What the hell is with the camera work?

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Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 4:17PM After going on a JAV binge I've been drifting back to the west, but alone with the revolting tattoos, piercings and male performers, the camerawork is another element of American porn that's just awful. They turn the camera on screwball angles and do the ever-popular extreme closeup. Who's to blame, the cameramen or the directors? JAV, for all the annoyances of the pixilation, shoots very well. You get full length body shots, straighter angles, highlighting the woman's body, lots of POV shots with the girl looking right into the camera (they give the camera to the male performer), shooting a missionary scene and still managing to get almost all of the guy out of the shot. I don't say this to bash, I want to know why we settle for so much less. [Link]
spitty Member 730 Posts 12/04	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 4:36PM I feel the same way , Ordell. I can't stand the camerawork in today's porn. The camera operators are all over the place with weird angles , fast zooming in and out , way too much shaking and movement ...and many of them don't seem to know what to focus on and when. In other words , they film the wrong things at the wrong time. Ex. when 2 girls are french kissing , don't fucking film their asses, for crying out loud !!! There's plenty of time to show everything but some of these guys film as if they have a plane to catch. This is not MTV , it's porn. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 8:16PM It might help if you give examples of what you're referring to....instead of pointing the finger at "American porn". That's a bit too general. [Link]
Izabella Tommy Kaye Productions 15 Posts 3/07	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 10:18PM I totaly agree with these comments about bad camera work in american porn. Especially gonzo movies. Most gonzo is like home movies. Do you think that the people shooting these movies have university training to do this job? For sure I say, and Bush is loved in my country too. I was born and raised in Europe. I worked on many big productions for Private and many other companies. The camera man is usually very professional. It was like a joke when the americans started shooting in Europe. We couldn't understand why they work that way. The camera man flying the camera all over the place. Some of the movies look like a monkey was given a camera to play with. They just point it and walk all over the place without looking at the picture. They don't use camera supports or good lights. Is this supposed to make the movie more erotic or something? It makes me dizzy.... I think these people just don't know how to make a movie is probably the reason. [Link]
spitty Member 730 Posts 12/04	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 10:19PM RandomPrecision wrote: It might help if you give examples of what you're referring to....instead of pointing the finger at "American porn". That's a bit too general. Click to expand The last few belladonna titles have lots of movement. "storm squirters" by Joey Silvera has very bad camera work. Some of the "Mouth2Mouth" volumes by Chico Wang have very fast zooming and tilting. Seymore Butts moves and shakes alot ...always did. Extreme Associates is insane. Many "Vertigo" titles by Martin del toro were horribly filmed. There are many more that I have seen but I just can't remember the specifics. It's not just American porn , though. Rocco and Christoph Clarke aren't too steady , either. I have also seen some british porn with terrible camera work , as well as Brazilian porn. So far , the Japanese have been the best , in my opinion. They have some bad ones , too , but almost everything that I have seen has been well filmed and well lit. [Link]

Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 11:02PM RandomPrecision wrote: It might help if you give examples of what you're referring to....instead of pointing the finger at "American porn". That's a bit too general. Click to expand Um, anything? Lately I've Dl'ed a few Devon Michaels clips and they are unwatchable simply because of the cockeyed angle. I have to twist my head until one ear is on my shoulder to take in the action. [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 11:23PM Izabella wrote: I think these people just don't know how to make a movie is probably the reason. Click to expand I agree with you, Izabella. I'd like to offer this--that few (if any) Americans who make porn are skilled at their craft. In America, talented filmmakers gravitate to the lucrative mainstream motion picture, film, television and advertising industries. Those Americans with little or no talent can't compete in that rarified atmosphere; and some choose adult as a viable option to working 9-5. In parts of Europe, there may not be as many opportunities for cameramen to ply their trade as there are in America. As a result, perhaps more talented cameramen in Europe choose adult as an option, and when they do, comparison to the less-talented American counterparts becomes obvious. This is one explanation for what I agree is so often terrible camera work in American-adult. Because there are many talented, Academy Award winning American cinematographers working in mainstream film, as evidenced by the tremendous output of mainstream American filmmakers, the reason for poor camerawork in American adult may be that it's the career of choice of those who cannot compete with their mainstream counterparts. [Link]
ducatiproductions Member 43 Posts 11/04	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 12:29AM There is hope.... All new scenes shot by Ducati Productions are now shot on a jib mounted to a dolly on a track. Audio is run through a boom mike and mixer as well. You will not be seeing the "18" cammera man" shots from the floor to the ceiling, no zooms so tight your eyes cant keep up with the motion, More medium to full length body shots to see what is actually going on in the scene, NO shakey camera, no running in zoom ins/outs, No sideways camera angles that make you have to tilt your head to watch the scene and audio that doesnt fade/get louder as camera moves in and out. Just our opinion, but we think this is the way it should be. If we are wrong, so is mainstream movie and television production. [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 1:24AM Heh well good for you Ducati. I really am tired of the laziness in the porno industry. They seem to have this notion that because they are a fringe industry there's no reason for excellence or pride in work done well. [Link]
coachcam Member 218 Posts 1/07	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 9:45AM This not only pertains to video, but stills too. The cameras now are so easy to use, EVERYONE is now a photographer or video camera person. Many have no clue about composition, expression or lighting. Number one, they don't see something objectionable in the shot, because they were never trained to. And IF they see it, the attitude is we'll photo shop it out or do it in post. All that takes extra time and costs extra money. Yes, I shoot some tight shots of penetration, but the beauty of a woman is from the waist up. I shoot lots of those parts...boobs and faces. When real people have sex, what does a guy want to watch while his partner has an orgasm? Her pussy or her face? If he looks at her face, he sees the pleasure he has given her. And before I'm accused of having something against butts or legs, I shoot those too. But it's all about the facial expressions. Just my opinion. coachcam [Link]
spitty Member 730 Posts 12/04	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 10:12AM Hi Coachcam, There's definately nothing wrong with shooting tight shots of penetration. I like close ups too. I think that a good balance can be obtained quite easily with just a little bit of coaching. Videos are longer ...so there is plenty of time to capture good footage. There is no reason to have the camera going at a frantic pace. Let the energy and intensity come from the actresses / actors. I seriously don't see how filming a sex scene can be so difficult. I have made a few custom videos and , with just a few notes in my script , the cameraman was able to capture almost exactly what I wanted....and I am talking very amateur stuff here . ( inferior equipment , low budget , no training) The way I see it , many camera operators are very likely just interested in their own ideas and they are not thinking of the customer. This is the biggest problem , IMO. [Link]
Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 1:30PM Just our opinion, but we think this is the way it should be. If we are wrong, so is mainstream movie and television production. Click to expand Well said. I know that you put a lot of effort into your productions. We do as well. It seems that with the advent of the gonzo category, professionalism and creativity in adult went out the window. Yes there is hope and change is in the wind in this crowded market. The consumers are getting tired of bad productions. The cream will eventually rise to the top. [Link]
fatalbert Member Diagonally parked in a parallel universe 576 Posts 5/03	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 1:49PM ducatiproductions wrote: More medium to full length body shots to see what is actually going on in the scene, Click to expand Thank you, thank you, thank you! I will be checking out your studio's titles immediately. Close ups obviously have an attraction to many (or they would not be so ubiquitous), but seeing "body parts" fucking doesn't do a thing for me -- seeing attractive people fucking does. [Link]
fatalbert Member Diagonally parked in a parallel universe 576 Posts 5/03	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 2:06PM coachcam wrote: Yes, I shoot some tight shots of penetration, but the beauty of a woman is from the waist up. I shoot lots of those parts...boobs and faces. When real people have sex, what does a guy want to watch while his partner has an orgasm? Her pussy or her face? Click to expand Coach, I see what you mean about real sex. But this is porn. I, as a viewer, want the option of seeing all the action in a frame. Perhaps it is adequate for some to see in the camera's view only penetration, or only her face, or quick-cutting back and forth, but I will continue to search for porn with full face-and-action-framed shots. [Link]
ducatiproductions Member 43 Posts 11/04	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 2:17PM Tommy Kaye wrote: Just our opinion, but we think this is the way it should be. If we are wrong, so is mainstream movie and television production. Click to expand Well said. I know that you put a lot of effort into your productions. We do as well. It seems that with the advent of the gonzo category, professionalism and creativity in adult went out the window. Yes there is hope and change is in the wind in this crowded market. The consumers are getting tired of bad productions. The cream will eventually rise to the top. Click to expand The biggest thing that really irritates me is when I hear someone say "It's Just porn". It's that kind of attitude why there is so much crap out there. In the past few weeks I have gone back to my "roots" as a porn watcher to see what gets me off. It can be easy to lose touch with the early days of enjoying porn before you produced it. Thanks to hot movies website I am able to watch scenes of every other company's stuff on there and I am blown away at how truly bad most of the production is. And by the way, the cutaway to dudes face right before the pop is the worst! I promise we will never ever do that again in any movie we shoot for ourselves or anyone ever again. What a wood killer! It really helped to become the consumer again. I have recently gone to the sets of mad TV and the Dr. Phil show for the sole purpose of watching how mainstream does things. There is most definatly a right way to do this stuff and it's not that difficult. I don't claim to be the best, but I guarantee you we are always working on it and we have invested in top notch production equipment. Every time someone from the industry comes by and sees our set they are blown away at the equipment we use to shoot porn because they never see it and know it's right. If you ever run across Peter North at one of the shows he will tell you one of the best shot scenes he has is the one we shot of him and Amber Bliss for his North Pole series. Check out this post from YankNSpank after he saw one of our latest scenes. https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=95437/forum_id=1/cat_id=1/95437.htm#post0 My point is there is a right way to shoot anything, be it porn, a documentary, a tv show, or star wars. Take the time to make the best product you can. Pay attention to the little details. Cut the tags of the chicks panties for god's sake. Get the wisp of hair stuck in her lipstick out of her mouth before you take the pretty girls. Male talent, KISS the girl why don't you. And for me personally, the gagagagah blowjob is such a turn off and I wont shoot it. (Yeah I know some of you like it.) For me the scenes that I like are the ones that are more like true to life sex. What you do in real life. In real life I pretty much don't pile drive my girlfriends or bust on their face, I cum in them, not on them, they are not asking me if I like fucking their tight eighteen year old pussy, they already know I do. And we spend time feeling each other up and kiss alot before during and after we fuck. But hey that's just me. Kevin Ducati Edited by - ducatiproductions on 4/29/2007 2:21:27 PM [Link]

Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 6:29PM [/quote] Quote: FatAlbert said: Coach, I see what you mean about real sex. But this is porn. I, as a viewer, want the option of seeing all the action in a frame. Perhaps it is adequate for some to see in the camera's view only penetration, or only her face, or quick-cutting back and forth, but I will continue to search for porn with full face-and-action-framed shots. [/quote] Search no further, we have what you are looking for. I will be happy to send you review copies of our latest releases. Just give an honest evaluation, fair enough? Just contact me. A scene should be an aggregate of well composed shots with varying focal lengths. A well shot and edited scene has a flow and a pace. It should make you want to see what's next... not bore you to tears. No fast forwarding needed in a well produced movie. Porn has always looked for a gimmick and the easy way out. POV with only close ups is an example of a gimmick. Bad camera work, lack of creativity, poor production values are an example of the easy way out. With the huge amounts of money some of these companies are making off you guys, you should expect and demand a whole lot better. You are the ones spending your hard earned money. But hey "its just porn" right? Edited by - tommy kaye on 4/29/2007 6:31:22 PM Edited by - tommy kaye on 4/29/2007 6:33:18 PM [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 2:42AM I recall reading an interview with Sharon Mitchell where she talked about a new girl, working in her first scene in porn, it was a DP and she said it took 10 hours to shoot. What the effing hell were they doing for 10 hours??? [Link]
Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 1:21PM Ordell wrote: I recall reading an interview with Sharon Mitchell where she talked about a new girl, working in her first scene in porn, it was a DP and she said it took 10 hours to shoot. What the effing hell were they doing for 10 hours??? Click to expand Taking their time? Seriously, you never know the circumstances or how many problems you can run into on a shoot. Short of releasing the girl/guys? from the set.... You must have patience. Some feature scenes can take up to 12 hours to shoot. [Link]
Alberto Rey Member 191 Posts 10/03	Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 9:13PM Well, first of all every body knows there is no porn university ! You learn all on your own ! Some individuals has more talent than others ! In today's porn anybody can buy a camera and call him self porn director ! I've seen some professional cameraman working in porn... Their camera work was not really better than some beginners ! They know how to set up the camera and all the theory about it but to shoot porn it's a long school where you learn every single day a little more ! Some people in the porn doesn't even know how to do a white balance properly and sometimes prefers to shoot in automatic mode ! Now in Hungary we have HUSTLER TV. I saw some films where I believe the cameraman (if I can call him like this) had absolutely no clue about how to shoot, how to use a camera, how to set up a camera ! No white balance, auto focus on, zooming all the time even if it's not required and etc... ! The only knowledge about camera is limited to ON/OFF [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 10:49PM I don't buy the excuse. There are film schools all over LA. Even a cheap, basic course in camerawork or direction would do wonders. But again, I guess it's asking too much to expect some pride of ownership in the Porn Valley. [Link]
Alberto Rey Member 191 Posts 10/03	Posted - May 1 2007 : 5:53AM Ordell wrote: I don't buy the excuse. There are film schools all over LA. Even a cheap, basic course in camerawork or direction would do wonders. But again, I guess it's asking too much to expect some pride of ownership in the Porn Valley. Click to expand When you see the kind of people involved in the porn in the valley... (but it's not a generality) Sometimes it's hard to believe that they spent in their lives even 1 day in a elementary school ! The only motivation is $$$ ! [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - May 1 2007 : 1:31PM Alberto Rey wrote: Ordell wrote: I don't buy the excuse. There are film schools all over LA. Even a cheap, basic course in camerawork or direction would do wonders. But again, I guess it's asking too much to expect some pride of ownership in the Porn Valley. Click to expand When you see the kind of people involved in the porn in the valley... (but it's not a generality) Sometimes it's hard to believe that they spent in their lives even 1 day in a elementary school ! The only motivation is $$$ ! Click to expand I think the answer can be found in this thread [Link]
Izabella Tommy Kaye Productions 15 Posts 3/07	Posted - May 2 2007 : 9:07AM I guess the thread link answered the question to this thread. Now you know what is wrong with the camera work. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 2 2007 : 9:50AM This thread reminds me of one of my worst pet peeves: the death of customer service. Nobody gives a good goddamn about quality, much less quality of experience. It's all "shit it and get it" and have the worst fucking attitude about having to do it in the first place while you're at it. I can name you any number of lazy, disaffected apathetic pornographers that make me want to slap them. Shoddy camera work is just the tip of the iceberg. "Who cares, it's only porn," they'll say. Who cares, it's just food preparation. Who cares, it's just personal hygiene among food processing workers and preparers (you don't want to know why the Tyson chicken has been recalled so much lately). Who cares, it's just med school. This "who cares, it's just" attitude makes me want to fucking puke on your shoes and say "who cares, it's just breakfast". Feh. Get me fucking started this fucking early in the fucking morning.... [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 2 2007 : 10:05AM I don't think the problem is really that porn fans aren't picky enough. To the contrary. I've read enough on this forum to see that most porn fans are very picky. The problem is that virtually everyone is different and it's almost impossible to satisfy everyone. Shoot it one way one group complains. Shoot it their way, the other group complains. Shoot it your way, everybody complains. Everybody wants it to be done their way. They want to see what they like and they don't care what other people like. Porn producers, figuring correctly that they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, shoot it as economically as they can, aiming for what they figure will be a majority market. The majority is used to MTV and various other similar stuff. And they're right. It sells. People complain but they still buy it. the 19 year olds with raging hormones aren't generally looking for production values. They just want to beat off. The basic truth here is that the people who make porn know their market. People who demand quality are a minority. [Link]

