whatever happened to bros before hoes?

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Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 12:55PM One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights." Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry. And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women. I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard. But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women. I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side. Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side. But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor. "How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!" (Meanwhile no one has a problem with that same girl appearing in Filthy Whore Bag Cum Sluts #27..., respect only goes so far, I suppose) I visit the European porn sites and it's never like this. The guys seem to understand that porn is a male fantasy and the girls are the attractive conduit to fulfill that fantasy. If you have real respect for women, you probably don't want them in porn in the first place because you're reducing them to one-dimensional masturbation fodder. Let's face it, most porn stars come and go. The shelf life of the average starlet is three years or so. They're in the business to get some fame, make some money and you're in the business of finding a piece of work they're in that you want to purchase. I simply don't understand the emotional connection some men have to these women. Is it just due to the whole masturbating to them that somehow forges an imaginary connection to these girls? I get that to a point but in my mind, if there's anyone your allegiances should lie with, it's your fellow porn fans. They're in the same boat as you. Agree? Probably not. Disagree? Most on this board likely will. I can only hope you answer with some true insight instead of just lambasting me for daring not to worship at the altar of porn chicks. [Link]
Pete Zaface Senior Member 3064 Posts 8/03	Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 1:17PM You think it's bad here, you should visit an escort board, where the white knights either have already actually had sex with the woman the post is about and hope to again, or hope to have sex with her for the first time. Noses get browner than a parking lot full of UPS trucks. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:41AM Irex wrote: I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women. I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard. But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women. Click to expand Your statement here reflects much of what is wrong with our society on the issue of gender disparity. On the one hand, we say that women and men are equal to each other. Therefore, we promote egalitarianism between the sexes. But in the same breath, we say that women must still be "protected" and "defended." Protected from what? Defended by whom? Are women entitled to more defense from the harms of society than men are? I disagree with this assertion. If the sexes are equal, then we're equal in all social respects. We can't say that women are equal to men when it comes to rights, economics, and so forth, but are still so weak that they must be protected by men. In regards to porn, and addressing your larger point, this is why it bothers me when I see posts here on this forum that express this view that adult women are weak and helpless and constantly in need of male defense. It puzzles me when I see posts here from men saying that porno girls who perform certain hardcore/extreme acts are somehow more "degraded" than girls who stick to the vanilla stuff. I always thought that individuals decided what is "degrading" for themselves. It also perplexes me when I see posts saying that a girl who performs for Max Hardcore or Khan Tusion is somehow under a more negative influence than a contract girl for Vivid. It always comes across as being the age-old "save the damsel in distress" thing, even when the "damsel" is not in any distress at all. Let's also not forget all the guys who think that 18 is too young for a girl to decide to be in porn, but is not too young of an age to make any other adult life decisions. Of course, we never hear any of these same concerns expressed about the male performers in porn, only the women. I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side. Click to expand I can understand why a woman might not want to date a guy who's shorter than her. But to turn a guy down solely for any of the other reasons, then she's just a bitch. I also agree that the most ardent porn fanboys who go crazy over their favorite starlets are not representative of the typical male. For example, in my own personal experience, I have never heard a man express a desire to marry a pornstar. Fuck one, Yes. Marry one, No. The online porn forums seem to be the only place, in my experience, where men express this desire. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:53AM Everyone should be treated with respect, unless they fail to treat others in the same way, just because a woman performs in porn is no reason to be rude or mistreat them. The tone of your post is very juvenile, are you a grown man? Who could take such macho nonsense seriously? Edited by - BlackSix on 4/8/2010 4:17:31 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:16AM realtip wrote: I can understand why a woman might not want to date a guy who's shorter than her. But to turn a guy down solely for any of the other reasons, then she's just a bitch. Click to expand [Link]

bouges Member 101 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:25AM The way I look at porn is that I have respect for those that do it simply because I like to watch. I do not see the porn industry or any particular performer owing me or any other fan of porn a thing. I strongly believe that performers have the right to pick and choose what they will or will not do. I do not understand those that take up the attitude that every performer (at least the ones they are fans of) must do IR, must do anal, must do DP's or whatever it is... what fucking right do we as porn fans have to demand anything like that of the performers? We may make requests and all, but beyond that there is nothing else - they either do or don't do the request, and if they do not do the request, we should all have the human decency and maturity to respect and accept their choice. We as fans do not have to agree with any given performer's choice or even like it, but that gives us no right to attack or even question the performer for THEIR choice. And for the record, to those that think that asking a performer to do "whatever the fuck it is" can legitimately ask "why so closed minded?" is no bro to me... to ask that is only being a selfish asshole that resorts to being childish, rude, mean, and so on to the very highest levels of douchery because they did not get their way. As Blacksix said, grow up. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 5:27AM I predict this thread will be locked. [Link]
Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 6:53AM An asshole is an asshole, even if he is a fellow porn fan. [Link]
deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 7:47AM A thread started by an obviously jealous sexually confused teenager who just can't understand the attention us real men pay women. Us guys who realize how a woman should be treated no matter what she does for a living. [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:15PM deputyduffy wrote: A thread started by an obviously jealous sexually confused teenager who just can't understand the attention us real men pay women. Us guys who realize how a woman should be treated no matter what she does for a living. Click to expand Really? You're paying attention to women who get paid to have sex on screen for a living and acting like she's your girlfriend and I'm the one who's confused? I'm all for dissent but let's not get ridiculous... My point is, it's a business and if you wanna act like it's something different that's your right, but to me, your fellow consumer is much more your friend and ally. It doesn't matter what a girl does for a living. I wouldn't condemn a porn star for a second for her choice in career. I do find acting like you're above what other people in the business do is ridiculous and I do think that worshiping a girl in porn is also far more ridiculous. You have no emotional connection to them. Nothing real, in any case. In this situation, you're dealing with a created porn persona, somebody who seemingly fucks at the drop of a hat. Most women in the real world don't act like this. I also find it funny that people seem to think it's immature to ask girls about their preferences and what they'll do or won't do. Want to know a dirty secret about porn? Come in close... They tend to do most of the stuff people ask about anyway- especially when their careers are on the wane. It's very rare a girl lasts in this business five or more years without doing the virtual laundry list of everything under the sun. Maybe the top five % can last ten to twenty before doing the checklist of porn sideshows. I just don't understand why guys can't discuss it like adults. But it doesn't surprise that the most negative posts in the thread resort to calling me immature or childish. I think the most ardent worshipers are somewhat stunted socially and don't want to be called out on it in my opinion. [Link]
Brianmarleau420 Member 70 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:30PM where can I find these Escort boards you speak of? [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 3:21PM bouges wrote: And for the record, to those that think that asking a performer to do "whatever the fuck it is" can legitimately ask "why so closed minded?" is no bro to me... to ask that is only being a selfish asshole that resorts to being childish, rude, mean, and so on to the very highest levels of douchery because they did not get their way. As Blacksix said, grow up. Click to expand This. The topper of it all is if they don't get an answer that satisfies them they go on a tirade and harass the girls endlessly. They can do what they want. If they want to do gangbangs bukkake anal or whatever thats on them. I never get throwing a fit because the girl doesn't do something YOU like and refuse to accept that fact. There's prime examples all over this site. ----Dread---- [Link]
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy Deactivated User Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 3:49PM Irex, I like the post you put up. I like the way you come with what you feel. There will never be a shortage of people who feel the need to attack you for your opinion, especially if you get close to the truth. I am a gentleman to all the ladies of porn, and yet I can predict that I will be absolutely and unconditionally ignored by all the ladies in porn. This is no big deal. If they were to admit that I am right about my viewpoints and opinions, they would be flushing their careers down the toilet. Often there can be no real debate when a group of liars goes up against one man speaking the truth. They would rather insult or ignore. I say no hoes or bros in this totally corrupted business, just have faith in yourself and keep an open mind. [Link]
jazzyfae728 Member 75 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:09PM in before the lock [Link]
Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:39PM Irex wrote: But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor. Click to expand How utterly pathetic does someone have to be to bitch and whine and harass women about their choice of sexual act? Someone that juvenile and idiotic definitely isn't someone I'd want as a "bro". You seriously think that other guys should line up to support the kind of douchebaggery that happens far too often even on this porn forum? Getting fed up with tedious trolling isn't necessarily anything to do with being a "white-knight" and putting performers on a pedestal. Although, personally, I rather like having performers post here. Not for fantasy "emotional connections"; I'm more interested in candid pics, news about the latest hot newbies, and the odd funny porn story. It seems to me that it's the guys who obsess about what porn performers will and won't do who are the ones that get over emotional when it comes to porn, they're the ones starting arguments after all. [Link]

Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:53PM Dave_K99 wrote: Irex wrote: But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor. Click to expand How utterly pathetic does someone have to be to bitch and whine and harass women about their choice of sexual act? Someone that juvenile and idiotic definitely isn't someone I'd want as a "bro". You seriously think that other guys should line up to support the kind of douchebaggery that happens far too often even on this porn forum? Getting fed up with tedious trolling isn't necessarily anything to do with being a "white-knight" and putting performers on a pedestal. Although, personally, I rather like having performers post here. Not for fantasy "emotional connections"; I'm more interested in candid pics, news about the latest hot newbies, and the odd funny porn story. It seems to me that it's the guys who obsess about what porn performers will and won't do who are the ones that get over emotional when it comes to porn, they're the ones starting arguments after all. Click to expand I would agree that trolling is bad. Asking a question is not trolling. Why are you getting so overheated? Again, I knew this would degenerate into a visceral argument and it saddens me. Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. He's the guy you have the most in common with. The girls are paid to do what they do. Why is it such a major issue to ask what they will do for that pay? Asking if a girl will do anal, internal or IR or whatever isn't trolling, its asking a question. If you ask it fifty times it is trolling. In any case, I too expect this thread to be closed simply because some guys can't argue a point without making it personal. Pity, that. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 5:09PM Irex wrote: Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. He's the guy you have the most in common with. The girls are paid to do what they do. Why is it such a major issue to ask what they will do for that pay? Click to expand OK I'll argue the point without getting emotional or personal. There are tons of threads about all manner of porn practices that people hate. For sake of discussion, I'll single out spitting. Person A: I hate spitting. Person B: I love spitting. Industry person: Our spitting titles are selling really well, you guys on this board are out of touch with the real world. So...I blame my fellow consumer for the crap that's on the market, because they are buying it and encouraging the producers to keep making it. The girls are just doing what they are told by the director. I don't have anything in common with the girls, but at least they can't be blamed for the crappy stuff that the director directed and shot and my "fellow consumers" supported by buying it. My fellow porn consumer is more foe than bro. Nothing personal. [Link]
Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 5:30PM Irex wrote: Why are you getting so overheated? Click to expand I'm not getting angry, I'm just bemused by the nonsense I read on this forum sometimes. Irex wrote: Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. He's the guy you have the most in common with. Click to expand Nonsense like that for example. Fellow porn consumers are no more my "ally" than fellow breakfast cereal consumers. I don't necessarily have anything more in common with a particular porn viewer than I do with the star of Filthy Whore Bag Cum Sluts #27. Irex wrote: Why is it such a major issue to ask what they will do for that pay? Click to expand Just asking that question doesn't receive the "white knight" response that you're moaning about. That only starts when someone gets butt-hurt because a performer doesn't fulfil their personal fantasies, and starts acting like a juvenile prick about it. Or when someone's question is clearly an attempt to start an argument that's been argued a hundred times before. Or when the way the question is asked screams passive-aggressive from every word. Bullshit that happens far too often. [Link]
Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 6:54PM Irex wrote: One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights." Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry. And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women. I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard. But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women. I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side. Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side. But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor. "How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!" (Meanwhile no one has a problem with that same girl appearing in Filthy Whore Bag Cum Sluts #27..., respect only goes so far, I suppose) I visit the European porn sites and it's never like this. The guys seem to understand that porn is a male fantasy and the girls are the attractive conduit to fulfill that fantasy. If you have real respect for women, you probably don't want them in porn in the first place because you're reducing them to one-dimensional masturbation fodder. Let's face it, most porn stars come and go. The shelf life of the average starlet is three years or so. They're in the business to get some fame, make some money and you're in the business of finding a piece of work they're in that you want to purchase. I simply don't understand the emotional connection some men have to these women. Is it just due to the whole masturbating to them that somehow forges an imaginary connection to these girls? I get that to a point but in my mind, if there's anyone your allegiances should lie with, it's your fellow porn fans. They're in the same boat as you. Agree? Probably not. Disagree? Most on this board likely will. I can only hope you answer with some true insight instead of just lambasting me for daring not to worship at the altar of porn chicks. Click to expand The easy answer is probably that the guys are afraid that the female pornstars wont be able to take critisics at all and leave the forum. I think its a bit sad that posters not even dare in doing creative critisicm any moore. Some are good in taking critique Ally Kay, Madelyn Marie and Amy Brooke are some in here that come to mind. I have censored myself to some stars, I have to admit that but I try to give them an honest opinion as much as I can and I always try to formulate in the best way I can so it doesn't feel like an attack. [Link]
xayhoundb Senior Member 2721 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 7:05PM Most people here are taking this thread the wrong way. Well, the ones that are trying to sling "in general" insults that are obviously directed to the OP. I actually like this thread, because it's the truth. It's become the point that the stuff some people say it's unreal. The brown-nosing, and the overly creepy compliments has gotten worse and worse. I mean come on, if you're talking about respect and treating a woman the way she should, no matter what she does for a living, then some of this shit said should get people banned. Edited by - xayhoundb on 4/8/2010 7:09:04 PM [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 7:25PM Irex wrote: If you have real respect for women, you probably don't want them in porn in the first place because you're reducing them to one-dimensional masturbation fodder. Click to expand I respect their right to choose to become fodder for my masturbatory fantasies. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 8:17PM It's about a mid-ground. I don't like sycophants, at the same time I don't like trolls. In reality, I have no kinship with other guys who wank to porn; they're not my "bros". My porn watching is for my own enjoyment and nothing else. Getting a hard-on to 2-D stimulus doesn't tie me to anyone else. I wank to strangers. Porn starlets are people I do not know personally. I find them attractive, and their chosen profession grants me a pleasant time jerking off in private. Who they are away from the camera is no concern of mine. Coming on here and giving them shit is not an interest of mine because it's not my business nor concern. You'd have to be a fucking idiot in the first place to be offended by another person's legal sexual preferences. Porn sycophants and porn trolls: Both are the extreme result of not having lives. [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 8:26PM ninja1 wrote: Irex wrote: Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. He's the guy you have the most in common with. The girls are paid to do what they do. Why is it such a major issue to ask what they will do for that pay? Click to expand OK I'll argue the point without getting emotional or personal. There are tons of threads about all manner of porn practices that people hate. For sake of discussion, I'll single out spitting. Person A: I hate spitting. Person B: I love spitting. Industry person: Our spitting titles are selling really well, you guys on this board are out of touch with the real world. So...I blame my fellow consumer for the crap that's on the market, because they are buying it and encouraging the producers to keep making it. The girls are just doing what they are told by the director. I don't have anything in common with the girls, but at least they can't be blamed for the crappy stuff that the director directed and shot and my "fellow consumers" supported by buying it. My fellow porn consumer is more foe than bro. Nothing personal. Click to expand Well this is only true if all titles coming out had become spitting. I presume they have not, in fact I would wager 99% of the input of the industry is not spitting inclusive. This argument would work much better if you complained you don't like pulling out and cumming on the girl. Simple fact is, your fellow porn consumer is keeping the industry alive. Without your fellow porn consumer, the industry disappears...that's indisputable. I'm also not saying we have to be nasty or obnoxious to the girls. Keep in mind they're selling product. That product just happens to be the porn film they were paid to be in. I treat them like the lovely representative of their product. I speak to them nicely, but I'm a consumer and I can ask for what I want. My money keeps them in business (and by the way, I renewed my subscription to Xrent so I'm not stealing porn- well not as much, anyway...). I agree if someone asks a hundred times it's annoying and obnoxious. And those people are usually banned, just like anyone else who breaks the rules of a message board. However, please don't force me to pull up any of a hundred threads on here where a question is asked ONCE and the poster is berated for asking it. I would hate to waste my time just to prove the point that's evident without me needing to prove it ad infinitum. You know it happens and I know it happens. Let's just move on from that. Girls, porn stars or not are good, they're wonderful and I like them, but many are like anyone else earning a paycheck-- they want the most money for the least work. We're the consumers, we're a force and if we had any allegiance to each other, we'd get a lot more of what we want, not less. [Link]
shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 8:29PM Dubious_Leftovers wrote: In reality, I have no kinship with other guys who wank to porn; they're not my "bros". My porn watching is for my own enjoyment and nothing else. Getting a hard-on to 2-D stimulus doesn't tie me to anyone else. Click to expand The way Irex basically declared himself "bro" to a whole bunch of random people based on nothing but the fact that they're also guys who watch porn is really the most interesting part of this thread. I mean, what compels one to do that? It's not much different from one of the brown-nosing types thinking himself "friends" with a porn starlet who once happened to post a smiley in response to him or something. [Link]
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy Deactivated User Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 10:51PM No matter how plainly you put it, somebody is going to have a misinterpretary experience. Opinions are like assholes, circle it with lipstick and fuck it. [Link]

charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 12:36AM AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy wrote: Opinions are like assholes. Circle it with lipstick and fuck it. [/quote Great line. That could be an avatar sig. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 6:34AM Whatever happened to bros before hos? It's an idiot mentality, so hopefully it dies out with the idiots. [Link]
Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00	Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 5:07PM Pete Zaface wrote: You think it's bad here, you should visit an escort board, where the white knights either have already actually had sex with the woman the post is about and hope to again, or hope to have sex with her for the first time. Noses get browner than a parking lot full of UPS trucks. Click to expand [Link]
celiswhite Member "your brother was in here whinging cause your dad was a mong" 373 Posts 6/09	Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 5:40PM ma meeshka wrote: Whatever happened to bros before hos? It's an idiot mentality, so hopefully it dies out with the idiots. Click to expand best post in this entire bullshit thread. what kind of affliction t-shirt wearing, disturbed listening, ufc-sports-bar watching knucklehead even uses the term bros before hoes anymore? [Link]
ClayraBeau Member 659 Posts 2/10	Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 5:58PM Ah, Irex, you come off like a psychopath misogynist serial killer in the making. "Let's disrespect the women in porn because they're not real and porn is for men". I call bullshit. I was watching porn for years before I ever set foot in front of a camera, so it isn't just guys getting off on porn. Yes, porn objectifies women, but in the same way professional sports objectifies men, or music videos objectify musicians. Do you dis on your favorite athletes when they turn down a lucrative deal to stay in your hometown? Do you bitch about your favorite rock singer not covering country music or pop crap? No? Well then let me be the first to say, leave the girls who don't want to do certain sex acts alone! It's all about just simply having mutual respect for someone's decisions that, frankly, you'll only see the end product of. Porn in and of itself is no more or less disrespectful to women than say watching old videos of Eric Cantona or Michael Jordan. We live vicariously through the images, sure, but we do so because, deep down, part of us envies that person's experience. A lot of people recognize this, acknowledge that the scenes they see are likely fantasy (I've never met a real person who likes being spit on, for example), and decide that the best way to operate is simply to respect the performers as they would anyone else. Golden Rule, you know? Treat others as you'd like to be treated. So, if you're catching a lot of flak for being a disrespectful to others, don't be shocked. As for "bros before hoes", if you truly understood the maxim, you'd get that it isn't just a juvenile playground style "boys rule girls drool" thing. BBH is about choosing your friends over a random, fleeting love interest. If you need that explained to you, may you never breed and further poison the gene pool. Good day. [Link]
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy Deactivated User Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 12:51AM It's rather revealing to see how spiteful the sharks become when they get a whiff of blood. The original post clearly states the case in a gentlemanly fashion, and yet the man is bashed for his observations on male behavioral patterns. Nobody has to pick a side. The fact remains, women today are heavily exploited by the media,...yes, the porn media. To the industry, you women are trash, to be spit on and depicted as a daughter or a babysitter that the "daddy" just had to fuck without letting his wife know. If you pull in cash,...good. If you don't,...you're fucking gone. You are the raped wife during a home invasion, taking that cock with a smile so that the public becomes conditioned to the spell. You are becoming less sexy and more of an arrogant victim by the day. Still, you defile this poster for his opinion on a trivial matter that was merely an observation. If women would start standing up for themselves and be sexy instead of portraying some dis-functional pawn in a fixed game of chess, I would take the opposing viewpoint more seriously. UFC RULES!! [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 12:58AM ClayraBeau wrote: Ah, Irex, you come off like a psychopath misogynist serial killer in the making. "Let's disrespect the women in porn because they're not real and porn is for men". I call bullshit. I was watching porn for years before I ever set foot in front of a camera, so it isn't just guys getting off on porn. Yes, porn objectifies women, but in the same way professional sports objectifies men, or music videos objectify musicians. Do you dis on your favorite athletes when they turn down a lucrative deal to stay in your hometown? Do you bitch about your favorite rock singer not covering country music or pop crap? No? Well then let me be the first to say, leave the girls who don't want to do certain sex acts alone! It's all about just simply having mutual respect for someone's decisions that, frankly, you'll only see the end product of. Porn in and of itself is no more or less disrespectful to women than say watching old videos of Eric Cantona or Michael Jordan. We live vicariously through the images, sure, but we do so because, deep down, part of us envies that person's experience. A lot of people recognize this, acknowledge that the scenes they see are likely fantasy (I've never met a real person who likes being spit on, for example), and decide that the best way to operate is simply to respect the performers as they would anyone else. Golden Rule, you know? Treat others as you'd like to be treated. So, if you're catching a lot of flak for being a disrespectful to others, don't be shocked. As for "bros before hoes", if you truly understood the maxim, you'd get that it isn't just a juvenile playground style "boys rule girls drool" thing. BBH is about choosing your friends over a random, fleeting love interest. If you need that explained to you, may you never breed and further poison the gene pool. Good day. Click to expand Wow... I guess the personal attack thing is not going away. Misogynistic psychopathic serial killer in the making. Wow... First of all, seriously? My point is consumers have to band together. I'm saying use your buying to get what you want. Realistically anyone who stays in porn long enough, does just about everything anyway. The problem is fans are supposed to be grateful and only get what they want when the performer gives it to them. Awesome for the performer, not so much for the fan. Look, let's take a legitimate film parallel. Jim Carrey seems to really want to be a serious actor. yet whenever he does a serious film, it TENDS to do lackluster boxoffice in comparison to his comedies. People want to see him comedies so they vote with their dollars. Now he has every right not to make comedies, but if he wants a big paycheck, he will do them. I can't and wouldn't force a porn actress to make an anal scene, but I can say me and thousands of other guys won't buy her movies unless she does. If we want to compare numbers on who watches porn...I can quote stats from kinsey several decades ago and fifty other sources from then til now that will say it is so overwhelmingly male it's ridiculous. Women may watch it and not admit or whatever, but the product is made for men, in an undeniably overwhelming fashion. If we want to confuse commerce and lovemaking, that's a shame. I don't. Porn is just a masturbatory tool to me. It's a business and subject to the rules of business. One of the rules of business customers get to demand what they want to spend their money for. I can understand the lines get blurred about personal sexuality, but for me as a consumer it's just a business and I want what I want for my money. I can't possibly compare objectifying women in porn to Michael Jordan playing basketball. If you can, groovy for you. Most studies will tell you the brain reacts differently to overt erotic stimuli than say, sports (unless you particularly fetishize sports)and produces far different chemicals in response to it. I honestly can't even figure out how to resolve this point because it seems so irrelevant to me. Also if you're going to call me a crazed psychopath or whatever pointless useless psychoanalysis you feel like throwing around for using the term "bros before hoes" you might as well boycott the comedies of Judd Apatow, the CBS show "How I Met Your Mother" and any other thousands of times this perfectly generic term has been thrown around. The meaning behind it depends on the person. Hell, black power means solidarity to some people, it means "kill whitey" to others. If I use it to refer to using your economic power in the industry, tough luck, because porn performers are in an industry where economic power matters. If we want to deny that less attractive women in porn for example have to do more outrageous acts to make money,fine. Pretty girls, may go gonzo, but often don't have to make their money. If we want to deny that economics and money and power play into every bit of the industry, then we might as well be talking about unicorns and rainbows because we're denying the real world, anyway. By the way, the porn industry tends to use terms a billion times more offensive than bros before hoes (the white knight syndrome yet again, nobody wants to complain about the patently offensive terms used in thousands of adult titles every year...) so better get a big net to catch all those psycho serial killers, too... Edited by - irex on 4/10/2010 1:04:19 AM [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 5:43AM Bros Before Hoes sounds like it would be a gay title. I checked, and yes it is. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:25AM Irex wrote: One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights." Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry. And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women. I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard. But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women. I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side. Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side. But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor. "How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!" Click to expand I'll admit there are and have been some guys (White Knights)who are seem to be a bit too much into certain girls to the point that it starts to get a bit creepy. It's of course understandable that they always stick up for those girls. They tend to get a bit bent out of shape at any thing they see as negative directed toward their fav porngirl. Those guys sometimes get overly protective and go overboard taking up for their favs. But I'd say most of the people here are somewhat reasonable when it comes to defending a pornstar's choices. At the heart of it what you're asking is "When these girls don't do what someone wants why don't we all take the same side against her because aren't we 'bros'?" Sorry, but that mentality is ridiculous and quite frankly flat out stupid. Just because we're on the same "wrestling team (consumers)" doesn't make us "bros" at all in my mind. The guy on the team could be a jerk and the girl could be cool or a friend also or just an innocent who did nothing wrong. Why should I side with someone just because they're on a supposed "team" with me? Even if I think a family member is wrong I'm not going to automatically side with them so it's ridiculous to think I'm going to automatically side with complete and total strangers on a messageboard because of a mutual interest. If a girl doesn't want to do something, she doesn't want to do it and it's their right...even if she's a pornstar, The Queen Of England, or a crack whore. I guess it would be nice if everyone (or pornstars) did everything you wanted them to but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. I don't think there's anything wrong with being able to ask a pornstar why they won't do whatever and it's your right not always agree with or like the answer but after that point you kinda need to move on. There's no need to harrass, insult, or constantly keep repeating your dislike of her or her decision. Many people can't seem to do this so yeah, sometimes the people you refer to as "white knights" step in to say something but many times the "white knights" are stepping in to "protect" the girls, they're stepping in to try and tell some people they're being jerks. [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:28AM charn wrote: Bros Before Hoes sounds like it would be a gay title. I checked, and yes it is. Click to expand Hey we can all play this game. I googled "charn" and one of the meanings is dead rotting flesh like roadkill. Another is someone who is rather thick and juicy. So are you a decomposing BBW? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=charn Folks, I don't open these cans of worms, really I don't. In fact I think I'm taking all the negativity, deflecting it and trying to get back on track. [Link]

Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:32AM Draxxx wrote: Irex wrote: One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights." Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry. And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women. I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard. But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women. I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side. Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side. But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor. "How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!" Click to expand I'll admit there are and have been some guys (White Knights)who are seem to be a bit too much into certain girls to the point that it starts to get a bit creepy. It's of course understandable that they always stick up for those girls. They tend to get a bit bent out of shape at any thing they see as negative directed toward their fav porngirl. Those guys sometimes get overly protective and go overboard taking up for their favs. But I'd say most of the people here are somewhat reasonable when it comes to defending a pornstar's choices. At the heart of it what you're asking is "When these girls don't do what someone wants why don't we all take the same side against her because aren't we 'bros'?" Sorry, but that mentality is ridiculous and quite frankly flat out stupid. Just because we're on the same "wrestling team (consumers)" doesn't make us "bros" at all in my mind. The guy on the team could be a jerk and the girl could be cool or a friend also or just an innocent who did nothing wrong. Why should I side with someone just because they're on a supposed "team" with me? Even if I think a family member is wrong I'm not going to automatically side with them so it's ridiculous to think I'm going to automatically side with complete and total strangers on a messageboard because of a mutual interest. If a girl doesn't want to do something, she doesn't want to do it and it's their right...even if she's a pornstar, The Queen Of England, or a crack whore. I guess it would be nice if everyone (or pornstars) did everything you wanted them to but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. I don't think there's anything wrong with being able to ask a pornstar why they won't do whatever and it's your right not always agree with or like the answer but after that point you kinda need to move on. There's no need to harrass, insult, or constantly keep repeating your dislike of her or her decision. Many people can't seem to do this so yeah, sometimes the people you refer to as "white knights" step in to say something but many times the "white knights" are stepping in to "protect" the girls, they're stepping in to try and tell some people they're being jerks. Click to expand Hooray! A good reasoned response that mostly refrains from attacking the poster. I'll respond to this later. Gotta get to work, but I appreciate this as well as those who've actually tried to defend my right to argue my point. But just to respond quickly, I never said I was right. I could be entirely wrong. Never said I couldn't be. However I find that people often choose to attack the poster and not the argument. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 11:37AM Irex wrote: I googled "charn" and one of the meanings is dead rotting flesh like roadkill. Another is someone who is rather thick and juicy. So are you a decomposing BBW? Click to expand That is somewhat correct. One part of me is thick and juicy. [Link]
lenecplusultra Deactivated User L'enfer, c'est les autres 59 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 3:28PM Irex, you might not have chosen the right words in your post but I totally understand what you are saying and I think people are attacking you for no good reason. Clayra, I really really liked you, my favorite kind of porn girl is one that does IR from the start of her career, so that I don't have to wait until she is old and washed up, or until she has done every other degrading act, before she thinks someone that looks like me is worthy of touching her. And you are one of favorite porn girls. But I think your post went too far. I really think you need to apoligize for such personnal attack if you have not done so yet. Before I write this, I have to make clear for everybody that I will never go beg a pornstar to do what I like seeing, because there is more than I can watch of that already. As much as I will never attack a pornstar for not doing something she is not comfortable with, I will never attack someone that is too stubborn to give it a damn rest. She has the right not to do it, and the fans have the right to keep asking her. This is just to illustrate that defending pornstars is way out of control from adoring fans. I think what Irex is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that girls enter porn and want to be big stars, want to have adoring fans and want to make a lot of money, but, they are not comfortable with what doing porn entails. And when soem people remind them that this not their personal life, it's their professional life, others go crazy and start attacking that person. Doing porn might not be an easy job, far from that, but it is still a job. Just like when you decide to be a cop it means that you are gonna endanger your life to protect the rest of society, just like when you chose to become a firefighter, it means that you will endanger your own life just to pull someone out of a burning building, just like if you enter the army, you will be expected to go to war zone where you can easily get killed, just like when you decide to become a doctor, it means that sometimes, as straight male, you will put your finger in another man's ass. None of these is easy. If of all the jobs there is on earth, you pick one of those, you pick whatever comes with the job. When the girl decides that she will have sex on camera for the viewing pleasure of others, it's a no brainer that people expect her to do IR, anal, dp and even gangbangs, or at least people will ask her to do it. Why? because porn is not your personnal life, porn is your job and those things, even if you think they are uncomfortable, are part of the job description. The problem with some porn fans is that, as long as the girls they like, do what they like seeing, they think no one else has the right to ask said girls for anything else. So they are always quick to attack anybody that say something to their precious princess. If a cop decided to only patrol safe neighborhoods because he fears losing his life, I think we would all tell him to get another job. You can't be a firefighter if you are afraid of fire. So if you enter porn, people except that you will have anal sex. Even though I hate anal, I don't blame anybody that wants to see a pornstar do anal. It's not like they are asking some random girl they saw on the streets to do something, they are asking somebody who decided that their job would be to fulfill men's masturbation fantasies. If you enter porn, there are some people (white and black) that wanna see you fuck a black guy. This is really where I have been the most disppointed in the average porn viewer when it comes to defending the girls. Some of these dodgers say things that if anybody in any line of work nowaddays said, the backlash against them would be so bad that they will apologize, quit their job or both. When dodgres say they don't do Ir because their parents won't let them, it's funny that some people will swallow that and be like, ok, respect your parents will. If I went to apply for a job somewhere and the owner of the company told me this: " MR Necplustra, your resume is outstanding, you have the experience and the knowledge, and I think you will excel at this job but there is one little problem, you're black, and my parents are really old fashioned. They come to visit me very often and if they found out that I had hired a black person, they would stop talking to me, so even though I personally have no problems with black people, I won't hire you because it will offend my parents" If I get that straight this guy is not racist, but he will comply with the racist views of his parents, what does that make him? You guys that always defend dodgers, and that pseudo-intellectual black guy on here, you tell me. If you heard anybody say anything similar to this in real life, this person would be called on their bullshit, but the pornchick will say that and people will just accept it as something completely normal. For God's sake, Trent Lott lost his position just for saying that a segregationist should have become president, Imus was fired for calling someone nappy headed. Another one is girls who accept to go work for Max Hardcore and come back complaining about the experience, and all these guys here will start attacking Max for taking advantage of their beloved star. I am no porn expert, hell I have been reading porn forums less that two months and even I know Max. God knows I hate that man. But when someone sees what he does to women, decides to go shoot for him and complains about the experience, they don't deserve anybody's compassion unless they are mentally retarded, which these girls are not. But I have seen people attack Max for using precious little porn princess that was clueless enough to go shoot for him. PLEASE. This is one case I would defend someone I personnally hate. This is a no bullshit society that we all live in today, and porn fans just take too much crap from pornstars, and when someone calls them on their bullshit, some people here and other forums go crazy and think "thou shall not criticise precious little porn princess". Edited by - lenecplusultra on 4/10/2010 3:36:43 PM [Link]
JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 3:38PM Irex wrote: Why are you getting so overheated? Again, I knew this would degenerate into a visceral argument and it saddens me. Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. Click to expand It hadn't. Yet what you are doing here is using the oldest trick in the book, to accuse other posters of being angry. It seems you enjoy starting fights. And you are probably looking to keep doing it until you get the reply you want so you can go: "See there! I told you so!". Edited by - johnw on 4/10/2010 3:47:16 PM [Link]
JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 3:45PM The original post is a boiler plate kind of post anyway. As long as a forum has more than 10 posters, there will be someone representing a stupid behavior to be complained about. ADT has white knights, we have trolls, we have haters, we have subtle haters, we have misogynists, we have feminists, we have people with agendas obvious or hidden, we have basically every type of poster. Of course there are individuals behaving the way you are saying, but that's just one of many kinds of posters. What you really are saying is "I think these kind of posters are stupid". Fine. They won't go away, nor will the others. Whining about things you can't do anything about gets old really fast. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 6:10PM lenecplusultra wrote: I think what Irex is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that girls enter porn and want to be big stars, want to have adoring fans and want to make a lot of money, but, they are not comfortable with what doing porn entails. And when soem people remind them that this not their personal life, it's their professional life, others go crazy and start attacking that person. Doing porn might not be an easy job, far from that, but it is still a job. Just like when you decide to be a cop it means that you are gonna endanger your life to protect the rest of society, just like when you chose to become a firefighter, it means that you will endanger your own life just to pull someone out of a burning building, just like if you enter the army, you will be expected to go to war zone where you can easily get killed, just like when you decide to become a doctor, it means that sometimes, as straight male, you will put your finger in another man's ass. None of these is easy. If of all the jobs there is on earth, you pick one of those, you pick whatever comes with the job. When the girl decides that she will have sex on camera for the viewing pleasure of others, it's a no brainer that people expect her to do IR, anal, dp and even gangbangs, or at least people will ask her to do it. Why? because porn is not your personnal life, porn is your job and those things, even if you think they are uncomfortable, are part of the job description. Click to expand Yeah, it would be great if every girl who entered the porn biz was up for doing any and everything but all of them aren't. It's their body and their choice. Not every will agree with their decision but hey what ya gonna do? at some point you need to accept it and move on. You keep trying to make it sound as though there's a list of sexual acts a girl has to agree to to get into porn. Porn isn't like most jobs in the work place where your boss has a specific lists of daily duties to perform. A porngirl is a free agent who says here's a list of things she'll do and if anyone wants to hire her based on that list she'll shoot for them. There've been plenty of pornstars who've had successful careers not doing anal, IR, gangbangs, DPs, rough sex, cream pies, or whatever the latest fad may be. It's not out of the question or strange for a girl to enter the porn biz with the intention of not doing those things. Do I think her career will be successful if she did those things? In most cases, yes. In some cases, no. A contract girl can get away without doing any of that stuff and it probably won't affect her career in any real way. For "Gonzo" girls having a list of sex acts they won't do may hurt their career to varying degrees depending on the sex acts they won't do. But there are girls who are major players in porn who don't do anal or IR and they seem to be doing just fine. Yeah, they annoy the hell out of certain fans because they won't do...whichever, but they seem to be working steadily, as often as they want to and it's not bothering them so there's no incentive to do...whatever. It's their choice. That's the world of porn. If the girl can bring something to the table that people want to see she can expoit that without doing other things. A girl might be so hot guys will settle to see her doing anything...or rather close to nothing. If a girl is hot enough and in demand she can get by only doing girl/girl. The girl might have a great set of big breasts and is able to get by not doing IR. A girl might have spectacular ass and can get by not doing anal. We see this all the time in different configurations. If a girl doesn't want to do something they don't want and can get by without doing it can you blame them? The problem with some porn fans is that, as long as the girls they like, do what they like seeing, they think no one else has the right to ask said girls for anything else. So they are always quick to attack anybody that say something to their precious princess. Click to expand I personally don't see that in the same light as you and the OP do. There's a difference between asking if a girl will do something or wanting them to do something and repeatly complaining about what they won't do on a messgeboard. I really don't see anyone getting bent out of shape for asking if a pornstar does a certain thing. In many cases people aren't defending their "precious princess" but trying to stop from hearing the same old complaing they've heard waaaaaay too often. There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them. That's what what I see happening here more than anything. Edited by - draxxx on 4/10/2010 6:11:16 PM [Link]
lenecplusultra Deactivated User L'enfer, c'est les autres 59 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 7:00PM Maybe I should make this clear, I am not one to force my wish on any girl, it's their body, they can do as they wish. But I disagree with being offended when people ask porn related questions. The point is that people ask these questions because you are doing porn. You should expect it all the time. Some people are stubborn. Others are just new and don't know that you have answered all those questions already. When a music band seperates, their fans will keep asking them when they are gonna get back together, when you start out as a solo artist, no one will ask you when you will get back with your band. Obama gets asked about the US economy hundreds of time a month, why? because he is the president. What if his supporters starting telling journalists to give whole economy stuff a rest. We will gladly remind them that maybe he should have not become president. That's what the point of all this is. Porn fans need to stop getting offended because their favorite girl is asked the same thing over and over again. You don't want anyone to ask you when will be your first ir, anal, dp, gangbang... stop doing porn, plain and simple. This the classic bullshit of people seeking fame, stars are mad because paparazzis follow them. Are you kidding? Were you living under a rock when they were following other stars before you became one? If you do porn, people will ask you porn related question which will be when will do anal, ir, dp, gangbang? I am sure whoever was your porn mentor has warned you already how these porn viewers can be annoying. If you have to answer those questions 100 times, so be it, just don't be mad because you are asked, and if your answer is unclear, they will keep asking (though I wish they will stop), but you can't blame them for asking. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 7:58PM JohnW wrote: The original post is a boiler plate kind of post anyway. Click to expand The thread is a troll circle-jerk. I wouldn't waste another thought on it, if I were you. celiswhite wrote: affliction t-shirt wearing, Click to expand Heh . . . as far as I can tell from watching Celebrity Rehab/Sober House, Tom Sizemore's fortunes have declined to the point that the only articles of clothing he owns are a couple of those shirts and one pair of black jeans that would look better on a man who weighed about 75 lbs less. I think it's perfectly alright that the struggles of a hopeless dopefiend/loser are turned into voyeuristic fodder for the mid-tier cable TV audience, but it's exploitative to let him do it dressed like that. Dr. Drew should exercise some common decency and get the dude a button-up shirt without any stupid silk-screened crap on it. Edited by - Harri Patel on 4/10/2010 8:06:38 PM [Link]
shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07	Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:57PM There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them. Click to expand And that's an issue that goes way beyond the "badgering porn starlets" stage, IMO. For every preference/kink/fetish that's represented here at ADT (natural boobs, footjobs, IR, girl-girl, whatever), there are multiple people who just can't seem to fathom the idea that their personal "thing" is just one minority interest in a universe of minority interests and who get bent severely out of shape whenever somebody so much as insinuates that perhaps there aren't quite as many people sharing their views as they like to imagine. Porn actresses who post here on ADT are just the most "convenient" target for that type of people, but that whole mindset is ruining plenty more threads that no porn star ever set their virtual foot in. [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 1:16AM JohnW wrote: Irex wrote: Why are you getting so overheated? Again, I knew this would degenerate into a visceral argument and it saddens me. Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. Click to expand It hadn't. Yet what you are doing here is using the oldest trick in the book, to accuse other posters of being angry. It seems you enjoy starting fights. And you are probably looking to keep doing it until you get the reply you want so you can go: "See there! I told you so!". Edited by - johnw on 4/10/2010 3:47:16 PM Click to expand Really? Did you miss where I was called a serial killer in the making? You may have skimmed that. There are other personal nasty negative comments. I don't feel it's my job to read the whole thread to you. And as to you later post. Well I suppose you don't have to think it's worthy of discussion. I don't care, really. You do or you don't. My Cheerios still taste the same the next morning. And if anyone wants to accuse me of trolling, please report me to a mod. If I'm a troll, and don't realize it, I apologize. Please get me banned if that's the case. Otherwise don't make an accusation. It's petty and a weak way to jump into a thread. Look, does everybody remember when Janine first came on the scene? She was the hottest thing in porn and she knew it. Because she was, she put out some of the most lackluster porn ever. Boring artsy Andrew Blake slo-mo shot in sepia crap. Or Vivid features where they kept coming up with more excuses to do the same exact girl-girl scene over and over again. Yawn. Who do you blame for that? Janine? No. she said, "I don't want to get fucked on screen." The producers and director? No. they said "She's so hot, we'll just put her on a boxcover. It'll sell." The consumers? Yes. If someone spoonfeeds you shit and come back for more, it's your fault. Your money makes these movies exist. So if you want to see something, you see it. And the reason your best friend is your fellow consumer is because if we treat it like a business (which is what it is...) then you get what you want. If ten million consumers at wal-mart say "we want more brands or we'll buy elsewhere," wal-mart gets more brands. You may not want every one of those brands, but it's good to know that as a force you can get something done and increase the choices you have. I've been on Euro porn sites and this just isn't an issue for the most part. Are European porn producers evil just because they expect a certain level of acceptance that in porn you're doing a lot of very sexual acts you might not perform in your real life? Or is it because they realize it's a boys network and they have every right to produce what they want because they want it and the audience wants it? As to Draxx's points earlier, look, it's pretty much an absolute on this board that the girl is always right, isn't it? Rarely are they contradicted and when they are, the opposers are shouted down? Just admit that. I would never say that I'm wholly right, but you have to admit that these girls would have to be killing puppies in a gas furnace they bought from a Nazi memorabilia dealer for some of these guys to stop their worship. That kind of blind devotion isn't sensical either. You say it's a girl's body and her choice? ABSOLUTELY!! I would say that to 100% certainty. It's also my money paying for that DVD. My money and my choice. Let's just play along for two seconds and say this movement I speak of caught on for some crazy reason and guys decided if girls don't want to do everything on the porn checklist, screw it, we don't want her movies. And when those titles they sold like crap and producers realized if we don't do this across the board sort of porn, we're gonna go out of business. Would that be wrong? That kind of pressure on the business of porn? And if so, why? [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 1:38AM The reason people tend to "protect" the girls here is that this is meant to be a friendly place for industry people. When you've been around here for a while, you become familiar with the kinds of topics that always turn into flame wars. Yes. Asking a performer a question like "Do you do IR?" is just a question but it's a question that seems to always cause bitter arguments, hard feelings and almost always ends with a performer being called a racist (Either outright or implied). It doesn't matter who "starts" the argument. The simple fact is that it makes ADT a hostile environment for the girls and also for people who don't find such arguments to be pleasant or entertaining. It turns a thread into an online version of Jerry Springer. Obviously, those of us who are not here to give them a hard time want them to feel comfortable and welcome and not to feel like they're going to be interrogated about why they don't do anal or IR or whatever it is the minute they post something anywhere on the forum. And again, the simple fact is that's what usually happens with these questions. It turns into an interrogation. I'm sure they don't mind answering reasonable questions but nobody wants to be grilled. When they post here, they do so voluntarily and they can leave just as easily. Too often, these questions are asked by posters who just want to stir up trouble and that's exactly what they do. Either that or they genuinely had no idea it was such a controversial subject but someone who does know will come along and turn the thread into a flame war. And when they finally succeed, they frequently drive industry people away in the process. Then, those people get deactivated but it doesn't matter. The people they drove away often don't come back and the forum loses a valuable poster. The lifeblood of a forum like this is to have industry insiders posting here. We have a couple of off topic forums but without plenty of industry insiders, the forum is kind of an orphan that is a shadow of what it could be. Those of us who have been here for years have seen this almost daily so when we see certain topics pop up, we just expect the worst. We're usually right. A controversial topic always turns into a fight sooner or later. [Link]
lenecplusultra Deactivated User L'enfer, c'est les autres 59 Posts 3/10	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 2:48PM RP wrote Asking a performer a question like "Do you do IR?" is just a question but it's a question that seems to always cause bitter arguments, hard feelings and almost always ends with a performer being called a racist (Either outright or implied) It is not pleasant for anyone to be called racist nowaddays. I personnally refuse to see any of my failures as being related to my race. Why? It's too easy. I will stop making efforts in life and just say that I am failing because of my race. This is why I rarely call anyone racist. I try as hard as possible not see racism around me.I also feel really bad for some white people who have to walk on eggshells when it comes to race matters because they are easily accused of racism. But that's just me. Some of us black people are really quick at calling other people racist which I think is unfair as well. Let's just get real for a second though. When someone decides that their job is to have strangers put their dick in her pussy, and then put a big sign on her pussy saying " NO BLACKS DICKS ALLOWED", goes on radio shows and talks about how unattractive black people are .It amazes me that someone like that and her followers are surprised and offended that said person is called racist. That kind of naivete and blind following can only be found in porn nowadays. If anybody for one second thought no one would call that person racist, they really need to wake up. I have seen many people called racist for less than that. Will I personally call them racist? As I already said I choose to stay away form that word. Edited by - lenecplusultra on 4/11/2010 2:49:15 PM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 7:26PM shalalin wrote: There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them. Click to expand And that's an issue that goes way beyond the "badgering porn starlets" stage, IMO. For every preference/kink/fetish that's represented here at ADT (natural boobs, footjobs, IR, girl-girl, whatever), there are multiple people who just can't seem to fathom the idea that their personal "thing" is just one minority interest in a universe of minority interests and who get bent severely out of shape whenever somebody so much as insinuates that perhaps there aren't quite as many people sharing their views as they like to imagine. Porn actresses who post here on ADT are just the most "convenient" target for that type of people, but that whole mindset is ruining plenty more threads that no porn star ever set their virtual foot in. Click to expand Quite right. I absolutely think it's fine to ask a pornstar a question about what she won't do but it seems some people just get rude if they don't hear an answer they don't like. And the whole thing of people coming up with outlandish statements to try and back up their particular "kink" is pretty annoying too. Sorry, but no matter how many times a person starts a thread or highjacks a thread to tell us "fake breasts" or the supposed lack of IR is destroying the porn industry doesn't make it so. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 8:28PM Irex wrote: And the reason your best friend is your fellow consumer is because if we treat it like a business (which is what it is...) then you get what you want. If ten million consumers at wal-mart say "we want more brands or we'll buy elsewhere," wal-mart gets more brands. Click to expand There's a huge difference between you writing the heads of WAL-MART to tell them you'd like more brands and you repeatedly going to WAL-MART and harrassing a sales clerk and telling them how much they suck because WAL-MART doesn't carry stuff you want. If you want moe anal, IR or whatever in porn let the people who actually make the movies know. If you aren't getting what you want from WAL-MART or a porn studio or girl, stop buying their products and go elsewhere. Like you say...if enough people feel the same way you'll see a change. As to Draxx's points earlier, look, it's pretty much an absolute on this board that the girl is always right, isn't it? Rarely are they contradicted and when they are, the opposers are shouted down? Just admit that. Click to expand Well yes the girl is always "right" in a sense because in the end it's her choice to do what she wants right? If you really believe it's her body, career and choice for her to make and not just saying that when you like the answer then in a sense she is always "right". If you mean "right" as in giving you the answer you want to hear...no she isn't always "right". When it comes to IR I think some of the excuses the girls give as to why they don't do it can be silly. But then again is there a "good" excuse for not doing it? Sometimes. But for too many people here no excuse/reason will ever be good enough and at that point some people just get rude and annoying. Badgerring the girl doesn't seem to get the girl to change her mind. Calling the girl a racist doesn't get her to do anything. Repeating over and over and over how much you don't like her answer seems to do very little so why make an ass of yourself and make the girl angry if it leads to nowhere? I'm not talking you specifically, I'm talking about the behavior from certain people in general. Alot of people here are civil and adult enough to not throw a fit for not always getting what they want and don't see the point in supporting the people aren't. So the supposed "White Knights" try to stop things before it goes too far and the only thing that comes from it is the girl deciding to stop posting here. Or they try and tell you... 1) You can't always get what you want. 2)The girl is free to do whatever she chooses. 3)Oh please, don't start up with this shit again. 4) maybe it's time for you to move on. It's not always about protecting the girl, many times it's about shutting the person up because it never leads to any good. The anal thing...if she doesn't want to or doesn't think she can do it the conversation should stop right there. The boobjob thing...Sorry but if the girl decides she wants them or that it will help her career she should do what she feels is best for her. She's actually in the business and is surounded by girls who've had them done. Why should she listen to a few fans who simply don't like them tell her how big a mistake they are when she's got tons of people who work in the business, have them and know exactly what impact they'll have. If she gets them and are happy with them, that's great. Why would she want to hear from a few strangers on a messageboard how she "ruined" herself? If anyone doesn't like the stuff a girl does or doesn't do that's perfectly okay but please move on and don't bore/annoy everyone with the beating of your dead horse. I would never say that I'm wholly right, but you have to admit that these girls would have to be killing puppies in a gas furnace they bought from a Nazi memorabilia dealer for some of these guys to stop their worship. That kind of blind devotion isn't sensical either. Click to expand Again, I'm really not seeing this "blind devotion" you keep referring to. Just because someone can agree with with the girl or see her point or not see the reason for being rude and mean to her doesn't make it blind devotion. It's also my money paying for that DVD. My money and my choice. Let's just play along for two seconds and say this movement I speak of caught on for some crazy reason and guys decided if girls don't want to do everything on the porn checklist, screw it, we don't want her movies. And when those titles they sold like crap and producers realized if we don't do this across the board sort of porn, we're gonna go out of business. Would that be wrong? That kind of pressure on the business of porn? And if so, why? Click to expand That's the way most people do it and the way it's supposed to work. The ganging up on the porngirl part doesn't help this at all. If the consumer numbers show there's a great enough demand the porn companies/directors will only cast girls who do what the demand wants to see. Then the girls will either do that sex act or won't get work. Their choice. That will much much better than harrassing the girl on a messageboard. [Link]
bouges Member 101 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 8:32PM Draxxx wrote: shalalin wrote: There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them. Click to expand And that's an issue that goes way beyond the "badgering porn starlets" stage, IMO. For every preference/kink/fetish that's represented here at ADT (natural boobs, footjobs, IR, girl-girl, whatever), there are multiple people who just can't seem to fathom the idea that their personal "thing" is just one minority interest in a universe of minority interests and who get bent severely out of shape whenever somebody so much as insinuates that perhaps there aren't quite as many people sharing their views as they like to imagine. Porn actresses who post here on ADT are just the most "convenient" target for that type of people, but that whole mindset is ruining plenty more threads that no porn star ever set their virtual foot in. Click to expand Quite right. I absolutely think it's fine to ask a pornstar a question about what she won't do but it seems some people just get rude if they don't hear an answer they don't like. And the whole thing of people coming up with outlandish statements to try and back up their particular "kink" is pretty annoying too. Sorry, but no matter how many times a person starts a thread or highjacks a thread to tell us "fake breasts" or the supposed lack of IR is destroying the porn industry doesn't make it so. Click to expand Yes... and just to add, those that post their opinion as a FACT are really annoying too. Irex for example, with his whole Janine thing - it is just laughable. I can respect someone not liking the work of Janine, but the assumptions that Irex made, and the way he stated it like a fact was just very off-putting. And from this thread, I think it is safe to say that "bros before hoes" does not work when applied to porn. Everyone has different tastes and like different things. Individuals and companies produce porn, and anybody that feels there is some lack in porn is free to step up and fill that need - that is the real business part of it. Edited by - bouges on 4/11/2010 8:34:16 PM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 8:50PM lenecplusultra wrote: RP wrote Asking a performer a question like "Do you do IR?" is just a question but it's a question that seems to always cause bitter arguments, hard feelings and almost always ends with a performer being called a racist (Either outright or implied) It is not pleasant for anyone to be called racist nowaddays. Click to expand Yes, especially if they aren't racist. Maybe there are a few racist pornstars out there but it seems a lot of them aren't and just don't do IR because of who they work for or who they date or are married to or who they suround themselves with. If they're with a boyfriend/husband or company or agent who advises them not to do it it's understandable that they wouldn't. At the end of the day they go back to or depend on those people and it makes sense to keep things drama free with them. It makes much more sense to keep them happy over a few fans on a messageboard who's loyalty only lasts until the next porngirl grabs their fancy if they had any loyalty at all. If this board is any indication of the type of fans they have to deal with it makes sense not listen to them. Some of you bitch for the sake of bitching and whatever the girl decides to do it's never good enough. If a girl does decide to do IR after not doing it some of you complain it's "too late", it's with the "wrong black guy", they're doing it out of desperation, some worry about how much the girls is charging, etc..etc... Why listen to or worry about pleasing the un-pleasable? Why worry about or listen to people who probably haven't spent a penny towards their career and probably watches all there work without paying for it? If they're happy and satisfied with the way their career is going what's the up side or point in listening to a few fans who spend their time on a messageboard complaining about people or the porn biz not giving them what they somehow thing they deserve? [Link]

