What is the real need for a cum shot at the end? (page 2)

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JadaBlaze01 Member 301 Posts 1/11	Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 3:56PM BumBum wrote: I agree with JadaBlaze. I think real men ejaculate in the vagina, ass, or mouth of the gal, and they do that because it feels so much better than jacking on her tits or face. I've alwasy thought this was stupid. Don't most dudes was to stay in the lady until they shrink out? I don't need or want to see the jiz. Click to expand Co-Sign [Link]
tonicandgin Member 57 Posts 5/11	Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 5:16PM i think all porn scenes should end with the girl sucking the guy off and the cum shot happening inside the mouth. the girl can open her mouth a bit to show cum on the tongue, or not at all. i don't really mind cum shots as much as i just don't like guys jerking themselves off. if the girl is the one getting the guy off then id care less about where the cumshot actually takes place. i know the expectations we place on male performers is pretty insane. we demand some pretty crazy physical feats to get the scenes we want. so i'd just be happy with more frequent scenes ending with the girl getting the guy off unassisted. [Link]
fevrinnn Member 42 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 5:39PM Well since a load of industry people read this site, it would appear they have no idea why they end scenes this way either. [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jul 16 2012 : 1:06AM Ever watched a G/G scene and thought "What the fuck, that's the end?!" as it fades to black? This is probably why the cumshot is such a great way to end a scene and why there's usually just one pop-shot per scene. I like open-ended books and films... but not open-ended porn scenes. [Link]

DJboutit2 Member 438 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 4:11AM This OP sounds like you have not seen many pornos or never have had sex [Link]
JadaBlaze01 Member 301 Posts 1/11	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 8:50AM DJboutit2 wrote: This OP sounds like you have not seen many pornos or never have had sex Click to expand LOL I watch a lot of Porno and have a porn collection if i didnt I wouldnt be a member of this forum.I posted this topic cause when most people including myself have sex men dont ejaculate on or outside of a women, I am only presenting the idea that maybe one day it can be a genre of porn where all pop shots are internal to make it look closer to real life sex. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 10:59AM JadaBlaze01 wrote: I am only presenting the idea that maybe one day it can be a genre of porn where all pop shots are internal to make it look closer to real life sex. Click to expand Tell me this isn't about condoms. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/17/2012 11:00:13 AM [Link]
JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 5:09PM The cumshot is just hot. It the best proof of orgasm. All guys can relate when watching it. And I'm sure most women can to some extent. That's the reason that its shown in most scenes. It makes sense both from an emotional and artistic perspective. Frankly I don't think that part should be difficult to understand. However, there's not any such need for the cumshot to always be the end of the scene, or that it should land specifically on her face. Although the facial is still pretty much the standard, there's quite a lot of other cumshot trends going on in mainstream porn that weren't as common 10 or 20 years ago. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 5:21PM JohnW wrote: However, there's not any such need for the cumshot to always be the end of the scene, or that it should land specifically on her face. Click to expand Exactly. This is the real question. A lot of movies by Mason are now ending with the female partner's orgasm, after the male's. It's the only place that I have seen this in modern porn. [Link]
Simpsona Senior Member 2389 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 6:22PM ^^ I agree that it doesn't have to be the absolute end of the scene.I loved it in Gracie Glam's Lust where after Manuel had cum they carry on fucking for a bit,it's not long but it sure is hot. As to Gore Gore Girl's point,this is why i love the Massive Facials series so much and what set them apart from the regular facial themed movies.I mean i wanna see woman getting downright filthy and doing nasty things but i wanna see them enjoying it and getting off.This is what i love about Mason's movies in general. [Link]
jfarley Member 242 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 7:47PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: A lot of movies by Mason are now ending with the female partner's orgasm, after the male's. It's the only place that I have seen this in modern porn. Click to expand I've seen this in Nica Noelle's movies quite a few times as well. Women! @NicaNoelle regarding a whole movie with all internal pops. Variety is always better IMO. DaneJones.com mixes it up nicely, for example a fuck-to-external-pop where the female finishes the job. [Link]
