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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 7:31AM
i agree with you, Rodney includes women that you are more likely to see every day & that makes his stuff alot more sexy. i get tired of the same old faces with perfect bodies and rehearsed responses to sex. a whole lot of faking going on, i'd rather enjoy more organic stuff.
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 9:57AM
^ +1 for Rodney. He gave us,albeit briefly, the luscious Jamie London.
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 2:38PM
Rodney Moore did put out some excellent products over the years and his style is unique. I know a lot of the girls he recruited were from the Seattle area and the Pacific Northwest in general. A lot of these girls seem to look alike and were pretty much very average in looks. He put out low budget films but the quality was often far better than the major studios produce.
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Posted - Aug 31 2011 : 3:30AM
Yeah Rodney and early Ed Powers were good for me. Once Ed started churning them out with "perfect pre-industry girls" and canned chatter it was less of a turn on. After 1999 or thereabouts Ed became the launching pad for starlets and they went into their encounters with him doing all the "fake porno shit" that i hate. But from maybe 1990-1998 or so I loved Ed's stuff as much as Rodney's because there was a little more of the "normal guy" gets the hot chick through intellect appeal. to me they are/were cut from the same cloth. For that matter the Homegrown Videos during the same time 1990-1999 or so were really hot and came across as authentic swinger experiences with people who genuinely like sex. Lots of normal looking and very hot women. Once it gets too "pornstarish" i'm honestly less interested.
It is commercially available, called the Joy Rider (Warning: The link shows guys using it.)
The wide angle lens is a big reason I like Rodney's product. He uses it to get more of the girls' complete body within the frame. Other directors (mis)use the wide angle lens as a magnifier, to make girls' asses look bigger.
I dont like max and find his products are disgusting. Only a piece of shit nohing more. And its bad the hear that, he left out th prison. i thinks he needs to be there for a long time . Ýts only my opinion. Ý will expalin that, before i want to say something about his defenders here ; 1 ) Max is creative , he changed porn etc.... Yeah what an invention , like an Edison or Grahm bell isnt it . Throat or skull fucking, what a type o good invention, fulfill the womans mouth and make her breathless. What an erotic and sexy thing. Peahhh. Ýt isnt a sex at all if you look this. Do anyone this things to his girlfireiend or wife ? Do yuo fuck yuor girl friends like max do ? This are totally forcefull. Gaging or vomiting isnt sexy at all. Everyone knows the feeling of nousea. Mans or womans can likes oral sex, or womans can do deeptroth if she have skill, but this is totally diffrent. Cant force her to make deepthroat (like in max or FA). its totally disgusting and not sex at all. Only giving pain (mentol or normal) to the performer. 2 ) Performers know what they live or they have controct etc .... http://clayrabeau.blogspot.com/2010/12/hard-city-indeed.html or the girls in documatry, or the other nwebie girls. This past to lines of porn al ot, you are not making contracts for bloody nose or eyes, or feeling nousea or vommiting. Ýts clear that some girls dont know what will happen them when they go there. Ýts clear that documantry send here is made for anti porn, but the scene is here real, or trauma that she live there its real too. Look what ClayraBeau writes this forum about Facial abuse. Ýt didnt diffret thing from max. Ý thinks its a clone of maxs idea.
Someone thinks girls are acting. Like you see its not, you cant act when yuo not breathe . Other experinces show this things too. seeks to dehumanize the models. The models get hurt for real. THe older posts here show the same aim for max. And Ýf yuo are taking newbie ones in and yuo are doing this things to the inexperinced girls , you are king of abuse , being it legal or illegal it dont changes this. 3) Ýf yuo dont like you dont watch it etc..... What will change ? is the things change when i ignore them? Will it be better ? This argument is totally pointless. 4) Why dont go police if they are tortured raped? Do you know how many of womans go to police after they raped ? Not a big one. How many woman contunýe their marriges when thay are beatenin by their husbands ? A lot. And thinks thatthere is a hooker who dont do anal sex. She goes a work a costumer do it with force to her. Do yuo think if she go to police there can be something?. How many of us will believe this is a rape or illegal thing. Same for porn workers. So this argument is totally pointless too. Ýf yuo ask my opnion they need to go to police anyway. Conclusion I dont know how many of one know good about history there , but ým good at it. From Roman times we have collesium and smaller arenas and stadiums. Peoples at this times goes there and watch. What dý yuo watch do yuo know? Glaidatör fights of course one of them. But one of them really dies there. Other stuff ? Slaves and convicts fight againts wild aniamls ( of course they dies), or concivts who have dead penalty come there naked (female or male) tortued and killed there. i can tell more but ist not necessary. Max or his followers can bring this old good days back ? This is the way that porn go. Ý dont want this. Mans and womans open a window and take a fresh air. in 2011 we are , our world build in democracy and human rights , and we are talking dehumanize the womans a fantasy or idea ? Cant yuo see how a sick idea is it ?
