My goodness, reading through some of these posts I can really see how pathetically oblivious some of you are! Is the thought of a teenage girl having sex that scary to you? I got news for you- these days normal teenagers are having sex. A ton of it! What do you think millions of teenagers do on Friday night? Go out for a fucking cup of joe? You guys need to step out from under your rock and realize that there are way bigger problems than teen sex. Who really gives a shit about an 18 year old adult pornstar when you have 12 year old boys and girls getting high and attending sex parties. It's ridiculous to argue for a raise in the age limit when you are so hard pressed to find a 16 year old who isn't having sex already. It's like many of you are oblivious or in denial. Besides weren't some of you having sex when you were in high school?? It's sex guys and everyone is having it. Loosen up a bit.
^ Hey Albert, next time you reply to a thread try reading the posts first. It would make your hysteric ramblings a bit more relevant and much less annyoing. The issue here is not whether 18 year olds should be having sex; rather whether they should be performing in adult films. Banging your high school boyfriend in the backseat of his fiat is not something that would jeopardize your chances at a mainstream occupation years later. So your attempt to equate porn careers to private sex lives is just plain silly.
I hate... HATE... fake tits. I actually like smaller tits anyway, but large ones are nice too... as long as they're real. And 18 year olds are awesome because 1) it's dirty and cool that someone so young is doing these things, and 2) they often have an awesome combination of hot and sexy bodies with cute faces and attitudes.
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Posted - Sep 19 2007 : 7:32AM
@StingingVelvet THANK YOU!!!! look no one has a gun to no ones head making them fuck on film everyone is getting greatly paid for it, and as for me my joy out of porn is doing what i shouldn't do. i get a rush each scene!! i love it. i learn the rebellious ways of myself. oh i fucking love it. !!!!
.:*:.Cassidy Essence.:*:. mod: extraneous quote removed Edited by - hardware on 9/19/2007 1:54:03 PM
Once there was a time youth rebelled against grown-ups under the motto "Make Love Not War". Today's rebellious motto is "Make Porn Not Love". And the grown-ups drool. The Times They Are a-Changin' [xx)]
I am not starting back with this thread except to point out that Random is hardly the only one slinging insults. Read Miss DeRay's post a few up. Even though she is of your frame of mind, her post is essentially libel based on her opinion. Like I said, I'm not even trying to start the arguments back up, but this stuff cuts both ways. mod: nested quote removed Edited by - hardware on 9/19/2007 11:08:06 PM
Don't thank me, I should thank you. And no, no one is holding a gun to their heads. Are some 18 year olds too immature to be in porn? Too naive to make a decision that won't negatively impact their lives? Yes, almost surely this is so... but I could say the same thing for 21 year olds, or 25 year olds, or hell... even 40 year olds. A magic fairy doesn't come down and grant you maturity and reason at 21, it all depends on the person. Would anyone say Sasha Grey wasn't mature and intelligent enough to make her own decisions when she was 18 and in the business? I think not. It's actually pretty naive and condescending to say "I know better than these women, these 18 year olds..." Reminds me of the feminist idea that women are too incompetent to decide whether or not to be in porn, so it should be banned for their protection. Edited by - StingingVelvet on 9/19/2007 9:32:57 PM Edited by - StingingVelvet on 9/19/2007 9:34:24 PM
In my life I've known some fairly mature 18 year olds. I've also known some fairly immature 50+ year olds, everybody matures at different rates and some never grow up. I am over three times as old as Cassidy. All that this means is I've seen more days and nights on this planet, nothing more or less.
^...Those extra days and nights on this earth are called "life experiences". Something that most people sorely lack at 18. Are there "mature" 18 year olds out there? Perhaps. Are there "immature" 50 year olds out there too? absolutely. But as Juha already explained, laws aren't based on individual cases, they are based the overall average.