spitty Member 730 Posts 12/04	Posted - May 2 2007 : 11:44AM To Randomprecision, I don't think that many people would complain if the camera work was less shaky. Just because the music industry made young kids used to MTV , it doesn't mean that the porn industry has to copy that style. [Link]
Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 2 2007 : 11:44AM cobalt60 I want to personally pin a medal to your chest. You are soooo right on the bulls eye in telling it exactly how it is. Film making is easy.... till you try it. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 2 2007 : 12:15PM My good sir, no disrespect intended to you if you are indeed setting out to do what it is you claim earlier in this thread. I am under no illusion that proper film-making is easy. I appreciate everything you and Ducati have said in this thread. I wish you much deserved success if you do indeed apply the same ethic to your work as what comes out of your mouth. [Link]
Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 2 2007 : 1:20PM Cobalt60 no disrespect taken. You are right on again. Talk is cheap. Yes I have always tried my best to apply my ethics to my work. I have been around longer than most people in this business. Trying to produce sexy and entertaining movies on time constraints and with a low budget is challenging to say the least. Me and my people REALLY do care about what we produce. I'll just let my track record speak for itself. My experimental feature movie "Dark Desires" has appeared in prime time slots on Playboy TV's "Directors Cut Theatre". Since 2002 all of my work for Puritan International "Video Magazine" volumes 42 to 51 were selected for broadcast on cable TV PPV's, Satellite, Hotel chains. My latest 4 new releases under my own TKP logo have already been picked up for cable TV PPV and Hotel chains. These movies are "The Collectors", "Country Fresh" also titled as "Sex Crazed Farm Girls" for cable PPV, "The Metrosexual" and "Derrière Digest". Not many studios get picked up for these venues. Why? The sales brokers are very picky and tell me that most stuff they receive for review goes into the trash can. I thank you for your kind words wishing us success. We aren't trying to blow smoke at people. We are trying very hard to bring the standards of adult up to where we think it should be. We aren't producing high budget features right now. We hope too eventually. Our movies are feature/gonzo crossovers with great sex and quality production values. We would be happy to send you samples of our work. Please just let me know if you are interested. Again thank you for your comments. Tommy Kaye [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 2 2007 : 1:50PM Thanks, but if we're seen together too much, people might talk. [Link]
PornoJoe Member 25 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 2 2007 : 3:21PM My definition of great camera work/production values consists of the following.... Guy on his back, facing up. Girl riding him cowboy style. Camera between guy's knees facing up at girl's butt. Hold camera still for at least 2 minutes. Any movie with this in it is a work of art. [Link]
Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 2 2007 : 3:55PM Cobalt60.... mystery man no more. Well, well, small world. I knew you were out there. Now I can give you a cordial hello. Yes, you don't want to be seen with me is right... [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - May 2 2007 : 4:53PM Camera movement is definitely a problem. They keep moving the cameraman around to give the illusion of action where there is none, especially early on, when the actors are warming up and getting things going. I just wish they'd hold the fuck still. I get enough of that moving camera crap on Battlestar Galactica. [Link]
Steve Holmes Senior Member 1235 Posts 12/02	Posted - May 2 2007 : 5:38PM Izabella wrote: ... I worked on many big productions for Private and many other companies. The camera man is usually very professional. It was like a joke when the americans started shooting in Europe. ... Click to expand As a performer I've been to over 2000 sets in Europe and in the USA. You find a lot of good professional people on both sides of the Atlantic. To compare a regular PRIVATE production to a traveling gonzo line (i.e. Anabolic World Sex Tour) is unfair. It is a totally different category. I think porn is all about personal taste. Good porn is when you want to jerk off to it. For some people that is a great picture with perfect lighting, for others it might be the amateur look. Ordell wrote: ... They seem to have this notion that because they are a fringe industry there's no reason for excellence or pride in work done well. Click to expand That is really not true for many people. But I've learned that you have to compromise. You either work on perfect picture quality or you try to capture real sex. I prefer the real sex. I still try to get as good picture quality as possible. I've invested a lot in equipment and learned from many sources. But once the sex starts I try not to interrupt the action. Shoot it more like a reportage. If you want a perfect picture you have to re-light every angle. That kills the passion. Steve Holmes [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 2 2007 : 6:05PM Tommy Kaye wrote: Well, well, small world. Click to expand I just Googled to see if you had a website and imagine my surprise - we are apparently the same person. Who knew? My wife's going to be very surprised to find out what I've been up to, being in a rock band and making porno and all! [Link]

Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 2 2007 : 8:45PM Damn, I didn't realize that I was in a rock band. Hmmmm I have vision of a movie produced by Tommy Kaye with original Tommy Kaye music.... With our wifes permission of course, and with good production values. I don't want to get off topic here. BTW Who am I married too? [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 2 2007 : 8:47PM You talked to me first; you danced with the off-topic devil. I take no responsibility for it. Our wife is fantastic, by the way. [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - May 3 2007 : 2:30PM All I want are some straight up normal sex angles. I find it hilarious that they spend money renting mansions and then shoot sex scenes with the actors hanging painfully off the damn couch in an uncomfortable position. That's another plus in favor of JAV. They put the girl in an open room and she gets fucked on a bed or the floor. Rarely is it on a couch. The couple, or guys and girl, can stretch out and the cameraman shoots around them with ease. Not like this couch nonsense, where the sides and back get in the way. Didn't Tom Byron say his back was shot when he retired? What 41 year old man ruins his back fucking? Answer: one who fucks hanging off a couch all the time. It's an issue for me, you see, because I like my porn to be vicarious. As Steve said above, it should make you want to jerk off. When I watch some of the movies today and the painful contortions both partners have to engage in, all I can think is 'how can you fuck like that?' [Link]
Alberto Rey Member 191 Posts 10/03	Posted - May 4 2007 : 6:01AM I 100% agree with you Ordell ! It looks like they are looking for performance rather than just sex ! Sometimes it's not really realistic ! It can even be a big turn off even for me being in the business for 15 years ! Or it just make me laugh looking at them trying to fuck in the ultimate position...! [Link]
maccer Member 38 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 5 2007 : 3:51PM Nothing more annoying than beautiful women being shot by the crappiest directors who don't have a clue. But I feel the poor shooting is everywhere, not just in the U.S. Extreme close ups and everything shot from the ground up and holding that angle forever. Randy West I think did it best when he had his shots filmed from almost every angle, satisfying all viewers. Some of my favorite series like Peter North's "Northpole" series have fallen in this same poor shooting, even Suze Randall is falling into this dumb phase. What's the deal? [Link]
Tommy Kaye Member 135 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 6 2007 : 1:12PM maccer said: (quote) Randy West I think did it best when he had his shots filmed from almost every angle, satisfying all viewers. (quote) I think this is called proper film making and talent. [Link]
4theheart Senior Member pornologist 3102 Posts 8/01	Posted - May 6 2007 : 2:16PM One of my main pet peeves, is when a girl is doing an airtight, (mouth, pussy and ass penetration) and the action shifts to just a head shot of a girl, then moves frantically to a genitalia shot, while spending the least amount of time on showing all three at once! The girl's being serviced in three ways, so it makes sense to me to show that action while it's occurring. Other wise one could just just hire two guys, do the genitalia shot, then splice that in with some blowjob footage from earlier, lol. But in general, I will say that I have been seeing more full body shots in the more recent purchases that I've made, relative to what I typically watched in the 90's which tended to spend extensive periods of time on genitalia shots. [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - May 6 2007 : 3:56PM what i hate is the unnatural positions they create to get a shot of the genitalia as they fuck. To me thats not hot at all. But this is porn and thats what most people want to see i suppose. i'd rather stimulate your mind than emulate your purpose [Link]
Kensington Chapp Senior Citizen Mine is the biggest. 610 Posts 7/07	Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 7:05AM Alberto Rey, is your "." key broken? What's with all the !s? [Link]
payday Member damn 311 Posts 7/05	Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 9:32PM DreadSynapse wrote: what i hate is the unnatural positions they create to get a shot of the genitalia as they fuck. To me thats not hot at all. Click to expand I really and truly believe that 10% or less of porn fans enjoy these types of angles. The ever present monkey fuck where you get the captivating view of a harry mans asshole and balls..........and somewhere beneath is a vagina of some sorts [Link]
monkey power Member Tim? 868 Posts 1/03	Posted - Feb 18 2008 : 7:05PM in response to Steve's thoughtful post..... maybe, to keep the passion going as a new angle was lit, the performers could try to keep going at each other but a burly porn intern would jump onto the bed and hold the two of them apart. (This could be filmed for the BTS!) She'd be grabbing for his cock and lunging back towards him, but the bouncer guy would say "Break it up, break it up" and stiff arm her. Then the guy would try a football spin move to try and get past the intern and re-insert himself, but the intern would be waiting with an Acme brand vagina clamp. Then the crew would say they were ready for the new angle and the intern would take his seat and resume eating his sandwich. Just saying it doesn't have to be boring during a well planned out scene. (the inspiration for the "burly porn intern" idea was Jew Hefner's security guard in Fuck for Dollars 6.) Edited by - Monkey Power on 2/18/2008 7:10:49 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 19 2008 : 3:14AM payday wrote: The ever present monkey fuck where you get the captivating view of a harry mans asshole and balls..........and somewhere beneath is a vagina of some sorts Click to expand I hate this shot as well. Other annoying shots is when they shoot the blowjob from underneath or even worse, through the guy's legs! These kind of unnatural shots mystify me. Edited by - BlackSix on 2/19/2008 3:15:13 AM [Link]
backdoorman Senior Member Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman ! 2776 Posts 10/07	Posted - Feb 19 2008 : 10:17AM Not sure if this was mentioned but I hate the guy picking the girl up while he's standing and bouncing her up and down to show how strong he is. Just jealous I guess. That would fucking kill me ! [Link]

