wants to see the whole package.

2. Use the correct angles. Straight up and down on my TV. No diagonal shots please. And no upside down shots where the guy is at the top of my screen. On shots where the guy is up high and the girl is on all four, shoot her entire ass to back to the top of her head. Get it all in the frame.

3. More dirty talk, moans, facial expressions. Let us know she's alive in the scene and the guy isn't fucking a corpse. Also dialogue carries the momentum. When you hold an angle and she's quiet, then she says "that feels good"..then she says "oh fuck yes" then she says "don't stop" then she say "it's so big" then she says "i think i'm going to cum"...it builds up steam. Also pace the dialogue to the fucking. Have the guy go faster and keep that faster pace as she says shes going to cum. Pace is really important.

4. More clothing in the scene. You notice POV fantasy is ranked high in that last post. Well it ranks really high with me too. I think its the best porn out there period. That says a lot about it. I love seeing the girl giving a blowjob with a pink hat on. I like seeing her dress pretty or leaving something on during the sex. It adds some color and creates a theme. Plus you got a nice plot or a fantasy and you can relate. Twisted Vision POV ranks high too because it's just like POV fantasy. There is a theme. I believe in one scene a guy walks into a coffee shop and fucks the girl on the coffee shop counter. What guy out there hasn't wanted to do that! There are always cute girls working at a coffee shop so you can relate to it. That shit could be redone 5 more times and it would be fantastic with different girls. You could do that theme and everyone would love it. It doesn't get old because you'd add your style and spin to it. Think of where guys go and see hot girls that they want to fuck. Keep it realistic. At the coffee shop Nautica Thorn wasn't all nude when he showed up. She was wearing just regular jeans and a top like some coffee shop girl would wear.

5. Find places where guys go and see hot girls and make that a scene. I like to try and relive what I see in my day to day life in porn. I know I just said this but I wanted to say it again because it's so fucking important. I drop clothes off at the cleaners all the time and there are always cute teen girls that work there. They come out to the car, pick up the clothes, smile and I drive off thinking wow. Imagine if the guy drives up, she walks up to the car to get the clothes, smiles and says her boss isn't here right now. She gives the guy a bj in the car. He then goes inside the cleaners and fucks her. There are tons of small mom and pop cleaners out there to shoot a scene like this.

Another place where guys run into hot girls regularly is at restaraunts. Your waitress comes over in that short black skirt with a tray. You also got laundry mats. You show up late at night to wash your clothes. You have your basket and she's over there folding her panties and pajamas. She's in her little cotton shorts and flip flops in a pony tail. She smiles at you and then you fuck her on the machine while it's on. Am I the only one that thinks like this??? How about when you go to a fast food place and they say the fries will take another 3 minutes, can you pull up and we'll bring it out. She comes out with a bag, gives a bj for the long wait, fucks the guy and he drives off!! Now we are talking!!

I don't care who you are. It's hard to fuck something up like that in POV style.

6. This will probably piss some people off but oh well, I rarely like seeing black/asian chicks in my porn. I'm a white guy who prefers white girls and some pretty latin girls. When I say white girls, I'm talking Julia Bond, Brooke Milano, pretty petite/to slightly thick white girls. I like fresher/new faces. I don't mind a big ass and I don't mind a thick girl but if you put one in the film there better be some titty fucking. And there better be more dirty talk because it takes a little more from those girls I think. Brooke Milano could just smile at me and I'd probably pop. Julia Bond could give me that angry look she has and I'd go WOW. But other girls, normal girls...I need more.

What I really hate is when a director slips in a girl they know isn't all that attractive or that doesn't match the cast. You see it all the time. A cute teen lineup, all skinny and petite, fresh faces and then the big black girl, the really fat ugly latin girl or the ugly asian girl or the old massive fake tit girl in a teen lineup. Or how about the girl with short dyke hair when all the girls have long hair. Put a wig on her at least!! That really tanks a DVD when a director does that. Guaranteed no higher than 4 stars, typically 3 stars max. Put two girls in there like that and its no higher than 3 stars, typically 2 stars max. There is an exception though...