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Posted - Sep 19 2007 : 11:37PM
this is very true,^^^ see i enjoy asking everyone questions, i ask to get answers. i learn every day and i feel stronger as a girl. i live 340 miles away from my daddy and i miss him. im learning how to grow up alone! for 4 months of me living down here i didn't have a roommate, now she's back and its amazing. see im not saying im smarter then any "adult"over the age of 21, im simply opinionated. iv gotten this far in my life alone, no more daddy to save me, im doing this mission solo. thank you all for even having this sort of on going thread, head banging brawl. See i learned something new! .:*:.Cassidy Essence.:*:.
In what utopian society are you living in? Age based laws have never been based on average but rather perception. I remember when the drinking age was lowered to 18 and again when it was raised. The reason it was raised was not because the majority of 18 year olds ability to handle the added responsibilities but rather those under 18 getting easier access to alcohol.
Ok, apparently you're the one who needs to read through the thread again. So according to your logic it's ok for a 21 year old to do porn because it will have less of an impact in their lives than an 18 year old? Yea, OK. Because we all know that at age 21 what ever choice any one makes is indeed the right one and society must accept that without prejudice. The choices you make at any age will impact your life. Whether you drop out of school, have an unwanted pregnancy, rack up an enormous debt, rebel against your family, get an offensive tattoo on your neck, get a felony, or decide to act in adult films at a young age- all your choices have an impact in your life. What makes porn so much worst than the other choices? Somewhere someone was denied a student loan because they committed a felony at age 16. Somewhere someone is denied a job because they have a stupid tattoo on their neck that they regrettably got as a rebellious teen. Somewhere someone filed for bankruptcy because they can't pay off the credit card bills they amassed as an irresponsible teen. Lots of people have made decisions that have profoundly effected their lives but life is fair that way. Doing porn isn't any differently than any of those analogies I've provided for your pondering pleasure. I don't give a shit if you don't like them because they're an accurate reflection of the bullshit that goes on every day in the good 'ol USA. Good day. And remember kids, make the right choices 'cuz once you fuck up it's society's job to make sure you're never forgiven.
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Posted - Sep 20 2007 : 1:16AM
alright still this continues. well look i don't know who all believes in horoscopes, the signs, and all that astrology stuff. well I do . if you look to see what signs are common among the porn people you'll see a pattern... Pisces... many of the porn people have this sign. "me"Cassidy essence "my roommate" Bella Lynn stormy and boyfriend Sacha Grey...
the list continues pisces you can even read your own.. see maybe its what sign of person you are. .:*:.Cassidy Essence.:*:.
First of all, what I'm suggesting isn't a novel concept. It's the same principle behind the drinking and gambling laws. One could argue that a 21 year old is just as likely to blow his money on blackjack as an 18 year old. But in the end, it's about reducing the odds of such rash decision making. With the added life experience, a 21 year old will have a better idea of what they're getting into, will know better how to manage their newfound wealth, and will have the kind of assertiveness that most 18 year olds don't have. All of these are absolutely essential for anyone entering this industry. Porn can be a pretty rough business. It can set you up for life if you have your wits about you, and it can break you if you don't. You could argue that any business is like that. But in the outside world if you chose the wrong job and end up quitting, you can easily start anew. Porn is not something that you can just walk away from. It is recorded for posterity. The 18 year old who gets into porn thinking she's gonna be the next Jenna Jameson and ends up burning out by 19 after blowing all her earnings, is going to have to battle against that stigma every time she applies for a job or gets into a relationship. I don't agree with that stigma, but it's there and a handful of posters on ADT aren't going to change it.And that's the reason why I support raising the porn age to 21.
I think it's important to note that, as far as I know, there is no law that says "you must be 18 to do pornography." It's not specific. To raise the age to 21 would impact many other mediums...
