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JadaBlaze01
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 11:54AM
hey guys I was doing some Pornography research about the Cum shot in films I read that the reason why Pornography producers wanted a Cum shot at the end of a scene was to show the viewers that the act they saw was real I also read that back in the 70s a lot of Porn Actresses didnt trust Birth Control so they felt a need for the actor to cum outside of them thus creating the Cum Shot/Money shot,to me having the cum shot doesnt make the scene look anymore real than it would without one, as long as there is physical penetration the scene is beleivable why does cum have to be shown to the viewer? when average people have sex they dont ejaculate outside of a women so why didnt Pornography want to film sex in a way that average couples have sex? also is there Porn out there that is not a creampie film where ejaculation is internal?
stinkfist
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 12:03PM
I want to see the cum shot when watching a porno,i want to imagine im the guy who is giving the girl a facial/cumming on her tits etc.If i never seen a cum shot in a porn movie i would feel "cheated" as a viewer and find the scene to be flat and a waste of time.
mr mcgibblets
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 12:11PM
Because cumming on women is awesome.Go cum on one and your research will be done.
ninja1
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 12:34PM
I don't know about the origins, but over the decades, porn viewers have been conditioned to expect/need to see a cumshot.
Personally I can take it or leave it. I'm usually done with the scene and skipped to another scene way before the cumshot. In most porn scenes the visual climax (the most exciting/stimulating action) occurs long before the cumshot, and by the time the cumshot rolls around, the action has gotten downright tedious and boring.
fevrinnn
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 2:04PM
This is an understandable and common question and i dont think there is one true logical explanation. The facial cumshot has become a tradition and as such, no one sees a need to change it.

 
JadaBlaze01
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 3:03PM
Cheated?? majority of average people dont cum outside of a women when having sex. so how could u feel cheated?
JadaBlaze01
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 3:06PM
I don't think it needs to be changed I just wanted to know the real reason for it and why isnt there a porn genre where the cumshot is internal thats not a creampie video.
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 4:20PM
In the real world, people can and do have sex in the dark. That's because the experience is primarily one of emotions and physical sensations.
Film doesn't do either one, it has to convey them through visuals and dialogue. In other words, it is not a presentation of reality, it is an interpretation of reality. Interpretations of reality are art, and art frequently strays from the 'truth'.
Thus, the question of why porn doesn't attempt a closer reflection of reality isn't as interesting as the question of why the digression has fixated upon one particular ending. I suspect it is because the facial combines two essential ingredients for your average male - it provide a climax, in both senses of the word, while allowing the viewer's subconscious to attach the emotional and sensational 'tags' of a climax to the female via her most recognizable feature. So, yes, it is a very biased ending, but also one that understands who the target audience is.
PS - Men ejaculated outside of women before birth control was available. Not all men did so, of course, but let's not pretend that porn invented the practice.
angelus113
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 4:25PM
Simply put, because you can literally fake almost everything else in porn: boobs, lips, hair, makeup, being lesbian, enthusiasm, attraction, you name it.
A cum shot (in addition to allowing males to project themselves into the scene as others have mentioned) is probably many times the only real thing about a scene.
And shows that at least one person involved actually got off.
fevrinnn
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 4:47PM
One more.
It's validation that the woman was able to sexually satisfy the man. Much more obviously displayed than if it was an internal shot. The crux of it is b/g porn is about the woman providing sexual satisfaction to the male. Her job is completed when he cums.
Reggie86
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 5:00PM
It's the most exciting finale to a scene. An internal cumshot may be more natural and realistic but it's a rather boring and anti-climactic ending. This is porn, and porn is a visual medium.
stinkfist
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 5:04PM
I would feel cheated as that is what i wanted to see when i bought the movie.
His Dudeness
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 5:05PM
To answer the OP's question: the cum shot is so the girl can have what she worked so hard for.
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 5:57PM
We (or I should say "I") just don't know when the scene is done without a cum shot.
On the face.
stinkfist
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 5:59PM
And the tits...
And the ass....
 
