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BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 |  Posted - Jan 26 2009 : 11:46PM[Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 12:10AM Well that was my first pussy pump title,i am now officially out of control the next step is sniffing glue lol.This title had it all,from the lavish settings to the badly dubbed English voice overs to the fantastic anal sex scenes and that saxaphone music lol,pussy pumping,nipple pumps,penis pumping to kebab induced lips.There was face fucking,gagging,light slapping and spit play,toys,gaping,a speculum scene,i think only one scene had vag sex. The first 3 scenes were great the girls were hot and if you like hard anal action and you like a laugh thrown in then the old gammon flaps getting pumped up will have you shouting out wtf.This is one for all the family to sit down and enjoy,forget charades for some bonding time with the family just hold up this title and shout out "Pussy pumping anyone" and watch them eat up all there vegetables and rush to get the best seat at the television.This was like watching 3 or 4 movies in the one,give pussy pumping a try or your money back.lol [Link] |
| Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 8:44AM The female talent as a whole, had always been afforded, and shown considerable care, and while the actual sex that took place may have been more physically demanding, if not arguably brutal at times, with its oldschool anal poundings, there was still a policy of gentleness, that was practiced, and widely respected throughout the profession. Less enjoyable to perform? Perhaps, but from my perspective, there was simply less BS that got in the way. Perhaps it marked the End of Innocence for Porn, but whatever the case, to the delight of a seemingly broad base of fans, along with a solid percentage of the performing talent, the kid gloves came off. The arrival of the edgier, rough style approach was ushered in, by way of a surprisingly unified, industry wide sanctioning, and granting of two significant new liberties to the male talent. One was their voice. and the other was their new interactive behavior. Both of which had previously been, virtually non-existent. Thing is, most act as if there was never much of a separation of the "rough" style, and its preceeding version prior, but there was once an undeniable distinction between the two, and most any pornshop owner made sure of it. Any titles hinting at rough behavior, were commonly grouped together, and filed under "S&M", or DOM, with a surprising degree of diligence. Its interesting how it crawled into the mainstream, quietly, under the guise of "extreme", rather than heralding its own distinctive call sign. This, particularly when every other subjective gradient to come down the pike, has trumpeted its arrival with its own personalized calling card. Creampies, POV, Milfs, reality, Big Ass. There have been a few titles, denoting the rough theme, but most seem to have appeared well after the infiltration period. Personally, my only beef with it, is the role has created an in picture director. One generally with attitude, that given the option, I'd prefer not hear. A role that appears to have been cut, directly out of the anal content, that I once paid to see, and enjoyed. Now, instead of uninterrupted anal fucking, I find a consistent appearance of more ATM, vag fucking, and male voiced direction. Edited by - Endless Loop on 1/27/2009 8:56:19 AM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 11:52AM That's not porn. That's assault and there are laws against it. [Link] |
| porndude Member 88 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 12:09PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 12:11PM It might be PLAYING at being abusive, but it's not abuse. [Link] |
| Knuckle Kids Deactivated User 287 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 1:46PM Starring in a Max film is the equivalent of an unknown actress starring in a "Saw" "Hostel" or "Friday the 13th" movie. She may or may not go on to bigger things. Lots of porn girls have done a Max shoot more than once and gone onto bigger and better. Edited by - knuckle kids on 1/27/2009 3:39:51 PM [Link] |
| stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 3:33PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 3:48PM I'm not talking about her liking or disliking something... I'm talking about consent. If there's consent, then yes, it's fantasy... If there's no consent, then it's assault. If someone consents to do something they don't like, well, that's their own damn problem.... That's between them, their bank account, and their conscience... [Link] |
| Big Raider Fan Member Ready and willing 133 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Jan 27 2009 : 6:39PM I should not have read that at work - that was one of the funniest reviews I have read![Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 1:04AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 1:07AM Further discussion not needed, we will never be able to agree on a definition of "extreme porn". [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 1:25AM 2. So. If a man takes a woman out for drinks, they go back to his place and he pulls his dick out, it's abuse? 3. I agree that the people involved should all understand one another going in and there shouldn't be any nasty surprises. But you are speaking in absolute terms and I think that's ridiculous. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/28/2009 1:36:41 AM [Link] |
| echoplex Member 197 Posts 9/08 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 2:17AM The only thing I don't entirely agree on is the term abuse. Technically it is even if they consent, but who the hell cares? Everyone wins because everyone enjoys themselves in their own way (performers and viewers). [Link] |
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| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 9:47AM Different places have different definitions of "Under The Influence".Depends if she's intoxicated or not.... Either way, taking the situation as read, it's a pretty uncouth move... [Link] |
