There is alot of step family porn scene's now, but it lacks the real taboo feeling. There is almost no dirty talk at all in them, the scenes sometimes doesn't even tell you what bond they have, smal talk at first and then sex. So many sites that offering family roleplay but many are worth looking at if you really would like to see the real taboo. Brazzers, have some step family porn, most stepson stepmom scenes, but really lacks dirty talk. Digital Sin, have a serie called I Love my Moms Big Tits, the titles says it all but when you watch the scenes it kind of sucks, the story line says big tits, but most of the scenes are nothing like the guy would play and suck breasts, maybe some tit fuck and also there no dirty talk. Fantasymassage, have step family porn and they have almost dirty talk in all of there scenes and i think they have some class in there scenes. Digitalplayground, have two scenes called Stepmom's Boobs and the scene with Ava Addams they guy never even touch her breasts. Mommygirl, have also come a long way i think, good act and alots of dirty talk. There is more sites that offering family roleplay also but i think that they should make more of it so the feeling when you watch it would be more true.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 6 2017 : 1:33PM
^^ Agree
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Posted - Jan 6 2017 : 1:46PM
not sure if the thread opener is against it,for me it sounds more its not dirty enough for him and that he actually likes it not dislike it.like the other posters in this thread. i not care if its family roleplay or not,still better than some abuse or cuckold shit in my book just my 2 cents.
Agree with original post. Lots of taboo sites promise taboo role play and set up the scene that way in the pre-amble. Once the sex starts though there's no mention of the relationship and it may as well be any other scene. Brazzers is one of the worst for this but at least they do all types of scenes and don't market themselves as being a taboo site. Stuff like Dadcrush, Sislovesme, familystrokes etc market themselves as catering to this niche and then don't follow through. Digital Sin and New Sensations used to have a Tabu tales line of movies that was generally good and a Shane Diesel daddy role play series but they have not been good of late. Pretty Dirty started well but taboo scenes and taboo talk in those scenes has tailed off. Fantasy massage scenes are good when they come along but are few and far between these days. Fame digital have a decent back catalogue of taboo scenes but their latest Black Stepdaddy movie was very disappointing in terms of dirty talk. I end up having to go to clipsite companies like Bareback studios and Bad Daddy POV for this type of stuff these days and that is expensive if you get carried away.
Family roleplay is just a less controversial way of saying incest porn. For that reason I'm just going to use the correct term of incest porn. The production of incest themed porn has fluctuated over the years but I'd say that it's a lot more common now than it was in the very early days of porn (ie: the 70's and 80's). Probably the biggest difference I can see with more recent incest themed porn to it's older cousin is that the relationship between the characters has moved from sibling/parent to step-sibling/step-parent. I can see why a step-sibling incest relationship might appear more palatable to some people but fans of this type of porn are probably not part of that group. I can take incest porn or I can leave it. That said I don't see any real difference between a much older man/woman having sex with his/her young(legal age) step-daughter/step-son and a much older man/woman having sex with is/her young (legal age) daughter/son. If we are talking morality than neither is all that moral and frankly I don't know how well someone could defend producing fake incest porn where the relationship is step-sibling as opposed to actual sibling if some ambitious prosecutor was looking to make a name for himself/herself by bringing charges. In both cases the performers themselves are not in any way related to each other. It's only the characters themselves that happen to share a family relationship.
You ever thought if it's not your cup of tea just to avoid it? I have not interest in seeing two dudes ram each other or women have their breast tied up so hard they turn purple so I simply don't bother which such sites and/or movies
We all know these people aren't actually related and are acting so I have no problem whether they are pretending to be step family or actual family. If companies would rather use the step relationship angle then I'd prefer they establish this at the start of the scene "you're my step dad, not my real dad" but then lose the step element as soon as possible so she just calls the guy daddy not stepdaddy.
I also realized an increase of those so-called family roleplay scenes. But unfortunately there are a lot of disappointing ones. In my opinion, the whole appeal of these scenes is the taboo aspect and the dirty talk surrounding it ("It's wrong, but it feels so right, daddy" etc.). There are only a few companies out there which understood this (Girlsway, Pretty Dirty, Filly Films and some clips4sale sites). Most of the other ones (Brazzers, Bang Bros. and even specialied sites like FamilyStrokes or SisLovesMe) lack the taboo dirty talk and I actually can't understand why. Edited by - johnmayor on 1/7/2017 6:56:18 AM
I enjoy seeing scenes with my favorite female performers. Especially porn staring mature women. I'd just rather see them having hot gonzo sex without the "mommy/daddy" talk. If that's all everybody seems to be doing these days then I'll just watch them with the sound turned off. It's just my opinion and I get that there are people who are actually into this niche. I'm all for you enjoying whatever floats your boat. Note from my original post that I wish "this fad" would die. I don't need all incest porn to go away I just wish that it wasn't the only avenue for mature actresses to get work in this business.