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 6:22PM
In the mouth?
His Dudeness
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 6:31PM
In the butt
In the vagina
After its snowballed
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 6:32PM
After its farted into a glass and swallowed
Dan
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 8:25PM
I'd say that the most pleasant way for a guy to cum is balls-deep inside his pretty lady's pussy or ass. But the porn viewer doesn't get to experience this pleasure, when he watches the scene. Because he isn't the one banging the pretty lady.
When sex is done for show, then you've got to show everything, including the cumshot. Because it would make no sense at all for a guy to stop banging his pretty lady, when he hasn't yet cum or there is some doubt about it for the viewer.
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 10:20PM
It makes me cum.
There doesn't need to be any more reason than that.
Edited by - randomprecision on 7/9/2012 10:22:31 PM
deeluve22
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Posted - Jul 9 2012 : 10:59PM
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 12:42AM
Quoted for emphasis.
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 3:43AM
Disagree with the "conditioning" thing. Porn simply would not feel complete if the man had sex with the woman and then nothing happened. I mean, WTF? Who doesn't want to cum in a girl's mouth? OK, that question is a bit rhetorical. I understand some guys aren't into it. But seriously, I would guess the oral cumshot is very typical of the kind of fantasy men just tend to have. And though it might be less common, a lot of women get off on it too.
It doesn't necessarily HAVE TO come at the end of the scene but that's pretty much the natural place for it since I doubt any director wants his male talent to be "spent" before the scene is over. I just want to see the girl eat cum. It's the perfect climax for 20 - 30 minutes of watching a gorgeous female do all the things I fantasize about.
Really, this is like asking "What is the real need for fucking in porn?"
And finally, porn makers didn't want to film porn the way real people have sex because it's pretty dull and boring visually. It was mentioned before but a lot of people fuck with the lights off. It's not that they don't want to see what's happening but they're self-conscious and maybe not comfortable.
Porn was created to satisfy needs you can't easily satisfy having sex in real life. If it was easy for every man to find a woman who would fuck you in every hole and position for 30 minutes and eat your load, porn would have never gotten off the ground.
The first thing most males learn when they start masturbating is that it's pretty satisfying to watch the cum actually "shoot" (or ooze or whatever happens with that particular guy). And then, that very naturally flows to wanting to cum on the object of their fantasies. Porn is made for watching. Not participating. If you don't actually SEE the cum, it might as well have never happened. It's not necessarily only about proof. Many people actually like the aesthetics of the cumshot. And again, if you have a thing for oral, there's nothing really better than watching the girl eat it.
Edited by - randomprecision on 7/10/2012 3:55:35 AM
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 4:35AM
Because this is hot:
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Gunzo
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 5:24AM
One can go back to Marquis de Sade and find depictions of the facial and swallowing of cum, so it's not something recently invented for porn. For me it's probably just that I like watching girls get dominated sexually.
 
JadaBlaze01
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 5:01PM
I can understand that the way people have sex in real life is boring compared to the way Porn Actors do, but one thing that turns me off is when Cum shots are needed in Feature Storyline Porn films, like say u have a feature Porn flick with a Storyline that involves the character of Husband and Wife, and a sex scene happens with the Husband and Wife characters that requires a Cumshot at the finish, that doesnt make sense cause a real Husband and Wife couple are gonna have sex with a internal ejaculation so that kind of annoys me a bit when it comes to Couples/Feature Porn, I can understand Gonzo Porn having a huge fetish with Cum cause its not built around characters.
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 5:23PM
Could you provide the name of the book? I have read a few and can't remember this being described (lots of semen, landing in places, but I don't remember descriptions of on the face/in the mouth). I would be most interested, thanks.
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 6:09PM
Well, think about it. Who is/are the audience for features (particularly husband/wife features)? For the most part, it's probably going to be married men and/or couples. Men who probably sit around and think "Damn. I wish my wife would do this!" This is his fantasy. He doesn't need to watch porn unless it shows him something he wants that he's not getting. I understand why married women would be upset by this but this is (partly) a result of people marrying people they're not really sexually compatible with.
If a woman marries a guy and is shocked and revolted five years later to find that he wants to cum on her face, what has really happened here? Very likely they weren't entirely honest with each other. Marriage is supposed to be a lifetime bond between two people. Why do people make commitments like that without seriously evaluating the person they're thinking about committing to?
It's a responsibility they both share. It doesn't have anything to do with porn. Those who make porn are just making what they believe people want to see. If you don't like seeing this in features, the chances are you're in a minority. Ask yourself this. What is the point of couples porn unless it encourages couples to explore their sexuality and do things they wouldn't normally do?
This is bad?
Unfortunately, when you're in a minority in a market, you don't usually find the products you really want. I have never seen a "perfect" (perfect for me) porn scene and I doubt I ever will. There are things I'd love to see in porn that would be very simple for the porn industry to make but they're not going to make it exclusively for me and 20 people like me when they can sell 5,000 copies of "Fuck Her Like A Jackhammer".
Edited by - randomprecision on 7/10/2012 6:16:15 PM
Simpsona
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 7:45PM
This....all this.
jfarley
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 11:08PM
I just watched Nica Noelle's scene from the The Masseuse 2, with real life couple Brandy Aniston and Barry Scott. It finished with a deep pounding internal pop, and it was a hot climax to a great scene.
Could've been fake but unlikely. Looked real enough to me and I enjoyed the fantasy. Facials are awkward and "boring" IMO.
Dan
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Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 11:34PM
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I can say for myself that I have no desire at all to cum on any woman's face. I've never understood such a desire, but I got used to seeing it in porn movies and learned to live with it.
Sometimes you need to tolerate watching a sex act that doesn't interest you and wait for the next sex act that might interest you. But to avoid such a situation for viewers, porn makers should try to show two or three sex-acts simultaneously. Because this way it's a shotgun approach that hits almost everyone in the audience with something they like.
Perhaps this is why group sex with three people or more often satisfies the audience better. Group sex is more likely to show two or three sex acts at the same time.
Edited by - Dan on 7/10/2012 11:34:43 PM
BumBum
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:23AM
I agree with JadaBlaze. I think real men ejaculate in the vagina, ass, or mouth of the gal, and they do that because it feels so much better than jacking on her tits or face. I've alwasy thought this was stupid. Don't most dudes was to stay in the lady until they shrink out? I don't need or want to see the jiz.
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:24AM
I agree with JadaBlaze. I think real men ejaculate in the vagina, ass, or mouth of the gal, and they do that because it feels so much better than jacking on her tits or face. I've alwasy thought this was stupid. Don't most dudes was to stay in the lady until they shrink out? I don't need or want to see the jiz.
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:40AM
Long time since I read it now (it should be free for grabs on the internet somewhere) but I think 'Philosophy in the bedroom' do have the male character explaining how cum should be swallowed to the last drop or similar. (but the explicitness of the book is of course the pedophilia and criticism of religion, I've got some nice quotes lying around somewhere, he explains how the word 'whore' is a positive word and how God is just another god and that one must be insane to believe).
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 1:34AM

