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Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 4:54AM
i know about .5 to 1% that we see is actually natural. so my question is how do these guys get their cocks so big? is it lengthening surgery, and then fat injections or are there other ways that i don't know about?
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Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 9:25AM
I don't think there's any surgical method available for that. It's tout naturel .
I recently saw a "serious" ad for a penis extension pump tagged onto the end of a 10 year-old German VHS porn video. There was this guy who looked like Rudi Völler (the German soccer team trainer) dressed in a white coat and masquerading as a sex therapist explaining the "science" behind it, and this old guy of about 65 with gold chains around his neck and a beer gut, giving an actual demonstration of this thing supposedly "working" on his todger.
The whole thing was so ridiculous, I just laughed my ass off.
How anyone could be taken in by such charlatanry beggars belief - but obviously some people are.
Don't believe a word of it!!!
The Philosopher is right. You've either got it or you ain't!
Some guys just naturally pack the kind of tackle that you'd normally expect to find swinging between the legs of a Kentucky Derby winner. But most of us pack "standard issue". It's just the way of the world!
Searching for blonde and red bush 1985 Posts 10/02
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 4:16PM
No thanks to surgery. A guy with a scalpel is about the last thing I want in the vicinity of my pecker. Actually I don't want any guys at all around my dick with or without surgical instruments.
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Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 5:13PM
yeah, that's the surgery i heard about. i just find it a little odd that guys 10-20 years ago had nothing like the guys today except for a few. now, it's like everybody has 8+ and even 13. i don't see how that could be unless these porn directors missed a ton of schlongs and or we evolved like never before over the last 20 years. i've seen guys in one movie and in the next their dick is 3 inches longer. i heard about a place in Beverly Hills that does it and i was thinking that there are a lot of porn guys that go there, if anywhere. i don't know, it seems like most of you think it can't be done, maybe it can't and i'm totally wrong but there is just too much of a difference in size today than yesterday.
I'm not sure how you determine that, Penis Fracture Victim. How many guys do you know with big dicks? Twenty, fifty, one hundred? Out of a population of how many millions? Just because the absolute number seems large doesn't mean much in terms of percentages.
PFV, there were plenty of porn studs from the past that had pricks at least 8 inches or more, such as Tom Byron, Peter North, Hershel Savage, Ron Jeremy, FM Bradley, and the legendary John Holmes just to name a few. The only reason theres so many big dicks in today's porn is because thats exactly what folks wanna see: massive rock hard pistons jackhammering gorgeous nymphos!
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Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 9:34PM
i read a study a few years back and it was basically to see if any "race" had a lager penis on average than the others. it found that out of whites, blacks, hispanics, and asians, whites actually had a larger penis then blacks and hispanics. it was no more than an 8th of an inch or so but it put to rest the myth of blacks having larger penis' than everyone else.
every other study out there confirms that somewhere between 5.25 and 6 inches is average. now, you have numerous guys with 10-12 inch cocks and some larger. the only problem is the largest "natural" penis ever recorded was 13 inches. why now, are there so many? i never said all were enhanced but i feel the majority in porn are.
Yes, well, I wouldn't put too much faith in such studies. They've been all over the map.What I'm trying to get at is where you get the idea that there are numerous guys with large cocks, percentage wise. Just because most of the guys in porn have big dicks doesn't prove that the same percentage of guys have big dicks in the population at large. Sure, it's possible that some men have had surgery, but I don't find the number of big dicks in porn to be statistically indicative of that, or anything else. If you've got a series of studies proving that the average penis size has grown then trot 'em out. Otherwise, I think it's safer to assume you're looking at a statistical anomaly caused by the porn's demand for large penises.
I'm sure that there are now no more nor no less men per capita with a certain penis size, than there were 30 years ago. Evolution, even assuming that such a large member were some kind of biological advantage (and I doubt that) can't possibly work in such a fantastically short period of time. Now, take an inventory of penis sizes 10,000 years from now (or look at historical documents, although I doubt that any kind of sufficient case studies would be available from so long ago in a scientifically defensible format) and you might be able to tell something.
The only two factors that might make them more "prevalent" are that more people want to see it, so more largely endowed men are drawn to the movie screen in modern times than in the past - and that our population has simply increased. Of course that would also mean that there are (percentage wise) that many more men with small penises too. Then again, you'll never see any of those men in a movie...
