Normally I'd post something like this to the Feature Side Forum, but recent threads on moist women, real female orgasms, and boring gonzo suggest that some of you who avoid features like the plague might enjoy this clip.
This is a three minute tease clip from our upcoming film Ashely and Kisha: The Right Fit . The title is take from Kisha's account of how, prior to meeting Ashley, she couldn't imagine that lesbian sex could possibly do anything for her; and how once she experienced what sex was like with Ashley, she realized what had been missing from her sex life, both physically and emotionally.
In particular, in this clip Kisha explains how her first night with Ashley totally changed her perspective on finger fucking. (Warning: Entertaining as it is, this clip may make heterosexual men feel insecure.)
I like the clip very much, I think they're sweet and hot.
TonyC wrote
Lucky I'm not a heterosexual man then… I am married to one though. Maybe he was a lesbian in a past life because he's perfected a hand technique that only be classified as spectacular. I do believe it's learnable. My fave 56 page thread at Lit on perfecting your GSpot/handjob technique was apparently inspired by a conversation with a mature lesbian willing to share her knowledge. Careful Comstock -- you'll be getting educational in a minute...
After hearing Kisha go on and on, I was tempted to ask Ashley if she'd take Mrs.C in the back room for a quick tutorial. And not too long ago I recieved e-mail from a woman who asked (in all sincerity) if Ashley was available for consultations.Easy now, there's no call to get nasty.
These lesbiens , huh . Next thing you know they'll be saying they can do without men altogether ! Hold me KPerv . Lower , lower , a little lower . That's the spot !
Well, it's very noticeable in the sex bits, where the sound is turned way up so the ambient noise becomes distracting. Nasty acoustics in that room.
Did you use an extra microphone in the interview segment? Much nicer sound there. The upper frequencies are a bit muted, but that's probably just a sideeffect of downsampling the audio for the trailer. The DVD is no doubt better in that regard. That might well also be the reason for why Kisha's voice has a nails-across-a-blackboard effect on me. ::shiver::
Ashley's awfully cute though. It just dawned on me, who her cute facial mannerisms reminded me off: Holly Marie Combs.
I'll say it again: good ear. Your perceptions about the upper frequencies are dead on. I don't have much left at the upper end (Adolescence + Les Paul+ Marshall half-stack). I'm going to recompressing the clip using a different audio compression strategy. I'm curious whether or not you can 1) hear a difference, 2) tell me what the cause of difference is.
As to the DVD, I certainly hope it will sound better! The only treatment the audio has had so far is a little balancing for the sake of this clip. Sweetening is a crucial part of the finishing process.
Not really that good. But as you found out the hard way with M&J , I can bitch it up with the worst of them when it comes to technical aspects of my porn. No quarter given!
If we ever get smello-vision, I'll no doubt be complaining if the stink of man-ass intrudes on the precious girly scents.
OK. If you post a link to the new clip when ready, I'll give it a try.
Is the audio in the original digitised version sampled at the usual DVD rate of 48kHz? If so, you might want to keep that rate, instead of resampling at 32kHz as in the current clip.
What's up now is the new clip. The first one you bitched about was resampled to 24kHz mono with no compression. This version is 32kHz mono with mp4 compression.
But are you sure about those numbers? The old version I bitched about had a 32kHz samplerate and MPEG4 compression too. I've still got it on my hard drive, and I just checked.
Anyway, there's a huge improvement with the newest one. The metallic echo is gone. The upper frequencies are still a little muted, but nowhere near as much as before, and no problem at all for an Internet bandwidth trailer. Kisha's voice still grates on me, but that's a personal preference and silly nitpicking.
The acoustics in the room weren't the greatest, but that can't be helped. I realise the volume in the sex bits has to be set high to bring out their voices.
I've no idea what features your editing software has, but could some tight digital band-pass filters possibly cut out the cameras and the general background hiss, without affecting their voices and breathing?