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Ordell
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 4:17PM

After going on a JAV binge I've been drifting back to the west, but alone with the revolting tattoos, piercings and male performers, the camerawork is another element of American porn that's just awful. They turn the camera on screwball angles and do the ever-popular extreme closeup.

Who's to blame, the cameramen or the directors? JAV, for all the annoyances of the pixilation, shoots very well. You get full length body shots, straighter angles, highlighting the woman's body, lots of POV shots with the girl looking right into the camera (they give the camera to the male performer), shooting a missionary scene and still managing to get almost all of the guy out of the shot.

I don't say this to bash, I want to know why we settle for so much less.

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spitty
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 4:36PM

I feel the same way , Ordell. I can't stand the camerawork in today's porn. The camera operators are all over the place with weird angles , fast zooming in and out , way too much shaking and movement ...and many of them don't seem to know what to focus on and when. In other words , they film the wrong things at the wrong time. Ex. when 2 girls are french kissing , don't fucking film their asses, for crying out loud !!!
There's plenty of time to show everything but some of these guys film as if they have a plane to catch. This is not MTV , it's porn.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 8:16PM

It might help if you give examples of what you're referring to....instead of pointing the finger at "American porn". That's a bit too general.

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Izabella
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 10:18PM

I totaly agree with these comments about bad camera work in american porn. Especially gonzo movies. Most gonzo is like home movies. Do you think that the people shooting these movies have university training to do this job? For sure I say, and Bush is loved in my country too.

I was born and raised in Europe. I worked on many big productions for Private and many other companies. The camera man is usually very professional. It was like a joke when the americans started shooting in Europe. We couldn't understand why they work that way. The camera man flying the camera all over the place. Some of the movies look like a monkey was given a camera to play with. They just point it and walk all over the place without looking at the picture. They don't use camera supports or good lights. Is this supposed to make the movie more erotic or something? It makes me dizzy.... I think these people just don't know how to make a movie is probably the reason.

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spitty
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 10:19PM

The last few belladonna titles have lots of movement.
"storm squirters" by Joey Silvera has very bad camera work.
Some of the "Mouth2Mouth" volumes by Chico Wang have very fast zooming and tilting.
Seymore Butts moves and shakes alot ...always did.
Extreme Associates is insane.
Many "Vertigo" titles by Martin del toro were horribly filmed.

There are many more that I have seen but I just can't remember the specifics. It's not just American porn , though. Rocco and Christoph Clarke aren't too steady , either. I have also seen some british porn with terrible camera work , as well as Brazilian porn.
So far , the Japanese have been the best , in my opinion. They have some bad ones , too , but almost everything that I have seen has been well filmed and well lit.

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Ordell
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 11:02PM

Um, anything? Lately I've Dl'ed a few Devon Michaels clips and they are unwatchable simply because of the cockeyed angle. I have to twist my head until one ear is on my shoulder to take in the action.

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fundo
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Posted - Apr 28 2007 : 11:23PM

I agree with you, Izabella. I'd like to offer this--that few (if any) Americans who make porn are skilled at their craft. In America, talented filmmakers gravitate to the lucrative mainstream motion picture, film, television and advertising industries. Those Americans with little or no talent can't compete in that rarified atmosphere; and some choose adult as a viable option to working 9-5.

In parts of Europe, there may not be as many opportunities for cameramen to ply their trade as there are in America. As a result, perhaps more talented cameramen in Europe choose adult as an option, and when they do, comparison to the less-talented American counterparts becomes obvious. This is one explanation for what I agree is so often terrible camera work in American-adult. Because there are many talented, Academy Award winning American cinematographers working in mainstream film, as evidenced by the tremendous output of mainstream American filmmakers, the reason for poor camerawork in American adult may be that it's the career of choice of those who cannot compete with their mainstream counterparts.

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ducatiproductions
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 12:29AM

There is hope.... All new scenes shot by Ducati Productions are now shot on a jib mounted to a dolly on a track. Audio is run through a boom mike and mixer as well. You will not be seeing the "18" cammera man" shots from the floor to the ceiling, no zooms so tight your eyes cant keep up with the motion, More medium to full length body shots to see what is actually going on in the scene, NO shakey camera, no running in zoom ins/outs, No sideways camera angles that make you have to tilt your head to watch the scene and audio that doesnt fade/get louder as camera moves in and out.