| RevCo Member Pot 'n' Porn Party (PPP) 40 Posts 9/08 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 4:37PM juha wrote: >>I don't care what you fantasize about but as soon as it is put on DVD it isn't a fantasy anymore. It's harsh reality. Hmm, I mean I wanted Star Wars to come out on DVD, but the only 'harsh reality' was in recognizing that George Lucas wasn't as clever or talented as I wanted him to be. >>Because you spent your dollar in reality and not only in your fantasy you reinforce producers making women suffer. Juga - please send me some of whatever you are smoking.... But let me try to understand. I think this is what you are trying to say: "don't fantasize about anything that could result in someone making a DVD of the fantasy AND, in the making of this DVD, any of the performers could be put into any type of duress irrespective of the 'social acceptance' of the act in question (so, for example, 'two girls one cup' is much less socially acceptable than a 'kiss on the cheek', BUT if the woman who had to give a kiss on the cheek was put into duress in having to produce this act then, in fact, the kiss becomes EXTREME PORN!)" [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 7:51PM Some performers seem to genuinely enjoy working for Kink, not feeling degraded or genuinely hurt even when they're chained up and whipped. Does that mean that such scenes don't count as "extreme"? On the other hand, there are a soft core models who've describing simply posing in the nude as extremely degrading and damaging. For example, the hardest porn Sarah Katherine Lewis (the anti-porn "former porn performer" who appeared in The Price of Pleasure) ever did was a couple of solo masturbation scenes. Do her feelings somehow make those scenes "extreme"? [Link] |
| porndude Member 88 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 28 2009 : 9:11PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 5:26AM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 10:05AM [Link] |
| Ida Lupino Deactivated User 429 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 10:36AM Moral standards just don't apply to porn, or even to art in general. The foundations of evolving moral systems rest on a complex process that sustains and preserves the human species. This is a dynamic process that drives the creation of moral and ethical standards. Every human action inspires a corresponding reaction whether subtle in nature or violent. Some people are more emotionally reactive than others. Emotions can get out of control if not regulated by laws, customs, moral codes, professional codes and even the rules of etiquette. Rules are a stabilizing force that enhance the survivability of individuals, families and nations. Mathematically, the initial point* evident in human behavior is the survival of the species. It is defined and redefined in many ways, such as a concern for public safety. The complexity of this process cannot be understated, and it is best described by cybernetic science. There is a considerable difference between the static term "moral standards" and the cybernetic process that creates them. A basic understanding of this process can be conveyed through a series of illustrations: For example, the evolution of traffic laws demonstrates the creation of standards of vehicular conduct directly related to public safety. Public safety itself is dedicated to increasing human survival on the highways. If an action on the highway consistently leads to unnecessary pain, suffering and death, it is an action discouraged by new rules and regulations designed to prohibit it. Thus, by the destructive consequences of human actions, the notion of "right" and "wrong" evolves. The standards of vehicle codes integrate seamlessly into cultural morality as illustrated by the example of consuming alcohol while driving an automobile. Here, the standards of behavior are statistical in nature. The probability that any outcome will occur is ranked from the first standard deviation to the fourth. Some of the facts surrounding alcohol abuse go back thousands of years. Alcohol has long been known to have a profound affect on human thinking. The destructive tendencies alcohol motivates is compounded in multiples if you add the simultaneous emotions that, for example, come from the breakup of a romantic relationship—or stress from the workplace. Put job and family problems together with a fifth of 100-proof alcohol and a fast car traveling 10 miles across crowded city streets, and you have the formula for a very likely accident. This destructive behavior conflicts with a fundamental value—self-preservation—and the preservation of others in society. So in time, rules evolve to restrict drinking and driving. Every time there is a tragedy produced by alcohol abuse, it reinforces and perpetuates a long history of the moral sentiments and laws relating to the use of alcohol [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18635 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 12:00PM [Link] |
| porndude Member 88 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 3:07PM [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 5:35PM That being said, I don't think males who like extreme hardcore are misogynistic. For one thing, the girls in those scenes actually volunteered to do them, so it is something they like. When I think of misogyny, things like pay inequality and culturally mandated suffering (high heels, breast enhancements) come more readily to mind. Now, I am most emphatically not saying anything against any particular performer who has chosen to get augmentations. That is their choice and not mine. What I am condemning is the culture wherein "beautiful=big, fake breasts" is so infused that women, whether they realize it or not, feel that they have to comply with this cultural mandate. [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 12:21AM I didn't mean to rip you at all SunShowers, I really enjoy your input. I have enjoyed everybodies input on this thread, What I don't understand is the "What makes your opinions better than anybody elses" idea. There seems to be a certain amount of "guilt" associated with some posts concerning liking "extreme" hardcore.
