When Did Max Hardcore Get Out? (page 3)

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Babylonblack Member 29 Posts 2/11	Posted - Mar 3 2011 : 10:49AM veronica moser wrote: OK, I'll provide a precis… My reading of Mike adriano's films: men and women enjoy a number of varieties of anal sex. a man most likely to be considered attractive by many women, and multiple women that I admire have nasty sex. me and other dudes cum buckets. Click to expand The french guy Mike may be a nice pleasant person to work with but I have serious doubts that the women enjoy being fucked in the ass by him. Porn is not real and they are paid to pretend to enjoy the scenes. None of that shit is real and his soft spoken kind words offered before the scenes does not change what may be one of the most painful experinces those women have in their lives. Now saying that I do not think he is trying cause undo harm on them. I think he is just doing his job. I think you are right about him being very different than Max on this point. Click to expand my admittedly incomplete but reasonably informed understanding of Mr Little's films: a woman's pleasure is irrelevant; in fact pronounced discomfort on the woman's part would be preferred. Furthermore, what matters is that the representation of female humiliation via brutal treatment by a man. did I get that right? if not, lemme know. seriously. Click to expand Max Hardcore came on the scene being a great performer. The Anal Adventures Series was great but he started to change his style more and more. Max did not really show the world that he liked to hurt women until later in his career. Max's themes were always centered around taking advantage of a Underage woman. Misleading her into having sex. Those were his main themes. Then he stared to add pain and torture to the films. Once he got his Website. He started to piss on his women and slap their faces. He was trying hurt them on purpose. He bragged about how he sent one of them to the hospital for anal bleeding. His movies were mostly about inflicting pain on his women. Now these desires did not come out until he had the freedom to put up his own site and make his own movies. By the way Max went to jail for torturing women. Max had all this consent forms in order but the Judge told Max from the bench that you can not consent to torture. [Link]
David Cop-a-feel Deactivated User Trust me, honey, it gets better 323 Posts 10/10	Posted - Mar 3 2011 : 4:52PM elgringoviejo58 wrote: Or perhaps he wanted to put on a REALLY convincing performance that there is nothing fake about a Max Hardcore production in the interest of selling more product? Click to expand It's difficult to describe the segment in question. Perhaps you'd have to see it to understand the context.He actually comes across as rather simple-minded. Either way, what is at issue is not whether it's an act or not. That has already been decided by the women who complained and the judge who sentenced him. [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Mar 3 2011 : 6:46PM One thing Max did invent was the concept of using his fingers to push the girl's rectum out her pussy! [Link]
RiveGauche1999 Member 472 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 3 2011 : 10:17PM I have yet to see one of his videos, i tried to see if any were posted on various free sites w/no luck. I want to see what all the fuss is/has been about. . . [Link]

Babylonblack Member 29 Posts 2/11	Posted - Mar 3 2011 : 11:33PM RiveGauche1999 wrote: I have yet to see one of his videos, i tried to see if any were posted on various free sites w/no luck. I want to see what all the fuss is/has been about. . . Click to expand You can find many of Max movies on many of the VOD sites. Gamelink, Maxhardcorevod.com, ect. I used to own his entire Anal Adventers Series but it got stolen by some burglar. I have yet to this day been unable to find them for sale. It was some great stuff even by todays standards. He was more of a reagular guy back then. I use to be a member on his website and in the forum the guys would beg him to piss more on the women. He really won over the piss crowd. I never understood what was enjoyable about pissing on a woman. I remember Max said that he was going to do a scene with a T-Girl that had came into contact. He posted on his Website that he had shot the scene but wanted to know how the members felt about it. I never saw it posted on his site and I was a member for a short time. Max was moving towards doing T-girls too. I guess the guy just decided that pissing on T-girls and inflicting pain on them would get him even more members. That is why I am sure Max was engaging in Prison Sex while he was locked up. I bet he may return as unnamed gay performer doing gang bangs and getting blowjobs. [Link]