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Posted - Sep 4 2011 : 12:50PM
If you don't like it, don't watch it. No one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to watch it. I find it incredible that the same people who hate this guy, have watched so much of his material. Do as I say, Not as I do.
Ým not watching this guy didnt buy any of his products. "3) Ýf yuo dont like you dont watch it etc..... What will change ? is the things change when i ignore them? Will it be better ? This argument is totally pointless." Ý said. People like the say same things when they are defending their arguments. And i see the problem more common and serious. Edited by - BalabanPasa on 9/4/2011 1:21:31 PM Edited by - BalabanPasa on 9/4/2011 1:23:06 PM
Nothing needs to be changed! If you dont like it dont watch it PERIOD! If its available to anyone, who are you to say its wrong??????There is poeple here who abviously like it so stop being offensive to those that do like it!
I can say that again im not watching this shits. The problem is not the thing that i watch or not. Like is said this argumant is pointless. If yuo wanna say so much you can write again 100 times :) Like in scholl. Nothing changes i think A lot of things avalible to everyone you knoe. But we can say its wrong or good according to our decisions. And being legal not make the thisng true or wrong. Im not saying anything about who likes max or the others. And i dont think im offsive. I only see something is going wrong. There are some problems there. You can think its not. Its yuor decision.
I know that pink cross is a anti porn organization and Shelly describe herself as a anti porn crusader, anywhay i found this article is interesting and important ; Ex Porn Star Neesa Story ; In the worst scene and moment of my life, I was raped and verbally and mentally abused while making a video with Max Hardcore. It was the most horrible and degrading experience I ever had. I was in complete shock and horror. After that scene was shot, I got tested at AIM (Adult Industry Medical Clinic). I was horrified to find out that I was positive with Chlamydia/Gonorrhea in the throat. We didn't have vaginal or anal sex because my HIV test wasn't ready yet. So he insisted on an oral scene and right after that scene I tested positive for the two STD’s. I called Dr. Sharon Mitchell to let her know. She asked Max to come in and test. I'm sure she told him which girl, and what the diseases were, even before he came in. Of course he would take Zithromax before he got retested as Sharon wouldn't want to lose one of her biggest clients. They care about money. That’s it. Sharon Mitchell called me after he tested and called me a liar. "He didn't give it to you. His test came back negative". She said in a rude, ambivalent manner. This is the clinic that claims to keep us safe. It’s a joke. I left porn 3 ½ years ago because I just couldn’t do it anymore, especially after the rape. I found out about The Pink Cross Foundation at a booth at AVN. I think very highly of The Pink Cross team and Shelley Lubben. They have taught me important information about the industry that I should have known before I even got in. They treat me like I am human. They are very caring. Shelley sends me care packages often. And they are filled with love, information, great books.etc. It put tears in my eyes. I felt so loved. It had been a long time since someone loved me like that. She and the organization don’t force religion on anyone. I went to her and she treats me with love and respect. I like being around girls that are just like me - FORMER porn actresses. I am very thankful for Shelley’s team and all of their prayers. http://www.shelleylubben.com/ex-porn-star-neesa-story
i LOVE Neesa! max hardcore, just sounds like a total scumbag im quite sceptical of anti porn organisations as they seem like a scapegoat for people embarressed about their porn history BUT if this happened to Neesa, i hope she is feeling better about herself and in a better time in her life. seriously people like max are giving porn the worst name. its hard to get people to accept it as it is without short old men in ridiculous hats abusing women