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| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18635 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 1:50AM Is that somehow different from liking underage girls? I would take your statement a step further (and at the same time, a step back). If you like underage girls, then you like underage girls. See a therapist? Why? They probably won't be able to do anything for you, if all the current research about pedophilia is correct. But don't watch Max Hardcore movies, because that certainly won't help your situation. [edit: Breeze deleted the stuff I was responding to from his post above. Now my post makes it seem like I have voices in my head or something.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 2/1/2009 4:08:01 AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 4:26AM Edited by - randomprecision on 1/30/2009 9:41:35 AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 9:10AM When gladiators fought to the death in an amphitheatre in Rome the audience was excited. But was it good entertainment? How did the people who were killed for entertainment feel about it? I think I made my point with my very first post in this thread. If the performer only agreed to do the scene because she desperately needed the cash then it is extreme. If she is pushed to do more than she agreed to then it's even more extreme. It is not the sexual act that defines extreme, it is the situation and the performer's perception.Absolutely. And I'm sure some strange guys got off of the idea that she felt degraded. [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 2:10PM How can a viewer possibly tell whether the porn they're watching is "extreme" or not? It's not a label that someone can apply to a scene without knowing the thoughts of every performer in it. [Link] |
| SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 3:41PM Not really. I think genocide and serial murder are despicable and motivated by mental sickness. I also think Max Hardcore-type sex is despicable and motivated by mental sickness. They're all three negative things that, as I said in the OP, bother me by existing. I was making a point. And I think you're smart enough to understand that point without my having to explain it to you. [Link] |
| SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 3:49PM I would take your statement a step further (and at the same time, a step back). If you like underage girls, then you like underage girls. See a therapist? Why? They probably won't be able to do anything for you, if all the current research about pedophilia is correct. But don't watch Max Hardcore movies, because that certainly won't help your situation." Yes. Perfectomundo! [Link] |
| SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 3:50PM [Link] |
| shadows Member 17 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 7:21PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 8:10AM Edited by - randomprecision on 1/31/2009 8:18:06 AM [Link] |
| SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 11:20AM YET AGAIN, I repeat that I never said ANYTHING about keeping people from watching this type of porn. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 4:16PM We know the government watches the industry. And we also know they watch guys like Max probably more closely than anyone. We might reasonably conclude that if there was ANY real question of consent, he'd have been taken down for it a long time ago. Do you think that's an unreasonable assumption?The problem is that none of that is against the law and if we were to make it against the law, it would undermine everything. If a woman can't choose to work with Max, how can she choose to work with anyone else? You can always say something bad about porn or pornographers. You can always say it causes some kind of harm to the people who participate in it. And you might even be right. Where do you go from there? If Max can't say "This bitch is a stupid fuckhole!", I worry what's next. I think it's pretty awful to treat a woman that way unless I know for sure she gets off on it but she did sign up for it as far as I know. It's pretty apparent that the women at least tolerate it. Who are we to make any judgments beyond that?Well, I've seen stuff made by both of them and the problem is they are obviously trying to make themselves look as abusive and/or extreme as possible. Apparently, that's what they feel their customers want. I really don't know more than that. From what I've seen and read about Max, I think he's probably delusional. I think he really is as sick as he appears to be. I'm not as sure about Khan Tusion but I don't like him. Beyond the fact that he does the abusive act (I'm just assuming it's an act, just to give him the benefit of the doubt because I've seen very little of his stuff), he is annoying, has stupid ideas for his scenes and won't shut up. However, it is possible that there could be someone like Max who was just putting on an act. I don't know what you mean when you say that nobody will convince you that it's "OK". They don't ask us for our permission. If Max had ever asked anywhere where I was posting, I would have advised him to make ordinary porn. Whether I think it's OK or not is not even going to factor into the thought process of someone like him. Also, I believe you said in an earlier post that you don't think it's possible that a woman could get off on this. I really have a problem with that statement because I don't think you could ever possibly know that. You can only ever speak for yourself. I'm certainly not under any illusions that probably the majority of Max's female costars didn't get off on any of it. But then, the majority of porn stars don't get off on what they do in anything. I don't know. It just gets really blurry when you think about it unemotionally.Here's what I think you don't understand. The kind of people who really have those opinions of women were like that before they ever knew Max