Male performers have always been hired partly because of the size of their dicks; as Asmodeus has stated, there have always been lots of well-endowed male performers in the porn business. If you think you see more today, there may be 2 reasons for it: FIRST, the business is much bigger today, and more international, so the male talent pool is much larger, and far more male performers are working; and SECOND, in the earlier eras of hardcore, guys had to play characters, follow blocking, have screen presence, do dialogue, etc. Guys like Tony Perez, Peter Andrews, Dick Rambone, David Cannon, etc. were pretty shitty at all of that stuff, so they didn't get much feature work, despite their wonder worms. In today's gonzo, wall-to-wall, all sex video, who cares? Guys who would have been impossible to work with 20 years ago are big (so to speak) stars today.
Also, PFV, you may be overestimating the size of some of these guys. 10+ inch dicks are very rare, in life and in porn, and I can only think of about 4-5 guys in the business today who meet those dimensions. Remember, John Holmes went around throughout his career telling everyone he had a 13 inch penis. In fact, he was just about 10 inches at peek arousal. And yet, nobody questioned this myth, presumably because if you're that large, what's another 3 inches? Most bigger-than-average guys find that female (or male, if they're gay) partners overestimate their size, if casually asked. If you're smart, you just nod sheepishly, and keep your mouth shut.
And if you think some of these male performers have enhanced their original size--you may be right. There is a growing market now for books, videos, and online info about non-surgical ways to increase the length and girth of your rod. Most involve long (4 months to 2 years) and arduous manual stretching, squeezing, and weight hanging exercises. I have no idea if these techniques are effective of not, but there seems to be a fair number of guys who say they are, assuming it is worth your while to spend 2 hours or more a day torturing your noodle for more size. I would think there are more constructive avenues for self-improvement. But if you are a porn star, maybe not!
There is one other possible reason for the apparent increase in penis size amongst today's porn stars , viagra . It would seem that one of the key requirements for male talent would be to get wood on command . Back in the old days many larger guys may have failed on this criteria but with todays pharmaceutical aids everyone's a winner !
As for artificially enlarging their wieners . I'm not sure that stretching exercises will have any effect . Of course this didn't stop my best mate at school from stretch his willy around the bars of our wire-mesh gym lockers while getting changed ! Surgery would seem to be the only effective method and I wonder what the results would look like . Both Erik Everhard and Jules Jordan ( both circumcised ) have a strange raw pink region just beneath the head of their penises . Is this a result of a botched circumcision , too much fucking or a surgical lengthening ?
The viagra theory may well enter into it. In the 'old days' I had seen porn with huge guys who never got fully hard. One guy I saw never got hard enough to fuck, just almost hard with two girls sucking him, and a truly freakish size -- I was sure he'd pass out if all the blood necessary rushed to his dick.
Not necessarily. Like everything else, the angle varies from person to person (and might naturally be lower in a guy with more weight to carry), and as men grow older, the angle also becomes more straight-out than straight-up.
The point about viagra is very true; it won't make your dick bigger, but it will make your dick as big and hard is it is capable of being, all the time. I'm sure it is a positive factor in the appearance of many current male performers.
As far as the pink tissue you have noticed, Lee-O, I would say it is more consistent with weight-hanging than surgery. I remember reading a thread on-line where someone accused Lex Steele of this manual penis-enlargement practice, pointing out the unusual scarring on and just below the head of his dick. Apparently this is the area of the penis where weight hanging devices produce pressure, and in uncircumcised men, scar tissue. Perhaps other forum readers familiar with penis enlargement can elaborate?
You like attractive stunning women in porn? I thought so. It may not surprise you that years ago porn viewers also liked stunning women in porn. Why then do we get hundreds and hundreds of new gorgeous porn girlies every year as compared to a smaller number of often more 'visually challenging' women years ago? Think back my friend; fish out your old pornos from the back of your cupboard: when you're ready agree with me that the standard of pussy has come on in leaps and bounds.
Ready? What is important is that these women have not all had facial surgery to appear better looking than their 60s-70s counterparts! We have better looking girls because we are selecting from thousands, maybe tens of thousands, maybe hundreads of thousands worldwide who are prepared to do the job and have the means with which to connect with the industry. This was not the case all those years ago so the girls were drawn from a much smaller pool. Can it really be such a stretch to see the same thing in the male sphere? Were my father to have had a 12" penis he would not have wished to enter porn and would not have had a clue about how to do so even if he had. For my generation things are so much different. Believe me, if my love truncheon were a foot in length, you'd all fucking know about it .
Such enhancement is rare, and medically questionable due to numerous side effects that (sooner or later) most often effect appearance or function. I seriously doubt that any male performer has had any enhancements - given the amount of use that they make of their equipment, touching it in such a way would be the last thing that they'd do (and any side effects would become immediately noticeable). Even if successful, enhancements wouldn't nearly make up for the size increase that you're ascribing to them.