jayo All-Star Member 2117 Posts 7/04	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 10:22PM Back to the original post. Because it's visual and dramatic. I've got an old, grainy, B&W film where the guy has an internal pop. It didn't look any different than if he'd just stopped screwing her for whatever reason. They then went in for the "proof," which was a trail of semen leaking out. IMO, that was not erotic or interesting to look at. It was, in fact, an anti-climax. External cum shots are fake, but so almost anything about porn: the positions people take in order to let the camera have a good view; the position changes; the amount of time and types of foreplay vs. actual fucking, etc. It's the same reason cop movies are always about gunfights and high speed chases and picking up DNA evidence that expose the real killer, when the reality is mostly paperwork, tedium, short bursts of fright, moron criminals, and not being able to crack your knuckles without being second-guessed and monday-quarterbacked by everyone with a vested interest in doing so. Porn is entertaining and reality is largely not. [Link]
joachim Senior Member 03 12 15 16 18 04 07 13 18 2285 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 10:32PM Gunzo wrote: Ever watched a G/G scene and thought "What the fuck, that's the end?!" as it fades to black? Click to expand No. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 10:33AM An attractive girl taking a solid facial cumshot is as good as it gets. How 'Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down on the Farm? (After They've Seen Paree) [Link]

RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 1:48PM Goldstein wrote: An attractive girl taking a solid facial cumshot is as good as it gets. Click to expand We actually agree! [Link]
Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 2:23PM Goldstein wrote: An attractive girl taking a solid facial cumshot is as good as it gets. How 'Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down on the Farm? (After They've Seen Paree) Click to expand Can't say I disagreee...well as long as the girl looks into it or at least not repulsed. Still I'll agree that the cumshot doesn't have to be the ending of the scene. I like when the guy goes back for seconds after he cums or concentrates of the female's pleasure or orgasm afterwards too. [Link]
jim2 Member 232 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 11:22PM A cumshot doesn't have to be at the end but it needs to be part of the scene. I think most guys who are jerking off try to cum when the guy in the scene cums so they can fantasize it is them cumming on the girl. A few women might like the cumshots because they might be curious about how big the guys load might be. Maybe they are hoping for another Peter North. Personally I would like to see a cumshot at the BEGINNING of the scene. After that they could bring in another guy or guys to give her a good fucking while she is wearing cum from guy #1. [Link]
joachim Senior Member 03 12 15 16 18 04 07 13 18 2285 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 19 2012 : 12:01AM For me, if a scene hasn't worked its magic before the cumshot, then it probably sucked. [Link]
Pentasa Deactivated User 233 Posts 9/08	Posted - Jul 19 2012 : 12:31AM RandomPrecision wrote: It makes me cum. There doesn't need to be any more reason than that. Click to expand Precisely. Not so hard to figure that out, is it? [Link]
UrbanDervesh Member Sextatic 93 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 19 2012 : 12:32AM BumBum wrote: I agree with JadaBlaze. I think real men ejaculate in the vagina, ass, or mouth of the gal, and they do that because it feels so much better than jacking on her tits or face. I've alwasy thought this was stupid. Don't most dudes was to stay in the lady until they shrink out? I don't need or want to see the jiz. Click to expand So those unlike you are unreal men? Really? [Link]
Pentasa Deactivated User 233 Posts 9/08	Posted - Jul 19 2012 : 12:35AM DJboutit2 wrote: This OP sounds like you have not seen many pornos or never have had sex Click to expand Many would get the same impression and rightfully so. [Link]
NicaNoelle Member 117 Posts 12/07	Posted - Jul 21 2012 : 6:48AM Goregore, i've always ended a good percentage of my b/g scenes with a female orgasm after the male's, beginning with my very first b/g movie "The Stepmother," I think that's now four years ago. Reviewers frequently commented on my movies featuring an additional female orgasm after the male cum shot, which alerted me to the fact that no one else was doing it. but maybe i'm wrong and Mason was already doing it, i have no idea. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 21 2012 : 9:00AM ^ Me neither. It happens in Expose Me, Lovely (1976) so maybe that wins (at least for an individual film). Great to know you do this in a number of movies too! I am woefully behind in my viewing. Any title suggestions for me from the last year that you're especially proud of, and feature the female orgasm post-male orgasm? I'd be happy to bump it up to the front of my list. [Link]