7. Get as many girls as you can on the DVD until it almost seems like a damn compilation. Instead of one 40 minute scene, do two 20 minute scenes to get another girl in. I am a huge fan of Brooke Milano, I think she is really cute. I am also a huge fan of Julia Bond. There are other girls I really like also. If you put one of the girls in it I like, chances are I will see it, if you put two chicks in it I really like, chances are I will love the DVD. If you put in 3 I like, well...suddenly I'm a huge fan of the series and I'm telling everyone about it. Put 4 in it I really like and you will probably be on the best seller list easily. Remember 2 hot chicks in hot scenes = great, 3 = wow, 4 = holy shit off the charts!!!! Since everyone has different tastes, it's hard to pull off but if you add more chicks you may easily hit a strong audience.

So my point is everyone has different tastes, the more hot girls, the more likely you are to catch at least 2 favorites and possibly even 3.

If you know you like POV, at that point it's about good camera angles from a reliable source and hot girls. After seeing the POV fantasy series I would NEVER miss a title that had a girl in it I like in a new POV Fantasy release. And that's just 1 girl. If it's 2, well I'm definitely there, no questions asked. Same with Twisted Vision POV. I love POV films and Fantasy POV and Twisted Vision POV are two extremely reliable POV lines. Brother Love and Michael Stefano really know how to do POV. You get really top quality stuff every time!!!

Hope this helps Jake.

Edited by - danceswithporn on 10/14/2006 7:45:50 AM

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I've seen a few POV DVDs from Bouncy Pictures and they were all excellent.
tritone
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Hey Jake! I will be happy to provide you feedback. You are one of the good POV shooters as evidenced by your scene in Swine's POV as well as your own flick, Jake Malone's POV .
#2 and #3 are almost "highly recommended", but there are little things that chipped away from keeping it at the very top. The Katja Kassin scene in #2 and Courtney CUmmz in #3 are both in the highly recommended category, however.

Faults in #2
- Bianca Pureheart scene is shot perfectly, but she doesn't seem to take the anal very well. It sounded like she was in pain and that was uncomfortable for me to watch.
-The doggie in the Angel Dark scene could have been better. She should have been more face down with her back arched so we got a better view of her ass. Also, she twists her body slightly to the right, so we don't get a nice, "balanced" view of her ass cheeks. Contrast this to how doggie is shot in Bianca's P.'s scene. She is face down, back arched, as s in the air, and is facing straight forward. This produces the best balanced view of the ass from doggie.
-I'm just not that big a fan of Melissa Lauren, and in her reverse cowgirl doggie she does not lean forward enough. She doesn't have a bubble butt type ass so this is not the best view for her
-Various problems with some of the doggie on Roxy Jezel. Mostly everything that was wrong in the Angel Dark doggie plus more.


Examples in #3
-No anal doggie in Tori Lane's scene. The vag doggie was good with the right body position (back arched, ass in the air). Erik should have continued on and done anal in that position. Of course maybe he did and it was edited.

-Would have liked to see reverse cowgirl anal with Tori Lane

- Alektra Blue is not positioned quite right in her doggie anal. Her back is more straight up and this gives us a more "top" view of her ass instead of the fuller view of her cheeks we could get if she was more face down to the bed and her back was arched. When you have a girl with a small, tight ass like Alektra, you have to get her face down so we can get the best view of those cheeks. Tony T. captures Alektra perfectly in Perveted Point of View #10 . I only wish she did anal in that scene!!! Its up to the director to tell the girl how to position her body!

-Rita Faltoyano's scene is very good, but her position in the reverse cowgirl anal is slightly off-center.

Hmmm.. Chemistry never hurts, of course. But there are more important "technical" things in POV to get right even before the chemistry element might come into play. I explain more later.
Exactly . And this is what I am trying to convey -- what those exact angles are and how to make the girls position their bodies within those angles. POV films fail when directors try to drift away from these locked shots because they have this misguided sense that the viewers need variety. Or that we have to see the girls face all the time .

POV porn is about forumla. Its about the same, perfect POV shots. All you have to do is change the girl around. Don't get fancy.