WTF?
Is there anything else real men do? Like only filming "porn" from the waist up?
Edited by - randomprecision on 7/11/2012 1:38:15 AM
 
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Maybe to be some sort of exclamation point on-the-vid?.
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:38AM
Porn is all about the visual experience for the viewer and that is why the top labels/Directors such as Elegant Angel/Evil Angel etc put so much attention into who they cast in their movies,from the girls they cast to what the girls are wearing to the sets,the lighting and the editing etc and of course the sex scenes.
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:15PM
Long time since I read it now (it should be free for grabs on the internet somewhere) but I think 'Philosophy in the bedroom' do have the male character explaining how cum should be swallowed to the last drop or similar. (but the explicitness of the book is of course the pedophilia and criticism of religion, I've got some nice quotes lying around somewhere, he explains how the word 'whore' is a positive word and how God is just another god and that one must be insane to believe).
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I have that one. Sounds like there are no facials though. Thanks anyway.
Gunzo
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 1:47PM
Well anyways, looking back on literature it's most often way 'worse' than todays pornography. People claim porn to be harder and harder but when reading the classics... porn of today is freaking civilized!
Edited by - Gunzo on 7/11/2012 1:50:12 PM
Digmen1
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:26PM
Its just that the end of sex is when the guy cums
So we all want to see that in a porno scene.
I love it when guys cum on the girl and she keeps getting fucked.
But just about all movies end with a cum shot and so they should.
I just wish they would end with a facial with the girl no n her knees.
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Physical penetration simply isn't enough for a lot of people...guys. Watching porn can be sort of an outerbody experience for a lot of guys. Like they're/we're almost there, even though they're/we're obviously not.
A lot of guys simply don't like the idea of watching sex like they normally have it. I don't think a lot of women are that crazy about the idea of guy's jerking-off on their faces. Fantasies tend to belie realism. The fantasy tends to be more powerful.
Can't say that I've seen a lot of no-cumshot porn that was intentional. If the guy doesn't cum, it seems to be more because he can't that day or at all. Think I've seen it the most with amateurs though or pro stuff from like 80's.
Edited by - aplus on 7/13/2012 4:04:08 PM
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Which essays/books have you read so far? I may be able to recommend some you haven't discovered yet.
JadaBlaze01
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Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 11:36AM
^
I mostly do online research from websites and articles
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Yeah, I was wondering which ones.
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jfarley, the internal pop scene with Brandi and Barry is real. They're married off-screen.
NicaNoelle
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I was thinking of doing an all internal pop series, would that interest anyone?
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I would like to see a creampie scene in one of your movies.
JadaBlaze01
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I mostly do Wikipedia and also PornoWiki
JadaBlaze01
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Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 3:35PM
Yes I would love a all internal Pop Series, I am all for natural things, when a man cums in a women internally it just seems natural normal and right,perhaps maybe u could get some real life married couples or Boyfriend girlfriend couples they may feel the most comfortable with having thier boyfriend or husband bust a nut in them. I am sure there are plenty of porn actors/actresses that are married or dating.
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