Please don't take my bitching too serious. Loraine, Linda, and Lindi (a pattern?) liked it, and M&J made it clear that I'm not in the potential target audience anyway.
I'm told that FCP has all sorts of audio capacity, but I think the real issue is the operator, which is why the audio will got out to a specialist (probably running some variety of Pro-Tools) once the editing is done.
Oh you blokes with your technical comewhatzitcalledsoundcatcherthingo talk -- we're talking about super dooper extra fantabulous mind blowing orgasms that'll send a girl into orbit -- try capturing the sound of that in outta space!
lindi the Lit link -- it's a week of reading but worth a dip into. link
I'm not usually moved a great deal by any of the girl/girl scenes I've watched in porn. However the two clips from the gadfly I watched in the last couple of months, including the rather good face rocking action in the Kisha and Ashley clip and a another test shoot for Tina and Jenn -- have both created a distinctly good feeling in places where it is good to feel good.
whatever, kperv ...all I know is that scene looks delish to me - as do the two women. And I've gotta throw myself in with those that don't normally go ga-ga over girl-girl stuff: but when they are two sexy women like this and the sex is genuine - not Playboy male-fantasy lesbian sex - it can really be a turn-on.
Sorry but these real lesbians don't turn me on , they need to change to suit my tastes more . I'm a simple man with simple tastes . I like my bread : brown , my cricket : sunny , and my lesbians : lipstick . Make it so , TC .Too much chocolate ?
Filmmaking is a hypertechical art-form, so the comewhatzitcalledsoundcatcherthingos matter – they matter a lot. And lowbudget filmmaking is always a question of how much you can ask you audience to overlook for the sake of enjoying what you have to offer. Recording the sounds of "real sex" in real locations is probably the most challenging aspect of what we do, because "real sex" tends not to have a continuous sound track of "oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah" to cover up room noise, crew noise, camera noise, and extranious noise. As a producer the most difficult aspect is balancing how much I feel we can intrude on our couple vs. how much it will cost to fix it after the fact.
As far as technical specifics, the sex scene was miced with a Sennhieiser K-6 w/short shotgun capsule. The interview was miced with the same only using lav. capsules. Everything was recorded at 48kHz.
To my mind, a bigger problem than the absolute level of the ambient noise in the sex scene is the difference between the room tone of the sex scene and the interview. The pronounced difference highlights the noisiness of the sex scene. Once a sound repair specialist has done everything she can to quiet the sex scene, we'll probably lay some of that back under the interview to balance the two. It's a time-honored way to fool the audience's ear, and sometimes works.
On the purely creative side, I am particularly pleased that people who say they don't normally like g/g stuff like this clip. It's no great trick to please a double anal fan with a double anal video (they'll overlook a lot for a clear shot of two dicks in one ass). It's a lot more fun to show people something they don't think would do much for them, and end up surprising them by making them wet (or hard). I'm still looking forward to making a spitting, slapping, double anal, chock-fest that works Dumblonde into a finger-fucking-fury.
If I felt any more manly I'd turn into King Kong . In fact I'm having to fight the urge to climb a tall building and swat away bi-planes right now ! Though there is something about girls doing it better among themselves which could be threatening to a hetro fella . If I wasn't a love God , that is . Yeah . Then I could see how it would unman someone . Not me though . Nope . Not me .
When is this 2nd lesbo lovathon due out ? There's no mention on the upcoming releases page .
I'm no technical whiz - obviously - but can't you just separate out the background noise from the sex scenes , duplicate it , and then add it to the interview footage ? Or does that all require ultra expensive kit ?
Good. You won't be alone. The whirring just caught my attention because I expected modern mobile film cameras to be better soundproofed. Just surprised me.
Anyway, as I said, you wont be alone in liking this movie. Even though it won't be for me, lots of people will enjoy it. Marie & Jack's rave reviews are a clear indication of that.
Still, no studio's style will appeal to everone. Comstock is no exception to that.