The biggest places directors screw up is in doggie and reverse cowgirl.

For doggie:

Doggie is all about getting that perfect full shot of the girls ass while also getting the best view of penetration. The Girl should be almost face down, looking straight ahead (face can be to the side, etc), ass in the air. Her legs should be outside of the guys, not the other way around. The dude should be bewteen her legs, shooting straight down the center at her ass with mostly medium shots. Occasional close ups (of peneteration or gapes) and long shots are okay.

Good examples:

-Any of the doggie fucking scenes from Brandon Iron's 50 to 1 series. Actually the very first girl in 50 to 1 #1 is a good example.
-Leah Stevenson in Swine's POV & Delilah Strong in Jake Malone's POV (:) )
-Teagan in EE's Anal P.O.V. #1
-Roxy Jezel in Twisted Vision #1
-Just about any of the doggie shots done by Tony T. in Perverted Point of View #7-#10.
-Tori Lane in POV Fantasy #1.
-Sunny Lane in About Face #2

For reverse cowgirl:

The best shot is the "straddle" shot. The guys legs are together (mostly). The girl gets on top of the cock, puts her knees on the floor and leans forward slightly while she grinds and fucks the dick.

Another good shot is the "seesaw" where the girl squats on the dick and goes up and down. It requires an atheltic girl who doesn't tire easily. Rodney Moore pioneered a lot of these kind of POV shots.

Good examples are in all of the highly recommended POV flicks from my previous post.

I know that some of this may seem like common sense to you and other POV shoots that "get it" (Stefano, Everhard, M. John, Tony T., Rodney Moore, etc). However, you'd be suprised how often these two above positions get messed up. What is often the case is that the shooter will get complacent in a position and not give direction to the girl to change her body to fit the right position. Even some of the best guys forget sometimes ....

Unfortunately, no. I know it must be hard because you are actually there doing the deed and trying to get the camera right too. But you are fucking for us more than yourself. Imagine what the viewer would feel like when a POV shooter loses control of doggie and shoots all close ups so that we never get to see the girls full ass in the frame.
You must resist the urge to just "go with the flow" and always be mindful that you are shooting are fuck flick. Later you can go back and jerk to your skillful management of pleasure and control.
Yes, mostly on the first one. But often the POV feel was "close enough". Also there is a nostalgia factor there cause it was one of the earlier POV titles.
I don't mind the "other guy" view as long as it simulates POV well. The camera should always look like it is coming from bewteen the viewers eyes. It should be centered looking straight down at the action. No sideways or weird angles.

Only a few people have captured this "other guy" view successfully. Robby D. does it almost perfectly in his Jack's POV series and his other POV titles: Throb and Pulse POV . When Naomi is getting doggie fucked in Jack's POV #2, it really looks like authentic POV. As long as it looks good and centered, I don't care about how it is done techinically.

The Peter North's POV series uses the "other guy" techinque and it works just fine for BJs and cowgirl/reverse cowgirl. However, it almost always breaks down for missionary and doggie. These shots almost always have a sideways tilt to them that really destroys the POV feel.

Edited by - tritone on 10/14/2006 10:09:49 AM

DancesWithPorn
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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 10:39AM
I agree with tritone! Also I would like to restate I really hate diagonal angles, it should be straight up and down. I like the suggestions on the seesaw and I like how he said the girls head should be a little down facing forward. I DON'T like seeing it all the way down. Well actually I do, but I'd prefer seeing the arch of her back some and the back of her head and long flowing hair. I think that's really sexy.

I also really like it when the girl tries to turn around and face the camera, or the over the shoulder look. I like it when the girl sucks on the guys fingers during a pounding.

Regarding positions, I am not super picky as long as it's a fully body shot. If the ass is tilted a little or she's laying on her side or whatever, I don't mind as long as I can see the fully body of penetration and her facial expressions.

Regarding Melissa Lauren, I think she is really sexy. She's beautiful and she's an excellent performer. The only thing I would say is she's been in some rough sex scenes via Service Animals. And anyone who has seen those excellent scenes and tunes into a softer POV scene won't be that impressed. Same thing for Hillary Scott. She does some wild shit in other films.