JadaBlaze01 Member 301 Posts 1/11	Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 3:50PM Pentasa wrote: DJboutit2 wrote: This OP sounds like you have not seen many pornos or never have had sex Click to expand Many would get the same impression and rightfully so. [/quote what I do in my personal life has no connection to this topic, one has nothing to do with the other I think u 2 are the only people that connect my personal life with the topic, and in real life men dont cum outside of a women, sounds like u 2 may not have had sex in real life and think what u see in Pornography films is the traditonal way people have sex. [Link]

RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 5:35PM JadaBlaze01 wrote: and in real life men dont cum outside of a women Click to expand 1. Would this be a woman with multiple personalities? 2. I don't see how you could possibly know what millions of men do in real life unless you're making a blanket assumption based upon what cannot possibly be anything other than limited personal experience. 3. What men do in real life has little to do with what they fantasize about. Again, I personally expect to see the things I fantasize about. And I fantasize about anal sex, cumshots, bukkake and so on. These are common fantasies. They were common fantasies before porn. [Link]
Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 3:35AM JadaBlaze01 wrote: sounds like u 2 may not have had sex in real life and think what u see in Pornography films is the traditonal way people have sex. Click to expand I suspect a large percentage of women suspect or think men, who watch porn, think that way. In truth that'd probably be tough for them to live with or live up to, if it were generally true. I really don't believe it is though. Edited by - aplus on 7/23/2012 3:36:02 AM [Link]
NicaNoelle Member 117 Posts 12/07	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 6:04AM What we fantasize about or masturbate to isn't necessarily something we want or would find enjoyable in real life. My own fantasies have gone to some really strange places over the years, and sometimes I'd even surprise myself, like "why would I think about that? I don't want to do that." Sexual fantasies are fluid, and unpredictable. And the notion that they always represent what we "really want" is in my opinion not necessarily true. So many men I've spoken to since I started directing have told me that they look for a specific physical type, or age range, when they watch a woman in a porn film, but in real life they have varied tastes and don't judge a woman's physical attractiveness by the same standard. [Link]
QuivverSoftly Deactivated User 53 Posts 6/10	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 7:40AM It's important for many reasons: 1. There's nothing better then a sight of a glazed woman. (at least for most heterosexual men) 2. It's a definitive end to a scene. (If a scene just faded out mid-fuck I'd think something went wrong on the shoot) 3. It allows the viewer to connect with the participants on some level. (the guy cums...you cum...you get to fantasize what it would look like on her) I don't know if it's critical to the success of a scene but I do feel it's something every good scene should have. I'd feel cheated if i watched porn and didn't see the money shot at the end (even though i may not actually wait for it in most cases). Edited by - QuivverSoftly on 7/23/2012 7:41:39 AM Edited by - QuivverSoftly on 7/23/2012 7:42:03 AM [Link]
Hoya Deactivated User 338 Posts 2/12	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 7:44AM ^ Only to sadists. Women are prettier when they are not being humiliated. [Link]
QuivverSoftly Deactivated User 53 Posts 6/10	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 8:12AM Hoya wrote: ^ Only to sadists. Women are prettier when they are not being humiliated. Click to expand What on earth are you talking about? Sadists??! You sure you know what that even means? [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 8:46AM I watched some british documentary showing that those intrigued by sadomasochistic themes had a higher emphatic intelligence than those that didn't care for it. Actually this was the case with all porn - some just saw boring naked bodies entangled... and some watched hot sex. [Link]
jfarley Member 242 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 12:41PM ^ Did you mean empathic? [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 1:13PM ^ Yea... I guess... bear with me... Anyways, now on to watching some volume of Massive Facials. Feels about right. [Link]