Excuse me? That was not an insult. It was an observation. A pretty good one, I think. Edit - And I'm no longer arguing in this thread (in case you hadn't noticed). I don't argue with people who aren't interested in having a reasonable debate. I can see what this is about and I feel the occasional observation is about all this thread is worth. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/20/2007 9:04:43 AM
The minimum age for porn will never go up to 21. We just went thru 6 years of the most conservative government in the countries history. No one even mentioned changing the law. Porn laws are under federal law. Under federal law 18 year old are adults. State laws prohibiting alcoholic and some gambling, but not all gambling are clearly unconstitutional. And only need a challenge to change. The US Supreme Court has ruled 18 yr olds can be executed for crimes committed when they are 18. 18 yr olds are allowed to join or be drafted into the military. To be sent into combat to kill and be killed. It is not the US government’s job to protect people from themselves So the 18 yr olds will just keep on come every year. Edited by - Shagdog on 9/20/2007 6:10:44 PM Edited by - Shagdog on 9/20/2007 6:58:42 PM
Except it does when it requires you to buckle up in your car or wear a helmet on your bike. It also helps protect you from destitution by providing welfare. It's funny how people want government out of the picture only when it suits them.And why would YOU care? Aren't they a bit too old for your taste?
The justifications for those things are all society-based... The reason we have seatbelt laws are the health care costs, not to "save lives," though they market it that way. The justification for welfare is that a poor and starving person steals to survive, and you don't want people breaking into your house. The government should not make new law just to protect people from being stupid though, when it has no effect on others. And P.S. I'm against seatbelt and helmet laws, just explaining their reasoning.
I like 18 YOs because most chicks my age (27) have kids, are really cracked out, or just let themselves go. [There's a few exceptions, but those are more often than not the real pretentious types who won't talk to you unless you're worth a lot. In my area at least.] I'd rather hang out with an 18 YO anyways. People my age are getting pretty boring and lame.
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Posted - Sep 21 2007 : 6:33AM
i'll never win . thanks for listening guys loved chatting but im on to the next thread to go nuts in this one is played out, peace .:*:.Cassidy Essence.:*:.
I have a very different opinion about "What's so great about 18 or 19 years old"...I believe that these young girls have so much power to get the attention and attract for their bodies and what they're wearing in public to get attention from older men like me and others. Yes, the sex with a 18 or 19 years old is great...it's also some older men are more experience than others.
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Posted - Sep 22 2007 : 12:01PM
well one more thing to add, I'm not going to regret shit when im older BECAUSE im so very EXCITED to get fucked in the ASS for the first time!!im getting shot by Anabolic directer Ivan there will be a bit of a surprise!! im stoked this will be off the hook. and i tip my hat to the power of those 18 year olds that KNOW and LOVE what they are doing! Edited by - cassidy essence on 9/22/2007 12:03:50 PM
^i love when a teenage girl gets fucked in the ass for the first time!! i cum in their nice teen asses...after it look like a creampie. Edited by - hardware on 9/23/2007 12:15:49 AM
Choadmaster. Wow. How do I put this...? Do you actually have luck with the teenies? I understand your thrill but c'mon. You say that women your age are cracked out, let themselves go, and etc. You do not appear to be the hottest thing walking if your photo is accurate. Maybe if you took better care of yourself then you could get one of the many hot women out there who take great care of themselves and are not cracked out or over the hill looking. I am always amazed to see how greedy and picky some men are when they look like they would have 0 success with any woman that does not have a inflate/deflate valve. I believe that if guys would work out and take care of themselves then they could get real girls and would not have to send so much time on the message boards discussing their make believe porn girlfriends with other men who are in similar situations. Lotsa dreamin' and very little doin'. Good luck!
I love seeing the young porn starlets defend their right to do porn, and can't understand why any dude would want to see the minimum age raised from 18 to 21. Sexy young women rock.
never big on the arbirary and mythical 18 year old fetish that some people have. i like women that look like women and behave with the self assurance of a woman. thing is i got a bro that really digs young chicks and he told me its because ogf the masterful feeling you get. this guy is not very masterful in real life either. with young girls then he can have his moment of masterful glory. i think it comes don to that. "ooooh you're so big and masterful!!!!!!"