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Irex
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Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 12:55PM

One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights."
Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry.
And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women.
I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard.
But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women.
I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side.
Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side.
But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor.
"How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!"
(Meanwhile no one has a problem with that same girl appearing in Filthy Whore Bag Cum Sluts #27..., respect only goes so far, I suppose)
I visit the European porn sites and it's never like this. The guys seem to understand that porn is a male fantasy and the girls are the attractive conduit to fulfill that fantasy. If you have real respect for women, you probably don't want them in porn in the first place because you're reducing them to one-dimensional masturbation fodder.
Let's face it, most porn stars come and go. The shelf life of the average starlet is three years or so. They're in the business to get some fame, make some money and you're in the business of finding a piece of work they're in that you want to purchase.
I simply don't understand the emotional connection some men have to these women. Is it just due to the whole masturbating to them that somehow forges an imaginary connection to these girls? I get that to a point but in my mind, if there's anyone your allegiances should lie with, it's your fellow porn fans. They're in the same boat as you.
Agree? Probably not.
Disagree? Most on this board likely will. I can only hope you answer with some true insight instead of just lambasting me for daring not to worship at the altar of porn chicks.

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Pete Zaface
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Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 1:17PM

You think it's bad here, you should visit an escort board, where the white knights either have already actually had sex with the woman the post is about and hope to again, or hope to have sex with her for the first time. Noses get browner than a parking lot full of UPS trucks.

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realtip
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:41AM

Your statement here reflects much of what is wrong with our society on the issue of gender disparity. On the one hand, we say that women and men are equal to each other. Therefore, we promote egalitarianism between the sexes. But in the same breath, we say that women must still be "protected" and "defended." Protected from what? Defended by whom? Are women entitled to more defense from the harms of society than men are? I disagree with this assertion. If the sexes are equal, then we're equal in all social respects. We can't say that women are equal to men when it comes to rights, economics, and so forth, but are still so weak that they must be protected by men.
In regards to porn, and addressing your larger point, this is why it bothers me when I see posts here on this forum that express this view that adult women are weak and helpless and constantly in need of male defense. It puzzles me when I see posts here from men saying that porno girls who perform certain hardcore/extreme acts are somehow more "degraded" than girls who stick to the vanilla stuff. I always thought that individuals decided what is "degrading" for themselves. It also perplexes me when I see posts saying that a girl who performs for Max Hardcore or Khan Tusion is somehow under a more negative influence than a contract girl for Vivid. It always comes across as being the age-old "save the damsel in distress" thing, even when the "damsel" is not in any distress at all.
Let's also not forget all the guys who think that 18 is too young for a girl to decide to be in porn, but is not too young of an age to make any other adult life decisions. Of course, we never hear any of these same concerns expressed about the male performers in porn, only the women.

I can understand why a woman might not want to date a guy who's shorter than her. But to turn a guy down solely for any of the other reasons, then she's just a bitch.
I also agree that the most ardent porn fanboys who go crazy over their favorite starlets are not representative of the typical male. For example, in my own personal experience, I have never heard a man express a desire to marry a pornstar. Fuck one, Yes. Marry one, No. The online porn forums seem to be the only place, in my experience, where men express this desire.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:53AM

Everyone should be treated with respect, unless they fail to treat others in the same way, just because a woman performs in porn is no reason to be rude or mistreat them. The tone of your post is very juvenile, are you a grown man? Who could take such macho nonsense seriously?

Edited by - BlackSix on 4/8/2010 4:17:31 AM

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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:16AM

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bouges
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:25AM

The way I look at porn is that I have respect for those that do it simply because I like to watch. I do not see the porn industry or any particular performer owing me or any other fan of porn a thing. I strongly believe that performers have the right to pick and choose what they will or will not do. I do not understand those that take up the attitude that every performer (at least the ones they are fans of) must do IR, must do anal, must do DP's or whatever it is... what fucking right do we as porn fans have to demand anything like that of the performers? We may make requests and all, but beyond that there is nothing else - they either do or don't do the request, and if they do not do the request, we should all have the human decency and maturity to respect and accept their choice. We as fans do not have to agree with any given performer's choice or even like it, but that gives us no right to attack or even question the performer for THEIR choice.
And for the record, to those that think that asking a performer to do "whatever the fuck it is" can legitimately ask "why so closed minded?" is no bro to me... to ask that is only being a selfish asshole that resorts to being childish, rude, mean, and so on to the very highest levels of douchery because they did not get their way. As Blacksix said, grow up.

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charn
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 5:27AM

I predict this thread will be locked.

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Cuddly Wombat
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Just another bare bum in the shiower
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 6:53AM

An asshole is an asshole, even if he is a fellow porn fan.

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deputyduffy
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 7:47AM

A thread started by an obviously jealous sexually confused teenager who just can't understand the attention us real men pay women. Us guys who realize how a woman should be treated no matter what she does for a living.

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Irex
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:15PM

Really?
You're paying attention to women who get paid to have sex on screen for a living and acting like she's your girlfriend and I'm the one who's confused?
I'm all for dissent but let's not get ridiculous...
My point is, it's a business and if you wanna act like it's something different that's your right, but to me, your fellow consumer is much more your friend and ally.
It doesn't matter what a girl does for a living. I wouldn't condemn a porn star for a second for her choice in career. I do find acting like you're above what other people in the business do is ridiculous and I do think that worshiping a girl in porn is also far more ridiculous.
You have no emotional connection to them. Nothing real, in any case. In this situation, you're dealing with a created porn persona, somebody who seemingly fucks at the drop of a hat.
Most women in the real world don't act like this.
I also find it funny that people seem to think it's immature to ask girls about their preferences and what they'll do or won't do.
Want to know a dirty secret about porn? Come in close...
They tend to do most of the stuff people ask about anyway- especially when their careers are on the wane. It's very rare a girl lasts in this business five or more years without doing the virtual laundry list of everything under the sun.
Maybe the top five % can last ten to twenty before doing the checklist of porn sideshows.
I just don't understand why guys can't discuss it like adults. But it doesn't surprise that the most negative posts in the thread resort to calling me immature or childish.
I think the most ardent worshipers are somewhat stunted socially and don't want to be called out on it in my opinion.

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Brianmarleau420
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 2:30PM

where can I find these Escort boards you speak of?

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Dread
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Latex and boobs
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 3:21PM

This. The topper of it all is if they don't get an answer that satisfies them they go on a tirade and harass the girls endlessly. They can do what they want. If they want to do gangbangs bukkake anal or whatever thats on them. I never get throwing a fit because the girl doesn't do something YOU like and refuse to accept that fact. There's prime examples all over this site.
----Dread----

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AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 3:49PM

Irex, I like the post you put up. I like the way you come with what you feel. There will never be a shortage of people who feel the need to attack you for your opinion, especially if you get close to the truth.
I am a gentleman to all the ladies of porn, and yet I can predict that I will be absolutely and unconditionally ignored by all the ladies in porn. This is no big deal. If they were to admit that I am right about my viewpoints and opinions, they would be flushing their careers down the toilet. Often there can be no real debate when a group of liars goes up against one man speaking the truth. They would rather insult or ignore.
I say no hoes or bros in this totally corrupted business, just have faith in yourself and keep an open mind.

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jazzyfae728
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:09PM

in before the lock

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Dave_K99
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:39PM

How utterly pathetic does someone have to be to bitch and whine and harass women about their choice of sexual act?
Someone that juvenile and idiotic definitely isn't someone I'd want as a "bro".
You seriously think that other guys should line up to support the kind of douchebaggery that happens far too often even on this porn forum?
Getting fed up with tedious trolling isn't necessarily anything to do with being a "white-knight" and putting performers on a pedestal. Although, personally, I rather like having performers post here. Not for fantasy "emotional connections"; I'm more interested in candid pics, news about the latest hot newbies, and the odd funny porn story.
It seems to me that it's the guys who obsess about what porn performers will and won't do who are the ones that get over emotional when it comes to porn, they're the ones starting arguments after all.

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Irex
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 4:53PM

Dave_K99 wrote:
Irex wrote:
But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor.
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How utterly pathetic does someone have to be to bitch and whine and harass women about their choice of sexual act?
Someone that juvenile and idiotic definitely isn't someone I'd want as a "bro".
You seriously think that other guys should line up to support the kind of douchebaggery that happens far too often even on this porn forum?
Getting fed up with tedious trolling isn't necessarily anything to do with being a "white-knight" and putting performers on a pedestal. Although, personally, I rather like having performers post here. Not for fantasy "emotional connections"; I'm more interested in candid pics, news about the latest hot newbies, and the odd funny porn story.
It seems to me that it's the guys who obsess about what porn performers will and won't do who are the ones that get over emotional when it comes to porn, they're the ones starting arguments after all.
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I would agree that trolling is bad. Asking a question is not trolling.
Why are you getting so overheated?
Again, I knew this would degenerate into a visceral argument and it saddens me. Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. He's the guy you have the most in common with.
The girls are paid to do what they do.
Why is it such a major issue to ask what they will do for that pay?
Asking if a girl will do anal, internal or IR or whatever isn't trolling, its asking a question. If you ask it fifty times it is trolling.
In any case, I too expect this thread to be closed simply because some guys can't argue a point without making it personal.
Pity, that.

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ninja1
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 5:09PM

OK I'll argue the point without getting emotional or personal.
There are tons of threads about all manner of porn practices that people hate.
For sake of discussion, I'll single out spitting.
Person A: I hate spitting.
Person B: I love spitting.
Industry person: Our spitting titles are selling really well, you guys on this board are out of touch with the real world.
So...I blame my fellow consumer for the crap that's on the market, because they are buying it and encouraging the producers to keep making it. The girls are just doing what they are told by the director. I don't have anything in common with the girls, but at least they can't be blamed for the crappy stuff that the director directed and shot and my "fellow consumers" supported by buying it.
My fellow porn consumer is more foe than bro.
Nothing personal.

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Dave_K99
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 5:30PM

I'm not getting angry, I'm just bemused by the nonsense I read on this forum sometimes.

Nonsense like that for example.
Fellow porn consumers are no more my "ally" than fellow breakfast cereal consumers. I don't necessarily have anything more in common with a particular porn viewer than I do with the star of Filthy Whore Bag Cum Sluts #27.

Just asking that question doesn't receive the "white knight" response that you're moaning about. That only starts when someone gets butt-hurt because a performer doesn't fulfil their personal fantasies, and starts acting like a juvenile prick about it. Or when someone's question is clearly an attempt to start an argument that's been argued a hundred times before. Or when the way the question is asked screams passive-aggressive from every word. Bullshit that happens far too often.

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Jaktarn
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 6:54PM

Irex wrote:
One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights."
Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry.
And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women.
I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard.
But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women.
I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side.
Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side.
But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor.
"How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!"
(Meanwhile no one has a problem with that same girl appearing in Filthy Whore Bag Cum Sluts #27..., respect only goes so far, I suppose)
I visit the European porn sites and it's never like this. The guys seem to understand that porn is a male fantasy and the girls are the attractive conduit to fulfill that fantasy. If you have real respect for women, you probably don't want them in porn in the first place because you're reducing them to one-dimensional masturbation fodder.
Let's face it, most porn stars come and go. The shelf life of the average starlet is three years or so. They're in the business to get some fame, make some money and you're in the business of finding a piece of work they're in that you want to purchase.
I simply don't understand the emotional connection some men have to these women. Is it just due to the whole masturbating to them that somehow forges an imaginary connection to these girls? I get that to a point but in my mind, if there's anyone your allegiances should lie with, it's your fellow porn fans. They're in the same boat as you.
Agree? Probably not.
Disagree? Most on this board likely will. I can only hope you answer with some true insight instead of just lambasting me for daring not to worship at the altar of porn chicks.
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The easy answer is probably that the guys are afraid that the female pornstars wont be able to take critisics at all and leave the forum. I think its a bit sad that posters not even dare in doing creative critisicm any moore. Some are good in taking critique Ally Kay, Madelyn Marie and Amy Brooke are some in here that come to mind. I have censored myself to some stars, I have to admit that but I try to give them an honest opinion as much as I can and I always try to formulate in the best way I can so it doesn't feel like an attack.