What is especially bad about Neesa scene--and Rebecca Linares' for that matter--is how perfectly normal they seem within the canon of Max scenes. The girls don't particularly seem uncomfortable; yet both accused Max of rape (or essentially rape) in their scenes. In Neesa's youtube videos about the Max situation she seems pretty random and disjointed, but very credible. And Linares must have had several hundred scenes under her belt before she did her max scene; yet she still felt that she was assaulted. Yet in the context of all of Max's other scenes, he seemed to be "going easy on them." There are dozens of scenes with girls who never appeared in a scene before their scene with max, and never apparently in one afterwards... yet there they are, looking extremely uncomfortable, crying, drinking gallons of his piss, vomiting puke through their noses because their mouth is full of his cock, getting fisted by him, and more. You just have to wonder how the experience these girls went through has affected their lives afterwards. I think the great lesson that the folks at kink.com have provided is that you can have massively intense, sometimes violent, and always freaky sex, yet it is clearly consensual and enjoyed by all participants. Max had quite a few girls that seemed to be as into the lifestyle as he was (Layla, I'm looking at you); it's too bad he didn't just work with girls like Layla. That scene max did in the hotel room with the red bed spread with that girl (can't remember her name) is very very disturbing; she clearly tells him no several times; his response is to slap her. She cries continually throughout the whole scene. It's really pretty appalling and unnecessary when you've got freaks like Layla around.
you would think it will would be a lot easier to stick to working with wild women who like that sort of stuff not emply women who dont know what they are in for its not that hard, whoever they book through just specify to the agent only wanting wild kinky women. i have all the nessa videos i can find as i really like her and she is pretty damn tame so working max is exactly logical
This "Y" poster above reminds me of these sicko priests.... that go after all the gays and others, then you find out they watch/do even sicker shit themselves.... YOU DO WATCH MAX, obviously-you know more about Max than I do and I've seen maybe 7 or 8 of his movies. So you are a liar. What, were you doing research? Now mind your own fucking business and go preach with some christians, you really have no business on a porn site judging others. At present, this looks like simple trolling to me. Derailing a perfectly good thread. Plenty of people on this thread don't like Max or what he does-notice none of them lacked the manners in expressing opinions such that they riled up the rest of the board on this thread. And quit typing "Y" for "I" please, your posts are obnoxious enough without mixing in a foreign language. Either speak English or speak the other language, but don't mix them-that's just selfish.
Sorry for y thread. Im a newbie in this forum. And english is not my native language too. there is a i in our alphabet without point in it.The forum shows it as a y. It seeems bad i know , im not trying to do this. . Sorry for my spelling mistakes too. Im not a priest , no work with a priests. Yo can find priests sicko or not. It means nothing to me.Im a straight guy no gay, and dont watcing sicker things that yuo say. You can have info about a person so esaly via internet. Watching his all movies not necessary. i watched his video examples and some videos via tube sites. I dont know do i know more than yuo or not. Its means nothing too. And you have no right to call me liar ok. Dont be offensive. Im not judging people. I put some arguments here. If yuo dont like them put yuor counter argumants. But this is the main problem that i see you have no argument for defending. About christin thing, Im not a christian. FRom the start of thread there are some bad argumants about max and his works. Mys are one of them. About trolling yuor message is more trolling than mys.
You just proved yourself a liar banana, you first denied seeing any Max, now you admit you watched him on the internet. Your tastes in sex are sick too, so we're even. Now... why are you here if it's not to troll and derail threads?