I love that they're trying something different, and wish them the best of luck. Otherwise I wouldn't try to point out possible areas of improvement, such as the trailer's sound problems. You won't catch me suggesting alternate slapping angles and better ways to highlight the subtle hues of vomit to Khan Fusion.
Some future Comstock projects might be more up my alley. As long as they're not a slapping, DAPing chokefest , I'll certainly check out the trailers.
Personally, M&J's style of editing, camera handling, and shot framing drove me up the wall, and completely overshadowed any positive aspects of the sex. Judging by this trailer, the heavier film cameras do seem to force a steadier style of camera handling more to my liking.
When I eventually pull my finger out, and do my reviewing duty, I'll probably dig out M&J again, and throw in one for that too, as I think honest alternate points of view can be quite helpful.
If it hadn't been for a select few reviewers listing their reservations with some of Mason's movies, I might have bought one, and no doubt come away with a sick feeling in my gut.
And again: Ashley is cute!
So that's why you've got a big 'O' in your ADT moniker.
The sound will go out to a specialist who will quell as much of the extranious noise as possible. Then we'll take the bit of that audio that was recorded in the clear (room tone+camera noise, no sex noises) and lay that back under the interview. That will reduce the aural difference between the two set-ups and make the extranious noise in the sex scene less obvious. Did that make sense?
Of course we could have avoided all the trouble by shooting video , but I don't know if HBO would be showing as much interest in yet another shot-on-video sex scene.
HBO ?! Horay for Tony ! You may not believe this but for once I've shed my protective layer of sarcasm and am genuinely happy for ya . Nice work . :)
I did say I wasn't a technical whiz .
KP , the O is a reminder that I've lost count of my numerous conquests . It is not the number of dipers left in the cupboard , or even a foreteller of what your bootie's about to look like !
They don't – yet. I'm trying to give them a reason to start. In case you haven't heard, there's a culture war on in this country. I'm just trying to do my part.
Kperv wrote...I'm supposed to be gone fishing but before I do -- Xana and Dax is a very different film to Marie and Jack. I feel a bit mean comparing - sort of like comparing children of the same family, but X and D is a polished production with a much broader cinematic almost theatrical feel, a lot less "close" than Marie and Jack with smooth transitions and some very nice sex too.
Trying to bring around a big league outfit like HBO? Ambitious, I must say.
Doing your bit? Tony C, porn warrior?
AdDicTed?Not framed so claustrophobic? Hmm. Nah, I don't think I'll chance it. The whole interview->sex->interview->sex doesn't quite click with me. Happy fishing. Remember to maintain a good grip on the rod when working it.
[ invalid url ] and Jeff & Hunter were both shot at a house belonging to the first couple Mrs.C and I ever tested with. The day of the shoot was the day that crazy blizzard blew in. Ashley and Kisha couldn't get a flight back home, and Jeff and Hunter couldn't get a cab back to the subway to get back to Mahattan. Skronker got a ride back to Brooklyn with our make-up artist, which I heard took an hour (should be about 10 minutes.) By the time we packed out there was about 18 inches of snow on the ground, and what should have been a 15 minute right back to our apartment took nearly 2 hours. It was crazy.
squashed to hell with a very average codec, that's better than a scary amount of what passes as mpeg-2 for the redlights and pxps out there. congrats, it may not be completely up my alley, but it's a quality product. which begs the question of what other people are doing that lc-aac at that bitrate exhibits that little more clipping over something that's got gigs of space to make sure it doesn't. along with a few things from private, that's one of the few things i've seen that looks like the dvd offers an advantage in quality over the ubiquitous 650mb xvid on p2p stuff. part of the reason porn's going to continue to get killed by filesharing is because it's such an inferior product there's no advantage in paying for the original, this may be an exception. just get a skinny 18-year old blonde and have some parolees shitbeat her and you're golden. on second hand, how clearly and vibrantly do we really want to see the first 14 inches of her gi tract through a well-lit disfigured bunger? joking. anyhow, kudos dude.