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xayhoundb
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 7:05PM

Most people here are taking this thread the wrong way. Well, the ones that are trying to sling "in general" insults that are obviously directed to the OP.
I actually like this thread, because it's the truth.
It's become the point that the stuff some people say it's unreal. The brown-nosing, and the overly creepy compliments has gotten worse and worse. I mean come on, if you're talking about respect and treating a woman the way she should, no matter what she does for a living, then some of this shit said should get people banned.
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Johnothan Pedak
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Catastrophe
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 7:25PM

I respect their right to choose to become fodder for my masturbatory fantasies.

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Dubious_Leftovers
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And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me...
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 8:17PM

It's about a mid-ground. I don't like sycophants, at the same time I don't like trolls.
In reality, I have no kinship with other guys who wank to porn; they're not my "bros". My porn watching is for my own enjoyment and nothing else. Getting a hard-on to 2-D stimulus doesn't tie me to anyone else.
I wank to strangers. Porn starlets are people I do not know personally. I find them attractive, and their chosen profession grants me a pleasant time jerking off in private. Who they are away from the camera is no concern of mine. Coming on here and giving them shit is not an interest of mine because it's not my business nor concern. You'd have to be a fucking idiot in the first place to be offended by another person's legal sexual preferences.
Porn sycophants and porn trolls: Both are the extreme result of not having lives.

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Irex
Member

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11/09

Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 8:26PM

ninja1 wrote:
Irex wrote:
Your fellow consumer is your closest ally. He's the guy you have the most in common with.
The girls are paid to do what they do.
Why is it such a major issue to ask what they will do for that pay?
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OK I'll argue the point without getting emotional or personal.
There are tons of threads about all manner of porn practices that people hate.
For sake of discussion, I'll single out spitting.
Person A: I hate spitting.
Person B: I love spitting.
Industry person: Our spitting titles are selling really well, you guys on this board are out of touch with the real world.
So...I blame my fellow consumer for the crap that's on the market, because they are buying it and encouraging the producers to keep making it. The girls are just doing what they are told by the director. I don't have anything in common with the girls, but at least they can't be blamed for the crappy stuff that the director directed and shot and my "fellow consumers" supported by buying it.
My fellow porn consumer is more foe than bro.
Nothing personal.
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Well this is only true if all titles coming out had become spitting.
I presume they have not, in fact I would wager 99% of the input of the industry is not spitting inclusive.
This argument would work much better if you complained you don't like pulling out and cumming on the girl.
Simple fact is, your fellow porn consumer is keeping the industry alive.
Without your fellow porn consumer, the industry disappears...that's indisputable.
I'm also not saying we have to be nasty or obnoxious to the girls. Keep in mind they're selling product. That product just happens to be the porn film they were paid to be in. I treat them like the lovely representative of their product. I speak to them nicely, but I'm a consumer and I can ask for what I want.
My money keeps them in business (and by the way, I renewed my subscription to Xrent so I'm not stealing porn- well not as much, anyway...).
I agree if someone asks a hundred times it's annoying and obnoxious. And those people are usually banned, just like anyone else who breaks the rules of a message board. However, please don't force me to pull up any of a hundred threads on here where a question is asked ONCE and the poster is berated for asking it.
I would hate to waste my time just to prove the point that's evident without me needing to prove it ad infinitum. You know it happens and I know it happens.
Let's just move on from that.
Girls, porn stars or not are good, they're wonderful and I like them, but many are like anyone else earning a paycheck-- they want the most money for the least work. We're the consumers, we're a force and if we had any allegiance to each other, we'd get a lot more of what we want, not less.

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shalalin
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 8:29PM

The way Irex basically declared himself "bro" to a whole bunch of random people based on nothing but the fact that they're also guys who watch porn is really the most interesting part of this thread. I mean, what compels one to do that? It's not much different from one of the brown-nosing types thinking himself "friends" with a porn starlet who once happened to post a smiley in response to him or something.

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AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy
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Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity!
465 Posts
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Posted - Apr 8 2010 : 10:51PM

No matter how plainly you put it, somebody is going to have a misinterpretary experience. Opinions are like assholes, circle it with lipstick and fuck it.

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charn
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Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 12:36AM

ma meeshka
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Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 6:34AM

Whatever happened to bros before hos? It's an idiot mentality, so hopefully it dies out with the idiots.

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Joey Starr
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Still wanking after all these years.
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Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 5:07PM

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celiswhite
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"your brother was in here whinging cause your dad was a mong"
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Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 5:40PM

best post in this entire bullshit thread. what kind of affliction t-shirt wearing, disturbed listening, ufc-sports-bar watching knucklehead even uses the term bros before hoes anymore?

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ClayraBeau
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Posted - Apr 9 2010 : 5:58PM

Ah, Irex, you come off like a psychopath misogynist serial killer in the making. "Let's disrespect the women in porn because they're not real and porn is for men".
I call bullshit.
I was watching porn for years before I ever set foot in front of a camera, so it isn't just guys getting off on porn. Yes, porn objectifies women, but in the same way professional sports objectifies men, or music videos objectify musicians. Do you dis on your favorite athletes when they turn down a lucrative deal to stay in your hometown? Do you bitch about your favorite rock singer not covering country music or pop crap? No? Well then let me be the first to say, leave the girls who don't want to do certain sex acts alone! It's all about just simply having mutual respect for someone's decisions that, frankly, you'll only see the end product of. Porn in and of itself is no more or less disrespectful to women than say watching old videos of Eric Cantona or Michael Jordan. We live vicariously through the images, sure, but we do so because, deep down, part of us envies that person's experience.
A lot of people recognize this, acknowledge that the scenes they see are likely fantasy (I've never met a real person who likes being spit on, for example), and decide that the best way to operate is simply to respect the performers as they would anyone else. Golden Rule, you know? Treat others as you'd like to be treated. So, if you're catching a lot of flak for being a disrespectful to others, don't be shocked.
As for "bros before hoes", if you truly understood the maxim, you'd get that it isn't just a juvenile playground style "boys rule girls drool" thing. BBH is about choosing your friends over a random, fleeting love interest. If you need that explained to you, may you never breed and further poison the gene pool.
Good day.

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AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy
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Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity!
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 12:51AM

It's rather revealing to see how spiteful the sharks become when they get a whiff of blood. The original post clearly states the case in a gentlemanly fashion, and yet the man is bashed for his observations on male behavioral patterns. Nobody has to pick a side. The fact remains, women today are heavily exploited by the media,...yes, the porn media. To the industry, you women are trash, to be spit on and depicted as a daughter or a babysitter that the "daddy" just had to fuck without letting his wife know. If you pull in cash,...good. If you don't,...you're fucking gone. You are the raped wife during a home invasion, taking that cock with a smile so that the public becomes conditioned to the spell. You are becoming less sexy and more of an arrogant victim by the day. Still, you defile this poster for his opinion on a trivial matter that was merely an observation. If women would start standing up for themselves and be sexy instead of portraying some dis-functional pawn in a fixed game of chess, I would take the opposing viewpoint more seriously.
UFC RULES!!

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Irex
Member

92 Posts
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 12:58AM

ClayraBeau wrote:
Ah, Irex, you come off like a psychopath misogynist serial killer in the making. "Let's disrespect the women in porn because they're not real and porn is for men".
I call bullshit.
I was watching porn for years before I ever set foot in front of a camera, so it isn't just guys getting off on porn. Yes, porn objectifies women, but in the same way professional sports objectifies men, or music videos objectify musicians. Do you dis on your favorite athletes when they turn down a lucrative deal to stay in your hometown? Do you bitch about your favorite rock singer not covering country music or pop crap? No? Well then let me be the first to say, leave the girls who don't want to do certain sex acts alone! It's all about just simply having mutual respect for someone's decisions that, frankly, you'll only see the end product of. Porn in and of itself is no more or less disrespectful to women than say watching old videos of Eric Cantona or Michael Jordan. We live vicariously through the images, sure, but we do so because, deep down, part of us envies that person's experience.
A lot of people recognize this, acknowledge that the scenes they see are likely fantasy (I've never met a real person who likes being spit on, for example), and decide that the best way to operate is simply to respect the performers as they would anyone else. Golden Rule, you know? Treat others as you'd like to be treated. So, if you're catching a lot of flak for being a disrespectful to others, don't be shocked.
As for "bros before hoes", if you truly understood the maxim, you'd get that it isn't just a juvenile playground style "boys rule girls drool" thing. BBH is about choosing your friends over a random, fleeting love interest. If you need that explained to you, may you never breed and further poison the gene pool.
Good day.
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Wow...
I guess the personal attack thing is not going away. Misogynistic psychopathic serial killer in the making. Wow...
First of all, seriously?
My point is consumers have to band together. I'm saying use your buying to get what you want. Realistically anyone who stays in porn long enough, does just about everything anyway. The problem is fans are supposed to be grateful and only get what they want when the performer gives it to them.
Awesome for the performer, not so much for the fan.
Look, let's take a legitimate film parallel.
Jim Carrey seems to really want to be a serious actor. yet whenever he does a serious film, it TENDS to do lackluster boxoffice in comparison to his comedies. People want to see him comedies so they vote with their dollars.
Now he has every right not to make comedies, but if he wants a big paycheck, he will do them.
I can't and wouldn't force a porn actress to make an anal scene, but I can say me and thousands of other guys won't buy her movies unless she does.
If we want to compare numbers on who watches porn...I can quote stats from kinsey several decades ago and fifty other sources from then til now that will say it is so overwhelmingly male it's ridiculous. Women may watch it and not admit or whatever, but the product is made for men, in an undeniably overwhelming fashion.
If we want to confuse commerce and lovemaking, that's a shame. I don't.
Porn is just a masturbatory tool to me. It's a business and subject to the rules of business. One of the rules of business customers get to demand what they want to spend their money for. I can understand the lines get blurred about personal sexuality, but for me as a consumer it's just a business and I want what I want for my money.
I can't possibly compare objectifying women in porn to Michael Jordan playing basketball. If you can, groovy for you. Most studies will tell you the brain reacts differently to overt erotic stimuli than say, sports (unless you particularly fetishize sports)and produces far different chemicals in response to it. I honestly can't even figure out how to resolve this point because it seems so irrelevant to me.
Also if you're going to call me a crazed psychopath or whatever pointless useless psychoanalysis you feel like throwing around for using the term "bros before hoes" you might as well boycott the comedies of Judd Apatow, the CBS show "How I Met Your Mother" and any other thousands of times this perfectly generic term has been thrown around.
The meaning behind it depends on the person. Hell, black power means solidarity to some people, it means "kill whitey" to others.
If I use it to refer to using your economic power in the industry, tough luck, because porn performers are in an industry where economic power matters. If we want to deny that less attractive women in porn for example have to do more outrageous acts to make money,fine. Pretty girls, may go gonzo, but often don't have to make their money. If we want to deny that economics and money and power play into every bit of the industry, then we might as well be talking about unicorns and rainbows because we're denying the real world, anyway.
By the way, the porn industry tends to use terms a billion times more offensive than bros before hoes (the white knight syndrome yet again, nobody wants to complain about the patently offensive terms used in thousands of adult titles every year...) so better get a big net to catch all those psycho serial killers, too...
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charn
fubar

2880 Posts
12/09

Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 5:43AM

Bros Before Hoes sounds like it would be a gay title. I checked, and yes it is.

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Draxxx
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3831 Posts
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:25AM

Irex wrote:
One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights."
Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry.
And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women.
I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard.
But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women.
I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side.
Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side.
But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor.
"How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!"
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I'll admit there are and have been some guys (White Knights)who are seem to be a bit too much into certain girls to the point that it starts to get a bit creepy. It's of course understandable that they always stick up for those girls. They tend to get a bit bent out of shape at any thing they see as negative directed toward their fav porngirl. Those guys sometimes get overly protective and go overboard taking up for their favs.
But I'd say most of the people here are somewhat reasonable when it comes to defending a pornstar's choices. At the heart of it what you're asking is "When these girls don't do what someone wants why don't we all take the same side against her because aren't we 'bros'?" Sorry, but that mentality is ridiculous and quite frankly flat out stupid. Just because we're on the same "wrestling team (consumers)" doesn't make us "bros" at all in my mind. The guy on the team could be a jerk and the girl could be cool or a friend also or just an innocent who did nothing wrong. Why should I side with someone just because they're on a supposed "team" with me? Even if I think a family member is wrong I'm not going to automatically side with them so it's ridiculous to think I'm going to automatically side with complete and total strangers on a messageboard because of a mutual interest.
If a girl doesn't want to do something, she doesn't want to do it and it's their right...even if she's a pornstar, The Queen Of England, or a crack whore. I guess it would be nice if everyone (or pornstars) did everything you wanted them to but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being able to ask a pornstar why they won't do whatever and it's your right not always agree with or like the answer but after that point you kinda need to move on. There's no need to harrass, insult, or constantly keep repeating your dislike of her or her decision. Many people can't seem to do this so yeah, sometimes the people you refer to as "white knights" step in to say something but many times the "white knights" are stepping in to "protect" the girls, they're stepping in to try and tell some people they're being jerks.