davebowman Member 294 Posts 6/09	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 4:45AM Max didn't go to jail for 'torturing women'. None of the girls he performed with accused him of rape and torture and took him to trial. If they had it would have been an entirely different matter. Max went to jail for distributing materials through the post and internet which a judge deemed 'obscene'. That's it. He wasn't convicted of rape, assualt, sexual assult or torture - if he was I'd be quite happy for people to call him a scumbag who deserved what he got - he was convicted because a judge thinks you shouldn't be allowed to watch his films. And quite frankly - was Max really THAT bad? Yes, it was often gruelling, rough sex - and obviously the piss and puke aspect is something that grosses some people out (ditto the 'creepy old man/young girl' roleplay) - but it wasn't as though Max was beating girls up - a few mild slaps to the face here and there - and that's pretty much the norm in most hardcore now - hell, he didn't even used to choke girls out, which I still see regularly in other productions. Surely there's a hell of a lot of S&M stuff out there (including stuff that women do to men) that's a lot worse than what Max ever did... [Link]
elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 6:46AM Max was sentenced to prison under Federal obscenity charges, and in the Federal criminal justice system there are certain quantifications compiled by the prosecution and submitted before the judge that indicate the amount of incarceration being demanded by the Government. The sentencing judge imposed less than the maximum under those guidelines. I have always believed that actions speak louder than words. How bad of a torturer of women could the female judge perceived Max to be if she imposed less than the maximum sentence? [Link]
veronica moser Member NYC 208 Posts 9/06	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 8:47AM another monster post: I have tried to write very clearly and thoughtfully here… @babylonblack, @elgringrovewhuevah, @realtip this would seem to be an involved, reasoned discussion enough so that somebody should be able to provide evidence re: your points w/r/t Little's prosecution and sentencing, insofar as that is possible using the komputah, where of course misinformation and lies flourish…and if someone was to say "go find it for yourself, dude" my preemptive response would be a.) I'm not the one making any claims, and b.) each of one of you seem to be privy to info that suggests that one or all of you might be involved in the business…I'm just a lowly fanboy… @babylonblack your point re: authentic female pleasure in Adriano's films: I'm willing to grant that, like many lowly fanboys, my assumption that gals are really truly digging getting their assholes worked over in the manner that adriano enacts may very well be naive and self-serving. I don't know these women, who are after all sex workers, who are paid to behave in a manner pleasing to men with hard dicks, whether said men are balls-deep in em or thousands of miles and 6 months removed from them. I want to believe, so I do, and this is something pornography as well multiple other manifestation of human affairs revolves around. However: I have little doubt that each of the five women I've had anal sex with had the time of their lives. That little doubt simply revolves around the lamentable fact that many women do many things in order to establish their self-worth w/r/t to a man (or, in the case of sex workers, making a buck) as opposed to mutually experiencing pleasure. It's more likely that (and again, I'm willing to grant that any of my beliefs along these lines may be wishful thinking) some women can experience pleasure via nerve endings in their assholes, which, after all, are mighty close to the nerve endings in their pussies. I've never had a dick in my asshole, but i do know, and I think any honest man would admit, that taking a shit is very often satisfying. It seems fundamental that the taboo against ass-fucking in western culture originates more from cultural dictates that a dick goes inside of woman purely for the purposes of reproduction. when we can move away from that dictate, and sex can be enacted for pleasure with pieholes and buttholes as well as the hole that evolution has designated for the creation and incubation of mammalian life, then let's go for it! Now, babylonblack, if your point is merely that the practice of distending and prolapsing a woman's colon via extended probing with a speculum results in physical trauma, then I'm on board with you. this is not hot to me, only fascinating. Like I said up-thread, it looks like they are shitting their brains out. (i will add that I wish adriano would mix it up and try reverse cowgirl, other positions, etc) Finally, I don't know these women, and have nothing other than my preferences as a dude that likes porno with ass-fucking, ATM and above all A2oGM a whole lot to go on, other than close examination of human behavior and my own education re: the history of life on this planet. You suggest that you might know things about the industry that I don't, and if that is true, I bow to your insight. But it does not strain credulity that you can do things for $$$ and enjoy doing those things. Thousands upon thousands of musicians who have made my life better over my lifetime do what they do because they're good, or incandescently great, at what they do, know they're good, like doing it, and they make $$$ off all this. I am more than willing to extend that idea to women who I admire in fukk flicks. Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods were genetically predisposed to excel at what they do, just as genetics predisposed that hot gals like Ashli Orion, Jennifer White, Capri Anderson, Lily Labeau, Kacey Jordan and Amy Brooke would have a clear way to pursue the power of their allure, if they so chose (CAVEATS: Woods had the decision that would define his life made for him, and the bar for porno chicks is, i admit, lower than for elite athlete). But they pursued what they wanted to, and excelled, in my view. Now again, you may say this is wishful thinking on my part, and I'll grant you that I can't be sure it isn't. If I'm wrong, then all porn = Max Hardcore, and all the people who hate pornography and wish to tar it as a crime or much worse have got us, the performers, distributors and consumers, dead to rights. If I'm right, then it would validate that in fact pornography is honorable. what I want is authentic pleasure exchanged between women (and to an extent far far less interesting to me) and men. I feel like i see this regularly. Am I a chump? your move. [Link]
elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 8:58AM This old gringo is so old that he lacks the skillz to meet your otherwise reasonable request (no emoticon exists to show me hanging my head in shame). I am so bad that I use an iMac. VDTs also cause eyestrain to already half blind old guys like me, so I usually just post off the top of my head. [Link]
Stalag Deactivated User 476 Posts 1/10	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 9:10AM davebowman wrote: Max didn't go to jail for 'torturing women'. None of the girls he performed with accused him of rape and torture and took him to trial. If they had it would have been an entirely different matter. Max went to jail for distributing materials through the post and internet which a judge deemed 'obscene'. That's it. He wasn't convicted of rape, assualt, sexual assult or torture - if he was I'd be quite happy for people to call him a scumbag who deserved what he got - he was convicted because a judge thinks you shouldn't be allowed to watch his films. And quite frankly - was Max really THAT bad? Yes, it was often gruelling, rough sex - and obviously the piss and puke aspect is something that grosses some people out (ditto the 'creepy old man/young girl' roleplay) - but it wasn't as though Max was beating girls up - a few mild slaps to the face here and there - and that's pretty much the norm in most hardcore now - hell, he didn't even used to choke girls out, which I still see regularly in other productions. Surely there's a hell of a lot of S&M stuff out there (including stuff that women do to men) that's a lot worse than what Max ever did... Click to expand Max was a comic. The girls were filing their nails. It was porn. [Link]
veronica moser Member NYC 208 Posts 9/06	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 9:29AM x-post me: "all the people who hate pornography and wish to tar it as a crime or much worse have got us, the performers, distributors and consumers, dead to rights." probly some folks reading these words might say "goddamn right they've got us dead to rights. porn is degrading ipso facto, that's why it's good, that's why guys like it, and its legal, so the detractors can go jump in the lake." My own beliefs about porn are clearly not so pessimistic and Hobbesian, and are premised on my experiences re: human nature, the often explosive differences/politics between men and women. I get along with women, and when not in a relationship with one as I currently am, get to experience mutually fulfilling, nasty fun every once in a while. or so I believe… [Link]
Babylonblack Member 29 Posts 2/11	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 2:02PM veronica moser wrote: @babylonblack your point re: authentic female pleasure in Adriano's films: I'm willing to grant that, like many lowly fanboys, my assumption that gals are really truly digging getting their assholes worked over in the manner that adriano enacts may very well be naive and self-serving. I don't know these women, who are after all sex workers, who are paid to behave in a manner pleasing to men with hard dicks, whether said men are balls-deep in em or thousands of miles and 6 months removed from them. I want to believe, so I do, and this is something pornography as well multiple other manifestation of human affairs revolves around. However: I have little doubt that each of the five women I've had anal sex with had the time of their lives. That little doubt simply revolves around the lamentable fact that many women do many things in order to establish their self-worth w/r/t to a man (or, in the case of sex workers, making a buck) as opposed to mutually experiencing pleasure. Click to expand One of the reasons guys like Mike and Tom Byron and other get paid is they have a skill set above and beyond the typical joe sixpack. The same can be said for the women that get booked to do movies. The bottom line is they invest money into making a movie and then resell it to flip their investment. Really no different than someone in real estate. I have talked to porn stars and they all tell me that they do it for the money not because of some needed pleasure which for the most part they can get off camera. You should stand up and scream bravo the next time you see a porn film and become so excited by it that you really think the woman is enjoying being fucked into a coma. In my own private life I get complaints after having sex in one position for longer than 5 minutes. You said you fucked a few assholes and the women enjoyed it. You may be right but that was a personal private relationship with someone you knew not a porn set with some woman getting paid to have sex. That is like hiring a excort to come to your home and fuck you and then thinking that she enjoyed it. I mean she is doing that shit for money not for sex. [Link]