Just our opinion, but we think this is the way it should be. If we are wrong, so is mainstream movie and television production.

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Ordell
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 1:24AM

Heh well good for you Ducati. I really am tired of the laziness in the porno industry. They seem to have this notion that because they are a fringe industry there's no reason for excellence or pride in work done well.

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coachcam
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 9:45AM

This not only pertains to video, but stills too.
The cameras now are so easy to use, EVERYONE is now a photographer or video camera person. Many have no clue about composition, expression or lighting. Number one, they don't see something objectionable in the shot, because they were never trained to. And IF they see it, the attitude is we'll photo shop it out or do it in post. All that takes extra time and costs extra money.

Yes, I shoot some tight shots of penetration, but the beauty of a woman is from the waist up. I shoot lots of those parts...boobs and faces. When real people have sex, what does a guy want to watch while his partner has an orgasm? Her pussy or her face? If he looks at her face, he sees the pleasure he has given her. And before I'm accused of having something against butts or legs, I shoot those too. But it's all about the facial expressions. Just my opinion.

coachcam

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spitty
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 10:12AM

Hi Coachcam,

There's definately nothing wrong with shooting tight shots of penetration. I like close ups too. I think that a good balance can be obtained quite easily with just a little bit of coaching. Videos are longer ...so there is plenty of time to capture good footage. There is no reason to have the camera going at a frantic pace. Let the energy and intensity come from the actresses / actors.
I seriously don't see how filming a sex scene can be so difficult. I have made a few custom videos and , with just a few notes in my script , the cameraman was able to capture almost exactly what I wanted....and I am talking very amateur stuff here . ( inferior equipment , low budget , no training)
The way I see it , many camera operators are very likely just interested in their own ideas and they are not thinking of the customer. This is the biggest problem , IMO.

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 1:30PM

Well said. I know that you put a lot of effort into your productions. We do as well. It seems that with the advent of the gonzo category, professionalism and creativity in adult went out the window. Yes there is hope and change is in the wind in this crowded market. The consumers are getting tired of bad productions. The cream will eventually rise to the top.

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fatalbert
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 1:49PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I will be checking out your studio's titles immediately.

Close ups obviously have an attraction to many (or they would not be so ubiquitous), but seeing "body parts" fucking doesn't do a thing for me -- seeing attractive people fucking does.

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fatalbert
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 2:06PM

Coach, I see what you mean about real sex. But this is porn. I, as a viewer, want the option of seeing all the action in a frame.

Perhaps it is adequate for some to see in the camera's view only penetration, or only her face, or quick-cutting back and forth, but I will continue to search for porn with full face-and-action-framed shots.

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ducatiproductions
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 2:17PM

The biggest thing that really irritates me is when I hear someone say "It's Just porn". It's that kind of attitude why there is so much crap out there. In the past few weeks I have gone back to my "roots" as a porn watcher to see what gets me off. It can be easy to lose touch with the early days of enjoying porn before you produced it. Thanks to hot movies website I am able to watch scenes of every other company's stuff on there and I am blown away at how truly bad most of the production is. And by the way, the cutaway to dudes face right before the pop is the worst! I promise we will never ever do that again in any movie we shoot for ourselves or anyone ever again. What a wood killer! It really helped to become the consumer again.

I have recently gone to the sets of mad TV and the Dr. Phil show for the sole purpose of watching how mainstream does things. There is most definatly a right way to do this stuff and it's not that difficult. I don't claim to be the best, but I guarantee you we are always working on it and we have invested in top notch production equipment. Every time someone from the industry comes by and sees our set they are blown away at the equipment we use to shoot porn because they never see it and know it's right. If you ever run across Peter North at one of the shows he will tell you one of the best shot scenes he has is the one we shot of him and Amber Bliss for his North Pole series. Check out this post from YankNSpank after he saw one of our latest scenes. https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=95437/forum_id=1/cat_id=1/95437.htm#post0

My point is there is a right way to shoot anything, be it porn, a documentary, a tv show, or star wars. Take the time to make the best product you can. Pay attention to the little details. Cut the tags of the chicks panties for god's sake. Get the wisp of hair stuck in her lipstick out of her mouth before you take the pretty girls. Male talent, KISS the girl why don't you. And for me personally, the gagagagah blowjob is such a turn off and I wont shoot it. (Yeah I know some of you like it.)

For me the scenes that I like are the ones that are more like true to life sex. What you do in real life. In real life I pretty much don't pile drive my girlfriends or bust on their face, I cum in them, not on them, they are not asking me if I like fucking their tight eighteen year old pussy, they already know I do. And we spend time feeling each other up and kiss alot before during and after we fuck. But hey that's just me.

Kevin Ducati

Edited by - ducatiproductions on 4/29/2007 2:21:27 PM

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 6:29PM

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Quote: FatAlbert said:

Coach, I see what you mean about real sex. But this is
porn. I, as a viewer, want the option of seeing all the action in a frame.

Search no further, we have what you are looking for. I will be happy to send you review copies of our latest releases. Just give an honest evaluation, fair enough? Just contact me.

A scene should be an aggregate of well composed shots with varying focal lengths. A well shot and edited scene has a flow and a pace. It should make you want to see what's next... not bore you to tears. No fast forwarding needed in a well produced movie.

Porn has always looked for a gimmick and the easy way out. POV with only close ups is an example of a gimmick. Bad camera work, lack of creativity, poor production values are an example of the easy way out. With the huge amounts of money some of these companies are making off you guys, you should expect and demand a whole lot better. You are the ones spending your hard earned money. But hey "its just porn" right?

Edited by - tommy kaye on 4/29/2007 6:31:22 PM

Edited by - tommy kaye on 4/29/2007 6:33:18 PM

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Ordell
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Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 2:42AM

I recall reading an interview with Sharon Mitchell where she talked about a new girl, working in her first scene in porn, it was a DP and she said it took 10 hours to shoot. What the effing hell were they doing for 10 hours???