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Posted - Sep 25 2007 : 3:34PM
oH no! i only have 5 1/2 more months to be 18!! i need to take more advantage of it, because i may become a bitter old lady with 6 x husbands and kids from every state. I will look at those sexy young 18 yr olds, and remember what i use to look like, while im talking shit to them trying to make them look stupid and immature. when all im being is a sour pussy because im jealous. i need to wake up look in the mirror, im still 18 and im lovin it!! i have a sweet pussy by the way .:*:.Cassidy Essence "of fuck"..:*:. Edited by - cassidy essence on 9/25/2007 3:37:07 PM Edited by - cassidy essence on 9/25/2007 3:46:00 PM
juha wrote: "I just don't want them to fuck on film preserved for posterity. ........................ That's selfish. We as consumers have responsibility too." As ( I think ) one of the few members here knowing some girls personally, that played in Teen Porn, between the age of 15-17 ( when it was still legal in DK+NL), I have to cry : " Juha, please dont generalize this ! " Yes, " we as consumers have responsibility too." Thats right. But I prefer to watch a real teen girl having fun in porn, instead of watching 20-year old women who only endure the mysognistic porn movie, in which they "act". As other posters said, we need much more preparation for young women/men entering porn. My girlfriends, even starting at this early age, never regreted it. But I doubt, that they had played in the normal US porn ( time pressure, very little scope for personal development, minimal chance to work on the story - if there is one ....). The 80s were the golden age of european teen porn, and we hadnt such a terrible glut of porn movies, customers were anxious to look at the new releases. And this overproduction results in pressure ( time / content / cost cutting ). I want consumer responsibility too. But why should a porn consumer be irresponsible, if he likes porn with 18ers ? ( Or, if we go back only a few years, 15-17ers, depending on your country ? ). And no, I dont want a "Barely legal" with 12 year olds, I think the lowest general minimum age should be 15, but not 18. But apart from terrible childporn, where is the responsibility of the normal porn customer, if he watches "Max Hardcore" (18+), where is it, if he watches terrible porn with 40+ women, who are insulted and treated like the worst trash ? Almost nobody talks about THIS responsibility ! That there is so much - played - violence in US porn annoys me. A slap in the face or the man tries to choke her. Is this normal sex ? No, it isnt and it shouldnt. If I have sex with a person, I dont want to suffocate or to be beaten. And I am not talking about SM, but scenes now normal (?) in generic porn. That 18-year old women shouldnt "preserve" their image on film is nonsense. Its hypocrisy. If they are proud of their movies, they should ignore the stupid talk of moralizers, because these are the first ones, who watch her movies secretly. If they dont like what they have done, than they can be proud of her courage. At least they tried it. Juha, you are german. ( I lived in Germany for over 10 years. ) And exactly this was the hypocrisy in Germany. Everybody was ashamed, when an 18-year old schoolgirl from the neighbourhood played in porn, the worst german tabloid made a big headline "Scandal!", but when you entered a sexshop, everybody and his brother was asking for this movie. Another hypocrite thing was, that the former justice minister critized the "under age" porn of Scandinavia and NL. ( I am talking about Teen Porn, not child porn ). But when you entered the average sex shop in Germany.... What did you see ? Shelves, shelves and shelves full of Teen Porn. Sometimes even more dutch teen porn as in the Netherlands itself. ;-) Of course I accept your opinion, but when everybody in Germany is castigating Teen Porn, who the devil is renting and buying it ? Germany is the 3rd largest porn market worldwide. And why are there so few people defending porn ? Not only in the Net, but in the public or if they talk into a microphone. I cant condem US porn movies with 18 or 19 year olds, that are masqueraded as 16 or 17 year olds. I can only condem laws, that criminalize porn with 17 year olds as "child porn". And I can condem the tendence of violence and degrading talk in US porn.