simon33333 All-Star Member 828 Posts 9/09	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 4:29PM RandomPrecision wrote: It makes me cum. There doesn't need to be any more reason than that. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/9/2012 10:22:31 PM Click to expand 100% agree. [Link]

RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 7:55PM Hoya wrote: ^ Only to sadists. Women are prettier when they are not being humiliated. Click to expand The problem with this mentality is that not all women find it humiliating. You have to realize that women who have decided to do porn have a wide range of reasons for doing it. But I'm betting well over 90% of them go in knowing that the facial cumshot is a very important part of just about every porn scene. Thus, you have to pretty much figure almost all of them have accepted that. Some porn fans want the humliation theme so there is unquestionably some porn made to cater to that crowd. No one denies that. But porn fans are as diverse as any other group. Those of us who enjoy cumshots like them for a variety of reasons. Personally, it's her job to decide what she's comfortable with. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 10:05PM Personally, I don't see much "humiliation" in B/G one-on-one scenes or B/G/G. IMHO, it's the multi-guy on one girl stuff that flirts with "humiliation" (maybe one of several reasons I don't find more than two guys in a scene, or more than one cock per hole, of any interest). Obviously, there is porn made that IS humiliating -- and I avoid it like the plague. However, as long as the girls are willing participants, are compensated fairly AND don't get smacked-around to the point of physical pain and/or injury, I'm in favor of letting consenting adults make their own choices. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 10:39PM Goldstein wrote: Obviously, there is porn made that IS humiliating -- and I avoid it like the plague. However, as long as the girls are willing participants, are compensated fairly AND don't get smacked-around to the point of physical pain and/or injury, I'm in favor of letting consenting adults make their own choices. Click to expand Thing is (as I have so often said in the past) it can't be discounted that men aren't the only people who actually like these themes. There actually are women who want to be humiliated and smacked around and so forth. And yes. I suppose they are rare. But I figure if I was female and I wanted to be humiliated, I might be tempted to do porn to make my fantasy happen in a relatively safe environment. But of course, most of the ladies in porn are probably not interested in fulfilling their fantasies. I'd say most of them are mainly interested in the money. They just don't have a lot of limits and a lot of them don't mind being seen doing porn. The problem comes when pornographers who do really rough and "humiliating" porn are not selective enough in who they hire. Or worse, they either don't care or get a kick out of doing it to women who aren't into it. And it's not entirely out of the question that some of them might be doing it on purpose to intentionally hurt the porn business and free speech. When this happens, everyone who likes these themes for any reason pays for their stupidity, whether they agree with this or not. Anyway, if a woman actually has this fantasy, I have absolutely no problems with it. People should be able to indulge their fantasies in a safe way. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/23/2012 10:41:38 PM [Link]
NicaNoelle Member 117 Posts 12/07	Posted - Jul 24 2012 : 6:08AM I've shot many scenes that involve Dom/Sub elements and slapping, spitting, choking, cum shots to the face ("Sinderella & Me" starring Manuel Ferrara, Allie Haze and Darla Crane, for one). As long as it develops organically between the couple and takes place within a passionate, intense scene where the sex is real, and looks real, I think it's just another way to express sexuality and can be very hot! It's just gotta be in context and it's gotta look like everyone wants to be there and is enjoying themselves. They have to look connected in those little ways you can't fake. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 24 2012 : 7:59AM I don't normally go for creampies, because the post-coital shot of the cum dripping out of the girl's pussy always seemed crude to me. I don't normally go for Jenna Jameson, because she seemed fake to me. BUT she shot her first two scenes with Randy West in his Up 'n Cummers series. In the second (?) of these, she rode him with such intensity that the veteran porn stud couldn't control himself and injected his load deep in her pussy. Watching that scene didn't inspire me to go out and rent every scene that Jenna Jameson shot, but I felt like I understood her appeal. [Link]
Steve Smith Senior Member 2670 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 25 2012 : 4:05PM NicaNoelle wrote: I was thinking of doing an all internal pop series, would that interest anyone? Click to expand That would be excellent! That is such an erotic sex act and to be able to capture it on film is really very spectacular. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jul 25 2012 : 4:30PM The "real need". [Link]