Babylonblack Member 29 Posts 2/11	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 2:13PM veronica moser wrote: Now, babylonblack, if your point is merely that the practice of distending and prolapsing a woman's colon via extended probing with a speculum results in physical trauma, then I'm on board with you. this is not hot to me, only fascinating. Like I said up-thread, it looks like they are shitting their brains out. (i will add that I wish adriano would mix it up and try reverse cowgirl, other positions, etc) Click to expand I happen to like prolasped colons. Mila used to be a big favorite of mine. This is something I have come to enjoy after years of watching porn. Click to expand Finally, I don't know these women, and have nothing other than my preferences as a dude that likes porno with ass-fucking, ATM and above all A2oGM a whole lot to go on, other than close examination of human behavior and my own education re: the history of life on this planet. You suggest that you might know things about the industry that I don't, and if that is true, I bow to your insight. But it does not strain credulity that you can do things for $$$ and enjoy doing those things. Thousands upon thousands of musicians who have made my life better over my lifetime do what they do because they're good, or incandescently great, at what they do, know they're good, like doing it, and they make $$$ off all this. Click to expand Your comparisons are terrible. A woman gettting fucked up her ass is not the same as a guy playing basketball or singing. Look, All porn is fake but they want to convey a message that it is not and everything that happens is real. Now to be honest I do think some of the women enjoy what they do but you can tell some do not. They just do it for the money. I am more than willing to extend that idea to women who I admire in fukk flicks. Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods were genetically predisposed to excel at what they do, just as genetics predisposed that hot gals like Ashli Orion, Jennifer White, Capri Anderson, Lily Labeau, Kacey Jordan and Amy Brooke would have a clear way to pursue the power of their allure, if they so chose (CAVEATS: Woods had the decision that would define his life made for him, and the bar for porno chicks is, i admit, lower than for elite athlete). But they pursued what they wanted to, and excelled, in my view. Now again, you may say this is wishful thinking on my part, and I'll grant you that I can't be sure it isn't. If I'm wrong, then all porn = Max Hardcore, and all the people who hate pornography and wish to tar it as a crime or much worse have got us, the performers, distributors and consumers, dead to rights. If I'm right, then it would validate that in fact pornography is honorable. what I want is authentic pleasure exchanged between women (and to an extent far far less interesting to me) and men. I feel like i see this regularly. Click to expand It makes for a better viewing if you think all of that stuff is real. So keep thinking it is all real and they enjoy it. Click to expand You may be Am I a chump? your move. Click to expand [Link]
veronica moser Member NYC 208 Posts 9/06	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 3:43PM thank you for your candid response, dude. yet, I don't see that you offered any insight vis-a-vis having access to people who participate in the production. apart from the nebulous statement that you've spoken to porn chicks, you seem to otherwise go by your intuition. Your comments suggested that you knew something re: the biz. but I guess you're another lone masturbator, like me. I reckon that the likes of eric everhard and Kurt Lockwood also have a stake in promoting verisimilitude in fuck flikks, but they have both said that there are pros (someone who can fake it convincingly) throws (someone who can't even do that), and hoes (natural born pleasure giver and receivers). Edited by - veronica moser on 3/4/2011 3:54:18 PM [Link]