So I think if you are handling a more agressive girl in a POV scene you need to have an a lot more agressive POV scene. There has to be some really dirty dialogue to compensate for the perceived image of that girl. Cause If I watch her in another scene then come to your scene and see it softly done, I will think..what happened? She didn't seem into it.

Also for girls that have been in many scenes like a Melissa Lauren, you got to have some variety. Don't dare put her on camera all nude. That's like every other POV scene I have seen her in!! Put a skirt on her, a hat on her, have her suck the guy with glasses on, a colar around her neck, or at least some stockings on or something. Just my opinion. Make it stand out at every level. Clothing/Dialogue/Angles/Locations/Positions/etc.

Edited by - danceswithporn on 10/14/2006 10:46:14 AM

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Yeah, actually you are right. It doesn't necessarily have to be all the way down. As long as the back is arched so that the ass is turned "upwards", the shot looks good. For instance the ay Nautica was nailed doggie in Twisted Vision #2 (just one example from that great series)

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While I've probably seen the others mentioned and liked them, I know these are huge standouts. Multiple POV 1 has an absolute A+ #1 scene with 2 Asian chicks. OMG so good. And then POV Fantasy #4 has a break down and cry type of scene with a girl scout (over 18 of course!) and the guy. So fuckin' hot.
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I agree, that's the cream of the crop. There needs to be a lot more fantasy POV made!! I would really like to see a laundry mat POV scene. Girls with flip flops, pony tails, cotton shorts and a lot more groping. Have her in little cotton shorts as the guy walks up and grabs her ass as she turns around and goes "hey!" In a cute cheerleader type way and smiles.

Then she says, "don't stop" as he reaches around and starts fingering her in her shorts as she closes her eyes and starts breathing heavily. All in an arial view.

What I would love to see is a girl in cotton shorts with no panties underneath, get her cotton shorts pull to the side and fucked.

Plus more pulling down the panties/shorts/pants sex. Where it's pulled down just enough to stick it in, that's erotic. Or more skirts lifted up in a POV. I don't really recall much skirt POV scenes made. Or a POV scene on a trampoline.

More ponytails, more pigtails, more smiling and laughing during the sex. Just some fun pov. Lots more dialogue.

Oh yeah, and that girl scout scene was smoking!!!

Edited by - danceswithporn on 10/14/2006 4:47:07 PM

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Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 5:33PM
Wow tritone and dances' thanks!

A wealth of insight and suggestions! Thanks for taking the time.

I love pov, partly because I like "authentic gonzo" style porn.
The first porn I ever watched that actually "got" me was Stagliano's invention/popularization of the cameraman "established" in the scene, i.e., talking, reaching in, etc.

It still is what works best for me, as a viewer, which is why I do most of my porn that way.
I like the girls to look into the camera and interact, verbally/visually with me, (read: the viewer).

Some people feel the girl looking into the camera etc. makes it phony/contrived, like it's all an act. But it works for me so that's how I do it.

POV is the ultimate "gonzo" porn in a way.

I have no problem, as a viewer, if the camera is slightly "dutched" ( angled) so more can be fit on the screen and the shot can be tighter. It doesn't make me feel I have to tilt my head for my brain to translate what my eyes are seeing. But that's just me. Some people are bothered by this. I try to keep that in mind when shooting but usually I go into "instinct" mode when I'm shooting and just shoot it the way I want to see it.

As per the back arch in doggie pov, keep in mind some girls are just genetically built in a way that this comes easy, some aren't.

The best in the biz imo are Nautica and Bella. Belly button and nipples touching the floor, asshole pointed directly at the ceiling. It's a beautiful thing.
It's just how their built.

I really appreciate your opinions guys, thanks.


 
tritone
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Jamie Elle looked hot as hell in that one. I loved the anal cowgirl. Man, she's got a tight body.
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What's some of the best dirty talk you guys have seen in POV scenes? From which DVDs? Any recommendations Jake from stuff you've made?

I'm sure you have a few you know of tritone??

I really liked Naudia Nyce in Rain Coater's POV #2.