I don't think so. I think it's all about looks, really. Let's face it, some people just don't age well. It's not their fault and it's not an insult to them. I haven't aged well. There was a time when I might have actually been attractive to some women but those days are long gone. That's not to say older women are never attractive. Many are. An 18 year old can most certainly look like a woman. Men just seek out the youngest women the law allows. Perfectly natural. Some men do prefer older women and there's nothing wrong with that either but that's not really the norm. Obviously, every beauty product aimed at the female market is designed to make them look more youthful. Don't you think there's a reason for that? They want to look younger. Why? Because that's what most men are attracted to. Almost no woman wants to look older. And that includes 18 year olds. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/26/2007 4:39:32 AM
Personally, I see a double standard with that. Maybe not necessarily with you but with the general idea. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that males were being "degraded" instead of females. Do you believe the outcry would be anywhere near as loud? If not, why not? Let's just assume there's a video of a female sexually dominating a male. Maybe she slaps him. Maybe she spits on him and calls him a "filthy pig". Do you think that would make the cover of "Anti-porn USA"? I think all the talk of opposition of what is defined as abuse is disingenuous. And I think so because if someone is really for women's rights, then they have to be for a woman's right to choose to participate in "degrading" activity if she wants to or is willing to for the pay. Therefore, I think it's still sexist. It's saying that women can't make a rational choice. That they need to be protected because they don't know what's good for them. That they're naive at best and very probably just plain stupid. In my opinion, the notion that people can't make rational, informed choices about these sorts of things has to be rejected because in order to be fair, it would have to be determined on a case by case basis and that's simply not possible. As far as violence, American culture is violent. Boxing, wrestling and fighting are spectator sports that draw huge crowds. Violent Hollywood movies are usually very popular. Everything we get teaches us to solve our problems with violence. So is it any wonder that there is violence hardwired into our sexuality? An interesting read Edited by - randomprecision on 9/26/2007 5:41:25 AM
I'm often amazed to see how greedy and picky some women are - regardless of their looks. And then some aren't. And nice looking young girls/women do sometimes hook up with guys who look like they would have 0 success - (assuming that's even Choadmaster's actual image), especially if there is something to compensate for the less-than-perfect looks (not necessarily money). Even with guys considerably older than 27. Edited by - eduardo911 on 9/26/2007 7:20:24 PM
^So is an 18 year old with cancer. Or an 18 year old who died in a car accident. Or an 18 year old with 3 kids and no husband. Or an 18 year old living on the streets. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/27/2007 7:55:09 AM
RandomPrecision wrote : "Let's just assume there's a video of a female sexually dominating a male. Maybe she slaps him. Maybe she spits on him and calls him a "filthy pig". Do you think that would make the cover of "Anti-porn USA"?" Random, there are quite a lot of such videos in Europe. Especially here in the Netherlands, we have many SM Videos, where men are degraded, beaten and almost tortured. I dont like porn that degrades women and I dont like porn that degrades men too. You wrote: "And I think so because if someone is really for women's rights, then they have to be for a woman's right to choose to participate in "degrading" activity if she wants to or is willing to for the pay." Thats a strong point. But many women want to play in "normal porn", but there are no companies who produce it any longer. If you look at porn produced in Germany, nearly 95% of it is women degrading, stupid, primitive etc. Many women dont care, as long as it is paid well. But many care, and they dont have a chance to play in a porn movie that doesnt degrades them. They dont have the choice you mentioned. At the moment, US porn in total isnt as mysognistic as porn produced in Germany, but if this trend is going on, only very few high quality labels will remain, who produce erotic and sophisticated porn. The glut of cheap Gonzo movies annoys me.