Babylonblack Member 29 Posts 2/11	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 10:05PM veronica moser wrote: thank you for your candid response, dude. yet, I don't see that you offered any insight vis-a-vis having access to people who participate in the production. apart from the nebulous statement that you've spoken to porn chicks, you seem to otherwise go by your intuition. Your comments suggested that you knew something re: the biz. but I guess you're another lone masturbator, like me. Click to expand I know quite about bit about the Adult Entertainment industry. You can conclude anything you want from my comments but I understand clearly that those people are paid to do a job no matter what you may think. Many of those people do not even like each other at all. You may see one of the women getting her asshole gaped by a guy but that same female will not have a drink off set with that guy because she does not like him on a personal level. I know of this happening on a regular basis. You are a consumer so you think what you see on film is real to some extent....Women enjoying the fucking or the sex but most of it is not. They do enjoy it more than say digging a ditch but it is still work. Many of the women have other relationships and very quickly they learn to have meaningless sex for money and then cut on the emotions when their lover has sex with them. You see that on both sides of the coin. Click to expand I reckon that the likes of eric everhard and Kurt Lockwood also have a stake in promoting verisimilitude in fuck flikks, but they have both said that there are pros (someone who can fake it convincingly) throws (someone who can't even do that), and hoes (natural born pleasure giver and receivers). Click to expand That is not to say that you can not find a Stupid chick that does fuck these guys for pleasure and would do the porn for free. I can bet you that those women are used up very quickly by the industry and within a week may be fucking dogs if they do not have anyone stop the industry from taking advantage of them. Edited by - veronica moser on 3/4/2011 3:54:18 PM Click to expand [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 4 2011 : 11:30PM Babylonblack - You really need to work on your quoting. The way you're doing it is extremely confusing. [Link]
bmnot Member I love interactive movies. 114 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 2:42AM davebowman wrote: Max didn't go to jail for 'torturing women'. None of the girls he performed with accused him of rape and torture and took him to trial. If they had it would have been an entirely different matter. Max went to jail for distributing materials through the post and internet which a judge deemed 'obscene'. That's it. He wasn't convicted of rape, assualt, sexual assult or torture - if he was I'd be quite happy for people to call him a scumbag who deserved what he got - he was convicted because a judge thinks you shouldn't be allowed to watch his films. And quite frankly - was Max really THAT bad? Yes, it was often gruelling, rough sex - and obviously the piss and puke aspect is something that grosses some people out (ditto the 'creepy old man/young girl' roleplay) - but it wasn't as though Max was beating girls up - a few mild slaps to the face here and there - and that's pretty much the norm in most hardcore now - hell, he didn't even used to choke girls out, which I still see regularly in other productions. Surely there's a hell of a lot of S&M stuff out there (including stuff that women do to men) that's a lot worse than what Max ever did... Click to expand You are right, but they got some-porno chick on Youtube who did a Max film saying he raped her. [Link]
bmnot Member I love interactive movies. 114 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 2:43AM BananaJoe wrote: Babylonblack wrote: He started the shaved bald pussies. Click to expand So, it was him that did! Put him back to jail, please :p Click to expand I wish I could get people jailed just because I don't like them LMAO [Link]
bmnot Member I love interactive movies. 114 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 2:47AM Babylonblack wrote: Max was moving towards doing T-girls too. I guess the guy just decided that pissing on T-girls and inflicting pain on them would get him even more members. That is why I am sure Max was engaging in Prison Sex while he was locked up. I bet he may return as unnamed gay performer doing gang bangs and getting blowjobs. Click to expand wait..Gay is a choice??? I thought it was inborn :-\ [Link]
angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 2:57AM bit out of the loop in regards to this issue why was he in jail and what does everyone hate him? i have only seen one scene with him and didnt like it, from memory he was older and quite unattractive with a hot chick..i kept thinking why the hell would she go with him>??? also i think he wore a cowboy hat,...anyway whenever i have seen anything with him in it i have chose not to watch it.. but didnt realise he was this hated From some comments i am guessing he is disrespectful to the women? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 2:58AM He was jailed under the US's absurd obscenity laws. He is hated by many either because A) He makes shitty porn and/or B) There are many stories of him mistreating performers. [Link]