There is no law relating to shooting fake incest porn anymore than there is a law against producers who dress their obviously older than 18 years old performers too look younger than 18. That doesn't mean that you can't get charged with a crime if you do it. In fact you can get charged and go to prison for doing something that was legal. Just look at what happened to Max Hardcore and John Stagliano. The first was charged with producing child pornography and obscenity and yet none of the performers who have worked with Max over the years was ever under the legal age. It was even worse for John because he didn't shoot the same type of porn as Max so they couldn't accuse him of shooting child porn. The keyword for both of these examples and frankly most of the other accusations has always been obscenity. That word is so obscure in meaning that it should almost never be used in a court of law because it means different things to different people. That's why most producers avoid shooting fake incest porn. One can argue that Hollywood and mainstream media in general has filmed far more controversial and in many ways more obscene content that most porn movies ever will do. Just look at 1978 Pretty Baby as an example of stuff that porn could never have even if the performers did not have sex simply because one is strangely considered art and the other porn.
I think it's for marketing purposes. Real incest is 'icky' and many people are repulsed by the thought of fucking your biological offspring; and they would never pay money to see it in porn. Step incest is less 'icky' because it allows for the possibility that the son/daughter was already a teenager when the parents got together, and is not biological offspring. More icky = less sales. Less icky = more sales. Marketing.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 7 2017 : 9:25PM
Well in 78' incest was hardly a rare subject in porn features. The porn incest classic Taboo was released in 1980. Content was much looser back then in general. I don't mind the occasional incest themed fantasy scenario and wish they were better made for sure but the number of scenes on that theme are frankly ridiculous these days.
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Posted - Jan 8 2017 : 10:07AM
There's nothing to it, like poems from the 18th Century.
You can add multiple French porn movies of the 70's and 80's to the list of incest themed porn but the main difference is that unlike porn who for the vast majority only hires performers of legal age. It seems that mainstream media has very few compunctions when it comes to hiring underage teens(usually teen women) to play roles that have huge sexual connotations and are often by default controversial. Pretty baby being one of the best example. If they ever made a remake of Pretty Baby than you know it could never get made (at least released) unless they hired an 18 years to play the role of Brooke Shields and her character would have to be significantly older than 12. I don't know why there is so much incest themed porn. Is it because it is such a huge seller that producer feel they have to make these types of movies to make a decent profit or is it because they simply have no clue what really sells. Clearly the bulk of the people producing incest themed porn should spend more time studying Taboo to see how it's done.
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Posted - Jan 8 2017 : 12:53PM
And, remember, nobody tarts-up and exploits underage girls like our friends at the Walt Disney Company
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Posted - Jan 8 2017 : 1:44PM
Tell me about it, in my way of watching TV I tend to take a threeminute break at Disney Channel. They have these Dance folks going, Girls at 15, 16, 17 doing tricks I never did see coming (except undressing)
I think they're trying to cover their backs, to be honest. It means the content can be a little bit transgressive but not too transgressive - and therefore off-putting for the fair-weather porn consumer. For those of us who have an incest fetish (albeit, purely in terms of consensual fantasy) the whole 'step' thing is a huge turnoff. We want to pretend they're biologically related because that's more of a turn-on. The porn industry always has to be careful, there's always self-righteous pricks out to get it. They don't want to leave too many hostages to fortune. Incest-related porn may be one. Hence 'family roleplay'.
I think the appeal of it plays into several kinks. First is the taboo subject matter. It seems edgy without having to have the more obvious harder-core sex acts that so much other porn does. It's edgy in it's premise instead of trying be edgy through sex acts. It also serves as another outlet for the barely legal and MILF audience. Plus it appeals to the audience that likes some sort of story/set-up/scenario with their sex instead the typical scene where people just pop up and have sex for no apparent reason. I'm indifferent about it but I can understand the appeal for some.