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 1:21PM

Taking their time? Seriously, you never know the circumstances or how many problems you can run into on a shoot. Short of releasing the girl/guys? from the set.... You must have patience. Some feature scenes can take up to 12 hours to shoot.

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Alberto Rey
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Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 9:13PM

Well,
first of all every body knows there is no porn university !
You learn all on your own !
Some individuals has more talent than others !

In today's porn anybody can buy a camera and call him self porn director !

I've seen some professional cameraman working in porn...
Their camera work was not really better than some beginners !
They know how to set up the camera and all the theory about it but to shoot porn it's a long school where you learn every single day a little more !

Some people in the porn doesn't even know how to do a white balance properly and sometimes prefers to shoot in automatic mode !

Now in Hungary we have HUSTLER TV. I saw some films where I believe the cameraman (if I can call him like this) had absolutely no clue about how to shoot, how to use a camera, how to set up a camera !
No white balance, auto focus on, zooming all the time even if it's not required and etc... !
The only knowledge about camera is limited to ON/OFF

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Ordell
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Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 10:49PM

I don't buy the excuse. There are film schools all over LA. Even a cheap, basic course in camerawork or direction would do wonders. But again, I guess it's asking too much to expect some pride of ownership in the Porn Valley.

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Alberto Rey
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Posted - May 1 2007 : 5:53AM

When you see the kind of people involved in the porn in the valley... (but it's not a generality)
Sometimes it's hard to believe that they spent in their lives even 1 day in a elementary school !
The only motivation is $$$ !

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Clam Digger
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Posted - May 1 2007 : 1:31PM

I think the answer can be found in this thread

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Izabella
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 9:07AM

I guess the thread link answered the question to this thread. Now you know what is wrong with the camera work.

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cobalt60
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 9:50AM

This thread reminds me of one of my worst pet peeves: the death of customer service. Nobody gives a good goddamn about quality, much less quality of experience. It's all "shit it and get it" and have the worst fucking attitude about having to do it in the first place while you're at it.

I can name you any number of lazy, disaffected apathetic pornographers that make me want to slap them. Shoddy camera work is just the tip of the iceberg. "Who cares, it's only porn," they'll say.

Who cares, it's just food preparation. Who cares, it's just personal hygiene among food processing workers and preparers (you don't want to know why the Tyson chicken has been recalled so much lately).

Who cares, it's just med school.

This "who cares, it's just" attitude makes me want to fucking puke on your shoes and say "who cares, it's just breakfast".

Feh. Get me fucking started this fucking early in the fucking morning....

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 10:05AM

I don't think the problem is really that porn fans aren't picky enough. To the contrary. I've read enough on this forum to see that most porn fans are very picky. The problem is that virtually everyone is different and it's almost impossible to satisfy everyone. Shoot it one way one group complains. Shoot it their way, the other group complains. Shoot it your way, everybody complains. Everybody wants it to be done their way. They want to see what they like and they don't care what other people like.

Porn producers, figuring correctly that they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, shoot it as economically as they can, aiming for what they figure will be a majority market. The majority is used to MTV and various other similar stuff. And they're right. It sells. People complain but they still buy it. the 19 year olds with raging hormones aren't generally looking for production values. They just want to beat off. The basic truth here is that the people who make porn know their market. People who demand quality are a minority.

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spitty
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 11:44AM

To Randomprecision,

I don't think that many people would complain if the camera work was less shaky. Just because the music industry made young kids used to MTV , it doesn't mean that the porn industry has to copy that style.

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 11:44AM

cobalt60 I want to personally pin a medal to your chest. You are soooo right on the bulls eye in telling it exactly how it is.

Film making is easy.... till you try it.

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cobalt60
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 12:15PM

My good sir, no disrespect intended to you if you are indeed setting out to do what it is you claim earlier in this thread.

I am under no illusion that proper film-making is easy.

I appreciate everything you and Ducati have said in this thread. I wish you much deserved success if you do indeed apply the same ethic to your work as what comes out of your mouth.

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 1:20PM

Cobalt60 no disrespect taken. You are right on again. Talk is cheap. Yes I have always tried my best to apply my ethics to my work. I have been around longer than most people in this business. Trying to produce sexy and entertaining movies on time constraints and with a low budget is challenging to say the least. Me and my people REALLY do care about what we produce. I'll just let my track record speak for itself.

My experimental feature movie "Dark Desires" has appeared in prime time slots on Playboy TV's "Directors Cut Theatre". Since 2002 all of my work for Puritan International "Video Magazine" volumes 42 to 51 were selected for broadcast on cable TV PPV's, Satellite, Hotel chains. My latest 4 new releases under my own TKP logo have already been picked up for cable TV PPV and Hotel chains. These movies are "The Collectors", "Country Fresh" also titled as "Sex Crazed Farm Girls" for cable PPV, "The Metrosexual" and "Derrière Digest". Not many studios get picked up for these venues. Why? The sales brokers are very picky and tell me that most stuff they receive for review goes into the trash can.

I thank you for your kind words wishing us success. We aren't trying to blow smoke at people. We are trying very hard to bring the standards of adult up to where we think it should be. We aren't producing high budget features right now. We hope too eventually. Our movies are feature/gonzo crossovers with great sex and quality production values.

We would be happy to send you samples of our work. Please just let me know if you are interested.
Again thank you for your comments.

Tommy Kaye

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cobalt60
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 1:50PM

Thanks, but if we're seen together too much, people might talk.

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PornoJoe
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 3:21PM

My definition of great camera work/production values consists of the following....

Guy on his back, facing up. Girl riding him cowboy style. Camera between guy's knees facing up at girl's butt.
Hold camera still for at least 2 minutes.

Any movie with this in it is a work of art.

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 3:55PM

Cobalt60.... mystery man no more. Well, well, small world. I knew you were out there. Now I can give you a cordial hello. Yes, you don't want to be seen with me is right...

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Ordell
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 4:53PM

Camera movement is definitely a problem. They keep moving the cameraman around to give the illusion of action where there is none, especially early on, when the actors are warming up and getting things going. I just wish they'd hold the fuck still. I get enough of that moving camera crap on Battlestar Galactica.