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Irex
Member

92 Posts
11/09

Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:28AM

Hey we can all play this game.
I googled "charn" and one of the meanings is dead rotting flesh like roadkill.
Another is someone who is rather thick and juicy.
So are you a decomposing BBW?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=charn
Folks, I don't open these cans of worms, really I don't.
In fact I think I'm taking all the negativity, deflecting it and trying to get back on track.

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Irex
Member

92 Posts
11/09

Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:32AM

Draxxx wrote:
Irex wrote:
One of the things I notice especially on this board (but on others as well) is there's no shortage of "white knights."
Guys who instantly rush to the defense of any porn starlet if a guy has a complaint about a particular girl and her actions in the industry.
And that's perfectly acceptable; I mean women should be defended in most cases. Even if you're extremely liberated and know that women are strong capable persons in their own right, it's still a good impulse to want to protect women.
I understand it and in most cases I would apply that same standard.
But when it comes to sex, I've always taken the side of my buddies over women.
I was on the wrestling team and if a girl turned down my buddy for a date for whatever reason; he's too short, he doesn't have a car, he's black, he's white, his family doesn't have a lot of money, whatever, I took my buddy's side.
Unless he was a date rapist or something crazy, I took my fellow man's side.
But in porn it's completely different. No matter what statement a chick makes, guys flock to her defense. A girl says "I'll never do boy/girl, anal, IR, facial, or whatever so forget it." and if a guy dares to say, "well, why so close minded?" it instantly becomes a battle of honor.
"How dare you ask?", "It's her body, her choice, asshole!", "Respect her as a woman, dammit!!"
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I'll admit there are and have been some guys (White Knights)who are seem to be a bit too much into certain girls to the point that it starts to get a bit creepy. It's of course understandable that they always stick up for those girls. They tend to get a bit bent out of shape at any thing they see as negative directed toward their fav porngirl. Those guys sometimes get overly protective and go overboard taking up for their favs.
But I'd say most of the people here are somewhat reasonable when it comes to defending a pornstar's choices. At the heart of it what you're asking is "When these girls don't do what someone wants why don't we all take the same side against her because aren't we 'bros'?" Sorry, but that mentality is ridiculous and quite frankly flat out stupid. Just because we're on the same "wrestling team (consumers)" doesn't make us "bros" at all in my mind. The guy on the team could be a jerk and the girl could be cool or a friend also or just an innocent who did nothing wrong. Why should I side with someone just because they're on a supposed "team" with me? Even if I think a family member is wrong I'm not going to automatically side with them so it's ridiculous to think I'm going to automatically side with complete and total strangers on a messageboard because of a mutual interest.
If a girl doesn't want to do something, she doesn't want to do it and it's their right...even if she's a pornstar, The Queen Of England, or a crack whore. I guess it would be nice if everyone (or pornstars) did everything you wanted them to but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being able to ask a pornstar why they won't do whatever and it's your right not always agree with or like the answer but after that point you kinda need to move on. There's no need to harrass, insult, or constantly keep repeating your dislike of her or her decision. Many people can't seem to do this so yeah, sometimes the people you refer to as "white knights" step in to say something but many times the "white knights" are stepping in to "protect" the girls, they're stepping in to try and tell some people they're being jerks.
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Hooray!
A good reasoned response that mostly refrains from attacking the poster.
I'll respond to this later. Gotta get to work, but I appreciate this as well as those who've actually tried to defend my right to argue my point.
But just to respond quickly, I never said I was right. I could be entirely wrong. Never said I couldn't be. However I find that people often choose to attack the poster and not the argument.

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charn
fubar

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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 11:37AM

That is somewhat correct. One part of me is thick and juicy.

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lenecplusultra
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 3:28PM

Irex, you might not have chosen the right words in your post but I totally understand what you are saying and I think people are attacking you for no good reason.
Clayra, I really really liked you, my favorite kind of porn girl is one that does IR from the start of her career, so that I don't have to wait until she is old and washed up, or until she has done every other degrading act, before she thinks someone that looks like me is worthy of touching her. And you are one of favorite porn girls. But I think your post went too far. I really think you need to apoligize for such personnal attack if you have not done so yet.
Before I write this, I have to make clear for everybody that I will never go beg a pornstar to do what I like seeing, because there is more than I can watch of that already. As much as I will never attack a pornstar for not doing something she is not comfortable with, I will never attack someone that is too stubborn to give it a damn rest. She has the right not to do it, and the fans have the right to keep asking her.
This is just to illustrate that defending pornstars is way out of control from adoring fans.
I think what Irex is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that girls enter porn and want to be big stars, want to have adoring fans and want to make a lot of money, but, they are not comfortable with what doing porn entails. And when soem people remind them that this not their personal life, it's their professional life, others go crazy and start attacking that person.
Doing porn might not be an easy job, far from that, but it is still a job. Just like when you decide to be a cop it means that you are gonna endanger your life to protect the rest of society, just like when you chose to become a firefighter, it means that you will endanger your own life just to pull someone out of a burning building, just like if you enter the army, you will be expected to go to war zone where you can easily get killed, just like when you decide to become a doctor, it means that sometimes, as straight male, you will put your finger in another man's ass.
None of these is easy.
If of all the jobs there is on earth, you pick one of those, you pick whatever comes with the job. When the girl decides that she will have sex on camera for the viewing pleasure of others, it's a no brainer that people expect her to do IR, anal, dp and even gangbangs, or at least people will ask her to do it. Why? because porn is not your personnal life, porn is your job and those things, even if you think they are uncomfortable, are part of the job description.
The problem with some porn fans is that, as long as the girls they like, do what they like seeing, they think no one else has the right to ask said girls for anything else. So they are always quick to attack anybody that say something to their precious princess.
If a cop decided to only patrol safe neighborhoods because he fears losing his life, I think we would all tell him to get another job.
You can't be a firefighter if you are afraid of fire.
So if you enter porn, people except that you will have anal sex. Even though I hate anal, I don't blame anybody that wants to see a pornstar do anal. It's not like they are asking some random girl they saw on the streets to do something, they are asking somebody who decided that their job would be to fulfill men's masturbation fantasies.
If you enter porn, there are some people (white and black) that wanna see you fuck a black guy. This is really where I have been the most disppointed in the average porn viewer when it comes to defending the girls. Some of these dodgers say things that if anybody in any line of work nowaddays said, the backlash against them would be so bad that they will apologize, quit their job or both. When dodgres say they don't do Ir because their parents won't let them, it's funny that some people will swallow that and be like, ok, respect your parents will.
If I went to apply for a job somewhere and the owner of the company told me this:
" MR Necplustra, your resume is outstanding, you have the experience and the knowledge, and I think you will excel at this job but there is one little problem, you're black, and my parents are really old fashioned. They come to visit me very often and if they found out that I had hired a black person, they would stop talking to me, so even though I personally have no problems with black people, I won't hire you because it will offend my parents"
If I get that straight this guy is not racist, but he will comply with the racist views of his parents, what does that make him? You guys that always defend dodgers, and that pseudo-intellectual black guy on here, you tell me.
If you heard anybody say anything similar to this in real life, this person would be called on their bullshit, but the pornchick will say that and people will just accept it as something completely normal.
For God's sake, Trent Lott lost his position just for saying that a segregationist should have become president, Imus was fired for calling someone nappy headed.
Another one is girls who accept to go work for Max Hardcore and come back complaining about the experience, and all these guys here will start attacking Max for taking advantage of their beloved star. I am no porn expert, hell I have been reading porn forums less that two months and even I know Max. God knows I hate that man. But when someone sees what he does to women, decides to go shoot for him and complains about the experience, they don't deserve anybody's compassion unless they are mentally retarded, which these girls are not. But I have seen people attack Max for using precious little porn princess that was clueless enough to go shoot for him. PLEASE. This is one case I would defend someone I personnally hate.
This is a no bullshit society that we all live in today, and porn fans just take too much crap from pornstars, and when someone calls them on their bullshit, some people here and other forums go crazy and think "thou shall not criticise precious little porn princess".

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JohnW
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 3:38PM

It hadn't. Yet what you are doing here is using the oldest trick in the book, to accuse other posters of being angry. It seems you enjoy starting fights. And you are probably looking to keep doing it until you get the reply you want so you can go: "See there! I told you so!".
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JohnW
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 3:45PM

The original post is a boiler plate kind of post anyway. As long as a forum has more than 10 posters, there will be someone representing a stupid behavior to be complained about.
ADT has white knights, we have trolls, we have haters, we have subtle haters, we have misogynists, we have feminists, we have people with agendas obvious or hidden, we have basically every type of poster. Of course there are individuals behaving the way you are saying, but that's just one of many kinds of posters. What you really are saying is "I think these kind of posters are stupid". Fine. They won't go away, nor will the others. Whining about things you can't do anything about gets old really fast.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 6:10PM

lenecplusultra wrote:
I think what Irex is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that girls enter porn and want to be big stars, want to have adoring fans and want to make a lot of money, but, they are not comfortable with what doing porn entails. And when soem people remind them that this not their personal life, it's their professional life, others go crazy and start attacking that person.
Doing porn might not be an easy job, far from that, but it is still a job. Just like when you decide to be a cop it means that you are gonna endanger your life to protect the rest of society, just like when you chose to become a firefighter, it means that you will endanger your own life just to pull someone out of a burning building, just like if you enter the army, you will be expected to go to war zone where you can easily get killed, just like when you decide to become a doctor, it means that sometimes, as straight male, you will put your finger in another man's ass.
None of these is easy.
If of all the jobs there is on earth, you pick one of those, you pick whatever comes with the job. When the girl decides that she will have sex on camera for the viewing pleasure of others, it's a no brainer that people expect her to do IR, anal, dp and even gangbangs, or at least people will ask her to do it. Why? because porn is not your personnal life, porn is your job and those things, even if you think they are uncomfortable, are part of the job description.
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Yeah, it would be great if every girl who entered the porn biz was up for doing any and everything but all of them aren't. It's their body and their choice. Not every will agree with their decision but hey what ya gonna do? at some point you need to accept it and move on. You keep trying to make it sound as though there's a list of sexual acts a girl has to agree to to get into porn. Porn isn't like most jobs in the work place where your boss has a specific lists of daily duties to perform.
A porngirl is a free agent who says here's a list of things she'll do and if anyone wants to hire her based on that list she'll shoot for them. There've been plenty of pornstars who've had successful careers not doing anal, IR, gangbangs, DPs, rough sex, cream pies, or whatever the latest fad may be. It's not out of the question or strange for a girl to enter the porn biz with the intention of not doing those things. Do I think her career will be successful if she did those things? In most cases, yes. In some cases, no. A contract girl can get away without doing any of that stuff and it probably won't affect her career in any real way.
For "Gonzo" girls having a list of sex acts they won't do may hurt their career to varying degrees depending on the sex acts they won't do. But there are girls who are major players in porn who don't do anal or IR and they seem to be doing just fine. Yeah, they annoy the hell out of certain fans because they won't do...whichever, but they seem to be working steadily, as often as they want to and it's not bothering them so there's no incentive to do...whatever. It's their choice.
That's the world of porn. If the girl can bring something to the table that people want to see she can expoit that without doing other things. A girl might be so hot guys will settle to see her doing anything...or rather close to nothing. If a girl is hot enough and in demand she can get by only doing girl/girl. The girl might have a great set of big breasts and is able to get by not doing IR. A girl might have spectacular ass and can get by not doing anal. We see this all the time in different configurations. If a girl doesn't want to do something they don't want and can get by without doing it can you blame them?

I personally don't see that in the same light as you and the OP do. There's a difference between asking if a girl will do something or wanting them to do something and repeatly complaining about what they won't do on a messgeboard. I really don't see anyone getting bent out of shape for asking if a pornstar does a certain thing. In many cases people aren't defending their "precious princess" but trying to stop from hearing the same old complaing they've heard waaaaaay too often.
There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them. That's what what I see happening here more than anything.

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lenecplusultra
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 7:00PM

Maybe I should make this clear, I am not one to force my wish on any girl, it's their body, they can do as they wish. But I disagree with being offended when people ask porn related questions. The point is that people ask these questions because you are doing porn. You should expect it all the time. Some people are stubborn. Others are just new and don't know that you have answered all those questions already.
When a music band seperates, their fans will keep asking them when they are gonna get back together, when you start out as a solo artist, no one will ask you when you will get back with your band.
Obama gets asked about the US economy hundreds of time a month, why? because he is the president. What if his supporters starting telling journalists to give whole economy stuff a rest. We will gladly remind them that maybe he should have not become president. That's what the point of all this is. Porn fans need to stop getting offended because their favorite girl is asked the same thing over and over again. You don't want anyone to ask you when will be your first ir, anal, dp, gangbang... stop doing porn, plain and simple.
This the classic bullshit of people seeking fame, stars are mad because paparazzis follow them. Are you kidding? Were you living under a rock when they were following other stars before you became one?
If you do porn, people will ask you porn related question which will be
when will do anal, ir, dp, gangbang? I am sure whoever was your porn mentor has warned you already how these porn viewers can be annoying.
If you have to answer those questions 100 times, so be it, just don't be mad because you are asked, and if your answer is unclear, they will keep asking (though I wish they will stop), but you can't blame them for asking.

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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 7:58PM

The thread is a troll circle-jerk. I wouldn't waste another thought on it, if I were you.