bmnot Member I love interactive movies. 114 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 25 2011 : 3:25AM BlackSix wrote: He was jailed under the US's absurd obscenity laws. He is hated by many either because A) He makes shitty porn and/or B) There are many stories of him mistreating performers. Click to expand A) is relative,he made a lot of movies for along time so someone must have liked them B) America is full of a-holes, from the employee who has to take crap from customers and management, to the troops who like killing foreigners and collecting trophies and the bankers and wall-streeters causing old people to lose their pension and bankrupting countries etc etc Max is just another self-centered,opportunistic American like most in this country.I notice most people don't seem to have the same rage towards women who use and abuse men.. Edited by - bmnot on 3/25/2011 3:27:36 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 1:17AM A) No shit. B) Whatever. [Link]
davebowman Member 294 Posts 6/09	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 3:24AM angryassdrummer wrote: ...from memory he was older and quite unattractive with a hot chick..i kept thinking why the hell would she go with him>??? Click to expand This may come as a suprise, but for the same reason porn actresses work with everyone else: money. ;) [Link]

angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 3:58AM i realise that, but even so they still have standards. Many will not work with older or unattractive men. For example many many women refuse to work with ron jeremy. For me, watching a scene where a guy like max fucks someone gorgeous is not a turn on. I just dont want to see someone young and sexy sucking someone as repulsive as max or ron or any other old dude. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 5:49AM angryassdrummer wrote: I just dont want to see someone young and sexy sucking someone as repulsive as max or ron or any other old dude. Click to expand Old dudes aren't necessarily repulsive to everyone. I think it's sometimes hot if the old guy can still perform well. Some girls are into them as well. The story with Max is a lot more complicated than him just being an old dude who doesn't appeal to everyone. [Link]
freakdude28 Member 145 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 11:12AM I don't really know much about this, so I did a quick google search. I found this on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore It says that the girls stated the were 12 years old. Isn't that illegal? And if so, did they really say that? [Link]
davebowman Member 294 Posts 6/09	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 2:35PM freakdude28 wrote: I don't really know much about this, so I did a quick google search. I found this on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore It says that the girls stated the were 12 years old. Isn't that illegal? And if so, did they really say that? Click to expand All Max's films clearly state at the beginning that the girls are 18+ but yes - Max often gets the girls to pretend they are younger. Sometimes the later films edit/fudge the dialogue on these moments. Other times Max doesn't outright get them to say they are under 18, but asks them some leading question like "what's 7+7?" or asks them to count down from 21 as he's fucking them in the ass. Ditto when they say they are 18 he often asks if the girls have a younger sister. It's basically the usual 'barely legal' schoolgirl roleplay stuff, and you'd have to be certifiably insane to believe the girls were really underage - but as ever with Max he takes it further than anyone else dares. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 6:57PM freakdude28 wrote: I don't really know much about this, so I did a quick google search. I found this on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore It says that the girls stated the were 12 years old. Isn't that illegal? And if so, did they really say that? Click to expand Despite the fact that I seem to be Max's biggest defender around here, I honestly haven't seen most of his movies. I think I've probably only seen about maybe a dozen or so of all the movies he's produced, and the ones I saw were only because they starred girls who I really wanted to see. In the movies I've seen, I don't recall ever hearing a girl say that she was underage. Sure, there was a lot there to hint at the underage theme (e.g., style of dress, the way the girls talked, certain lines of dialogue that may have implicitly alluded to it, etc.), which are the same things you'll find in most other teen-themed movies. But as for having a girl come right out and explicitly say she's underage, I never saw that in the movies I watched. I've read reviews which stated that it has happened in other movies that I didn't see. So yeah, even though I never actually saw it happen, he has reportedly had girls say it in his movies. To answer your question on the legality of it, the Wikipedia article you cited already answers that. The answer is No, it's not illegal. The Wikipedia article mentions the child pornography case against Max Hardcore which fell apart because the Supreme Court ruled that it is not illegal for adults to portray minors in fictional entertainment media, including pornography. It is only child pornography if the actual performer is underage, not the character he/she is portraying. In other words, a porn flick can show an adult woman dressed like a 1st-grader playing with Barbie dolls and saying that she's only 6 years-old. As long as the actress playing her is of legal age, it is 100% legal. Would it be politically incorrect? Yes. Would it be a great way to get people to hate you and