What is so unbelievable about accepting that these people are just so naturally endowed? It's not common - but that's the portion of the population from which the performers are taken.
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Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 3:45AM
of course i do, when did i say otherwise?
not really, that's why i asked the question.
yes it has.
exactly!!! why was the pool smaller? women wanted to get fucked in the ass back then as much as today. was it society? finances? it wasn't because people didn't want to bang.
pretty much...hot ass women are easier to come by than 10 inch cocks. the statistics don't lie. beauty is an opinion so to speak, penis size, however, is measurable. i know what you're getting at though.
so what you're saying is that there is more opportunity and so more chances to come across big cocks? i know this but i still don't believe they are all natural. i know almost all of you do but i don't and that's why i asked if any of you knew of enhancing methods.
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Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 3:54AM
so you have heard of the procedure too? i know it's out there and that's my point. these guys could have had surgery.
i don't want to argue because some of you seem to be leaning towards it. my whole reasoning, as i said before, was to see if anyone heard of this procedure and if you thought any porn guys have had it done?
I am aware of the procedures, and it is my semi-educated guess that penis enhancement surgery has had little or no significant impact on the adult industry. The desired results are too impermanent and too uncertain. I can't imagine that many active male performers would take that kind of risk with their moneymaking tool. The situation with breast "enhancements" is different, though. The risks are arguably less traumatic, and even if the results are less than optimal, it seems that bigger boobs are pretty much a guarantee of more money on the dance circuit.
A few years ago when the shoot-fat-in-your-cock thing was new, there were a bunch of new cocks on the scene sporting shafts that were suspiciously thick as compared to their glans. They also had a strange lumpiness to them that was not disimilar to cottage cheese thigh (oooo, sexy!). Quite odd seeing a guy with inch and a half in diameter glans mounted on a lumpy 2 inch thick shaft. Thankfully it doesn't seem common any more.
I agree that PFV is overestimating the avg size. PFV, you must measure hand/palm size: Considering that adult palms are probably 2.5 to 4 inches (women's palms being closer to 2.5), you can easily measure a porn star's cock. If Ariana Jolie can engulf a cock with both hands, you can guesstimate that the cock is around 5-6 inches. It's just like movie star's heights...everyone thinks they're taller than they are.
Damn, I must be hung like Lex Steele, then. They say the camera adds an inch. Ya'll better back away from the monitor before I whip this out...
.......SPROING!!!
YEAH, BABY!! Mmmmmm-hmmmmmmm....that's fucking HUGE! You should see this monster.
Reminds me of a girlfriend I had in high school; she was a tiny little half-Japanese waif of a girl with these delicate, tiny hands. She could wrap both of them around the shaft and only cover half of it. I felt like ZEUS INCARNATE! A veritable Lord of Lust! (Oh, sorry, Asmo)
So, if you want a bigger cock, I say get a smaller girlfriend. Thanks for reminding me, Sue!
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Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 12:34AM
i'm not overestimating anything, i'm just going by the size they are given. some guys say they are 9-12. i'm not sitting there measuring but i'll believe what they say, especially if the cock is longer than the chicks face. i know the average size is around 5.25 and 6, i've already said that.
Hey PFV, those dudes aren't telling the full truth. They may be 10 inches from the perineum to the tip, but judging by the amount of penises that can be engulfed by 2 female hands, super-length isn't as prevalent as you make it out to be. Also, I have a particularly big, Julia-Roberts-sized head, and I'm only 8 inches from chin to my forehead. It's all illusion, PFV. From where does one measure, the topside or the underside?
Hey, that's pretty cool; I'd never measured my face before. It's only 7.25 inches from hairline to tip of chin. The broadest part of the back of my hand (excluding thumb) is 2.75 inches.
Once again, if you are measuring your cock, starting from the center of the anus, going up the underside, and then if it's under 8", going over the top and down the other side for a few inches is not the correct method.
Stand up to measure an erect dick along the top side, with the ruler pressed to the skin in the area of the pelvic bone (make sure there isn't a quarter inch or so of unmarked ruler or use a metal tape measure). Place a straight edge out from the tip of the head (the way you put one on your head when marking your height against a wall), and measure to the straight edge. I am certain that some porn dudes are measuring wrong or just exaggerating. Of course!
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Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 11:08AM
lindi, probably why Lexington is touted from 11" to 14", depending on the site.
Thanks Lindi I can get the supper with a smile now . On the occasion a few years back when I did measure the beast , for some stupid reason , I'd forgotten that the ruler didn't begin at the end !
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Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 9:20PM
i'm sure they're not but it's prevalent in porn. and it's not what i'm "making it out to be," i'm just reporting what is being touted. what do you think is the average size in porn, not society but porn?