Heh . . . as far as I can tell from watching Celebrity Rehab/Sober House, Tom Sizemore's fortunes have declined to the point that the only articles of clothing he owns are a couple of those shirts and one pair of black jeans that would look better on a man who weighed about 75 lbs less. I think it's perfectly alright that the struggles of a hopeless dopefiend/loser are turned into voyeuristic fodder for the mid-tier cable TV audience, but it's exploitative to let him do it dressed like that. Dr. Drew should exercise some common decency and get the dude a button-up shirt without any stupid silk-screened crap on it.
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Posted - Apr 10 2010 : 9:57PM

And that's an issue that goes way beyond the "badgering porn starlets" stage, IMO. For every preference/kink/fetish that's represented here at ADT (natural boobs, footjobs, IR, girl-girl, whatever), there are multiple people who just can't seem to fathom the idea that their personal "thing" is just one minority interest in a universe of minority interests and who get bent severely out of shape whenever somebody so much as insinuates that perhaps there aren't quite as many people sharing their views as they like to imagine. Porn actresses who post here on ADT are just the most "convenient" target for that type of people, but that whole mindset is ruining plenty more threads that no porn star ever set their virtual foot in.

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Irex
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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 1:16AM

Really? Did you miss where I was called a serial killer in the making?
You may have skimmed that.
There are other personal nasty negative comments. I don't feel it's my job to read the whole thread to you.
And as to you later post. Well I suppose you don't have to think it's worthy of discussion.
I don't care, really.
You do or you don't. My Cheerios still taste the same the next morning.
And if anyone wants to accuse me of trolling, please report me to a mod. If I'm a troll, and don't realize it, I apologize. Please get me banned if that's the case. Otherwise don't make an accusation. It's petty and a weak way to jump into a thread.
Look, does everybody remember when Janine first came on the scene? She was the hottest thing in porn and she knew it. Because she was, she put out some of the most lackluster porn ever. Boring artsy Andrew Blake slo-mo shot in sepia crap. Or Vivid features where they kept coming up with more excuses to do the same exact girl-girl scene over and over again.
Yawn.
Who do you blame for that?
Janine?
No. she said, "I don't want to get fucked on screen."
The producers and director?
No. they said "She's so hot, we'll just put her on a boxcover. It'll sell."
The consumers?
Yes. If someone spoonfeeds you shit and come back for more, it's your fault.
Your money makes these movies exist. So if you want to see something, you see it.
And the reason your best friend is your fellow consumer is because if we treat it like a business (which is what it is...) then you get what you want.
If ten million consumers at wal-mart say "we want more brands or we'll buy elsewhere," wal-mart gets more brands.
You may not want every one of those brands, but it's good to know that as a force you can get something done and increase the choices you have.
I've been on Euro porn sites and this just isn't an issue for the most part.
Are European porn producers evil just because they expect a certain level of acceptance that in porn you're doing a lot of very sexual acts you might not perform in your real life?
Or is it because they realize it's a boys network and they have every right to produce what they want because they want it and the audience wants it?
As to Draxx's points earlier, look, it's pretty much an absolute on this board that the girl is always right, isn't it?
Rarely are they contradicted and when they are, the opposers are shouted down?
Just admit that.
I would never say that I'm wholly right, but you have to admit that these girls would have to be killing puppies in a gas furnace they bought from a Nazi memorabilia dealer for some of these guys to stop their worship.
That kind of blind devotion isn't sensical either.
You say it's a girl's body and her choice?
ABSOLUTELY!! I would say that to 100% certainty.
It's also my money paying for that DVD.
My money and my choice.
Let's just play along for two seconds and say this movement I speak of caught on for some crazy reason and guys decided if girls don't want to do everything on the porn checklist, screw it, we don't want her movies. And when those titles they sold like crap and producers realized if we don't do this across the board sort of porn, we're gonna go out of business.
Would that be wrong? That kind of pressure on the business of porn?
And if so, why?

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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 1:38AM

The reason people tend to "protect" the girls here is that this is meant to be a friendly place for industry people. When you've been around here for a while, you become familiar with the kinds of topics that always turn into flame wars. Yes. Asking a performer a question like "Do you do IR?" is just a question but it's a question that seems to always cause bitter arguments, hard feelings and almost always ends with a performer being called a racist (Either outright or implied). It doesn't matter who "starts" the argument. The simple fact is that it makes ADT a hostile environment for the girls and also for people who don't find such arguments to be pleasant or entertaining. It turns a thread into an online version of Jerry Springer.
Obviously, those of us who are not here to give them a hard time want them to feel comfortable and welcome and not to feel like they're going to be interrogated about why they don't do anal or IR or whatever it is the minute they post something anywhere on the forum. And again, the simple fact is that's what usually happens with these questions. It turns into an interrogation. I'm sure they don't mind answering reasonable questions but nobody wants to be grilled. When they post here, they do so voluntarily and they can leave just as easily.
Too often, these questions are asked by posters who just want to stir up trouble and that's exactly what they do. Either that or they genuinely had no idea it was such a controversial subject but someone who does know will come along and turn the thread into a flame war. And when they finally succeed, they frequently drive industry people away in the process. Then, those people get deactivated but it doesn't matter. The people they drove away often don't come back and the forum loses a valuable poster. The lifeblood of a forum like this is to have industry insiders posting here. We have a couple of off topic forums but without plenty of industry insiders, the forum is kind of an orphan that is a shadow of what it could be.
Those of us who have been here for years have seen this almost daily so when we see certain topics pop up, we just expect the worst. We're usually right. A controversial topic always turns into a fight sooner or later.

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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 2:48PM

RP wrote
Asking a performer a question like "Do you do IR?" is just a question but it's a question that seems to always cause bitter arguments, hard feelings and almost always ends with a performer being called a racist (Either outright or implied)
It is not pleasant for anyone to be called racist nowaddays.
I personnally refuse to see any of my failures as being related to my race. Why? It's too easy. I will stop making efforts in life and just say that I am failing because of my race. This is why I rarely call anyone racist. I try as hard as possible not see racism around me.I also feel really bad for some white people who have to walk on eggshells when it comes to race matters because they are easily accused of racism.
But that's just me. Some of us black people are really quick at calling other people racist which I think is unfair as well.
Let's just get real for a second though. When someone decides that their job is to have strangers put their dick in her pussy, and then put a big sign on her pussy saying " NO BLACKS DICKS ALLOWED", goes on radio shows and talks about how unattractive black people are .It amazes me that someone like that and her followers are surprised and offended that said person is called racist. That kind of naivete and blind following can only be found in porn nowadays.
If anybody for one second thought no one would call that person racist, they really need to wake up. I have seen many people called racist for less than that.
Will I personally call them racist?
As I already said I choose to stay away form that word.
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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 7:26PM

shalalin wrote:
There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them.
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And that's an issue that goes way beyond the "badgering porn starlets" stage, IMO. For every preference/kink/fetish that's represented here at ADT (natural boobs, footjobs, IR, girl-girl, whatever), there are multiple people who just can't seem to fathom the idea that their personal "thing" is just one minority interest in a universe of minority interests and who get bent severely out of shape whenever somebody so much as insinuates that perhaps there aren't quite as many people sharing their views as they like to imagine. Porn actresses who post here on ADT are just the most "convenient" target for that type of people, but that whole mindset is ruining plenty more threads that no porn star ever set their virtual foot in.
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Quite right. I absolutely think it's fine to ask a pornstar a question about what she won't do but it seems some people just get rude if they don't hear an answer they don't like. And the whole thing of people coming up with outlandish statements to try and back up their particular "kink" is pretty annoying too. Sorry, but no matter how many times a person starts a thread or highjacks a thread to tell us "fake breasts" or the supposed lack of IR is destroying the porn industry doesn't make it so.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 8:28PM

There's a huge difference between you writing the heads of WAL-MART to tell them you'd like more brands and you repeatedly going to WAL-MART and harrassing a sales clerk and telling them how much they suck because WAL-MART doesn't carry stuff you want.
If you want moe anal, IR or whatever in porn let the people who actually make the movies know.
If you aren't getting what you want from WAL-MART or a porn studio or girl, stop buying their products and go elsewhere. Like you say...if enough people feel the same way you'll see a change.

Well yes the girl is always "right" in a sense because in the end it's her choice to do what she wants right? If you really believe it's her body, career and choice for her to make and not just saying that when you like the answer then in a sense she is always "right". If you mean "right" as in giving you the answer you want to hear...no she isn't always "right".
When it comes to IR I think some of the excuses the girls give as to why they don't do it can be silly. But then again is there a "good" excuse for not doing it? Sometimes. But for too many people here no excuse/reason will ever be good enough and at that point some people just get rude and annoying. Badgerring the girl doesn't seem to get the girl to change her mind. Calling the girl a racist doesn't get her to do anything. Repeating over and over and over how much you don't like her answer seems to do very little so why make an ass of yourself and make the girl angry if it leads to nowhere? I'm not talking you specifically, I'm talking about the behavior from certain people in general.
Alot of people here are civil and adult enough to not throw a fit for not always getting what they want and don't see the point in supporting the people aren't. So the supposed "White Knights" try to stop things before it goes too far and the only thing that comes from it is the girl deciding to stop posting here. Or they try and tell you... 1) You can't always get what you want. 2)The girl is free to do whatever she chooses. 3)Oh please, don't start up with this shit again. 4) maybe it's time for you to move on.
It's not always about protecting the girl, many times it's about shutting the person up because it never leads to any good.
The anal thing...if she doesn't want to or doesn't think she can do it the conversation should stop right there.
The boobjob thing...Sorry but if the girl decides she wants them or that it will help her career she should do what she feels is best for her. She's actually in the business and is surounded by girls who've had them done. Why should she listen to a few fans who simply don't like them tell her how big a mistake they are when she's got tons of people who work in the business, have them and know exactly what impact they'll have. If she gets them and are happy with them, that's great. Why would she want to hear from a few strangers on a messageboard how she "ruined" herself?
If anyone doesn't like the stuff a girl does or doesn't do that's perfectly okay but please move on and don't bore/annoy everyone with the beating of your dead horse.

Again, I'm really not seeing this "blind devotion" you keep referring to. Just because someone can agree with with the girl or see her point or not see the reason for being rude and mean to her doesn't make it blind devotion.

That's the way most people do it and the way it's supposed to work. The ganging up on the porngirl part doesn't help this at all. If the consumer numbers show there's a great enough demand the porn companies/directors will only cast girls who do what the demand wants to see. Then the girls will either do that sex act or won't get work. Their choice. That will much much better than harrassing the girl on a messageboard.

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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 8:32PM

Draxxx wrote:
shalalin wrote:
There are people who constantly complain about the same thing and won't let it go. Those people seem to get bothered that others or more people don't jump on their bandwagon. They feel that if more people have the same complaint it makes their complaint more legit. that's why they keep bringing it up and coming up with ridiculous rationalizations to try and back up what they want to see. When people don't go along with it try and point out how wrong they are they see it as an attack on them.
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And that's an issue that goes way beyond the "badgering porn starlets" stage, IMO. For every preference/kink/fetish that's represented here at ADT (natural boobs, footjobs, IR, girl-girl, whatever), there are multiple people who just can't seem to fathom the idea that their personal "thing" is just one minority interest in a universe of minority interests and who get bent severely out of shape whenever somebody so much as insinuates that perhaps there aren't quite as many people sharing their views as they like to imagine. Porn actresses who post here on ADT are just the most "convenient" target for that type of people, but that whole mindset is ruining plenty more threads that no porn star ever set their virtual foot in.
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Quite right. I absolutely think it's fine to ask a pornstar a question about what she won't do but it seems some people just get rude if they don't hear an answer they don't like. And the whole thing of people coming up with outlandish statements to try and back up their particular "kink" is pretty annoying too. Sorry, but no matter how many times a person starts a thread or highjacks a thread to tell us "fake breasts" or the supposed lack of IR is destroying the porn industry doesn't make it so.
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Yes... and just to add, those that post their opinion as a FACT are really annoying too. Irex for example, with his whole Janine thing - it is just laughable. I can respect someone not liking the work of Janine, but the assumptions that Irex made, and the way he stated it like a fact was just very off-putting.
And from this thread, I think it is safe to say that "bros before hoes" does not work when applied to porn. Everyone has different tastes and like different things. Individuals and companies produce porn, and anybody that feels there is some lack in porn is free to step up and fill that need - that is the real business part of it.
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Posted - Apr 11 2010 : 8:50PM

Yes, especially if they aren't racist.
Maybe there are a few racist pornstars out there but it seems a lot of them aren't and just don't do IR because of who they work for or who they date or are married to or who they suround themselves with. If they're with a boyfriend/husband or company or agent who advises them not to do it it's understandable that they wouldn't. At the end of the day they go back to or depend on those people and it makes sense to keep things drama free with them. It makes much more sense to keep them happy over a few fans on a messageboard who's loyalty only lasts until the next porngirl grabs their fancy if they had any loyalty at all.
If this board is any indication of the type of fans they have to deal with it makes sense not listen to them. Some of you bitch for the sake of bitching and whatever the girl decides to do it's never good enough. If a girl does decide to do IR after not doing it some of you complain it's "too late", it's with the "wrong black guy", they're doing it out of desperation, some worry about how much the girls is charging, etc..etc...
Why listen to or worry about pleasing the un-pleasable? Why worry about or listen to people who probably haven't spent a penny towards their career and probably watches all there work without paying for it? If they're happy and satisfied with the way their career is going what's the up side or point in listening to a few fans who spend their time on a messageboard complaining about people or the porn biz not giving them what they somehow thing they deserve?

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