Edited by - danceswithporn on 10/14/2006 5:56:28 PM

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I would hope that Dirty Dan's POV Vol 1 from Mach 2 would make Tritones list once it comes out. I learned from the best (Mike John). The only problem with my POVs is that I was not blessed with a 10 inch cock. My selling point would be that consumers would like to see a guy with a "normal" sized cock, and that he was a little older and getting to bang these hot chicks and they could fantasize about it being them. That is hard to do when looking at Everhard's or Ferrara's big cocks. As for the dutch angle, sometimes it is necessary in order to get the whole girl's body in the shot. Or hire only small girls. At least they make the cock look bigger.
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When it comes to the male holding the camera, I think his camera techniques and lenses, his personality or the way he can get women to interact with him matters most to me. I haven't seen a whole lot of POV stuff, but I especially like early John Stagnolia or modern Mike John. I especially like Mike John's stuff. I really like the way he shoots, the way he interacts with the women, his taste in women, and his unique ability to give-up some control. I've seen some other stuff I like too, especially like some stuff I seen by Lex Steele. I think POV allows great views of the women's bodies and penetrated orifices, and I especially think it allows a unique view into the woman's eyes while she's being fucked that can literally drive me over the edge.

Truthfully I think very few are really good at POV Gonzo or Gonzo in general. If done right though, there is very little porn that can compete with it IMHO.

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Thanks, Tritone. Glad you can highly recommend 50 to 1 #1-3. Volume 4 has been turned in and should be out by November 23rd. I try to improve with each volume so I hope you like it. Enjoy.

This series is different from the others insofar as there is a mix of first timers, fairly new girls, and a few bigger names, too. With 50 girls in one movie, there is a lot of variety.

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I hate to say it but Mike Johns is a bit over-rated. I will give him credit. He picks very attractive girls, he does setup decent positions and all other things are great. But what really bothers me about his series is he doesn't hold any angles. I recently watched POV Pervert #5 and basically what I saw was some good titty fucking which was nice...but then he constantly shot the girl laying on her back on a bed which gets boring. It's not the best angle.

One angle that I really liked that he did was where the girl lays on her stomach flat on the bed with her legs together and he fucks her doggy. That was an amazing angle because it shows her ass sticking up and with her legs together you would naturally assume it's a lot tighter. That seems great.

The problem is he doesn't hold the angle that long. The best position he could possibly do or that I think he did, and he doesn't keep it there that long. I could only assume because it's more difficult to do. Also he has a horrible habbit of zooming and panning all over the place. To her face, to the penetration, and then too far out.

That's very bad camerawork for a POV film I think. I've seen non POV films with more full body shots held longer.

I will say though that the bonus scene of Penny Flame did seem to work with all the zooming and panning because she looked unbelievably tight. Her facial expressions where amazing and her body and face is very nice. So in all honesty, I don't think he could have fucked that up!

The part where she is riding it where she's basically squatting was great. What I really hate though is the cowgirl position where the girl leans back. I think that's the ugliest position in a POV/porn flick. I think the goal should be to make the girl look as flawless with a tight body as possible. You hold one position where her body looks tight and then move to the cowgirl position with her leaning back and now she looks like a slab of meat and all the flab is more noticable. It's just not as attractive and it's always at a slower pace with less dialogue. I really hate that position and he does it too much.

So overall I would say he's really over-rated. His scenes are all nude. He zooms and pans around WAY too much and he puts himself down before the scene starts which is depressing. I was a little disappointed seeing girls trying to titty fuck him that didn't know how. The dick just kept popping out. I felt like saying, STOP THE CAMERA, so they could fucking rehearse how it's done or something.

I think the POV fantasy series really blows his work away. The Twisted Vision series blows his stuff away. Now with that said, I think he could make some really excellent stuff. And he has but overall I'm not into it as much. I really loved the Penny Flame scene he did. It seemed for the most part really good. But there was just so much of it that I would change.

I'd stop all the zooming and panning and show more full body shots. I'd have the girls more clothed before the scenes start. A bj is hotter if she's wearing something because it looks like a girl you just met. It sets the mood. If she's all nude, what's the mood?