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Steve Holmes
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 5:38PM

As a performer I've been to over 2000 sets in Europe and in the USA. You find a lot of good professional people on both sides of the Atlantic.

To compare a regular PRIVATE production to a traveling gonzo line (i.e. Anabolic World Sex Tour) is unfair. It is a totally different category.

I think porn is all about personal taste. Good porn is when you want to jerk off to it. For some people that is a great picture with perfect lighting, for others it might be the amateur look.

That is really not true for many people. But I've learned that you have to compromise. You either work on perfect picture quality or you try to capture real sex. I prefer the real sex.

I still try to get as good picture quality as possible. I've invested a lot in equipment and learned from many sources. But once the sex starts I try not to interrupt the action. Shoot it more like a reportage.

If you want a perfect picture you have to re-light every angle. That kills the passion.

Steve Holmes

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cobalt60
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 6:05PM

I just Googled to see if you had a website and imagine my surprise - we are apparently the same person. Who knew? My wife's going to be very surprised to find out what I've been up to, being in a rock band and making porno and all!

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 8:45PM

Damn, I didn't realize that I was in a rock band. Hmmmm I have vision of a movie produced by Tommy Kaye with original Tommy Kaye music.... With our wifes permission of course, and with good production values. I don't want to get off topic here.

BTW Who am I married too?

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cobalt60
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Posted - May 2 2007 : 8:47PM

You talked to me first; you danced with the off-topic devil. I take no responsibility for it. Our wife is fantastic, by the way.

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Ordell
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Posted - May 3 2007 : 2:30PM

All I want are some straight up normal sex angles. I find it hilarious that they spend money renting mansions and then shoot sex scenes with the actors hanging painfully off the damn couch in an uncomfortable position. That's another plus in favor of JAV. They put the girl in an open room and she gets fucked on a bed or the floor. Rarely is it on a couch. The couple, or guys and girl, can stretch out and the cameraman shoots around them with ease. Not like this couch nonsense, where the sides and back get in the way.

Didn't Tom Byron say his back was shot when he retired? What 41 year old man ruins his back fucking? Answer: one who fucks hanging off a couch all the time.

It's an issue for me, you see, because I like my porn to be vicarious. As Steve said above, it should make you want to jerk off. When I watch some of the movies today and the painful contortions both partners have to engage in, all I can think is 'how can you fuck like that?'

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Alberto Rey
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Posted - May 4 2007 : 6:01AM

I 100% agree with you Ordell !
It looks like they are looking for performance rather than just sex !
Sometimes it's not really realistic !
It can even be a big turn off even for me being in the business for 15 years !
Or it just make me laugh looking at them trying to fuck in the ultimate position...!

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maccer
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Posted - May 5 2007 : 3:51PM

Nothing more annoying than beautiful women being shot by the crappiest directors who don't have a clue. But I feel the poor shooting is everywhere, not just in the U.S. Extreme close ups and everything shot from the ground up and holding that angle forever. Randy West I think did it best when he had his shots filmed from almost every angle, satisfying all viewers. Some of my favorite series like Peter North's "Northpole" series have fallen in this same poor shooting, even Suze Randall is falling into this dumb phase. What's the deal?

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Tommy Kaye
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 1:12PM

maccer said:
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Randy West I think did it best when he had his shots filmed from almost every angle, satisfying all viewers. (quote)

I think this is called proper film making and talent.

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4theheart
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 2:16PM

One of my main pet peeves, is when a girl is doing an airtight, (mouth, pussy and ass penetration) and the action shifts to just a head shot of a girl, then moves frantically to a genitalia shot, while spending the least amount of time on showing all three at once! The girl's being serviced in three ways, so it makes sense to me to show that action while it's occurring. Other wise one could just just hire two guys, do the genitalia shot, then splice that in with some blowjob footage from earlier, lol. But in general, I will say that I have been seeing more full body shots in the more recent purchases that I've made, relative to what I typically watched in the 90's which tended to spend extensive periods of time on genitalia shots.

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Dread
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 3:56PM

what i hate is the unnatural positions they create to get a shot of the genitalia as they fuck. To me thats not hot at all. But this is porn and thats what most people want to see i suppose.

i'd rather stimulate your mind than emulate your purpose

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Kensington Chapp
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Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 7:05AM

Alberto Rey, is your "." key broken? What's with all the !s?

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payday
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damn
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Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 9:32PM

I really and truly believe that 10% or less of porn fans enjoy these types of angles.
The ever present monkey fuck where you get the captivating view of a harry mans asshole and balls..........and somewhere beneath is a vagina of some sorts

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monkey power
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Posted - Feb 18 2008 : 7:05PM

in response to Steve's thoughtful post.....
maybe, to keep the passion going as a new angle was lit, the performers could try to keep going at each other but a burly porn intern would jump onto the bed and hold the two of them apart. (This could be filmed for the BTS!) She'd be grabbing for his cock and lunging back towards him, but the bouncer guy would say "Break it up, break it up" and stiff arm her. Then the guy would try a football spin move to try and get past the intern and re-insert himself, but the intern would be waiting with an Acme brand vagina clamp. Then the crew would say they were ready for the new angle and the intern would take his seat and resume eating his sandwich.
Just saying it doesn't have to be boring during a well planned out scene.
(the inspiration for the "burly porn intern" idea was Jew Hefner's security guard in Fuck for Dollars 6.)
Edited by - Monkey Power on 2/18/2008 7:10:49 PM

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BlackSix

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Posted - Feb 19 2008 : 3:14AM

I hate this shot as well. Other annoying shots is when they shoot the blowjob from underneath or even worse, through the guy's legs! These kind of unnatural shots mystify me.
Edited by - BlackSix on 2/19/2008 3:15:13 AM

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backdoorman
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Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman !
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Posted - Feb 19 2008 : 10:17AM

Not sure if this was mentioned but I hate the guy picking the girl up while he's standing and bouncing her up and down to show how strong he is. Just jealous I guess. That would fucking kill me !

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