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Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 10:40AM
There are porn laws in Canada against what you described although theres a fine line between the law and courts protecting real minors and children or way out overly protection that doesn't protect them whatsoever but turns adults into victims. The law and courts need to go after real child molesters and real dads who force themselves on young daughters or sons but leave the innocent to be. The preformers were all 18 and over and fully 100% consented and participated in the porn acts and were not family related, Max was the only victim in that case. Did he force the preformers into a prison for over 3 years? NO, but the courts forced him, do you see the difference as to who the real victim was? Edited by - doug v on 1/10/2017 6:43:08 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 11:25AM
Max wasn't charged or convicted for CP but obscenity. Claiming he was charged with CP is very serious you should be more careful you don't want to spread misinformation like that about someone. No doubt the age play was part of it but I think it is more likely the overt sadism, puke and piss drinking that sealed the deal. Mere scenes of age play didn't lead to convictions for other pornographers in the past so it was unlikely to be the deciding factor in Max's case, although it no doubt didn't help. And there are more than enough stories from female performers (Rebecca Linares, Roxy Jezel) about Max ignoring their limits and assaulting them to put your claim that they all 100% consented into serious doubt. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/10/2017 11:30:46 AM
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Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 11:44AM
Its really funny that fake incest porn is banned in Canada when the preformers are not even family related. But the fact is, whether its step relations or pure family, its much more popular than people think but practiced the very most between female twins at the greatest percentage(you would be shocked to know), sister and sister(the 2nd greatest percentage), mothers and daughters, and then mothers and sons, thats almost always kept secret. Its much more rare between dad, people actually believe its practiced more with a dad when its not, the very very least, its just reported more, like 100 times more reported, honestly this is all a fact if true to life statistics were revealed. Edited by - doug v on 1/10/2017 12:02:57 PM
If you watch Ryan Conner in Call me Mommy from Fantasymassage you see alot of mom and son talk during sex and the scene feels more real then, i think it's the best current scene of roleplay, so hot and Ryan Conner plays super hot mom. Then you can watch Ryan Conner in Take a Seat on my Dick from Brazzers where she should play "Stepmom" and no mom son talk there, but the sex is hot, i think that scene could just be another milf who fucks a younger guy.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 11:58AM
I ordered Taboo on blu ray off of Amazon.ca and had it delivered to my home so I think your claims that it is 'banned' in Canada are baseless. What is your source for your percentages of the kinds of incest? I was under the impression the most common form of incest was fathers abusing their children, although I do remember reading (from Lynne Segal) that mothers are more likely to sexual abuse children under 5 years of age.
It's a good question. The caveat I have is that I generally don't watch a lot of b/g, so I can't comment on the stepfather stuff. I can see the appeal since porn is in general created for men and many of us (who are older) harbor fantasies about a younger partner. While it isn't technically illegal, society thinks it's yucky so there is a taboo element. I have watched some g/g stuff, and the step-relation angle rarely adds anything to the scene. Ultimately, it's usually just two women being a little naughty, or at worst, "lick my box, or I'll tell your father you took my wallet" level of corniness. Filly Films sometimes did a good job with their Mommy and Me series. There was apprehension and seduction when it was well done, with the incest-theme talk in between. It was, as porn goes, somewhat realistically rendered. The only thing missing was getting caught/guilt and other aspects that most scenes ignore. For the family roleplay to work, there has to be more than just a few words tossed off to indicate the relationship, then the sex. The absolute best in this was an old Japanese lesbian incest themed movie where the daughter seduced her mother. Long build up, then a few pretty passionate sex scenes. Then they got caught by the father and he kicked them out of the house. You'd probably have to troll one of the clips sites to find something like that produced in the US
Although it's been many years. I have ordered a hundred different dvd's from various US retailers and I never got one stopped at the Canadian border. The only thing that I got was that I was charged some taxes on a couple of shipments.