With POV fantasy you get all of that. There is a good buildup. His buildup was him talking about how he's 38 years old and ugly and how he's surprised she even wants to have sex with him. I mean seriously, what the fuck is that?

Aplus
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 2:25PM
I guess different strokes for different folks. Like I said, I don't watch much POV stuff in general. From a strictly visual standpoint, it can be pretty limiting. Just not as easy to hold a camera and fuck as some probably think. POV Pervert 5 is by far my favorite among that Mike John series that I've seen. Not to give way too much information and creep-anybody-out, but every last scene in that movie did it for me personally. Every last one of them, and there are few films where I could say that. While I do appreciate a nice setup and buildup to scenes usually, sometimes less pretense is preferred. And I do appreciate Mike's self-deprecation sense-of-humor before and during the scene. I personally get tired of all the egotistical and macho BS from certain male pornstars. Mike comes across as a real person, and his scenes tend to have more of a realistic feel to them, well to me anyway. Now I would never confuse him with a Jules Jordan, Justin Slayer, or Joey Silvera, but when I wanna see something by them guys, I'll get it.

Just might be a question of different tastes too. Mike also seems to have a nack for casting women that really do it for me. Not all are technically the beauty ideal, but then again, that has never bothered me before. Casting is probably the most important thing for me personally, and I find most filmmakers lack an ability to cast correctly.

I'm not all that crazy about different or even crazy camera angles. For the most part, I just prefer the camera to concentrate on the woman long enough for me to get a good view. All that artistic stuff probably does it for most others, but for me, the more basic the better.

mod: removed unnecessary quote of previous post. Please only quote if you want to extract a relevant portion of another poster's comments. Reposting the whole thing just makes the thread harder to navigate.

Edited by - hardware on 10/19/2006 3:15:28 PM

DancesWithPorn
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Why say no, when it feels so good to say yes.
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 3:47PM
Well if you watch it again, try to notice how often the camera moves. It's on the penetration, it's on her face, penetration, face, penetration, face...it just keeps moving every 4 seconds. It's like you are rocking in a boat in the ocean until you say.."let me off this boat before I throw up."

I think he does that to develop a sense of transition in the sex and to also create the illusion of the sex getting intense.

The smarter way to develop transition is to have the girl do something. Have her say something, move in a certain way, have the action speed up while maintaining the full body shot.

Could you imagine watching a mainstream hollywood movie and the camera guy doing that. It would drive people fucking crazy. Show the actresses crotch, her face, her crotch, her face, zoom out, her face, her crotch...fuck!!!

That's not how it should be done I'm sorry. I like looking at the girls ass, but I hate it when they just show the ass penetrated. Where did the ass come from..oh yeah it's attached to her back..and she has a head.

He should ask himself, can anyone get off to just her face. If so, well what the fuck do they need him for? Why buy a movie. Can anyone get off to just seeing her ass penetrated, zoomed in on...maybe...if you left it there long enough. The truth is..it's not a 7 second arousal feature. You don't show her ass and everybody just pops at the sight of it. Like wow..it's an ass and it's being penetrated..pop! NO..it takes more effort in the arousal process.

Erotica is a package. Her facial expressions + her tits + her sexy stomach + her sexy outfit + her dialogue + the penetration = strong lust.

Now if you just take her ass..it may equal slight arousal. Or just her face..ok it's pretty. But lots of guys like to save the pop for something more special. Keep in mind we watch a lot of porn, we see porn on the internet for free. If we want 5 second clips strung together..there is the internet for unlimited free clips.

I'm just so disappointed with how he handled it. I would have really like him to show some stamina. If he doesn't hold the angle and position until he's about to pop..how does he expect us to? Where does he think people are popping? Just on her face. Does he think all the stuff in the middle is nothing and that I'm timing my pop with his in the end on her face? Cause I'm not.