the traveler Deactivated User 309 Posts 8/11	Posted - Jul 27 2012 : 1:28PM It's a hot act. I love seeing good cumshots and girls swallowing. It's just so hot and dirty to see a girl taking a big load. It's like the icing on the cake. A lot of good scenes have been ruined by ass cumshot and or internals. Internal cumshots are not hot at all unless it's in the girls butt. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 28 2012 : 3:12PM ^ I once saw a girl suck a guy off until he started to cum. He shot the first spurt into her open mouth, and then she wrapped her mouth around his cock, sucked him off, and swallowed all the jizz. This provided the viewer with evidence that the guy isn't faking while also letting us see that the cum ended up inside the woman. I remember thinking it was a great cum shot, and I wondered why it wasn't done more often. I miss how in classic porn, they would often fuck until the guy was right at the brink, and he would pull out and come on her pussy (or ass-- if they were doing doggy). I like this much more than watching the guy jerk off on the girl's face. [Link]
julesx Member 77 Posts 7/12	Posted - Jul 28 2012 : 3:24PM CummingLinguist wrote: ^ I once saw a girl suck a guy off until he started to cum. He shot the first spurt into her open mouth, and then she wrapped her mouth around his cock, sucked him off, and swallowed all the jizz. Click to expand claire dames, annette schwarts, jessie jordan, marsha lord, vanessa cage from Deep Throat Love [Link]
real01 Member 89 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 29 2012 : 12:24PM COHF had slogan: What is prettier then a dirty girl? A dirty girl with a cum on her face! So, cum makes girls pretty... or makes them aggressive to other girls - like in the case of Betty from GGG :-) [Link]
nylonsoles Member 76 Posts 8/12	Posted - Sep 8 2012 : 9:04PM I agree that it's great to end a scene with a female orgasm. If we must have male cumshots on female porn stars (I am partial to internal cumshots myself, but since that brings up issues of condom use, then I suppose a cumshot on a female star is a way to go…), then it's much hotter not to end the scene there, but finish it with an orgasm for her. As for the argument about what's hotter than a dirty girl, a dirty girl with cum on her, then let's say a dirty girl with cum on her having an orgasm (although since having an orgasm after a facial is kind of improbable, how about on her belly?). Fair enough? Edited by - nylonsoles on 9/8/2012 9:16:27 PM [Link]
Todd Gack Deactivated User "Oh, of course. Todd Gack." 849 Posts 6/12	Posted - Sep 8 2012 : 10:07PM Men are by nature visual (as my fb frequently reminds me). As such I do prefer to see a cumshot in scenes because it's the sheer opposite of what traditionally happens during civilian b/g sex. That said, I'm OK with the occasional facials but directors really use it as a crutch. Here's what happens in I'd say 2/3 of b/g scenes: guy and girl fucking on a bed and they both have to jump off the bed, the guy is already losing his urge to cum, the girl kneels while the guy jerks himself for 30-60 seconds, only to shoot mostly in her hair or over her head. It's so unoriginal, convoluted, and forced that it's stupid. Hell, I'd rather see a guy cum on a girl's knee or shoulder, anything for something different. I'd welcome hearing the views of any directors/producers who happen to read my post. End of rant. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Sep 9 2012 : 8:07AM ^ I agree. Cum shots would look a lot more hot if they come spontaneously from the fuck rather than from jerking off. A guy quickly pulling out of the lady and cumming in an uncontrolled kind of way might look messy, but it would look spontaneous and genuine which is hot. I see nothing sexy about a guy jerking himself off and making himself cum on the lady's face or any other part of her body. I know from my own experience that I would rather ride my lady until the last possible second, and only then pull out to cum on her from the fuck and from jerking myself off. I don't need a live lady to jerk myself off. I can do it alone with just a picture of her. [Link]
Katvena Member Rocco & Nacho are the KINGS OF HARDCORE and yes I am a Red Blooded WOMAN 402 Posts 8/12	Posted - Sep 22 2012 : 9:44PM Dan wrote: Cum shots would look a lot more hot if they come spontaneously from the fuck rather than from jerking off. Click to expand I 100% agree with you. [Link]
nylonsoles Member 76 Posts 8/12	Posted - Feb 7 2013 : 10:59AM Reviving this one to say that it looks like @nicanoelle is releasing "Come Inside Me" this spring. My wife will be thrilled! We've been enjoying Fill Er Up greatly in the meantime. Why not? Porn's always after something new. Might as well try something that hasn't been done lately in couples videos. [Link]