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Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 5:11PM
^^I wonder if some of the producers of this content don't really play up the fetish in the scenes themselves in order to avoid upsetting credit card processors and also so they won't attract unwanted legal attention. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/10/2017 5:12:25 PM
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Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 7:27PM
I just quoted what pat362 said("Just look at what happened to Max Hardcore and John Stagliano.The first was charged with producing child pornography and obscenity") but in shorter form, theres so many words i could type in the type bar thing of my ps3. IF none of the preformers were forced then who were the ones doing those actions? the preformers were, it was their choice. What sadism acts are you referring to? Yes there should never be pain or harm during sex. And they shouldn't drink or taste, theres a more fun way for a woman to do that with a guy. Edited by - doug v on 1/10/2017 8:56:57 PM
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Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 7:41PM
Whats my source?---its called---common sense. Its often, almost always kept a secret between the fems. Incest or ch. mo. is the very least committed by men, its almost never kept secret therefore almost always reported. A man in US, Canada and UK does that, the whole world finds out. And its very true about your last comment because they're always with them, but its not abuse its mostly ch. mo. and often disguised as such in a different way such as arousal while brea fe'ing. The sexual arousal in itself is ch mo in a different way and its legal. Edited by - doug v on 1/11/2017 1:10:43 AM Edited by - doug v on 1/28/2017 11:39:04 PM Edited by - doug v on 1/28/2017 11:43:42 PM
The genre in this thread being discussed is typically categorized as "fauxcest". Fauxcest came about as an evolution of the Milf genre. Bigger studios take on bigger risks due to their footprint. A small producer on Clips4Sale has no where near the infrastructure that someone like MindGeek would have. That smaller producer has very little in liability, as all distribution is handled by a third party (ie Clips4Sale). Companies similar in size to Mindgeek have their own payment processor with merchant accounts, with direct relationships to the banks.. Not to mention their size makes them a huge target legally. Those companies in turn have to be cautious. In the end the biggest threat to what gets produced isn't just the government. It is Visa and Mastercard. Most companies will never produce any content, unless their is a financial incentive to do so. Every studio is looking to produce something unique. Gonzo and Wall-to-Wall simply don't sell like it used to. The market has always had to much of those genres and it tends to fair poorly on ads and click thrus.
/ totally agree. But like Kevin Moore points out. In the great old USA you can show the most horrible torture scenes in mainstream movies.. but nobody wants to risk jailtime because of some incest roleplay. Fillyfilms has the stepless mommytalk Girlsway has the best scene (althought its al stepmom) Clips4sale has the most 'real' incest roleplay. But it manytimes lacks a good script or good build-up.
These posts pretty much sum it all up. [my anal correction of homophonic typos]
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Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 6:54PM
I always thought Josef Fritzl in Austria did bring this phenomen to a dead end behind closed doors. I've come to re-think it over and over. Maybe that fellow was some kinda pioneer after all.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 7:16PM
Honestly, I don't look at it as much more than a credible way to present young guy/MILF pairings. Stepbrother/Stepsister, yeah that too. As far as young girls fucking fossils, I don't know that we actually need any more excuses to justify those pairings. I mean, isn't young girl/older guy the "norm"?
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 8:49PM
?? Could you rephrase this for clarity?I thought you had seen Max's videos? He hits, chokes and verbally abuses the women, stick speculums in their mouths, vaginas and anuses. They cry and are covered in their own vomit. But we're OT now... @KevinMoore, thanks for your usual insight. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/11/2017 8:50:12 PM
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 9:51AM
^i didnt see much max dvds, the so called hits and chokes were most likely very light or not real, and over exaggerated coughs and cries.(women could very easily cry at any giving moment, its an act).(i better include this)-I'm referring to females 18 years and over.- Theyre always together day and night, girls are not seperated from girls the way boys are, they always sleep in the same room or bed, theres no fear, no risks, no shame, theres only trust and lust, they both find each other to be pretty, no possible pregnancy and are free as a bird when they F, everyone finds women to be pretty and wants them, no harm, no rapeo, etc, Edited by - doug v on 1/12/2017 9:59:35 AM Edited by - doug v on 1/12/2017 10:10:36 AM Edited by - doug v on 1/12/2017 10:23:23 AM Edited by - doug v on 1/12/2017 10:27:36 AM Edited by - doug v on 1/12/2017 10:34:28 AM Edited by - Edited by - doug v on 1/28/2017 9:32:21 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 2:15PM
In general it is an act but there are a few scenes, prized by some, where the woman's distress is real. Certainly those performers who say Max went beyond accepted limits are another exception (again we have the direct stories of Roxy Jezel and Rebecca Linnares about this, with no apparent motivation for them to lie, especially as both had done rough and even degrading scenes before).
All the role play for me is wasted time and money. I want action, not talk. Make better porn, not cheesier. Better camera work and editing would be a good start. If you actually timed each part of a film, good fucking would get beat out every time by all the other bull. Why doesn't anybody make films where the start is a penis going in and the the rest of the film is the PIV. Just one company? Any?
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