It's the sex that's the real value. When Penny Flame is riding him while he is laying on the ground..and she is squatting over him and he shows her full body as she slightly leans forward having sex..that is incredible. I think in many ways it's so incredible and so hard work that it only lasts a few seconds before she leans back into a lazy cowgirl position. That lazyness is what makes porn shit. I don't want to see that shit. I say have her stay in the BEST possible positions. I mean he's a guy, he knows what looks amazing and what looks less amazing. Hold the amazing as long as you can, and while she is squatting like that have her say stuff, squeeze her tits, lick her lips, etc. Just keep it transitioning in that amazing shot. Don't pussy out and let her drop back in something easier, or stop the action because you are about to cum. Well shit, if you are about to and you stop..we were about to also. You just killed the best thing so you could get it together.

In the end you see how he maneuvers the camera and full body shots are where he holds the camera up high in the air with his hands. I guess that stretching above his head for more than 20 seconds at a time is too much work for him. It's too exausting. So instead he drops his arms and just rocks the camera back and forth on her head and ass like a drunk man with a body part fetish.

Instead he should just leave it somewhere. That's the problem with shooting it yourself I guess. The whole time he is probably worried that the camera angle is bad. So he constantly drops his hands to check. Am I showing enough face, enough penetration...so he's contantly rotating from actor to director mode.

I would much rather him set it up at the precise right angle and then focus more on the acting/sex. Grab her hips and dig in, have her say more, have her roll her hips more, put some effort into it. It's just boring.

Do some rehearsing or something before. Tell her what you want. Tell her that the angles you want require a little more but the finished product will look amazing. Tell her that's what you are trying to create...amazing. Not just sex..not just another video but some really great quality.

She'll have to squat longer, she'll have to hold her legs together longer, she'll have to remember her lines and say more, she'll have to stay active during the sex. It's going to be a full body experience.

Instead what you get is her laying on her back on a nice soft bed and just taking it. Bounce the camera around a little and you got another mediocre production.

It is just so disappointing to see. I'll stop there cause I'm sure you get the point. Watch it again and you'll see what I mean. Like I said before..titty fucking where the dick keeps popping out is like sex where the dick keeps popping out. It's bad porn and shouldn't happen. It's not like you can't start over, rehearse it a little, or do it right. But does he? Jules Jordan wouldn't allow that to happen. He would edit that shit right out.

All I'm asking for is just a little more effort.

Edited by - hardware on 10/19/2006 3:51:35 PM

DancesWithPorn
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 4:11PM
The real question is, how should that 20 minute time alotment be handled?

This is the basic formula for every scene.

2 minute - intro/tease
2 minute - bj intro with titty fucking
1 minute - pop shot/closing tease

That leaves around 15 minutes for sex. If you hold each angle for about 1 minute..that's possibly 15 angles/positions! You could fuck her with one leg raised, both legs raised, from behind on her stomach, from behind with her ass in the air, from behind with her on all fours, against a wall, with her squatting...I mean shit you could do everything.

And what you'd get is 15 solid angles/positions. Held for 1 minute each. Whatever your sexual angle/position fetish..you'd get a solid minute to enjoy it.

If you want to see her ass jiggle while being penetrated, and see the camera just zoomed on her ass..well you got 1 solid minute of it.

Do you see what I'm saying. That's a lot! 1 minute is enough to pop. So it's like getting attacked 15 times with hardcore erotica. 15 sex scenes strung together. You pass the first few..and you think those are hot but lets hold off to see something hotter..then it comes along and you lose it. WOW..that's the one you think. Which one...doesn't matter. There are 15 there to choose from.

You cover all your bases. That's how I would make a POV film. I would focus on the positions/angles and transition them with dialogue.

Like it was said, some people like the seesaw position. Some like to see her on her stomach with her legs together. Some may like the cowgirl position. There are enough minutes in the scene to do all of those if done properly. Full body, at certain angles, try to hold them for at least 1 minute.

Hell even it it's 30 seconds, that possibly 30 different clips strung together in a 15 minute allocation.

You show her face, the penetration, the face, the penetration...nobody can enjoy the angle.

The way I see it, you watch until you see something that makes you go WOW. That wow is like what you are locked in on. It might be the seesaw, it might be her squatting down, it might be her jiggling ass getting pounded. So once you are locked in and think..I am going to pop to this..this is the shot...then they move the camera...well it's gone.