call you of a pedophile? Yes. Would it be illegal? No. This is exactly why the Feds had to subsequently go after him for obscenity. Unlike the other charges, the Feds don't actually have to prove obscenity, as it can't be proven anyway since it's legally undefined. In an obscenity case, all they have to do is find enough people who don't like what they're made to watch in a courtroom, and you have a conviction. The law doesn't even require an explanation as to what exactly makes the content obscene. Is it obscene because it has naked girls in it? Is it obscene because it shows sex? Is it obscene because it has a naked man wearing a funny cowboy hat? Who knows? They don't have to give a reason. This is why obscenity laws are stupid, outdated, and unnecessary. davebowman wrote: It's basically the usual 'barely legal' schoolgirl roleplay stuff, and you'd have to be certifiably insane to believe the girls were really underage - but as ever with Max he takes it further than anyone else dares. Click to expand This is exactly what made him so popular, and so missed in the industry. [Link]
Asmodeus Lord of Lust az-mo-day-us 6338 Posts 10/01	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 7:38PM Max had Jade Marcella say she was 12 years old in one of their scenes. Of course she was over 18 at the time but clearly Max was going for a pedophilic fantasy as was his nature in the majority of his work. [Link]
freakdude28 Member 145 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 9:40PM Thanks for clarifying realtip. I guess maybe I had assumed that that was illegal because in the warnings at the beginning of alot of porn it says that the actresses AND the characters they portray are 18 or above. As for the obscenity charges, I agree. And I think its a ridiculous and outdated law. [Link]
dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09	Posted - Apr 26 2011 : 12:36AM From an address I got from the AVN website, I wrote a letter to Max, while he was in prison in Texas. I hope my letter cheered him up. I thanked him, for fighting to protect my freedoms. [Link]
BryanKleist Member 11 Posts 11/10	Posted - May 25 2011 : 4:14AM I think what happened to Max Hardcore was, from a legal standpoint, complete and utter BULLSHIT. Having said that, boy, it really couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. The guy is a human anal wart. Guy fucking RUINED porn. I honestly can't watch any smut made after 1996 because of that scumbag. I hope he got a cell with the Tossed Salad Man. [Link]
Karloff Deactivated User 319 Posts 7/10	Posted - May 30 2011 : 6:22AM Max needs to distribute a soft core series. [Link]

davebowman Member 294 Posts 6/09	Posted - May 30 2011 : 10:50AM Compared to the uncut Euro versions Max's US releases practically were softcore! ;) [Link]
Go2TheMax Member 78 Posts 1/06	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 4:48AM Hey all, I read this long talk about Max. I would just like to remind that Max is not selling one or two DVD but way more. He got fans following him since long, buying his movies on legal web sites. So if he is that much Evil, there are plenty of people to send to jail too. And I say openly: yes i watch Max movies, and yes I enjoy it. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 6:40AM ^ Your avatar violates the image policy. Please change it immediately. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 7:53AM Go2theMax, that point, although hardly legitimizing (there's a market for CP too after all), has already been made. If this thread is going to be revived the better question is where is Max? Is he still in the half-way house? Is he waiting until his parole or whatever is over before starting to shoot again or has he decided to retire? Not a peep about him anywhere on the web, including XPT. [Link]
bukkake79 Member 129 Posts 6/11	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 1:19PM I was never a big fan of Max Hardcore at all. I just saw this dirty old man treat girls terribly. It wasn't kinky, it wasn't sexy. I felt that his scenes were altogether quite creepy. [Link]
Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 2:20PM If you have an interest in Max Hardcore I suggest you read the writeup at Wikipedia, I found it interesting. What was going on was an obvious Witch Hunt and obviously a number of people with political power were targeting him. If someone has you on their hit list it is difficult to fight the government. I always found the girls he would recruit to be very attractive and on the petite side and so I would view his material despite not caring for the rough stuff. I wish the guy well. Max Hardcore Story on Wikipedia [Link]
bukkake79 Member 129 Posts 6/11	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 2:29PM Peoples Temple wrote: If you have an interest in Max Hardcore I suggest you read the writeup at Wikipedia, I found it interesting. What was going on was an obvious Witch Hunt and obviously a number of people with political power were targeting him. If someone has you on their hit list it is difficult to fight the government. I always found the girls he would recruit to be very attractive and on the petite side and so I would view his material despite not caring for the rough stuff. I wish the guy well. Max Hardcore Story on Wikipedia Click to expand Sure, I'm just saying that his stuff wasn't to my taste, that's all. But he's not to alot of people's taste. Maybe that's why he's a target for the government, it's political. But I'm not saying his material was "harmful" in any way. I just thought that it wasn't very sexy. But each to their own! [Link]
Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11	Posted - Jun 21 2011 : 4:19PM bukkake79 wrote: Click to expand Sure, I'm just saying that his stuff wasn't to my taste, that's all. But he's not to alot of people's taste. Maybe that's why he's a target for the government, it's political. But I'm not saying his material was "harmful" in any way. I just thought that it wasn't very sexy. But each to their own! Click to expand I hear you. What I don't understand is why anyone is offended by his material. It isn't like you are being forced to watch the stuff. I have zero interest in Gay Porn but I don't object to the material being produced and available for those who wish to view it. It isn't like the girls were forced to work with Max Hardcore, they were willing participants. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 22 2011 : 1:31AM I suggest this thread be put into deep freeze until someone actually has something to say about Max's current activities. His videos and the ethics around their production has been discussed to death. [Link]
Dr_Fell Member 545 Posts 6/08	Posted - Jun 22 2011 : 1:42AM ^ No, no, no! Let's continue to (One thing remains -- many of the activities for which Max was hectored are now 'best practices' in many a pr0n film years later.) [Link]
Asmodeus Lord of Lust az-mo-day-us 6338 Posts 10/01	Posted - Jun 22 2011 : 3:08AM According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons website, Paul Little aka Max Hardcore is still in custody. He's scheduled to be released July 19, 2011. After that, its anyone's guess what the future holds for the infamous Cowboy of Sodomy. Teenage girls watch out... Edited by - Asmodeus on 6/22/2011 3:16:51 AM [Link]
jizzyjay Member 914 Posts 10/07	Posted - Jun 22 2011 : 3:32AM BryanKleist wrote: I think what happened to Max Hardcore was, from a legal standpoint, complete and utter BULLSHIT. Having said that, boy, it really couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. The guy is a human anal wart. Guy fucking RUINED porn. I honestly can't watch any smut made after 1996 because of that scumbag. I hope he got a cell with the Tossed Salad Man. Click to expand Max didn't ruin porn,the people making porn today ruin porn.Just check out the thread called things you don't like about porn, or the other thread things that will ruin porn for you. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jun 22 2011 : 3:36AM ^ He may be finishing up his sentence under home confinement, under the supervision of the place listed on that website. It's too bad that our correctional system probably wouldn't be flexible enough to accommodate a reality TV series based on Max and Lindsey Lohan spending the summer under house arrest together. Kind of like The Odd Couple, but with speculums and a yellow sofa. [Link]
Asmodeus Lord of Lust az-mo-day-us 6338 Posts 10/01	Posted - Jun 22 2011 : 3:54AM Harri, you're prolly right. Max is being kept under a tight watch until the official release date in July as is standard procedure for many non-violent prisoners in federal custody. A friend of mine served time in the same prison as Max for firearms violations and he went through basically the same thing when it was time for him to be released. [Link]
Fernandez Deactivated User 781 Posts 12/08	Posted - Jul 17 2011 : 2:44PM Max could make some money directing. [Link]
The Edge Member Rock and Roll Stops the traffic! 91 Posts 2/10	Posted - Jul 18 2011 : 3:00AM I'm not going to post pro or con about Max here as it's been done to DEATH. What I will say is I hope he comes back to porn. Am I a fan of his work? Well, yes and no. I've seen some of his work, not lots, and some was genuinely arousing, and other aspects, no, I didn't like at all. I think the industry, whether they like him or not, should welcome him back on principle alone. He at least tried to beat an unfair charge and the industry and legal rights in this country suffered for his loss, not just him. He didn't (apparently) have the resources that John Stagliano had (and for the record, I'm THRILLED that he beat his charge, although I would have loved the victory to have come after a true hearing and not an early technicality, so jurors could realize how stupid the charges were). Let's remember one thing about Max and his practices back then. As other posters have stated, maybe he did go past a thin line on some sets, but there were plenty of others that did it too probably, and even some today, I'm sure. Maybe one can learn from their mistakes. I did think he helped push boundaries and if some people didn't like his content, well they didn't have to watch it. That line of thought remains today as I'm sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't like the porn that all of the ADT posters like, but that doesn't mean they get to take away that right. [Link]