Ahh more logic please. I think its not hard. I said im not watching his films. Thats true. And i said that too i watched some via tube sites for gain info. and didnt buy any of his stuff. Its a diffrence between one time doing and regular doing. Look i find kat yuoung very cute. I watched her before and plannig to watch in future too. I heard max, watched it and will not planning it watch it agian or didint watched after it. Its easy to understand i thinks. Its not a high mathematics :) And again my watching or not changes nothing at all. And i know that yuo have nothing about my tastes about sex. You dont know anything about me at all. :) Attacking me changes nothing , attack my ideas instead of it. :) "I dont know how many of one know good about history there , but im good at it. From Roman times we have collesium and smaller arenas and stadiums. Peoples at this times goes there and watch. What they watch do yuo know? Glaidatör fights of course one of them. But one of the fighters really dies there. Other stuff ? Slaves and convicts fight againts wild aniamls ( of course they dies), or concivts who have dead penalty come there naked (female or male) tortued and killed there. i can tell more but ist not necessary.Its really sick stuff. Max or his followers (im saying about producers not watchers ) can bring this old good days back ? This is the way that porn go. I dont want this. "
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Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 6:47AM
seedfeeder & bobbitos, thank you for getting this thread back where its 'sposed to be. Now what has anyone heard about Max and when does he start working again?
I wonder if both 1) Max is physically up for it anymore - he's getting pretty old, and 2) if he's mentally up for it anymore, starting back the old business and getting ready for the next visit from the Morality Police. Personally I hope he can get his mojo back together, and maybe move his operations to Europe to avoid US obscenity charges - but it would be understandable if he just said "the hell with it all" and hung up his cowboy hat for good.
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Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 9:04PM
Yes indeed, I mentioned this early in this thread on Max or at least on some Max discussion. Brazil is a huge country with beautiful women. The supply of willing, cute girls is endless. And he will not have to deal with the witch hunt authorities we have in the States. Max has filmed there. He may not want to deal with all the hassles of starting up again but if he chose to do so, Brazil is where he would likely go. It is cheaper than Europe and the government there would not hassle him.
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Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 4:15AM
pringles thanks for that video! he seemed humbled but not broken by the experience, nice to see him say thanks and promote the actress interviewing him. if he retires he has already made his mark & the legal decision might be a landmark and hopefully a force for galvanizing resistance against conservative legislating-personal morality-from-the-bench judges that plague our country.
I really hope MAX doesnt retire! what will us hardcore fans do? All them other producers are just wanna be'S. aLL That other fake hardcore stuff is garbage.
Er - no, he doesn't say what he filmed was rape - please don't put words in the guy's mouth when we can all read the interview. I've seen many, many Max films - European uncencored versions - and I can't remember any where the scene includes tying up girls.
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Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 10:58AM
With all due respect to Max Hardcore, what he is basically saying in that article is that the whole ordeal broke him mentally as well as financially, and he has now been trained to toe the line and obey commands. I guess it's understandable that would happen to him after being forced to spend four years in prison on a trumped-up charge. But it's still really sad.
I'm so glad that John Stagliano didn't agree with this viewpoint.
Nobody is putting words in Max's mouth. This what he actually says in the interview. “Just don’t do it,” he says. “No matter what kind of disclaimer you put on the video, after you tie up and rape a girl, it’s too late because a jury is going to watch it and convict. I can pretty much guarantee it.” Wise words Max.
Well, you have to look at it this way. Max's words are the result of the kind of coercion none of his costars were ever exposed to. As far as I know, he never threatened to throw any of them in a cage for four years if they didn't do his movie. Of course he's gonna want to get on with his life. He got off easy and he knows it. I wouldn't be much surprised if they made a deal with him to let him out early if he'd just say whatever they wanted him to say.
I guess I just imagined he spent more than 30 months in prison (And that wasn't even close to what the prosecutor wanted). You don't call that coercion? I'll tell you what I think. I think the girls who worked for Max did so of their own accord. Even if some of them didn't have a clue who he was, they should have educated themselves. I think if someone puts you in prison for 3 years for making movies they're basically telling you that you'd best change your attitude. Is it any surprise he doesn't still think he's untouchable? Max overestimated the intelligence of the American people and their reverence for the fundamental principles of freedom (Chiefly choice and speech), apparently. That is what he's basically saying. If you make porn movies with simulated rape scenes, you can put any disclaimer you want on it and a jury of idiots will always see real rape if they're prejudiced about it and that's how they choose to interpret it.
Edited by - randomprecision on 12/11/2011 5:34:18 AM