existed. Watching porn doesn't change people. Not that much, anyway. If a person is a jerk, they're gonna be a jerk one way or another. Now this is people who are true believers. People who say they really feel that way about women and especially women who do porn. There are others who say it turns them on as a fantasy. Now I don't know what to make of that but I have no choice but to take them at their word, not knowing anything else about most of them. I believe you're right about something. There is something on a very basic level in all of us that craves depravity at times. The problem with the people you're talking about is they completely gave themselves over to it and are proud of it. They want to disturb you with their darkness and their ugliness. These people always existed.OK. But what? How are you going to prevent people from having fantasies that you think are abnormal and unhealthy? You can't. Noone can. And I hesitate to say whether anyone should try. You can say what you think (and you have) but I doubt that's going to have people unthinking their fantasies. I think people know what's right and wrong in the real world. Those who don't? Well, there's always them. If they choose to do something that harms someone, they'll pay the price and it will be one less you have to worry about. My main point is that those people will be there one way or another. Max didn't create anyone other than his own persona. Anyway, I understand you're just stating an opinion. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/31/2009 4:27:25 PM [Link] |
| Mr Springer Member You don't do more with less, you do less with less. 61 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 5:12PM I do things at my job that I don't want to do all the time. Yes, I could quit whenever I got ready to, but NV Energy wants their money every month, as does my landlord. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 5:31PM [Link] |
| Fernandez Deactivated User 781 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 5:55PM [Link] |
| SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 6:00PM But I have judgements about the people who like it and the people who make it. The OP asked, I responded. I'm not going to talk about it anymore. And I see that this isn't a revolutionary discussion for Adult DVD Talk. We're probably beating a dead horse at this point. As to me "dictating" what is normal sexual behavior, I guess you could say that anyone who has an opinion is "dictating." If I say "chocolate ice cream has a superior taste to vanilla," am I dictating? And if so, then why is that kind of opinion more acceptable than an opinion on porn? Just why are we so sensitive about our porn preferences? Could it be because we're afraid of what they say about us? [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 7:38PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Feb 1 2009 : 3:09AM Which is why I won't watch any porn where the lady appears to be an unwilling participant. Violation of someone's rights and freedoms is against my moral standards, which I apply to my own behavior and choice. And watching someone else violate my moral standards is not something I can enjoy. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Feb 1 2009 : 4:10AM [Link] |
| smboards Member 6 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Feb 1 2009 : 7:01AM Simple example on the matter. AFAIK it would be illegal in any US state for an adult male to have sex with 14-old girl. Not to mention immoral in public view. I would assume that a grown male publicly expressing his wish to have sexual intercourse with 14-year old would be considered to be mentally sick to some degree. On the other hand such behaviour is both legal and mostly morally acceptable in many European countries. See the list yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe . So for an example a 21-year guy having a sexually active 14-year old girlfriend would not be considered to have some kind of mental disorder. I personally can't understand a desire to have girl so much younger (actually my GF is couple of years older than me) but that's my problem, not their. Anyway. If the guy from our example would take a 10-hour plane trip from, let's say, Germany to United States, would he become mentally sick during this trip? And be magically healed on the way back? All the above is just illustration of the fact that there is no universal moral truth. So I would have to agree that no kind of sexual preferences could be used to evaluate person's mental health. Some preferences are likely to be deemed immoral or illegal by the local community but this is just a matter of group of people setting the rules for themselves and has nothing to do with mental sickness. [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Feb 1 2009 : 1:11PM [Link] |
| Mr Springer Member You don't do more with less, you do less with less. 61 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Feb 1 2009 : 4:53PM Case in point: A lot of these "barely legal" series get criticized because the actresses (who have reached the age of majority" appear to be "children" i.e. very thin, little or no pubic hair, small breasts etc. On the flip side, there are some very grown looking 14,15,16,17 year olds out there. Have sex with them in America and you're likely to go to prison. Is one sick for fantasizing about a teenager that looks like a grown woman, or sick for fantasizing about a grown woman that still looks like a "child?" [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Feb 1 2009 : 5:44PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Feb 3 2009 : 1:26AM I love internet philosophers. So tell me Socrates, at what age is it okay for you to fuck an underage girl? If moral and legal restrictions can't be used to evaluate one's mental health does that mean fucking a two-year-old is okay, how about fucking and raping? Edited by - BlackSix on 2/3/2009 2:01:08 AM [Link] |
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