I think they got to realize that..that is how people watch porn. 5 scenes in a row...which one does someone pop to? Well..the first thing they see that amazes them. Whatever it is..you better hold it there long enough.

Since you don't know what that exactly is because people are different..you string together quality in a reasonable time frame. 30 seconds to 1 minute at a time+.

I don't see why a full body frame couldn't be held for 3 minutes straight or 5 minutes straight. In many ways I'm shocked how the sex doesn't just go solid...pounding for 5 minutes straight. There is always a break in there. Can't the guys go for 3-5 minutes straight without stopping?

It's just fascinating, sometimes I wonder what the directors like Mike Johns even thinks. Why does he do it that way? I'm sure he has his reasons.

Aplus
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5/05
Posted - Oct 20 2006 : 2:34AM
Well I wasn't trying to hi-jack this thread, I was just telling the original poster what I personally liked. You guys look like you've watched way more POV than I have, so I can't speak on it at the level you can. I'm sure guys like Mike welcome the constructive criticism, although I personally don't think he needs to change a thing. It's all good in this hood!

I just saw Anal POV Sluts by Steve Holmes, and I really enjoyed it also. Steve and Flower Tucci blew me away!

 
Steve Holmes
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Posted - Oct 20 2006 : 4:39AM
Thank you!
Aplus
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1431 Posts
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Posted - Oct 21 2006 : 11:19PM
Hey I should thank you! I should also say that I really liked the behind-the-scenes in that film.
anal_freak
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time to move
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12/07
Posted - Jan 7 2008 : 9:30AM
I only know the first 3 parts of RDLS raincoaters and 2 dvds of Sineplex POV (its not real pov)..and all where good..Sineplex has a grat picture quality and young and innocent girls in it...
Loraine
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3/04
Posted - Jan 8 2008 : 7:49AM
Manuel Ferrara's POV 2 has some good fun in it - it's the first POV DVD I've watched, my sweetheart and I watch it quite regularly. Now I know that Manuel is so good looking I'm going to have to get hold of some non POV DVD's with him in it.
LubeNLuv
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1854 Posts
3/06
Posted - Jan 8 2008 : 9:01AM
I'm late to this thread, but had a question about this scene. I love role-play in the bedroom, particularly involving costumes. I bought one of the POV Fantasy movies (I think it was POV Fantasy 2) and although I loved the setups and costumes, Brother Love's idea of "fun" involves ball torture....beating them, twisting them, etc. That's a huge turnoff for me.
The scene with the over-18 girl scout....is he still doing stupid testicle tricks?
sway25
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1/08
Posted - Jan 8 2008 : 9:28AM
The Redlight District series are the best as always.
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Oblivious

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1/03
Posted - Jan 8 2008 : 10:47AM
He seems to only do it to the full extent with one girl in one scene per movie. I don't think that one was it. But this movie might be the one where they let a toilet seat drop down on his sack. It's in the bonus features though.
The girl scout scene is hot - I don't even remember who the girl is - anyone? Don't think that she breaks down and cries - when I said that up there I meant that you, the viewer, would break down and cry because it's such a good scene.
leatherdick
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Posted - Jan 8 2008 : 12:01PM
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chupacabras
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Posted - Jan 8 2008 : 2:53PM
Ferrara's POV 1 is also highly recommended. His 'Fucked on Sight' POV series has been a bit patchy so far though...
monkey power
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Tim?
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1/03
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 4:21PM
Double Vision (Everhard's) stood out because of the cast my god the cast.
It didn't turn out to be the greatest thing ever, but hey it's got Shyla / Roxxx / Love twins / Lindsey Meadows (whom I now like because of the BTS) / and my god Renna Ryann who takes my frickin breath away here like 13 times but she doesn't get fucked nearly hard enough in this one but my god she's the new hot one I'll totally be watching for in new releases now along with Carmen McCarthy who isn't in this movie but my god the face on that one! So to recap, this was a half-assed endorsement of Double Vision, a movie that took a valiant stab at greatness, which is better than can be said of most other titles.
 
tankdog
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 11:36AM
Great thread, will check out some of the suggestions in it.



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