I don't consume a lot of porn these days but last time I checked, that simply wasn't true. In America, for instance, if nothing else, there's Vivid and Wicked. Both of which were pretty softcore last time I checked. There are alternatives. Maybe not as many as some people would like and maybe some women can't get in the door but it is there.Sure they do. They can choose not to do porn or they can try to start up their own company. It's porn. If you try and apply the same standards to porn as you do any other job, it just doesn't work. Anything could be perceived as degrading. Some people think facials are degrading. Some people think a plain old blowjob is degrading. Some people think porn itself is degrading. What's degrading? How do you define it? And how can you be sure all the women in the industry agree on what's degrading? What if a woman wants to be degraded? If you've seen as much porn as I have, you must know there are women who love it. I do sympathize but to be honest, IMO, porn isn't the kind of work you force yourself to do just because it pays well. You have to be a little masochistic in the first place or all you're going to get is a paycheck. I personally think porn companies should be more discriminating. They should do more extensive interviews with the girls they're thinking of hiring. I agree that if a woman doesn't want to do something, she shouldn't have to but that doesn't mean a company that produces rougher stuff as their primary product should have to hire her and treat her with kids gloves. She should have the discretion to say no. Think about it. If there are as many as you say who don't want to do this stuff, what would happen if they all suddenly started turning it down one day? Those companies that make it would either go out of business or they'd be forced to find women who do want to do it.Well, I have my own issues with that but it's an issue of what people are willing to accept. If the vast majority of customers buy it and will accept that level of quality, the studios have no reason to waste money on higher quality from a business standpoint. I want to take issue with some of what you said earlier because it kinda bugs me. I've seen a lot of Euro porn in which the women aren't treated badly. Devil's Film, for instance. Many of the women in their videos actually seem to be enjoying themselves. I think they're European, anyway. Most of the talking is in another language. Now it's hardcore. There's facials and oral cumshots and anal and all the rest of it but I've never seen a woman slapped in a Devil's Film production. The kind of stuff I've seen that can be seen as degrading was that GGG or whatever it's called. But it does have a market and clearly, some of the women who do it get off on it. Whatever the case may be, none of those stuff is new. Every bit of it went on before the days of the internet. It's just more visible to people who don't care for it. People always did rough bondage and watersports and spanking, slapping, choking and spitting in their own private homes. I did watersports a couple of times before I even knew what to call it. I did bondage before I knew that millions of other people did it. But now, people who don't necessarily like it are doing it because they can get paid to do it. Well, they can always get a McJob and pay for college like everyone else does. Very few men even have the opportunity to do porn. Most of us have to grovel at the alter of minimum wage employers and take out huge loans and scrape our way up the long ladder (If we don't go nuts before we ever get close). Attractive young women have multiple options that most men couldn't even dream of. How many men, for instance can marry a wealthy woman and not ever even have to work? I don't know how it goes where you live but unless the man is very attractive, physically and as a person, it just doesn't happen here. How many men can charm the employer to hire them with their looks? Doesn't happen unless the guy is really good looking and the person doing the hiring is female or gay.
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Posted - Sep 27 2007 : 5:59PM
While this isn't exactly on topic, here's a little bit of absurdity to think about. Here in Pennsylvania if a strip club serves alcohol the ladies cannot get naked..the best they can do is down to pastys and g-strings, and the patrons must be 21. If the club does not serve alcohol, the girls can get down to the bare metal, and the patrons need only be 18. Anyone see anything odd here??
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Posted - Sep 27 2007 : 6:06PM
What other occupation guarantees a teenager lifetime STDs in order to work?
^ OK. But I don't see your point. Is it "porn = bad" as usual or what? It goes with the territory. It's an occupational hazard you just have to accept if you want to do porn. It's pretty common sense as well. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/27/2007 7:54:40 PM
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Posted - Sep 27 2007 : 8:31PM
Teens can get STDs on their own. It's not confined to porn work. Look at the percentage of adults who have an STD versus the percentage who are in porn. And remember the level of disclosure in porn is a bit higher then in "civilian" life. Many teens have sex without exchanging tests. Casual sex results in more unexpected STDs per capita then porn.
and i miss him. im learning how to grow up alone! for 4 months of me living down here i didn't have a roommate, now she's back and its amazing. see im not saying im smarter then any "adult"over the age of 21, im simply opinionated. iv gotten this far in my life alone, no more daddy to save me, im doing this mission solo.
. thanks for listening guys loved chatting but im on to the next thread to go nuts in this one is played out, peace
there will be a bit of a surprise!! im stoked this will be off the hook. and i tip my hat to the power of those 18 year olds that KNOW and LOVE what they are doing! 
while im talking shit to them 
trying to make them look stupid and immature. when all im being is a sour pussy because im jealous
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